RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Mac Dearman
Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs

Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants 
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
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[WISPA] Grounding

2007-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett
What are those of you that are connecting different buildings together with cat 
5\6 cable doing WRT grounding?  Aren't all grounding systems with anything 
conductive linking them supposed to be bonded together so that the equipment 
doesn't become the path to ground?  Is this as simple as placing surge 
protectors on both sides or is it more complicated such as running some 4 gauge 
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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread wifi
I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over a
month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs

Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants 
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Jack Weinberg
 When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer.  Remember
we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
 





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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over a
month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
CEO
314-974-5600



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs

Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
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RE: [WISPA] Grounding

2007-07-19 Thread Kenneth M. Chipps PhD
Do not connect buildings with copper cable, unless they are bonded to the
same single point ground system.. This is what wireless and fiber are for.

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:09 AM
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What are those of you that are connecting different buildings together with
cat 5\6 cable doing WRT grounding?  Aren't all grounding systems with
anything conductive linking them supposed to be bonded together so that the
equipment doesn't become the path to ground?  Is this as simple as placing
surge protectors on both sides or is it more complicated such as running
some 4 gauge copper alongside the cable?

Same with an RG-6 cable.


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Re: [WISPA] Grounding

2007-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett

I agree that fiber and wireless would circumvent the issue entirely.

The telco and cableco run copper from building to building.


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Do not connect buildings with copper cable, unless they are bonded to the
same single point ground system.. This is what wireless and fiber are for.

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:09 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Grounding

What are those of you that are connecting different buildings together 
with

cat 5\6 cable doing WRT grounding?  Aren't all grounding systems with
anything conductive linking them supposed to be bonded together so that 
the

equipment doesn't become the path to ground?  Is this as simple as placing
surge protectors on both sides or is it more complicated such as running
some 4 gauge copper alongside the cable?

Same with an RG-6 cable.


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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread V Proffer
Oh I forgot, those are the ones I backed over with my duly 3 or 4 times,
lol.
Normal wear and tear.  Two, that I know of had burnt out Ethernet ports.
Your tech did state that one was repaired, when in fact it was not.  

I guess my real issue was the fact that it took over a month before any one
even looked at them.  As well as another company I am working with had the
same issue.

Jack, we need a company like yours especially when Trango wants outrageous
money for repair.  It would just be nice if your company was a little more
responsive.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

 When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer.  Remember
we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
 





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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over a
month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
CEO
314-974-5600



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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:57 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs

Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Jack Weinberg
Victoria if you ever have response issues with us please call me directly. 


Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
 





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Behalf Of V Proffer
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Oh I forgot, those are the ones I backed over with my duly 3 or 4 times,
lol.
Normal wear and tear.  Two, that I know of had burnt out Ethernet ports.
Your tech did state that one was repaired, when in fact it was not.  

I guess my real issue was the fact that it took over a month before any one
even looked at them.  As well as another company I am working with had the
same issue.

Jack, we need a company like yours especially when Trango wants outrageous
money for repair.  It would just be nice if your company was a little more
responsive.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

 When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer.  Remember
we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
 





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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over a
month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
CEO
314-974-5600



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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:57 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs

Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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RE: [WISPA] Grounding

2007-07-19 Thread Kenneth M. Chipps PhD
Different systems. They also do not install expensive electronic devices in
those buildings at the end of the cable runs.

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
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I agree that fiber and wireless would circumvent the issue entirely.

The telco and cableco run copper from building to building.


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http://www.ics-il.com


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From: Kenneth M. Chipps PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grounding


 Do not connect buildings with copper cable, unless they are bonded to the
 same single point ground system.. This is what wireless and fiber are for.

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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Grounding

 What are those of you that are connecting different buildings together 
 with
 cat 5\6 cable doing WRT grounding?  Aren't all grounding systems with
 anything conductive linking them supposed to be bonded together so that 
 the
 equipment doesn't become the path to ground?  Is this as simple as placing
 surge protectors on both sides or is it more complicated such as running
 some 4 gauge copper alongside the cable?

 Same with an RG-6 cable.


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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Larry A Weidig
I cannot comment about Trango, but we have used them in the past
for Alvarion gear.  Our results have been a large number returned no
repair (which we were not charged for), but a large number of the
repaired radios failing after being put back in service.  Most of the
time for the exact issue they were sent in for.
This of course causes a number of issues.  First, the actual
repair costs are much higher (usually keeps 50% of the radios repaired).
Second, you have a frustrated customer with a broken radio. Finally, you
have a truck roll to repair.
Unfortunately for us at this point we are just discarding radios
and writing them off as there does not seem to be a good repair option
we have found.  This is my personal experiences.

Larry Weidig


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I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.
Over a
month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may
have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
CEO
314-974-5600



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

  I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him
lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed
to
be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants

$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
Microserv




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[WISPA] Dead RF Canopy 900APC.

2007-07-19 Thread Scottie Arnett
Hello Lists,

I have a 900 Canopy APC that the RF seems to be damaged in. I can connect to
it if I get within 10 feet of it, LOL, with a RSSI of about 1200. And this
is with a 10 dB antenna on the AP and a 14dB antenna on the SM. I have
checked everything I can think of, i.e. changed pigtails, made sure power
level was at 26, reloaded firmware, default reset, different antennas.
Anyone have any ideas? 

