[WISPA] Macquarie Buys U.S. Wireless Tower Company

2007-07-02 Thread Frank Muto

Macquarie Buys U.S. Wireless Tower Company
Shu-Ching Jean Chen, 07.02.07, 2:49 AM ET

HONG KONG -
Macquarie, Australia's largest investment bank, is making inroads into the
large yet underdeveloped wireless telecom infrastructure market in the U.S.,
agreeing to buy the wireless tower operator Global Tower Group for 1.7
billion Australian dollars ($1.43 billion) from Blackstone Group.

Since its founding in 2003 by real estate and telecom entrepreneur Marc C.
Ganzi, Global Tower has built a portfolio of 2,500 signal-relay towers and
4,600 rooftop sites across the U.S. and Puerto Rico, securing long-term
leases from property owners. Some 86.5% of its leases are for longer than 15
years and 89% are unburdened by complicated revenues-sharing arrangements.

The U.S. mobile telecom industry's Big Four - T-Mobile from Deutsche
Telekom, Verizon, Sprint Nextel and ATT - will account for about 63% of
Global Tower's revenue following the completion of ATT's acquisition of
Dobson Communications, a major Global Tower customer.

With a relatively low rate of adoption of advanced wireless services such as
3G, Wi-Fi and Wimax, the U.S. is seen as having potential to be a
high-growth market. The U.S. has a penetration rate of 77% for these
services, behind the U.K.'s 117%, Sweden's 110%, Taiwan's 102%, Australia's
95% and Japan's 78%.

Through this acquisition, Macquarie Communications Group has gained a
timely position in a familiar industry in the attractive U.S. market, said
Scott Davies, CEO of Macquarie Communications.

Macquarie Infrastructure Partners will hold 56.2% of Global Tower and
Macquarie Communications Infrastructure Group will take 28.7%.

Davies added that Global Tower would complement with its existing North
American assets bases of satellite dish facilities in Los Angeles and
Washington operated by its subsidiary Arquiva, a British wireless telecom
services provider of broadcast towers, teleports, and wireless
infrastructure.

There are 115,000 wireless towers in the U.S. operated by a disparate range
of companies, but 45% are now in the hands of three companies: Global Tower
and its rivals Crown Castle International and SBA Communications, according
to Macquarie.

The weighted average remaining ground lease term in the industry is a
staggering 24 years. Such long lease terms pose high entry barriers to new
entrants who do not go in via acquisitions.

The acquisition, when completed, would account for a small 3% share of
Macquarie Communications' EBITDA and would not affect its existing dividend
distribution guidance of about 10% growth for fiscal years of 2008 and 2009
and between 5% and 10% for 2010.



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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread David E. Smith
Brad Belton wrote:
 So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
 including tax and transfer switch?

Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

2007-07-02 Thread Ralph
Before drilling ANY hole in a tower leg, I would check with the
manufacturer.  Maybe a better option is to remove a bolt if possible, but
will probably not be unless it is your lucky day.

Ralph


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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

fyi
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: jeremy-ca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Blake M [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill 
Winkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT


 First of all, ANY tower that is installed by burying a section should be
 suspect UNLESS you are absolutely sure that the legs have plenty of
 drainage.

 Drilling a small hole in the legs a few inches above ground can give you 
 an
 idea if there is standing water. If the water is clear then it is probably
 safe; if rusty then walk away.

 If its a dry hole at that level then snake some cotton string down the 
 hole.
 If it comes back wet and rusty then Id also suggest not climbing.

 New tower construction should always use a base plate and pier pin if the
 only support is guy wires. If house bracketed then a minimum of 2 brackets
 is required. The base should be a standard base plate but with one hole at
 each corner and secured to the concrete with 3/4  J bolts.

 An existing tower that was installed without drainage MAY have its life
 extended by drilling those small holes I mentioned. Then with ~ 3/16 
 tubing
 inserted down to the bottom regularly pump out any water. There are ways 
 to
 derust the legs and seal against further rust but its an iffy proposition
 when you cant tell the extent of the damage.

 Carl
 KM1H




 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Winkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Blake M [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT


 This information is all well and good ... it rings with a bell of
 caution ... BUT , how do you know .. 
 In this case the climber felt all was well until the tower came down
 with him on it .. but now how in the world do you test and determine
 all is OK before you climb.?? Or what steps do you use to protect
 your self ...
 Certainly the professional tower people who partake in this forum
 will have a degree of in site for us .. but it needs to be
 discussed.!!! We've got guys here with 5-10-20 plus years old towers
 What is the answer??

