Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Clint Ricker
Zack,
WISPA is a trade organization...if you care what it says, then join.  It is
not a business (I'll shop there if you offer better customer service), it is
not a gym member (I'll join if you get this piece of equipment), it is a
trade organization.  It is member run, as all trade organizations are.  In
other words, to influence it, you have to be 1. a member or 2. a LARGE
external entity that is in a position to influence such things (ie the
government).

I'll also say, from experience with these sorts of organizations the money
is irrelevant.  If you are a WISP, then you should be on WISPA.  Period. In
general, you should join every and all available legitimate trade  and
business organizations--it is the cheapest way to give your company a degree
of legitimacy as a startup.  The question isn't a matter of money (if you
have been in business longer than 6 months, definitely a year, and can't
find the couple of hundred for this, then you REALLY should examine your
business model)  It is a matter of time...trade organizations are member run
and are not necessarily democratic in a traditional sense (one member, one
vote).  They are usually democratic in a merit-based sense...whoever is
willing to put forth the time and effort and steer stuff in the appropriate
direction, however, heckling from the peanut gallery (or, in your case, from
outside the stadium) is often ignored.  If you want WISPA to publish a
position, join, DO WORK (not talk), and you'd be surprised at what you get.
This is how trade organizations run...and, regardless of what your business
is, they all run the same.  The people who drive the bus determine where it
goes...

BTW, I did not name the discussion a 12 year old level because of the
content in it, but because of the lack thereof.  I called it that because it
quickly degenerated from a discussion that, while misguided in my mind,
originated as a call for an official WISPA policy of FCC certification
into a stupid chest-thumping exercise revolving around pointing fingers at
who is compliant and who is not...as continues to come up again and again
and again.  I don't recall that you were necessarily involved in that, so no
need to feel extra insulted this morning.

It is not smart to discuss matters of legal compliance on a public forum.
Period.  You do not air your industry's dirty laundry in public...  it is
unprofessional and is pretty much a no-no in any industry except,
apparently, among certain members of the independent WISP community.  Can
you imagine presidents/CEOs of manufacturing companies airing on a public
listserv who was not following EPA regulations?  Care to also publish lists
of who took questionable deductions on their IRS filings?  Where does this
stop

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies



On 9/3/07, Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John, List.. anyone else really.

 I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I
 merely
 support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
 structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
 statement  look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph
 requested.

 Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
 organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the mans
 request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying or
 creating a documents.

 I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

 Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
 Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
 Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as
 Ralph
 requested?

 If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the individual
 wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes to
 the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of
 organization is WISPA.

 I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to see
 it
 as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't
 seem
 that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything. Unless
 I'm
 seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow a
 member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be
 considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks
 like
 an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the WISPS
 it
 is supposed to, in its own Code of Ethecs Attempt to represent.

 WISPA's Goals see:http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=6

 6. Political lobbying group – Unified voice for the WISP industry

 How can this be acheived when the discussion turns to name calling and
 comparing the thoughts of others to 12 year olds.


 **
 WISPA, at least make an official statement to Ralph. Either, stating that
 WISPA, (not John), believes that WISPA' ethics statement achieves the same
 goals as Ralphs 

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does.  However, I think most of the 
people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation



See inline comments please




Behalf Of Zack Kneisley

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I
merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.


[Mac says]

I think our Code of Ethics states precisely what Ralph was looking for. 
He
was looking for something that states WISPA's position on certified -vs- 
non

certified gear I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position
paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet
the current rules and if our Code of Ethics aren't in black and white for
all to see then I will see if we can get them enlarged. I don't think it 
can

be more readily apparent than that. Producing a paper would be a total
waste of time imho. If you have trouble ciphering what we have - -another
one is not going to clarify it any better.



Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the
mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying
or
creating a documents.


[Mac says]

  I have yet to understand what anyone needs that we haven't already made
available. Our stand is in our Code of Ethics.