If it is dead, I know there are some repair places lurking on here...but do
any of you repair the RF side?

I also have a 900 SMC that has about the same symptoms. It will show an RSSI
of 0 and bounce up to 233. It will not connect to any AP that is even within
2 feet of it. I have tried all the above with it too. 

Where is the best place to get Ethernet chips replaced in these modules? I
see that Electrocomm shows it for $75, I called and they said that FDDI did
it for them, to just call them direct. Is that about the going rate to
replace these Ethernet chips?

TIA for any suggestions

Sincerely,
Scottie Arnett
President
Info-ed, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Jack: In general, there are less troubleshooter/radio
repairman training classes and vocational programs in
the public school system.   I had a discussion about
this with my 82 year old buddy who is an old Motorola
radioman and ARRL member.   Part of this stems from
the buy it and chuck it and replace it with new
mentatlity.  Many components in seperate are more
expansive then the whole. I have an old Canopy 5.7
radio in my workshop and I think I'm going to just
pull it apart and look at it to learn.  But where does
one buy an ethernet femaale jack? just one. 

Felix
Silicon Valley

--- Jack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Victoria if you ever have response issues with us
 please call me directly. 
 
 
 Jack Weinberg, President
 69 Public Square , 14th Floor
 Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701
 
 570-823-9804
 1-866-439-5469
 
 570-823-9867 fax
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola,
 Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
 Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment. 
 Call us for all your
 wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of V Proffer
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 Oh I forgot, those are the ones I backed over with
 my duly 3 or 4 times,
 lol.
 Normal wear and tear.  Two, that I know of had burnt
 out Ethernet ports.
 Your tech did state that one was repaired, when in
 fact it was not.  
 
 I guess my real issue was the fact that it took over
 a month before any one
 even looked at them.  As well as another company I
 am working with had the
 same issue.
 
 Jack, we need a company like yours especially when
 Trango wants outrageous
 money for repair.  It would just be nice if your
 company was a little more
 responsive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jack Weinberg
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
  When you send us something that has been destroyed,
 its rather difficult to
 repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the
 manufacturer.  Remember
 we do not charge for unrepaired units.
 
 
 
 Ezlinx.net Inc.
 Jack Weinberg, President
 69 Public Square , 14th Floor
 Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701
 
 570-823-9804
 1-866-439-5469
 
 570-823-9867 fax
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola,
 Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
 Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment. 
 Call us for all your
 wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:19 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su
 and 3 Fox 5800.   Over a
 month later they sent them back to me, none
 repaired.
 
 I am working with another company that is training
 on the repair, may have
 another option soon.
 
 
 Victoria Proffer
 www.stlbroadband.com
 CEO
 314-974-5600
 
 
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 Travis,
 
   I have never sent him anything to repair for me,
 but I have sold him lots
 of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP
 buyouts. They seemed to
 be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.
 
 
 1-866-439-5469
 
 http://store.ezlinx.net/
 
 
 Mac
 
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 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:57 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General
 List
 Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a
 reasonable rate? Trango wants
 $200 per radio.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 


 
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[WISPA] Sprint Nextel and Clearwire

2007-07-19 Thread Frank Muto
Sprint Nextel and Clearwire have announced that they will jointly construct 
their WiMAX networks and eventually sell the services jointly under one 
brand. The deal still needs to gain approval by the Department of Justice 
and the FCC because the companies plan on exchanging selected 2.5 GHz 
spectrum license assignments.


Under the network build-out plan, Sprint Nextel will focus its efforts 
primarily on geographic areas covering approximately 185 million people, 
including 75 percent of the people located in the 50 largest markets, while 
Clearwire will focus on areas covering approximately 115 million people. 
Initially, the two companies expect to build out network coverage to 
approximately 100 million people by the end of 2008, with seamless roaming 
enabled between the deployed areas.


Our joint efforts will result in customers benefiting from a more extensive 
network, operating sooner and using our respective spectrum more efficiently 
than either company could have on its own, said Clearwire Chief Executive 
Officer Ben Wolff.


The companies will sell services under one brand and Clearwire will sell 
subscriptions to the service at Sprint locations within Clearwire's 
territories. Sprint plans to provide dual-mode (CDMA-WiMAX) services 
nationwide to its customers both on its own and Clearwire's portion of the 
WiMAX networks.


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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a pretty good price, 
considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools and knowledge to verify a 
proper repair.
Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost radios 900, 5830, APs, 
etc


If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell for $200 new, I'd agree a 
lower priced alternative would be needed to justify repairing.

But is that realistic to find, (for specialize proprietary radio equipment)?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants 
$200 per radio.


Thanks,

Travis
Microserv


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[WISPA] service

2007-07-19 Thread David Peterson
If anyone services Muskegon, MI (Cloverville area) please hit me offlist.