 -Bill

 At 10:05 PM 6/26/2007, Blake M wrote:

If I had a nickel for every time somebody has told me this line!!

In my experience, what this really means is:

This is a hack-job install, but I really need to make you believe it's 
OK
or else you're going to bolt on me and I'm going to have to fork out 
major
coin for a crane.

Simple psych 101 If you have a pretty girlfriend, you wouldn't have 
to
walk around telling people how pretty she is, now, would you?  ;-)

Be safe

73,
Blake N4GI



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  The owner told me that he and his Brother Both men about 230 pounds 
 each
had been on the tower recently
at the same time and that it was strong as an ox.


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RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread Ralph
We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

Brad Belton wrote:
 So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
 including tax and transfer switch?

Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net

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RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread Brad Belton
David,

Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator.  After
poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across the
$1959.00 7kW LP  Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer
switch and $40 check discount.

I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's
(500VA and greater) would be happy with it.  grin


Ralph,

Kudos on a great score at Home Depot!  Gotta love a motivated big box
manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU.


Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:33 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

Brad Belton wrote:
 So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
 including tax and transfer switch?

Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net

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RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread Justin S. Wilson
Talk with JohnnyO. He has some industrial grade generators with ultra low
hours, low rpm running, etc. They put the Home Depot ones to shame and
probably not that much more.

Justin

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

David,

Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator.  After
poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across the
$1959.00 7kW LP  Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer
switch and $40 check discount.

I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's
(500VA and greater) would be happy with it.  grin


Ralph,

Kudos on a great score at Home Depot!  Gotta love a motivated big box
manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU.


Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:33 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

Brad Belton wrote:
 So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
 including tax and transfer switch?

Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread JohnnyO

Hey Brad - Being George don't wanna call me You call me LOL

JohnnyO
337-764-5953

ps. call me after 5pm today .. I may have something you may 
want...maybe :)



- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator


David,

Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator.  After
poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across the
$1959.00 7kW LP  Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer
switch and $40 check discount.

I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's
(500VA and greater) would be happy with it.  grin


Ralph,

Kudos on a great score at Home Depot!  Gotta love a motivated big box
manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU.


Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:33 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

Brad Belton wrote:

So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
including tax and transfer switch?


Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net

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RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread Justin S. Wilson
You could always buy a Toyota Prius and use it as a generator:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Toyota-Prius-As-a-Backup-Generator



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[WISPA] ATT Buys Rural Wireless Provider - Dobson

2007-07-02 Thread Frank Muto

AP

Shares of Dobson Communications Corp. were on pace to open at an all-time 
high Monday after ATT Inc. agreed to buy the rural wireless provider for 
$2.8 billion.


ATT said Friday it will pay $13 per share for Dobson, adding 1.7 million 
subscribers to its network of 62 million. Dobson shares closed at $11.11 
Friday, making ATT's offer a 17-percent premium. The stock rose $1.44, or 
13 percent, to $12.55 in premarket electronic trading.


Analyst Mike McCormack of Bear Stearns approved of the deal.

Though the acquisition will have limited financial impact on ATT, we 
believe the acquisition makes strategic sense given the reasonable valuation 
and lack of network overlap, he said.


JPMorgan analyst Thomas J. Lee said shares of other rural carriers, 
including Rural Cellular Corp., SunCom Wireless Holdings Inc. and Centennial 
Communications Corp., would rise on the news.


ATT shares rose 15 cents to $41.65 premarket, up from Friday's close at 
$41.50.


Dobson shares reached an all-time high of $11.34 Thursday





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[WISPA] MobilePro sells CLEC

2007-07-02 Thread Peter R.

MobilePro Signs Definitive Agreement to Sell CLEC Division
Monday July 2, 6:00 am ET


$30 Million Price Would Enable Full Retirement of Cornell Capital 
Obligations at Closing


BETHESDA, Md., July 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- MobilePro Corp., 
announced today that it has signed a definitive agreement to sell its 
CLEC Division in a transaction valued at $30 million to United Systems 
Access Telecom, Inc., which does business as USA Telephone 
(www.savewithusa.com http://www.savewithusa.com). The sale will 
include cash of $21.9 million and $8.1 million in convertible preferred 
stock in United Systems Access paid in two tranches.


