Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi

Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't 
escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the 
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.


What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head 
to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.


The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was 
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years 
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new 
insight from their perspective.
Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point 
is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.


From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I 
really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you 
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, 
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers 
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression 
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the 
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank 
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard 
Switch products on display.


The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a 
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)

But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to 
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.


Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip 
to Daytona, that is :)


A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
(We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business 
wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read 
it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)

Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
Email me to join in.

Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Tom.
I'm very interested in hearing  any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have
time to post to the members list I'm sure I  wouldn't be alone in my
interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in
Santa Clara.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California


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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON


Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't

escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the 
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.

What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head

to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.

The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was 
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years 
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new 
insight from their perspective.
Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point

is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.

From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I 
really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you 
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, 
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers 
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression 
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the 
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank 
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard 
Switch products on display.

The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a 
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)
But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to 
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.

Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip 
to Daytona, that is :)

 A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
 (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business 
 wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read 
 it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)
 Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
 Email me to join in.

 Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

 Regards,

 Peter Radizeski
 RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
 We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE

2007-05-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves

If you use openwrt you can get the meshing back. There are products
that have the same mesh (olsr) and are certified.

On 5/30/07, John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cisco AP1242's are certified, and can put out 20 dB. They can be used
with the Cisco 21 dB dish. In the config menu, there is a place to tell
it what kind of an antenna is attached.

John


David E. Smith wrote:
 Ralph wrote:

 Then we could actually run Mikrotik on an FCC approved platform!


 I thought certification had to be acquired for a complete package,
 hardware AND software. Have I misunderstood?

 I haven't (yet) found specifications on the transmit power of the AR2316
 single-chip-AP, but most Atheros gear can be configured to run at up to
 24dBm or so. Meanwhile, according to Ubiquiti's spec sheet, the antenna
 in this unit has 18dBm gain. If you set the software to use the maximum
 power the card supports, you're probably over the legal EIRP limit.

 Wouldn't a hardware/software combination that will let you exceed power
 limits (because it doesn't know what kind of antenna you're using, so it
 can't even pop up a warning) be a Bad Thing?

 David Smith
 MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE

2007-05-31 Thread Edward H. Winters
here's the toolchain
http://meraki.net/linux

Ed

On Thu, 31 May 2007 01:32:20 -0700
Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you use openwrt you can get the meshing back. There are products
 that have the same mesh (olsr) and are certified.
 
 On 5/30/07, John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cisco AP1242's are certified, and can put out 20 dB. They can be used
  with the Cisco 21 dB dish. In the config menu, there is a place to tell
  it what kind of an antenna is attached.
 
  John
 
 
  David E. Smith wrote:
   Ralph wrote:
  
   Then we could actually run Mikrotik on an FCC approved platform!
  
  
   I thought certification had to be acquired for a complete package,
   hardware AND software. Have I misunderstood?
  
   I haven't (yet) found specifications on the transmit power of the AR2316
   single-chip-AP, but most Atheros gear can be configured to run at up to
   24dBm or so. Meanwhile, according to Ubiquiti's spec sheet, the antenna
   in this unit has 18dBm gain. If you set the software to use the maximum
   power the card supports, you're probably over the legal EIRP limit.
  
   Wouldn't a hardware/software combination that will let you exceed power
   limits (because it doesn't know what kind of antenna you're using, so it
   can't even pop up a warning) be a Bad Thing?
  
   David Smith
   MVN.net
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE

2007-05-31 Thread Edward H. Winters
this explains it fairly well. 
http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Meraki/Mini

Ed

On Wed, 30 May 2007 19:38:08 -0700
CHUCK  PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dylan, How do you go about doing that? Using their back end is our biggest
 complaint, but we can see a use for them if we can get around their back
 end.
 Have you done this?  
 Do you use the advertised cable from them?
  
 
 
 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE
 
 
 On 5/30/07, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'd also like to see more on this mesh software thay are talking
  about.  We have a location that is suited for mesh, but haven't heard 
  much feedback on
  the Wili box mesh from Deliberant or the one from Tranzeo.  All the big
  boys
  (Tropos, Moto, Belair, Strix, etc) are way too overpriced for the small
  WISP. The little Meraki units seem promising but are wimpy in power and
  you
  have to use their backend.
 