David


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[WISPA] service in Maine

2007-07-19 Thread Mike Delp
Does anybody have service in the area of Bristol and Bremen Maine?
6 miles NE of Bristol and 1.5 Mi East of Bremen   ish.

Please let me know

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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

Jack,

I respect you for accepting repair jobs, where you do not charge for 
unrepaired items. There is a real cost to the intial troubleshooting.

I think its great to have one more option for possible repair.

I'll share some personal insight. This is not directed at ezlink, but al 
lreapir centers in general. One of the biggest risks in using repaired goods 
is the cost to isntall the radio far exceeds the cost of the repair, often 
far greater than the cost of a new radio.  So if a board comes back not 
properly repaired, but stated as repaired, its costly to the client, and not 
worth the client considering future repairs, if the track record is not 
consistent.  Further, if a repair comes back stated as unrepaired, the 
client wants to know for sure whether that is a product that needs to be 
thrown in the trash or resend out to a more competent or more willing repair 
centers. For example, how does the client know that the board was truly 
blown versus a reapir center that jsut felt it wasn;t cost effective to 
investigate whether it was repairable, based on the tools and resources he 
had? These two problems are the two problems that frustrate clients.  Whats 
ironic is that there is an easilly solution to this problem, and its called 
documenting summary of work.  I have found that client want to and can 
trust their repair vendors, and all that is needed is a communication 
process that shows the reapir center did their best and what they did.  The 
more detailed the repair troubleshooting log is, the more confortable the 
client feels.  For example, if a client reports a problem such as locks up 
when hot, if the vendor responds, put heat gun on board for 30 minutes, no 
lockup occurred or replaced FAN, no lockup for 30 minutes,  it would 
infer that the repair center heard the reported problem accurately, and 
attempted to investigate the actual problem.  Or Ethernet Chipset fried to 
a crisp, no repair possible, would let a client know clearly why its not 
repairable from the specific repair center. The client could then choose to 
send it to a repair center that advertised chipset level repairs possible. 
These are just examples.  But what I hate to see, is jsut  get a radio back 
that says repaired or not repaired with little detail, because it does 
not give me that cosy feeling of an answer that I can rely on.


I do not know ezlink's policies and proceedures, but I'd be interesting in 
hearing how Ezlink handles it.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Jack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs



Victoria if you ever have response issues with us please call me directly.


Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of V Proffer
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Oh I forgot, those are the ones I backed over with my duly 3 or 4 times,
lol.
Normal wear and tear.  Two, that I know of had burnt out Ethernet ports.
Your tech did state that one was repaired, when in fact it was not.

I guess my real issue was the fact that it took over a month before any 
one

even looked at them.  As well as another company I am working with had the
same issue.

Jack, we need a company like yours especially when Trango wants outrageous
money for repair.  It would just be nice if your company was a little more
responsive.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult 
to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer. 
Remember

we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.






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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over 
a

month later they sent them back to me, 

Re: [WISPA] Sprint Nextel and Clearwire

2007-07-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Interesting to note that Clearwire in many cases uses Licensed Dragon wave 
for backhaul, and Sprint jsut recently purchased large amounts of Dragonwave 
stock (or something like that), and both have licensed 2.5Ghz.  I think this 
was probably a good move for Sprint and Clearwire, and it looks like they 
are aligning to be a company that is ownerous toall components required to 
deliver the end solution, gear, spectrum, and tower sites, and  
company.


What will be interesting to see is whether Clearwire's debt and operating 
costs, combined with Sprint's declining market share of cell phone and 
wireline data services, will burry the joint venture, even with all the 
synergies that exists, for them to work togeather.  Personally, I think it 
was a smart move on both company's part to work togeather, to reduce their 
competition.  With them being the only two real offerers of potential 
licensed Wimax networks, it should help their stock value escalate.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Sprint Nextel and Clearwire


Sprint Nextel and Clearwire have announced that they will jointly 
construct their WiMAX networks and eventually sell the services jointly 
under one brand. The deal still needs to gain approval by the Department 
of Justice and the FCC because the companies plan on exchanging selected 
2.5 GHz spectrum license assignments.


Under the network build-out plan, Sprint Nextel will focus its efforts 
primarily on geographic areas covering approximately 185 million people, 
including 75 percent of the people located in the 50 largest markets, 
while Clearwire will focus on areas covering approximately 115 million 
people. Initially, the two companies expect to build out network coverage 
to approximately 100 million people by the end of 2008, with seamless 
roaming enabled between the deployed areas.


Our joint efforts will result in customers benefiting from a more 
extensive network, operating sooner and using our respective spectrum more 
efficiently than either company could have on its own, said Clearwire 
Chief Executive Officer Ben Wolff.


The companies will sell services under one brand and Clearwire will sell 
subscriptions to the service at Sprint locations within Clearwire's 
territories. Sprint plans to provide dual-mode (CDMA-WiMAX) services 
nationwide to its customers both on its own and Clearwire's portion of the 
WiMAX networks.


http://www.fiercewireless.com/press-releases/press-release-sprint-nextel-clearwire-partner-expand-deployment-first-nationwide-mobi



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc



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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Tom - I worked with field technicians, Call Centers
and I trained Call Centers in previous life and agree
with you. I think it is also a training issue and I.T.
issue.  I recall my Call Center/RMA standard operating
procedures (SOPs) required just what you said - the
more detail the better in RMA.  But the actual issue
was my Call Center staff didn't have enough space in
the paperwork to write in more detail, or I didn't
provide them enough training.   