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070702/clm039.html?.v=85

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[WISPA] 700 MHz war: Frontline challenges VZ

2007-07-02 Thread Peter R.

700 MHz war: Frontline challenges Verizon while ATT mulls auction plans

By Jeffrey Silva
Story posted: June 29, 2007

http://www.rcrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070629/FREE/70628013/1005/allnews

The 700 MHz debate has suddenly turned both interesting and nasty in the 
lead-up to next month’s expected ruling by the Federal Communications 
Commission on auction rules.


An ATT Inc. official disclosed the top mobile-phone operator is mulling 
a play for a national commercial-public safety broadband license at the 
upcoming 700 MHz auction, while Northrop Grumman Corp. told the FCC an 
open-access shared network—along the lines proposed by Frontline 
Wireless L.L.C.—would not compromise first-responder communications.


Meantime, Criterion Economics L.L.C., the firm that used industry 
funding to blast Cyren Call Communications Corp.’s public-safety 
proposal and, more recently, universal service fund support for rural 
wireless buildout, contributed to a Washington Post column sharply 
criticizing the Frontline plan. That was followed today by the issuance 
of new Criterion study—funded by Verizon Communications Inc.—predicting 
public-safety agencies may have to cough up $9 billion over a six-year 
period to the winning bidder of a national commercial-first responder 
license. The one-two punch prompted Reed Hundt, vice chairman of 
Frontline and a former FCC chairman, to challenge Verizon’s head honcho 
to debate the matter before federal regulators.


CTIA, the national association representing the mobile-phone industry, 
has argued before the Federal Communications Commission that a 
public-private licensing approach—especially one based on a wholesale 
model with various conditions attached—would scare off bidders to the 
benefit of Frontline and detriment of the U.S. Treasury.


Congressional budget experts have said the government could generate up 
to $15 billion from the auction of 60 megahertz at 700 MHz later this 
year. Frontline, a startup backed by Silicon Valley investors, industry 
veterans and former telecom policymakers, has proposed a dual-use 
network in which first responders would have priority access to shared 
commercial and public-safety spectrum in the 700 MHz band.


In a story posted on the Center for Public Integrity’s Web site, ATT 
Senior VP Robert Quinn Jr. said a hybrid nationwide wholesale network is 
not out of the question for his company. “It's a different business 
model for us, but one that we'd be looking at,” Quinn said. “If, in the 
end, that spectrum is attached to public safety, and for example there's 
a wholesale requirement, we'll take a look at it.


ATT did not dispute the veracity of the quotes, but nonetheless 
criticized the story.


The post does not accurately reflect the position of ATT. Specifically 
regarding the issue of ‘open-access requirements,’ our position has not 
changed. As we've stated on the record at the FCC, mandated 
‘open-access’ conditions on licenses in the 700 MHz band should be 
rejected,” an ATT spokesman said. “Further, we need to see the specific 
rules the FCC adopts for the auction before determining our level of 
participation.”


FreedomWorks said markets, not the FCC, should pick winners and losers. 
FreedomWorks, an advocacy group chaired by former House majority leader 
Dick Armey (R-Texas), publicized the Criterion analysis of Frontline’s 
proposal,


“The Frontline proposal is a significant departure from the current 
auction system that has allowed market forces to efficiently allocate 
spectrum resources,” said Wayne Brough, chief economist at FreedomWorks. 
“Not only does this proposal take important questions about resource 
allocation out of the marketplace, but it also leaves important 
questions about financial viability unanswered. The spectrum auctions, 
by and large, have been a huge success that captures market forces when 
allocating important and scarce resources. The Frontline proposal is a 
step backwards that introduces new regulations on spectrum without any 
measure of financial viability. Due diligence is especially important 
when taxpayers may be left holding the bag.”


Internet companies, consumer advocates, pro-net neutrality interest 
groups and throngs of citizens aligned with large political 
organizations have backed in varying degrees Frontline's plan. Public 
safety backs a nationwide commercial-public safety network at 700 MHz, 
but has not specifically endorsed Frontline's plan. Earlier this month, 
first responder groups incorporated a non-profit Public Safety Spectrum 
Trust in Washington, D.C. The new entity could contract Cyren Call or 
another party to serve as its agent in negotiations with a future 700 
MHz commercial-public safety licensee.