 
 The Meraki units are wimpy (higher powered versions may yet come), but you
 don't have to use their dashboard - you can flash them with DD-WRT or
 whatever.
 
 Best,
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Chuck,

Talking about the ISP-CEO session publicly is a no no. Even on the WISPA 
Members list.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

Tom.
I'm very interested in hearing  any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have
time to post to the members list I'm sure I  wouldn't be alone in my
interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in
Santa Clara.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California



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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON


Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't

escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the 
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.


What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head

to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.

The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was 
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years 
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new 
insight from their perspective.

Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point

is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.

From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I 
really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you 
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, 
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers 
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression 
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the 
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank 
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard 
Switch products on display.


The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a 
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)

But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to 
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.


Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


  
I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip 
to Daytona, that is :)


A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
(We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business 
wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read 
it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)

Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
Email me to join in.

Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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[WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Smith, Rick
anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] QuickMounts

2007-05-31 Thread Bob Moldashel

JohnnyO wrote:
Anyone ever use these ? http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html 


JohnnyO
  

Put up a heavy duty non pen. Those things cost a bundle.

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RE: [WISPA] QuickMounts

2007-05-31 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
What about using one of these...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4252323

Fred Sanford could probably find one of these from his neighbor :)




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JohnnyO wrote:
 Anyone ever use these ?
http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html 

 JohnnyO
   
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Peter R.

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


My WOW's were a little different:
- my session was full (SRO) so that was a WOW.
- The CEO Exchange was kind of a WOW
- the WISPA spectrum meeting was a WOW
- how many people I knew there was a WOW

I had fun - and I had a great dinner and Christini's :)

Peter @ RAD-INFO, In.c

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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Charles Wu
Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

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Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Gino Villarini
I also saw a new and revamped Atlas PTP replacement

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Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

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anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design

2007-05-31 Thread Charles Wu
FWIW, I was chatting w/ John Seaman from Trango last week and he made an
offhand remark that the WiMAX chip-set they were trying to implement /
test didn't work very well (latency / throughput / interference issues)

Not exactly sure, but I believe they were looking at the Wavesat chipset

-Charles 


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GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design

In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz.  But
how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point.  
Everything is a trade off.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


Zack Kneisley wrote:
 I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like 
 WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More 
 power? better throughput? Different modulation?

 I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough.

 Zack

 On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237

 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for 
 Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide

 DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat 
 (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004  
 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its

 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design 
 is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly 
 bring WiMAX equipment to market.

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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Travis Johnson
I'd love to... but it seems they aren't real excited about trying a 30 
mile link with 18ghz. ;)


Travis
Microserv

Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

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anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design

2007-05-31 Thread Gino Villarini
So whats the plan now for trango ? .. I think they should move to
atheros based soc solutions ... 

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5.8GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design

FWIW, I was chatting w/ John Seaman from Trango last week and he made an
offhand remark that the WiMAX chip-set they were trying to implement /
test didn't work very well (latency / throughput / interference issues)

Not exactly sure, but I believe they were looking at the Wavesat chipset

-Charles 


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In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz.  But
how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point.  
Everything is a trade off.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


Zack Kneisley wrote:
 I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like 
 WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More 
 power? better throughput? Different modulation?

 I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough.

 Zack

 On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237

 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for 
 Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide

 DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat 
 (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004  
 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its

 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design 
 is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly 
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Gotta go to the show for that stuff Chucky!
grin
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Tom.
I'm very interested in hearing  any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have
time to post to the members list I'm sure I  wouldn't be alone in my
interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in
Santa Clara.

Chuck Profito
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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to Rural Central California


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Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't

escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.

What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head

to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.

The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new
insight from their perspective.
Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point

is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.


From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I

really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free,
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard
Switch products on display.

The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)
But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.

Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON



I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip
to Daytona, that is :)

A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
(We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business
wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read
it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)
Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
Email me to join in.

Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
I forgot to mention the obvious, The WISPA meeting. I felt it went very 
well, and the room was pact.
My hats go off to Jon Scrivner and and Sponsors Frank Muto and BearHill for 
putting togeather such a successful event.

More so, thanks to the members taking the time to be a part of it.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON



Tom DeReggi wrote:


Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


My WOW's were a little different:
- my session was full (SRO) so that was a WOW.
- The CEO Exchange was kind of a WOW
- the WISPA spectrum meeting was a WOW
- how many people I knew there was a WOW

I had fun - and I had a great dinner and Christini's :)

Peter @ RAD-INFO, In.c

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RE: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Oops, I have that CRS ya know.  See you in October

Chuck Profito
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Gotta go to the show for that stuff Chucky!
grin
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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON


Tom.
I'm very interested in hearing  any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have
time to post to the members list I'm sure I  wouldn't be alone in my
interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in
Santa Clara.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California


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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON


Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't

escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.

What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head

to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.

The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new
insight from their perspective.
Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point

is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.

From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I
really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free,
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard
Switch products on display.

The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)
But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.

Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip
to Daytona, that is :)

 A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
 (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business
 wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read
 it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)
 Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
 Email me to join in.

 Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

 Regards,

 Peter Radizeski
 RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
 We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi

As for Trango Giga...

Looks like a very exciting product, and hopefully they'll have an exciting 
price to go with it.
As for testing, I'm planning on it.  There is no shortage of willing beta 
testers. The hard part is paying for it :-)
I think Trango's product is really going to put the preasure on hard to 
competitors like DragonWave.


I'd like to bring up the point that Dragon Waves' ALL OUTDOOR Horizon 
product gives it a big advantage for WISPs with limited indoor colocation 
options.  Expecially in Urban areas where Management companies try and 
charge for every closet (Rack) Space they can charge for.  With only needing 
indoor POE, it makes it much easier to just replace existing 5.8G gear with 
little effort, and NO renegotiation with Property owners.


Of course there is also benefits of combo indoor/outdoor unit models.

As for Wimax 5.8Ghz Sector models I think that is a thing of the past at 
this stage of the industry, atleast in Urban areas.  Customers are expecting 
higher expectations from their provider, that PtMP may not be able to 
deliver long term.  The future is about PtP last mile, and small channel 
sizes to enable a larger number of links.  What they need to do is get the 
Atlas PtP down under $1000, with small channel size support.  PTP is the 
only way to survive the noise floor, in most of Urban America today. PtMP 
was a transition technology, that WiMax was 5 years to late to the party. 
Due to new PTP trends, Many buildings may be left unserved, but in favor or 
being able to better serve the ones that have committed already to the 
technology first.  I have a lot of respect for the Atlas PTP line, and it 
was well priced for Backhaul purposes, however 5.8Ghz backhaul is also 
starting to become a thing of the past, as new breed Licensed technology 
replaces it.  With Mikrotik/StarOS and Certified varients such as Deliberant 
or Tranzeo, there is no longer the need to pay top dollar for Last Mile PtP 
nor the reason to justify PTP for just Backhaul anymore.  PTP is becomming a 
low cost last mile solution today.  As for WImax/PtP, is there really 
anything someone can offer more than what Alvarion already offers in their 
Commnet program? I'd argue, not much.  Why build a new product to compete 
agaisnt these tried and true technologies?  Again, I'm not saying a new PtMP 
WimAx product won't be embraced, I'm jsut saying the market is changing, and 
what we need today is rock bottom low cost High quality Last Mile PTPs, and 
reasonable cost Solid as a rock super high performance Backhaul.


Trango Gets it, which is why they are jumping right to the future, and 
concentrating on making a best of breed Licensed Backhaul Product.
Now whether the Atlas PtP price drops, that is uncertain.  I'd like to see 
it happen.


Just my 2 cents and predictions.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

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Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread George Rogato

Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment.

Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Check manufacturers in the E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  That should do what you 
need, and be damn quick at it.



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- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in 
any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment.

Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Visio Icons

2007-05-31 Thread Zack Kneisley

Netzoom doesn't have them,
http://www.altimatech.com/home/home.asp?alpha=M
they would make them if you used (or know someone) their software.

