Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP
Heres all the info you should need.. http://www.astlinux.org/index.php http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=AstLinux%20Users%20Guide%20Chapter%201http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=AstLinux%2520Users%2520Guide%2520Chapter%25201 On 7/5/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's your fault. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP unless you aren't using Asterix :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP IAX2 trunking is your savior. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango VOIP But in the same sense, its not as cut and dry as oversubscription. If it were, then a 5Mbps/5Mbps ratio could give me 103 calls/Mbit (IAX2/G729) but in reality, that's 100k PPS per 100 calls, making it unworkable. But at the same token, if I decide 15 concurrent calls @ G711 per AP is a usable number with bandwidth left over, I can manage oversubscription there. Ultimately, it's the PPS that kills it. But can systems like Mikrotik for QOS adequately pack the packets over the wireless so that instead of transmitting 100 300byte packets, to transmit 20 1500byte packets? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP I have plenty of VOIP customers behind my Trango network. I'm also getting excellent results using Targeted Technologies proprietary 8K stream VOIP even over my 900Mhz Trango. Trango has plenty of processing power and pps performance to do VOIP. The relevent question is, is the oversubscription rate you plan to use on your network within the capabilty of delivering VOIP? There are many challenges in delivering quality VOIP over ANY PtMP network design. Although prioirtization helps, its not the one save all feature. In PtMP end users must compete for upload time of the AP, even smart polling systems do not 100% solve this issue in an oversubscribed network, although helps significantly. Backend prioiritization is not enough for upload direction, if it gets choked at the AP before it reaches the prioritization. If you are going to do VOIP, you must be more conservative on your oversubscription rate, and you will be fine. On the download side it is not a problem as traffic will reach the bandwdith management/prioiritization before it reaches the AP. With that said, Trango had been working on a VOIP prioritized firmware last year for the 5580, I do not know if it was released or not. The second issue is whether you are designing your Trango network with enough RF margin. Never never use a bare 5580 radio, its pointless. The Behive antennas are now shipping for the Trango 5580 also!! They work great, and bring the signal up to between 15-18 db antenna gain, depending on the case. They are great. Lastly, the newest Trango Firmwares added some support to help with out of order packets with its ARQ algorithym. This seemed to help quite a bit to optimize the VOIP performance when using ARQ. We only run Trango with ARQ. To valuable to turn off. (With the exception of for 5830s). The other decission you'll need to make is whetehr the over all design of your network is good enough to be a VOIP provider. You will have to be the judge of that. Voice services are demanding, from an uptime SLA point of view. To handle this, we are adding more point to point links, more licensed links, getting rid of backbone bottle necks, etc. But Trango can handle VOIP just fine, as far as capabilty of a radio. The VOIP engineering is up to you, on the router behind and in front of them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango VOIP Just a quick question to the list, is Trango 5800 series still a viable option for providing data VOIP (IAX2) to customers? I know a few ISPs out there who use it for that, but there's virtually no data at all on the Trango site regarding it. I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was unhappy with the overall range quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and 8 port
[WISPA] 5.3 gig rules clarification -- was, Fw: Regulatory Alert
Regulatory AlertHi All, I thought that the DFS requirement on 5.3 gig gear was only for new equipment certification. Turns out that even existing product lines when sold as new have to be modified. Example: You have a 3 year old Trango or Motorola 5.3 gig system and you want to add a new customer. The new radio will have to have DFS capabilites or they can't make/sell it to you, even though it's the same hardware as the device certified 3 years ago. This comes from an html exchange with Rashmi Doshi. He's with the FCC and in charge of such things rules etc. I've put rd: in front of his comments. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rashmi Doshi To: Marlon K. Schafer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Julius Knapp ; Bruce Romano Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: RE: Regulatory Alert Marlon: rd: I see you are keeping us on our toes! rd: Some answers to your questions: Just to make sure I'm perfectly clear on this. A product, that was certified under the old rules, can no longer be sold under those rules in the USA? rd: It is correct that if the product was certified under the old rules, it cannot be sold unless it was upgraded to include the DFS and TPC requirements. Any new gear, not just new certifications, has to meet the new rules as of July 20th of this year. No grandfather clause is in place for product lines we're already using?? I know we can still use them, but we have to also be able to buy new radios and replace bad units. rd: Yes all the new gear has to meet these requirements. This transition actually started last year, so your manufacturers should have been informing you since July 20, 2006 of their plans for migration. We have allowed options for repairing bad units. However, these must be controlled by the manufacturers and not be made freely available. In general if the bad units are shipped and the manufacturer replaces with a like unit this is typically allowed in the US. As I read this, I'd not, after July 20, 2007, be able to buy the same radios I use in parts of my network today. I'll, instead, have to change to whatever the new replacement product line will be and either replace all customer gear or run two parallel networks, one old and dying due to lack of replacement parts, and one new one. Even though the old network is only months old. Is this correct? rd: The situation will depend on the approach the manufacturer takes in handling the situation. This transition has been in the rules for the last 3 years, so it should not be any surprise to anyone. In fact, all the products or changes to products in this band were required to implement the new requirements starting last year. A number of manufacturers have been able to upgrade their products through software changes to meet the new requirements. In those cases they can sell the new units as upgraded to meet the requirements. In some cases they have chosen to remove the operation in the impacted band. I understand some people are able to run hybrid networks. rd: I hope these answers your questions. Have a happy 4th of July! rd: Rashmi Doshi From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:32 AM To: Rashmi Doshi; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Julius Knapp; Bruce Romano Subject: Re: Regulatory Alert Hiya Rashmi! How the heck are you these days! Long time no talk. Just to make sure I'm perfectly clear on this. A product, that was certified under the old rules, can no longer be sold under those rules in the USA? Any new gear, not just