Frontline said its critics have effectively legitimized its efforts to 
have the FCC establish a regulatory framework addressing broadband needs 
of public safety and consumers alike. Now the firm wants to debate the 
wireless 

[WISPA] Frontline Enlists Auctions Experts To Back E-Block Plan

2007-07-02 Thread Peter R.

http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/24041.html

A trio of auction experts says Frontline Wireless' proposed E Block not 
only will increase social welfare, but will enhance revenue for the 
upcoming 700 MHz auction (/TelecomWeb news break/, June 5).


Peter Cramton, Andrzej Skrzypacz and Robert Wilson authored the 
analysis, sent by Frontline Wireless earlier today to the Federal 
Communications Commission, that says in part that the high foreclosure 
value of the 700 MHz spectrum to the nation's two largest wireless 
carriers, Verizon http://www.telecomweb.com/search/?query=Verizon and 
ATT, both of which inherited 800 MHz cellular licenses from an era in 
which licenses, were awarded for free rather than sold at auction.


The reason that limiting participation can increase revenues and social 
welfare is simple: incumbents have profits to protect and entrants 
realize this, so rationally the potential entrants stay away from the 
auction because the high costs of participating outweigh the low odds 
that they will win, the analysis states. Thus the incumbents win in 
two ways: they protect their profits and they get the new licenses for 
scarce spectrum at low prices.


The report also notes the E Block proposal increases social welfare and 
likely auction revenues:


Verizon http://www.telecomweb.com/search/?query=Verizon and ATT earn 
substantial scarcity rents from holding nearly all of the original low 
frequency cellular licenses, which gives them operational and quality 
advantages reflected in their prices and profits.


The 700 MHz spectrum has high foreclosure value to Verizon and ATT, 
separate from the true economic value of building and operating a 
network. Market entry by new 700 MHz bidders threatens their incumbent 
position, which they will defend and which they have the capital to do.


The high foreclosure value to Verizon and ATT deters new entrants from 
participating in the auction, reducing bidder competition and driving 
down auction revenues. New entrants rationally stay away from an auction 
when the costs of participating outweigh expected profits.


An open access, wholesale E Block, combined with bidding credits, will 
increase auction revenues. These rules draw new entrants into the 
auction to compete with the incumbent bidders, creating greater bidder 
competition and causing winning bids to reflect the economic value of 
the spectrum.


Secondary use of the public safety 
http://www.telecomweb.com/search/?query=public%20safety spectrum 
during non-emergency times effectively increases the quantity of 
spectrum auctioned, increasing the value for the E Block winner.


Guaranteed access to nationwide coverage increases value of other blocks 
to small and regional carriers.


According to Frontline, its proposed E Block - encompassing a limited 
slice of spectrum at 700 MHz - would require the construction of a 
nationwide, interoperable wireless broadband network for public safety 
http://www.telecomweb.com/search/?query=public%20safety, at no cost to 
taxpayers but at the willing expense of the license-holder as a 
condition of the license. The E Block proposal also requires that this 
wireless broadband network be open to competition and innovation, 
including open to any kind of customer and all handsets and devices that 
do not harm the network.


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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread George Rogato

I called and got voice mail for someone named Mike?


JohnnyO wrote:

Hey Brad - Being George don't wanna call me You call me LOL

JohnnyO
337-764-5953

ps. call me after 5pm today .. I may have something you may 
want...maybe :)



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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator


David,

Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator.  After
poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across 
the

$1959.00 7kW LP  Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer
switch and $40 check discount.

I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's
(500VA and greater) would be happy with it.  grin


Ralph,

Kudos on a great score at Home Depot!  Gotta love a motivated big box
manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU.


Best,


Brad



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We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



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Brad Belton wrote:

So, you bought this LP  Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
including tax and transfer switch?


Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
MVN.net



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[WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Just a quick question to the list, is Trango 5800 series still a viable
option for providing data  VOIP (IAX2) to customers?  I know a few ISPs out
there who use it for that, but there’s virtually no data at all on the
Trango site regarding it.  I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and
8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.

 

I am just looking for some real world experiences out there.

 

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Forrest W Christian

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and
8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.