There is a group that studies this:
http://www.ciac-cert.org/index.cfm/AboutCIAC

Felix



--- Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack,
 
  I respect you for accepting repair jobs, where you
 do not charge for 
 unrepaired items. There is a real cost to the intial
 troubleshooting.
 I think its great to have one more option for
 possible repair.
 
 I'll share some personal insight. This is not
 directed at ezlink, but al 
 lreapir centers in general. One of the biggest risks
 in using repaired goods 
 is the cost to isntall the radio far exceeds the
 cost of the repair, often 
 far greater than the cost of a new radio.  So if a
 board comes back not 
 properly repaired, but stated as repaired, its
 costly to the client, and not 
 worth the client considering future repairs, if the
 track record is not 
 consistent.  Further, if a repair comes back stated
 as unrepaired, the 
 client wants to know for sure whether that is a
 product that needs to be 
 thrown in the trash or resend out to a more
 competent or more willing repair 
 centers. For example, how does the client know that
 the board was truly 
 blown versus a reapir center that jsut felt it
 wasn;t cost effective to 
 investigate whether it was repairable, based on the
 tools and resources he 
 had? These two problems are the two problems that
 frustrate clients.  Whats 
 ironic is that there is an easilly solution to this
 problem, and its called 
 documenting summary of work.  I have found that
 client want to and can 
 trust their repair vendors, and all that is needed
 is a communication 
 process that shows the reapir center did their best
 and what they did.  The 
 more detailed the repair troubleshooting log is, the
 more confortable the 
 client feels.  For example, if a client reports a
 problem such as locks up 
 when hot, if the vendor responds, put heat gun on
 board for 30 minutes, no 
 lockup occurred or replaced FAN, no lockup for 30
 minutes,  it would 
 infer that the repair center heard the reported
 problem accurately, and 
 attempted to investigate the actual problem.  Or
 Ethernet Chipset fried to 
 a crisp, no repair possible, would let a client
 know clearly why its not 
 repairable from the specific repair center. The
 client could then choose to 
 send it to a repair center that advertised chipset
 level repairs possible. 
 These are just examples.  But what I hate to see, is
 jsut  get a radio back 
 that says repaired or not repaired with little
 detail, because it does 
 not give me that cosy feeling of an answer that I
 can rely on.
 
 I do not know ezlink's policies and proceedures, but
 I'd be interesting in 
 hearing how Ezlink handles it.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:58 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 
  Victoria if you ever have response issues with us
 please call me directly.
 
 
  Jack Weinberg, President
  69 Public Square , 14th Floor
  Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701
 
  570-823-9804
  1-866-439-5469
 
  570-823-9867 fax
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola,
 Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
  Proxim and many other brands of wireless
 equipment.  Call us for all your
  wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of V Proffer
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
  Oh I forgot, those are the ones I backed over with
 my duly 3 or 4 times,
  lol.
  Normal wear and tear.  Two, that I know of had
 burnt out Ethernet ports.
  Your tech did state that one was repaired, when in
 fact it was not.
 
  I guess my real issue was the fact that it took
 over a month before any 
  one
  even looked at them.  As well as another company I
 am working with had the
  same issue.
 
  Jack, we need a company like yours especially when
 Trango wants outrageous
  money for repair.  It would just be nice if your
 company was a little more
  responsive.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Jack Weinberg
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
  When you send us something that has been
 destroyed, its rather difficult 
  to
  repair.  Some 

[WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more after tomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Patrick Leary
Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy 5.3
GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
 
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread JohnnyO

Jack - nice signature :) Did Cliff tell you to throw that in there LOL

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Jack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs


When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult 
to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer. 
Remember

we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
69 Public Square , 14th Floor
Wilkes-Barre, PA  18701

570-823-9804
1-866-439-5469

570-823-9867 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
wireless neeeds. 1-866-439-5469.






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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over 
a

month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
CEO
314-974-5600



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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

 I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed 
to

be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

http://store.ezlinx.net/


Mac

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:57 PM
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Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more aftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Brad Belton
I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is this
rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless operator?

What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual or
tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on the FCC
mantel...well done!   grin

This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango operators.
The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on the fly
will be sorely missed.

Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new dual or
tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC certification.

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
aftertomorrow

Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy 5.3
GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
 
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any moreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Patrick Leary
You have real issues Brad.

The simple point is that the rule change is upon us. Debating whether or
not is good is a pointless endeavor -- this has been known for YEARS and
the time to debate the rule itself has long past. If you wish to waste
your breath trying to provoke an argument, go for it, but I won't be
baited into it.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is
this
rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless
operator?

What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual or
tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on the
FCC
mantel...well done!   grin

This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango operators.
The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on the
fly
will be sorely missed.

Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new dual
or
tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC certification.