new certifications, has to meet the new rules as of July 20th of this year. No grandfather clause is in place for product lines we're already using?? I know we can still use them, but we have to also be able to buy new radios and replace bad units. As I read this, I'd not, after July 20, 2007, be able to buy the same radios I use in parts of my network today. I'll, instead, have to change to whatever the new replacement product line will be and either replace all customer gear or run two parallel networks, one old and dying due to lack of replacement parts, and one new one. Even though the old network is only months old. Is this correct? Thank you and have a great 4th of July! marlon - Original Message - From: Rashmi Doshi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Julius Knapp ; Bruce Romano Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: FW: Regulatory Alert Marlon: Your inquiry was forwarded to me to reply. The information in the notice included in your email is correct. According to section 15.37 (l) of our rules, UNII equipment operating in the 5.25 - 5.35 GHz band that are imported or marketed on or after July 20, 2007 shall comply with the DFS and TPC requirements section 15.407. Thus, if the Trango products listed in the email do not meet the appropriate DFS and TPC requirements, they cannot be marketed, distributed
Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry
John, Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff. What a rotten event. Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank? I'll have Mary send a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids. sincerely, marlon - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a tragedy which occured earlier this week. Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very difficult time. Please see below for information about the funeral services and memorial fund. Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner Orr in Lone Oak, KY. Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday at 11:00 am. Visitation will begin at 9:00 am. Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah and Aaron. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry
Marlon - please forward this information to us at APGWireless as well. The WISPA list donated over $1600.00 to a family in our home town that suffered a death of a father and a child in a house fire some time ago. Although $1600.00 does not seem like a lot - I know the mother made nothing but good use of it. It takes a lot to start picking up the peices and put things back together in times like this. We would like to contribute with some $$ also. WISPA - Let's pull together and see if we can beat that $1600.00 donated previously for the current family in need. JohnnyO ps - Cliff - you tightwad . *nudge nudge* - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry John, Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff. What a rotten event. Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank? I'll have Mary send a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids. sincerely, marlon - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a tragedy which occured earlier this week. Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very difficult time. Please see below for information about the funeral services and memorial fund. Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner Orr in Lone Oak, KY. Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday at 11:00 am. Visitation will begin at 9:00 am. Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah and Aaron. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry
A City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 423 Ferry St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2161 Get directions - More information B City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 2070 E 5th St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2162 Get directions - More information -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry John, Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff. What a rotten event. Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank? I'll have Mary send a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids. sincerely, marlon - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a tragedy which occured earlier this week. Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very difficult time. Please see below for information about the funeral services and memorial fund. Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner Orr in Lone Oak, KY. Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday at 11:00 am. Visitation will begin at 9:00 am. Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah and Aaron. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing
Subject: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/article.html Once again the ISP can do anything, especially what others have been un able to do.. Some of you may have see this discussed on the Nanog list. Tim CV-Access, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry
Thanks!! marlon - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry A City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 423 Ferry St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2161 Get directions - More information B City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 2070 E 5th St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2162 Get directions - More information -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry John, Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff. What a rotten event. Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank? I'll have Mary send a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids. sincerely, marlon - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a tragedy which occured earlier this week. Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very difficult time. Please see below for information about the funeral services and memorial fund. Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner Orr in Lone Oak, KY. Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday at 11:00 am. Visitation will begin at 9:00 am. Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah and Aaron. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry
We'll send $100. Not much, but if all 100+ wispa members did the same. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry A City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 423 Ferry St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2161 Get directions - More information B City National Bank www.cnb-metropolis.com 2070 E 5th St, Metropolis, 62960 - (618) 524-2162 Get directions - More information -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry John, Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff. What a rotten event. Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank? I'll have Mary send a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids. sincerely, marlon - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a tragedy which occured earlier this week. Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very difficult time. Please see below for information about the funeral services and memorial fund. Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner Orr in Lone Oak, KY. Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday at 11:00 am. Visitation will begin at 9:00 am. Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah and Aaron. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