Z

On 5/30/07, Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Anyone seen any VISIO icons for Mikrotik? I am working on some network
diagrams for various people and would like to have some mikrotik icons if
possible.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles 
with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the 
beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it really is more 
economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we 
won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last 
past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it 
when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for 
ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/



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RE: [WISPA] Nice CPE

2007-05-31 Thread tonylist
I was just on there site and could not find any data about FCC nor could I
find this on the FCC search, can anyone provide a URL for this??

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I saw Deliberent's 533Mhz product at ISPCON.
Its a pretty sweet OEM product.  Finally an outdoor enclosure with large
enough space inside to work with, but not to large.
Pretty reasonably priced for a certified product.

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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So then all you have is a 60 mW AP that is not legal to use.
If we wanted to do that, we could buy Linksys WRT54G for $24.99 and get the
same features plus more power.

Its too bad that Meraki is missing our market, but remember that their
original intent is to circumvent us (and wired ISPs too) by facilitating a
mesh that they control made up of people sharing connections that they get
from us!

We should probably be supporting people like Tranzeo and Deliberant, as they
try to give us a reasonably priced mesh.

Ralph


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No, I haven't done this myself. But google e.g. dd-wrt meraki.

Of course, mesh features being part of the firmware and not the radio
itself, you will lose those in flashing to dd-wrt or whatever.

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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Sam,

It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper 
network. As I understand it, the original purpose of  the USF was to 
help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there 
to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves 
there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are 
too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in these 
areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of their 
telephone network in Northern New England?


It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the 
fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I 
know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that 
is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain the 
copper.


If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 
miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting 
off the beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it really is 
more economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so 
we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant 
will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and 
operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a 
huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as 
well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/





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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer 
if they are allowed to pull out of those areas.  A very large amount of 
money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are 
available in the hinterlands.


How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their 
Northern New England customers?  I would be very willing to bet that it 
is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to 
those customers.


Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the 
first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice 
to every home regardless of its economic viability.  Right or wrong, 
that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this 
long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are 
trying to weasel their way out of it.


However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers 
are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Sam,

It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper 
network. As I understand it, the original purpose of  the USF was to 
help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there 
to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves 
there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are 
too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in 
these areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of 
their telephone network in Northern New England?


It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the 
fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I 
know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that 
is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain 
the copper.


If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 
miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention 
getting off the beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it 
really is more economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our 
landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I 
don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem 
is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few 
subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and 
Verizon. And an important social issue as well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/







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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread George Rogato

Sam,

I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it 
might be good for list discussion.


George




Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles 
with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the 
beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it really is more 
economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we 
won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will 
last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating 
it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge 
problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/





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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
Quite honestly, if that article is a sampling of Evslin's grasp of 
networking, he is damned lucky he was a co-founder of ATT and ITXC 
because his thought process is so short sighted it is scary.


For those that haven't read the short article he is saying that since 
landline phones have dropped from 96% to 94% between 98 and 03 then 
surely the other 94% will be going in the next 5 years.  And what pray 
tell does he suggest will replace this copper?  Why it will be 
WiFi-enabled mobile phones like the ones T-Mobile is rolling out.  So 
you will be using VOIP enabled WiFi handsets connected to wireless 
hotspots in our homes.


Seems to me he has missed one key ingredient...

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Sam,

I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it 
might be good for list discussion.


George




Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 
miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention 
getting off the beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it 
really is more economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our 
landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I 
don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem 
is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few 
subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and 
Verizon. And an important social issue as well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/







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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Erskine

Sam Tetherow wrote:


Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 
miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention 
getting off the beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it 
really is more economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless



Naw.  It is almost never cheaper to string copper than to put up towers. 
 It is just that existing copper is cheaper than any alternative.


In the panhandle of Oklahoma my grandfather ran five miles of copper on 
poles ten feet off the ground to get to his home.  That copper was in 
place till 1960 when the ILEC's decided they could make a profit by 
replacing it.


That economy is still in play.

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