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
aftertomorrow

Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy 5.3
GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
 
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy anymoreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Brad Belton
??  I guess you missed the grin at the end of my jest.  Sorry you have so
little room for a bit of humor.

No need to continue this here.  On my way out to eat...

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
anymoreaftertomorrow

You have real issues Brad.

The simple point is that the rule change is upon us. Debating whether or
not is good is a pointless endeavor -- this has been known for YEARS and
the time to debate the rule itself has long past. If you wish to waste
your breath trying to provoke an argument, go for it, but I won't be
baited into it.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is
this
rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless
operator?

What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual or
tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on the
FCC
mantel...well done!   grin

This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango operators.
The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on the
fly
will be sorely missed.

Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new dual
or
tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC certification.

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
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aftertomorrow

Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy 5.3
GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
 
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Alvarion, Inc.
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[WISPA] RE: Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more aftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Patrick Leary
[sorry for the cross posting, but the points are worth being widely
distributed]

Paul,
Alvarion's interpretation is the same as Trango's, such that IF you as
an operator have the units in your inventory, then you can put them up
without too much worry (though the FCC has not said this is okay or not
okay, it is a plausible and reasonable conclusion). But resellers cannot
sell existing stock; they will have to do a stock rotation back to the
vendor.

The point about grandfathered nature of deployed units is also correct,
though it mean you CANNOT buy legacy CPE to populate existing sectors --
AUs that are up now cannot get more subscribers UNLESS the new units
comply with the new DFS2 requirement (unless you as an operator have
them on YOUR shelf already).

All in all, it makes things a bit messy for a bit, but users of major
vendor's products don't have too much to fear. I suspect the hardest hit
will be those using systems whose vendor RD teams are not sophisticated
enough to deal with the issue; those vendors will have to wait for their
chip supplier to solve the challenge for them.

I can't speak for backward compatibility of most of the vendors, but it
looks like Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (and I believe Motorola Canopy also)
users will have backward compatible.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Gerstenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
any more aftertomorrow

I did recieve an email that says, Trango is working on new products  
which employ DFS/TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC  
approval is obtained. And also that their new 45Mb PtP bridge will  
also support this. Didn't have any specifics on PtMP or backwards  
compatibility though.

-Paul

Here is the email in it's entirety:

 From: Trango Update [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: July 2, 2007 4:24:08 PM PDT
 Subject: REGULATORY ALERT

 We wanted to let you know that a new FCC regulation is going into  
 effect July 20, 2007 that will affect operators' ability to deploy  
 wireless equipment in the United States in the UNII band.  As a  
 result of this regulatory change, several Trango products are  
 affected.

 The new FCC regulation impacts the sale of wireless equipment  
 operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz band. On July 20, 2007 only products  
 that support radar detection as specified by the FCC in the  
 5.25-5.35 GHz band can be imported or marketed.  Per our  
 understanding, 5.3 GHz units which were purchased prior to July 20,  
 2007 can still be deployed and previously deployed networks that  
 utilize 5.3 GHz are grandfathered in and do not require DFS  
 upgrades after the FCC deadline. The following document on the FCC  
 website describes the rules and has additional links: http:// 
 www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct06/Oct_06- 
 DFS_Equipment_Authorization-AL.pdf

 To comply with the FCC regulation, after July 20, 2007 Trango  
 Broadband Wireless will no longer sell wireless systems in the  
 United States which operate in the 5.25-5.35 GHz bands unless the  
 system employs Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) and Transmit Power  
 Control (TPC).  Trango is working on new products which employ DFS/ 
 TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC approval is  
 obtained.

 Beginning July 20, 2007, the following Trango Broadband products  
 will still be available but will only support operation in the  
 5.725 to 5.85 GHz ISM Band:

 M5830S-AP
 M5830S-AP-EXT

 M5830S-SU

 M5830S-SU-EXT

 Atlas5010-INT

 Atlas5010-EXT

 TLINK-10

 TLINK-10-EXT

 This change will be implemented through new firmware which will be  
 pre-loaded on all units (listed above) shipping from Trango  
 starting on July 20.  The new firmware will not allow the operator  
 to select a band of operation in the 5.3 GHz band.

 The M5300S-FSU (5.3 GHz FOX SU) does not support 5.8 GHz operation  
 and will not be shipping within the United States beginning July  
 20, 2007.  We have M5300S-FSU units in stock and ready to ship if  
 you are interested in beating the July 20th deadline.  However,  
 supply is limited and stock will be allocated on a first-come-first- 
 serve basis.

 The new TrangoLINK-45 is a 45 Mbps multi-band point-to-point bridge  
 which employs DFS for legal operation in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands  
 (as well as 5.8 GHz). This product is currently undergoing FCC  
 certification and will be available for shipment in the United  
 States as soon as FCC approval is obtained. Availability date for a  
 DFS-enabled point-to-multipoint system will be announced at a later  
 date.

 If you have any questions or concerns about this regulatory change,  
 please feel free to contact any of the Trango support or sales  
 representatives.  Please seehttp://www.trangobroadband.com/support/  
 for 

Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm talking mainly about radios we pay around $350 each for brand 
new at $200 for repair, we have just been piling them on a shelf... 
but if we could find someone to fix them for $100, it would be worth it.