On the canopy side: Two things:

1) The secret of making canopy work at extended ranges is buying cyclone 
AP's from last mile gear. http://www.lastmilegear.com. I regularly get 
10+ miles LOS with a reflector at 5.7, and 20+ miles LOS with a 
reflector at 2.4. Without the cyclone APs you can get roughly half that. 
The one thing you may have missed is that canopy is multipath sensitive, 
so moving the SM even 6-8 inches could make the difference between a 
great link and no link - especially with a big RF mirror like the river 
you are talking about.


2) VoIP on canopy works really well when set correctly. Correctly means 
having the correct (not necessarily the latest) version in the AP and 
SM, and setting prioritization in both the AP and SM for voice traffic. 
In addition, you need to watch and make sure that you have bandwidth set 
correctly and are getting the speeds you expect. If you had a marginal 
link, there is every possibility that you simply did not have sufficient 
bandwidth available to you in the upstream


-forrest
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RE: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I had actually called Motorola support, we had it configured for 50/50, the
versions were up to date, but I think multipath was the problem.  I was at
ground level, about 25 feet from the shore of the body of water I was
crossing.  I may reconsider Canopy again in the future but I didn't feel
like the factory suggested maximum 26 simultaneous calls was a figure I was
happy with.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Forrest W Christian
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango  VOIP

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
 I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
 unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector,
and
 8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
 transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.
On the canopy side: Two things:

1) The secret of making canopy work at extended ranges is buying cyclone 
AP's from last mile gear. http://www.lastmilegear.com. I regularly get 
10+ miles LOS with a reflector at 5.7, and 20+ miles LOS with a 
reflector at 2.4. Without the cyclone APs you can get roughly half that. 
The one thing you may have missed is that canopy is multipath sensitive, 
so moving the SM even 6-8 inches could make the difference between a 
great link and no link - especially with a big RF mirror like the river 
you are talking about.

2) VoIP on canopy works really well when set correctly. Correctly means 
having the correct (not necessarily the latest) version in the AP and 
SM, and setting prioritization in both the AP and SM for voice traffic. 
In addition, you need to watch and make sure that you have bandwidth set 
correctly and are getting the speeds you expect. If you had a marginal 
link, there is every possibility that you simply did not have sufficient 
bandwidth available to you in the upstream

-forrest
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RE: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice

2007-07-02 Thread michael mulcay
Tom/Charles

The whole objective is to increase the effective use of spectrum under
the existing rules.  NO WAIVERS, NO RULE CHANGES and NO INCREASED
INTERFERENCE. 

To maintain the existing frequency coordination efficiencies the path
antennas must meet CAT A (or B) and their size will be large. It is the
wasted side lobe radiation that can be put to productive use with
subordinated paths where the radiation from the Distributed Radiating
Elements (DREs) at the input to any victim receiver is always below the
coordinated interference or 6dB below the victim receiver's thermal
noise. The size shape etc of the DRE can be any size or shape (small)
providing all the network criteria is satisfied.

Mike

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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:52 AM
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I'd also add, I'm not certain everyone wants the antenna beamwidth 
requirements waived on these protected bands.

I HIGHLY support NOT lowering the antenna size requirement for 11Ghz, as

anything smaller than its at today, just compromises long haul backhaul 
applications, in which WISPs do not have many option for long haul. At
8-10 
miles, a couple extra Degrees of beamwidth is capable of interfering
with a 
much wide length of area in the city effected.  Although, I'd like to
see 
6Ghz lowered to 4 ft dishes.  There isn't a landlord in their right mind

that would allow a 6 ft antenna installed on their roof.
Or maybe a nicely designed 3 ft model, possibly acceptable.

Not that I'm not for concurrent coordination.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice


But what about the 36 / 38 dBi antenna rule for 4  6 GHz?  The SIA is
all over Fibertower's 2' request in 11 GHz...imagine 4 GHz, which could
knock out a lot of C-band downlinks (now, not being a satellite expert,
I'm not sure of the current usage of this channel, but being that the
SIA has tons of , I'm sure they'll raise up a storm)

That said, I think you need to get the antenna beamwidth requirements
waives / relaxed first...even if concurrent coordination passes, I don't
think anyone will want to be installing 6' dishes on people's houses...