The FOX and Atlas units we just throw in the garbage. :(

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a pretty good price, 
considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools and knowledge to 
verify a proper repair.
Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost radios 900, 5830, 
APs, etc


If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell for $200 new, I'd 
agree a lower priced alternative would be needed to justify repairing.
But is that realistic to find, (for specialize proprietary radio 
equipment)?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango 
wants $200 per radio.


Thanks,

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more aftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Travis Johnson
Rumor has it that Trango is just waiting FCC approval for a new triband 
5ghz AP (5.3ghz, 5.4ghz and 5.8ghz). It will also have more horsepower 
than the current 5830, but still be backward compatible with existing 
SU's. Same 10Mbps bandwidth limit however.


Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:

I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is this
rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless operator?

What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual or
tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on the FCC
mantel...well done!   grin

This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango operators.
The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on the fly
will be sorely missed.

Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new dual or
tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC certification.

Best,


Brad



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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
aftertomorrow

Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy 5.3
GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
 
Patrick Leary

AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Travis: Isn't the other factor also that you have to
buy some brands in 100 bundle pack/500 bundle  and
therefore it is not as simple as just replace with
new because its cheaper than repairing??  

Regarding unrepairable Atlas and Fox, I think you can
get some money at electronic recycler in your areas. 
We have several programs here in Silicon Valley.

Felix
Wireless/Utilities Practioner

--- Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm talking mainly about radios we pay around $350
 each for brand 
 new at $200 for repair, we have just been piling
 them on a shelf... 
 but if we could find someone to fix them for $100,
 it would be worth it.
 
 The FOX and Atlas units we just throw in the
 garbage. :(
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Tom DeReggi wrote:
  Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a
 pretty good price, 
  considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools
 and knowledge to 
  verify a proper repair.
  Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost
 radios 900, 5830, 
  APs, etc
 
  If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell
 for $200 new, I'd 
  agree a lower priced alternative would be needed
 to justify repairing.
  But is that realistic to find, (for specialize
 proprietary radio 
  equipment)?
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a
 reasonable rate? Trango 
  wants $200 per radio.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Travis
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RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any moreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Gino Villarini
If I was Trango, I would add a 2nd rf card to the APs, allowing to
maintain old customers on 5.8 and adding new to the 5.4

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

Rumor has it that Trango is just waiting FCC approval for a new triband 
5ghz AP (5.3ghz, 5.4ghz and 5.8ghz). It will also have more horsepower 
than the current 5830, but still be backward compatible with existing 
SU's. Same 10Mbps bandwidth limit however.

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:
 I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is
this
 rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless
operator?

 What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual
or
 tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on
the FCC
 mantel...well done!   grin

 This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango
operators.
 The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on
the fly
 will be sorely missed.

 Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new
dual or
 tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC
certification.

 Best,


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
 aftertomorrow

 Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
 us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy
5.3
 GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
 come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
 that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
 incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
  
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 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
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[WISPA] dielectric grease

2007-07-19 Thread RickG

My installer also does satellite installs. He says they use dielectric
grease to water proof connections. Why not use that instead of mastic
tape?
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[WISPA] dielectric grease

2007-07-19 Thread RickG

My installer also does satellite installs. He says they use dielectric
grease to water proof connections. Why not use that instead of mastic
tape?
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Re: {Spam?} [WISPA] RE: Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any moreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Scottie Arnett
OK, disregard my last post. What will they do about all these people selling 
gear on ebay that is being affected?
-- Original Message --
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:07:45 -0700

[sorry for the cross posting, but the points are worth being widely
distributed]

Paul,
Alvarion's interpretation is the same as Trango's, such that IF you as
an operator have the units in your inventory, then you can put them up
without too much worry (though the FCC has not said this is okay or not
okay, it is a plausible and reasonable conclusion). But resellers cannot
sell existing stock; they will have to do a stock rotation back to the
vendor.

The point about grandfathered nature of deployed units is also correct,
though it mean you CANNOT buy legacy CPE to populate existing sectors --
AUs that are up now cannot get more subscribers UNLESS the new units
comply with the new DFS2 requirement (unless you as an operator have
them on YOUR shelf already).

All in all, it makes things a bit messy for a bit, but users of major
vendor's products don't have too much to fear. I suspect the hardest hit
will be those using systems whose vendor RD teams are not sophisticated
enough to deal with the issue; those vendors will have to wait for their
chip supplier to solve the challenge for them.

I can't speak for backward compatibility of most of the vendors, but it
looks like Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (and I believe Motorola Canopy also)
users will have backward compatible.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gerstenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
any more aftertomorrow

I did recieve an email that says, Trango is working on new products  
which employ DFS/TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC  
approval is obtained. And also that their new 45Mb PtP bridge will  
also support this. Didn't have any specifics on PtMP or backwards  
compatibility though.

-Paul

Here is the email in it's entirety:

 From: Trango Update [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: July 2, 2007 4:24:08 PM PDT
 Subject: REGULATORY ALERT

 We wanted to let you know that a new FCC regulation is going into  
 effect July 20, 2007 that will affect operators' ability to deploy  
 wireless equipment in the United States in the UNII band.  As a  
 result of this regulatory change, several Trango products are  
 affected.

 The new FCC regulation impacts the sale of wireless equipment  
 operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz band. On July 20, 2007 only products  
 that support radar detection as specified by the FCC in the  
 5.25-5.35 GHz band can be imported or marketed.  Per our  
 understanding, 5.3 GHz units which were purchased prior to July 20,  
 2007 can still be deployed and previously deployed networks that  
 utilize 5.3 GHz are grandfathered in and do not require DFS  
 upgrades after the FCC deadline. The following document on the FCC  
 website describes the rules and has additional links: http:// 
 www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct06/Oct_06- 
 DFS_Equipment_Authorization-AL.pdf

 To comply with the FCC regulation, after July 20, 2007 Trango  
 Broadband Wireless will no longer sell wireless systems in the  
 United States which operate in the 5.25-5.35 GHz bands unless the  
 system employs Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) and Transmit Power  
 Control (TPC).  Trango is working on new products which employ DFS/ 
 TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC approval is  
 obtained.

 Beginning July 20, 2007, the following Trango Broadband products  
 will still be available but will only support operation in the  
 5.725 to 5.85 GHz ISM Band:

 M5830S-AP
 M5830S-AP-EXT

 M5830S-SU

 M5830S-SU-EXT

 Atlas5010-INT

 Atlas5010-EXT

 TLINK-10

 TLINK-10-EXT

 This change will be implemented through new firmware which will be  
 pre-loaded on all units (listed above) shipping from Trango  
 starting on July 20.  The new firmware will not allow the operator  
 to select a band of operation in the 5.3 GHz band.

 The M5300S-FSU (5.3 GHz FOX SU) does not support 5.8 GHz operation  
 and will not be shipping within the United States beginning July  
 20, 2007.  We have M5300S-FSU units in stock and ready to ship if  
 you are interested in beating the July 20th deadline.  However,  
 supply is limited and stock will be allocated on a first-come-first- 
 serve basis.

 The new TrangoLINK-45 is a 45 Mbps multi-band point-to-point bridge  
 which employs DFS for legal operation in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands  
 (as well as 5.8 GHz). This product is currently undergoing FCC  
 certification and will be available for shipment in the United  
 States as soon as FCC approval is obtained. Availability date 

RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy anymoreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Brad Belton
I've heard the rumor as well, but was hoping for more concrete evidence that
the product was nearing shipment.

Agreed, Trango could develop an AP with both existing and new technology
support.  Do we really need super cheap APs?  It doesn't make much if any
difference in our business model if the AP costs $500 or $1500.  I'd rather
have a faster more able AP for $1500 than something watered down without
support for existing and new technology.

Best,


Brad


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
anymoreaftertomorrow

If I was Trango, I would add a 2nd rf card to the APs, allowing to
maintain old customers on 5.8 and adding new to the 5.4

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

Rumor has it that Trango is just waiting FCC approval for a new triband 
5ghz AP (5.3ghz, 5.4ghz and 5.8ghz). It will also have more horsepower 
than the current 5830, but still be backward compatible with existing 
SU's. Same 10Mbps bandwidth limit however.

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:
 I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is
this
 rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless
operator?

 What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual
or
 tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on
the FCC
 mantel...well done!   grin

 This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango
operators.
 The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on
the fly
 will be sorely missed.

 Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new
dual or
 tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC
certification.

 Best,


 Brad



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
 aftertomorrow

 Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
 us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy
5.3
 GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
 come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
 that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
 incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.
  
 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread George Rogato
Travis, if it was a very common problem with all your units and you know 
what needs to be replaced, there's probably a company near you that does 
board  component replacements.


I know a guy who owned a company that did just this.

If there is a lot of units and it's all the same parts you could get 
them repaired for next to nothing on a per unit basis.


You have to find the company in your area that does board component 
replacements.


George

Travis Johnson wrote:
I'm talking mainly about radios we pay around $350 each for brand 
new at $200 for repair, we have just been piling them on a shelf... 
but if we could find someone to fix them for $100, it would be worth it.


The FOX and Atlas units we just throw in the garbage. :(

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a pretty good price, 
considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools and knowledge to 
verify a proper repair.
Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost radios 900, 5830, 
APs, etc


If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell for $200 new, I'd 
agree a lower priced alternative would be needed to justify repairing.
But is that realistic to find, (for specialize proprietary radio 
equipment)?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs



Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango 
wants $200 per radio.


Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

2007-07-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

$350+

That makes sense.


FoxAtlas-
The good news for us is it has not been a big problem for us because we 
really haven't had many failed units.

I'm surprised how long they have lasted working in the field.
We keep the cases of failed ones, befor ehitting the trash bin, in case the 
clips break off one in the field.

Not that we have many units that fail.

I'm suspecting it will be more of a problem as time goes on. It would be 
nice to find a $100 repair cost, to help keep these things another 5 year in 
the air :-)



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] trango repairs


I'm talking mainly about radios we pay around $350 each for brand new 
at $200 for repair, we have just been piling them on a shelf... but if we 
could find someone to fix them for $100, it would be worth it.