-Charles


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Behalf Of michael mulcay
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:09 AM
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Charles,

The request for a declaratory ruling applies to all frequency bands. The
bands of immediate interest are 3.7 to 4.2GHz and 5.9 to 6.4GHz (an easy
freq change for WiMax, 3.5GHz to 4GHz band and 5.8GHz to 6GHz band)where
the subordinated link antenna sizes drop from 8ft and 6ft to as low as
1ft flat panel.

Mike

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Wouldn't you be better off lowering antenna size requirement for the 3.7
GHz band first?
No one (specifically WiMAX) is going to make anything cheap for 18 or 23
GHz

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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice

Last week the FCC1 issued a Public Notice seeking comments on Wireless
Strategies request for a declaratory ruling regarding (concurrent)
coordination of microwave links under Part 101 of the Commission's
rules.

The amount of microwave spectrum is finite and it is in everyone's
interest to seek ways to increase the effective use the existing
spectrum. Unfortunately, there may be those who have a vested interest
in maintaining the status quo and who will attempt to stifle innovation.

Innovation is one of the few ways that small companies can compete with
large established companies and that is why we believe this is a one
time opportunity for WISPs to join the big league as regards the ability
to obtain licensed spectrum which can support low cost 802.16-based
(WiMax) equipment with small antenna elements to provide licensed
backhaul and broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers,
through frequency reuse without causing any additional harmful
interference.

It would be a great help if WISPA as a group and individual WISPs file
comments in support of the request for a declaratory ruling, especially
as there is everything to gain and nothing to lose.


Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Eric Muehleisen

Doug,
I will second Forrest's comments. We have been running VOIP on Canopy 
for several years now will great success. The key is setting the high 
priority queues and DiffServ settings. We also tagged VOIP traffic in a 
high priority DHCP VLAN. We've found that PPPoE encapsulation really 
struggles with VOIP. Are you using PPPoE?


-Eric


Forrest W Christian wrote:

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a 
reflector, and

8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.

On the canopy side: Two things:

1) The secret of making canopy work at extended ranges is buying 
cyclone AP's from last mile gear. http://www.lastmilegear.com. I 
regularly get 10+ miles LOS with a reflector at 5.7, and 20+ miles LOS 
with a reflector at 2.4. Without the cyclone APs you can get roughly 
half that. The one thing you may have missed is that canopy is 
multipath sensitive, so moving the SM even 6-8 inches could make the 
difference between a great link and no link - especially with a big RF 
mirror like the river you are talking about.


2) VoIP on canopy works really well when set correctly. Correctly 
means having the correct (not necessarily the latest) version in the 
AP and SM, and setting prioritization in both the AP and SM for voice 
traffic. In addition, you need to watch and make sure that you have 
bandwidth set correctly and are getting the speeds you expect. If you 
had a marginal link, there is every possibility that you simply did 
not have sufficient bandwidth available to you in the upstream


-forrest


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RE: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I'm not using Canopy at the moment - I had bought a trial kit, ended up
selling it.  I'm using Mikrotik right now.  How are you doing with
concurrent calls per sector?  I'm talking about rolling out a network
_mostly_ dedicated to VOIP, even some customers without data at all.  Some
customers would have as many as 8 to 10 voice lines.  For customers who want
more I would simply use a PtP link for them.   With all VOIP the real
bandwidth cuts to 4.5Mbps on Advantage according to Motorola's white papers.


I'm also concerned with scalability, if I have 6 x 5.7 Canopy APs on a
tower, I need 100' of vertical space to co-locate a 5.2 set.  Most of my
towers aren't even 100' tall.  Trango is not only dual polarity, but dual
band as well.  Nothing suggests you can't put them all in close proximity as
long as they are in different polarizations / bands when close by.  

I wonder if IAX2 trunking would allow more VOIP calls over the same data
bandwidth due to packet size / aggregation?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango  VOIP

Doug,
I will second Forrest's comments. We have been running VOIP on Canopy 
for several years now will great success. The key is setting the high 
priority queues and DiffServ settings. We also tagged VOIP traffic in a 
high priority DHCP VLAN. We've found that PPPoE encapsulation really 
struggles with VOIP. Are you using PPPoE?