The FOX and Atlas units we just throw in the garbage. :(

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a pretty good price, 
considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools and knowledge to 
verify a proper repair.
Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost radios 900, 5830, APs, 
etc


If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell for $200 new, I'd agree 
a lower priced alternative would be needed to justify repairing.
But is that realistic to find, (for specialize proprietary radio 
equipment)?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs



Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants 
$200 per radio.


Thanks,

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Bison Pro Fab

2007-07-19 Thread Jack Unger

Gino,

Well, I'd like to see it to believe it but then I would have no choice 
but to humbly respect, admire and praise any company that could 
fabricate bisons.


jack


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Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buyanymoreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

Do we really need super cheap APs?


Be careful what you say. Yes we need cheap APs. The reason is for subscriber 
relay gear (2 radios, one for subscriber, one for rebroadcast AP.)
As long as the mentality is APs are expensive, there will never be a cheap 
Relay enbaled subscriber unit (which includes an AP secondary component).


The trend with new spectrum (5.4Ghz) will be how to turn every subscriber 
into an opportunity to serve another.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't 
buyanymoreaftertomorrow



I've heard the rumor as well, but was hoping for more concrete evidence that
the product was nearing shipment.

Agreed, Trango could develop an AP with both existing and new technology
support.  Do we really need super cheap APs?  It doesn't make much if any
difference in our business model if the AP costs $500 or $1500.  I'd rather
have a faster more able AP for $1500 than something watered down without
support for existing and new technology.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
anymoreaftertomorrow

If I was Trango, I would add a 2nd rf card to the APs, allowing to
maintain old customers on 5.8 and adding new to the 5.4

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

Rumor has it that Trango is just waiting FCC approval for a new triband
5ghz AP (5.3ghz, 5.4ghz and 5.8ghz). It will also have more horsepower
than the current 5830, but still be backward compatible with existing
SU's. Same 10Mbps bandwidth limit however.

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:

I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is

this

rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless

operator?


What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual

or

tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on

the FCC

mantel...well done!   grin

This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango

operators.

The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on

the fly

will be sorely missed.

Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new

dual or

tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC

certification.


Best,


Brad



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On

Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
aftertomorrow

Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy

5.3

GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buyanymoreaftertomorrow

2007-07-19 Thread Jeromie Reeves

$1500 aps sure would hurt me. I do complete relays for less then $500
as it is (legal too!)
In a few months you will be able ot roam 100% (or very close to it) my
town on my service. I would love to have 5.3/5.4 for my short hops.
Right now 2.4 does fine but I know that will not always be the case
(even if not from interference then because I want to free it up for
more roaming capacity)

On 7/19/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do we really need super cheap APs?

Be careful what you say. Yes we need cheap APs. The reason is for subscriber
relay gear (2 radios, one for subscriber, one for rebroadcast AP.)
As long as the mentality is APs are expensive, there will never be a cheap
Relay enbaled subscriber unit (which includes an AP secondary component).

The trend with new spectrum (5.4Ghz) will be how to turn every subscriber
into an opportunity to serve another.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't
buyanymoreaftertomorrow


I've heard the rumor as well, but was hoping for more concrete evidence that
the product was nearing shipment.

Agreed, Trango could develop an AP with both existing and new technology
support.  Do we really need super cheap APs?  It doesn't make much if any
difference in our business model if the AP costs $500 or $1500.  I'd rather
have a faster more able AP for $1500 than something watered down without
support for existing and new technology.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy
anymoreaftertomorrow

If I was Trango, I would add a 2nd rf card to the APs, allowing to
maintain old customers on 5.8 and adding new to the 5.4

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any
moreaftertomorrow

Rumor has it that Trango is just waiting FCC approval for a new triband
5ghz AP (5.3ghz, 5.4ghz and 5.8ghz). It will also have more horsepower
than the current 5830, but still be backward compatible with existing
SU's. Same 10Mbps bandwidth limit however.

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:
 I could swear I detect a slight jubilation in your tone Patrick.  Is
this
 rule change really in the best interest of the UL fixed wireless
operator?

 What better excuse could Alvarion ask for in not offering an UL dual
or
 tri-band product?  Now you are comfortably able to hang your hat on
the FCC
 mantel...well done!   grin

 This rule change does come as a disappointment to many Trango
operators.
 The ability to flip between 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz in V or H polarity on
the fly
 will be sorely missed.

 Sure has been quiet on the Trango front...hopefully they have a new
dual or
 tri-band product with trusty dual polarity undergoing FCC
certification.

 Best,


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:43 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more
 aftertomorrow

 Well folks, after all this time the July 20, 2007 deadline is now upon
 us. Effective tomorrow it is illegal for all vendors to sell legacy
5.3
 GHz into the U.S. Everyone must now wait for the FCC certifications to
 come for the new gear that vendors will be building. The rules require
 that 5.3 GHz gear must now conform to the same DFS2 requirements as
 incoming 5.4 GHz product. I trust most of you are aware of this.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]








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