-Eric


Forrest W Christian wrote:
 Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
 I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
 unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a 
 reflector, and
 8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
 transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.
 On the canopy side: Two things:

 1) The secret of making canopy work at extended ranges is buying 
 cyclone AP's from last mile gear. http://www.lastmilegear.com. I 
 regularly get 10+ miles LOS with a reflector at 5.7, and 20+ miles LOS 
 with a reflector at 2.4. Without the cyclone APs you can get roughly 
 half that. The one thing you may have missed is that canopy is 
 multipath sensitive, so moving the SM even 6-8 inches could make the 
 difference between a great link and no link - especially with a big RF 
 mirror like the river you are talking about.

 2) VoIP on canopy works really well when set correctly. Correctly 
 means having the correct (not necessarily the latest) version in the 
 AP and SM, and setting prioritization in both the AP and SM for voice 
 traffic. In addition, you need to watch and make sure that you have 
 bandwidth set correctly and are getting the speeds you expect. If you 
 had a marginal link, there is every possibility that you simply did 
 not have sufficient bandwidth available to you in the upstream

 -forrest

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Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Eric Muehleisen

Doug,
See inline...

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

I'm not using Canopy at the moment - I had bought a trial kit, ended up
selling it.  I'm using Mikrotik right now.  How are you doing with
concurrent calls per sector? 
  
If I'm not mistaken the Canopy Advantage white papers claim 25 
concurrent VOIP calls (per AP) using the G.711 codec.

 I'm talking about rolling out a network
_mostly_ dedicated to VOIP, even some customers without data at all.  Some
customers would have as many as 8 to 10 voice lines.  For customers who want
more I would simply use a PtP link for them.   With all VOIP the real
bandwidth cuts to 4.5Mbps on Advantage according to Motorola's white papers.


I'm also concerned with scalability, if I have 6 x 5.7 Canopy APs on a
tower, I need 100' of vertical space to co-locate a 5.2 set.  Most of my
towers aren't even 100' tall.  Trango is not only dual polarity, but dual
band as well.  Nothing suggests you can't put them all in close proximity as
long as they are in different polarizations / bands when close by.  
  
I have a cluster of 5.7 Canopy AP's and 5.2 Canopy AP's installed on the 
same bracket about 250' up. All GPS sync'd without a problem.

I wonder if IAX2 trunking would allow more VOIP calls over the same data
bandwidth due to packet size / aggregation?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango  VOIP

Doug,
I will second Forrest's comments. We have been running VOIP on Canopy 
for several years now will great success. The key is setting the high 
priority queues and DiffServ settings. We also tagged VOIP traffic in a 
high priority DHCP VLAN. We've found that PPPoE encapsulation really 
struggles with VOIP. Are you using PPPoE?


-Eric


Forrest W Christian wrote:
  

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:


I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a 
reflector, and

8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.
  

On the canopy side: Two things:

1) The secret of making canopy work at extended ranges is buying 
cyclone AP's from last mile gear. http://www.lastmilegear.com. I 
regularly get 10+ miles LOS with a reflector at 5.7, and 20+ miles LOS 
with a reflector at 2.4. Without the cyclone APs you can get roughly 
half that. The one thing you may have missed is that canopy is 
multipath sensitive, so moving the SM even 6-8 inches could make the 
difference between a great link and no link - especially with a big RF 
mirror like the river you are talking about.


2) VoIP on canopy works really well when set correctly. Correctly 
means having the correct (not necessarily the latest) version in the 
AP and SM, and setting prioritization in both the AP and SM for voice 
traffic. In addition, you need to watch and make sure that you have 
bandwidth set correctly and are getting the speeds you expect. If you 
had a marginal link, there is every possibility that you simply did 
not have sufficient bandwidth available to you in the upstream


-forrest



  


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[WISPA] Verizon in the Fixed Wireless business

2007-07-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
A couple months late posting.  But interesting to see Verizon working its 
way into Fixed Wireless.


http://www.fibertower.com/corp/solutions-government-networx.shtml

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread Mac Dearman
We have the exact same generator as well - - only a 16KW  - - we too ordered
it from Lowes and it was $2900.00 with a $200.00 rebate. It was drop shipped
to the NOC - - -and no - - - - we haven't had a single power outage either
since we bought and installed it 8 months ago :-)

 I hear it fire up and run on occasions, but I am still waiting to see it
fire up when it really counts.

Mac 




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*
* I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one.
*
*[ snipped link ]
*
*That's either the very same generator I have, or very close to it.
*
*(Actually, it's just very close. Ours can run on either propane or
*natural gas, and it's presently wired up for the latter.)
*
*Sadly, in the five months since we moved to our new office, with that
*fancy new generator, we haven't had a single power outage. Not so much
*as
*a flicker. It pops on once a week for its exercise cycle, and I've done
*the flip the big switch and make sure the generator fires up test a
*couple times, so I assume it works.)
*
*As with any big purchase, shop around. Ours was $500 cheaper than the
*price on that Web site; we just had Lowe's special-order it for us.
*
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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-02 Thread John Thomas
If you are serious about backup power, here is some equipment you might 
consider;


http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/42/p/1/pt/10/product.asp

or

http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/44/p/1/pt/8/product.asp

or

http://www.outbackpower.com/Backup.htm

John


George Rogato wrote:
If it was just for radios, I'd be just using ups with extra batteries, 
but it's actually for a small data room with a half a dozen or more 
servers and some pc routers etc as well as couple of radios.


Right now we are just using ups for each server, but they don't last 
long, they just help if the power blinks or is out for a short time.


But if the power is out for a few hours, I'd like to keep operating.


Tom DeReggi wrote:

George,

We investigated these units about 4 years ago, and they were our 
first pick for converting to Propaine backup.
However, at the time we decided against it for cost reasons. We did 
not need 16Kwatt and we were not aware of a 7Kwatt model at that time.
The $3500 for the 16K base unit is not the only cost. The autotranser 
switch added about $500, and then the Propain Tank is also an 
additional cost, but more importantly, the second we used Propaine in 
a cmmercial building, we needed a licensed Propain installer to do 
the work, to meet landlords requirements, which added another grand 
or two.


We instead installed Triplite 3500 watt power inverters $500 + 8 high 
end batteries (CD150AH batteries @ $350 each, but have a 10year + 
lifespan).


The arguement was that generators can be finicky, sometimes not 
starting on demand, if not routinely tested and started, and with the 
battery inverter solution we also were bypassing a high UPS cost, 
which is high for 3500watt rated units. So we solved our problem for 
3 grand, instead of 6 grand after all considered, said, and done.


Now with that said. Seeing a 7Kwatt unit for only $2000, that 
changes everything! It would definately be more cost effective doing 
the generator instead of batteries.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=538 



I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one.
The auto transfer switch and propane caught my eye and I figured I'd 
share it with the list.


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RE: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Don Annas
We currently use the 5850 fox units for many of our SIP clients and it works
well.  Very important to turn off ARQ as that seems to cause issues.  We use
the Mikrotik at both ends to control QoS.

- Don

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Just a quick question to the list, is Trango 5800 series still a viable
option for providing data  VOIP (IAX2) to customers?  I know a few ISPs out
there who use it for that, but there’s virtually no data at all on the
Trango site regarding it.  I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was
unhappy with the overall range  quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and
8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going).  I’m
transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river.

 

I am just looking for some real world experiences out there.

 

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[WISPA] Toledo Reconsiders Muni Wi-Fi

2007-07-02 Thread Peter R.

http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007750.html

By Glenn Fleishman

Toledo, Ohio’s mayor has backed away from Wi-Fi plan: The mayor says the 
city won’t continue to seek council approval for a $2.2m contract with 
MetroFi. The contract would cover five years of service for the city, 
and was estimated to be at or near a cost conservation level compared 
with current services. MetroFi would spend about $5m to build 
advertising-supported free service, with an optional paid, ad-free 
offering as elsewhere. The city’s IS director resigned and then was 
fired after a confrontation with the mayor over the plan’s leadership. 
The mayor is now looking for partners, and won’t “spend taxpayer money.” 
Of course, if you have a five-year plan that could be revenue neutral, 
you’re risking that it won’t be, but you’re not per se spending taxpayer 
dollars; and, no savings from efficiency were calculated.


The parent company of the newspaper covering this story put in a bid 
that the city found incomplete; MetroFi won in that round. That firm, 
Buckeye CableSystem, says that MetroFi’s solution “is likely to become 
obsolete,” and continues by criticizing Wi-Fi as a metro-scale solution. 
Well, sure, but what’s the alternative? Mobile WiMax? Maybe next year, 
and you need licensed spectrum. And all technology becomes obsolete; 
it’s a question of the value over its expected lifetime and whether that 
value presents an opportunity by investing now rather than waiting some 
period of time. Wi-Fi will get better, and any well designed network 
could be upgraded in phases.


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