I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as


[Mac says]

 See above and yes. We are here for all WISPs. That means those that are
c0mpletely illegal as well as the legal and those of us who are somewhere
in-between or caught in the middle. If the statement that you are looking
for from WISPA is to state that you have to be 100% legal or you can't be 
a

member of the organization - - that will never happen, That would be like
telling us sinners that we aren't welcome at church. We are a lobbying
organization and we are here to lobby whoever we can to make the changes
that we see needed to make our jobs as WISPs more successful. We have 
never

had anyone to step up to the plate for us like we do at WISPA. No one has
ever presented anything to the FCC on your (and every other WISP) behalf,
but WISPA. We have made many trips to DC right out of our own back pockets
because it affects us too. The truth of the matter is that the more of us
there are all gathered under one umbrella - - the louder our voice in DC 
and
the bigger impact we will have on this industry. We have the opportunity 
to
shape it into a more formidable playing field for the mom  pop shop that 
so

many of us are today.

We are not a police agency and we are not a reporting agency. If you 
aren't

filling out your form 477 then I (and the rest of the board) will urge you
to do so. If you aren't running FCC certified gear then I (and the rest of
the board) will urge you to get working on that too. If you choose not to
fill out your form 477 then we will attempt to educate you as to why you
need to be doing this. If you aren't using FCC certified gear then we will
attempt to educate you as to your advantage of following through with this
task as well.

We are friends with the FCC, FBI, Homeland Security as well with our
individual Congressmen and Senators. We are on the same side they are and
are all about being legal, promoting legal gear and being professionals 
at
what we do. I have yet to figure out where anyone came up with the idea 
that

we were anything different than that!!

That's all I have to say about that! :-) (Forest - Forest Gump)


Mac Dearman




Ralph
requested?

If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the
individual
wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes
to
the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of
organization is WISPA.

I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to
see it
as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't
seem
that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything.
Unless I'm
seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow
a
member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be
considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks
like
an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the
WISPS it
is 

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Rick Harnish
Zack and Ralph,

The WISPA Board encourages all members to help develop our Association.  As
you know the WISPA Board is made up of WISP Operators just like yourself and
I'm sure you know how precious our time is.  When we go to the FCC with an
idea, we have to write a document requesting a change in policy.  The FCC is
not going to do our job for us.  I suggest you will both be much more
successful in your pleas for a Policy Stance Doctrine on the use of FCC
certified equipment, if you type a formal request and suggested text for
this stance and submit it to the board for either a Board vote or a Member
vote.  

Respectfully,
Rick Harnish


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zack Kneisley
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.

Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying or
creating a documents.

I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as Ralph
requested?

If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the individual
wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes to
the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of
organization is WISPA.

I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to see it
as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't seem
that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything. Unless I'm
seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow a
member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be
considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks like
an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the WISPS it
is supposed to, in its own Code of Ethecs Attempt to represent.

WISPA's Goals see:http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=6

6. Political lobbying group – Unified voice for the WISP industry

How can this be acheived when the discussion turns to name calling and
comparing the thoughts of others to 12 year olds.


**
WISPA, at least make an official statement to Ralph. Either, stating that
WISPA, (not John), believes that WISPA' ethics statement achieves the same
goals as Ralphs request, or, that WISPA is just plain rejecting the idea -
with an explanation why..

**

Now, can you understand why their are people that would passionately get
behind WISPA, if only an adult discussion, debate, and decision be made.
Where is the leadership that makes these calls.. who makes these decisions?

I'm sorry for obvious grammatical mistakes and typos, 4:00 AM comes fast.

Zack



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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread JohnnyO
Part-15 did NOT do the same things WISPA does. Part-15 lead it's membership 
to believe it was for the INDUSTRY when all Part-15 did was to line it's own 
pockets for PERSONAL GAIN. I do not see the same thing here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation


Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does.  However, I think most of 
the people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation



See inline comments please




Behalf Of Zack Kneisley

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I
merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.


[Mac says]

I think our Code of Ethics states precisely what Ralph was looking for. 
He
was looking for something that states WISPA's position on certified -vs- 
non

certified gear I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position
paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet
the current rules and if our Code of Ethics aren't in black and white 
for
all to see then I will see if we can get them enlarged. I don't think it 
can

be more readily apparent than that. Producing a paper would be a total
waste of time imho. If you have trouble ciphering what we have - -another
one is not going to clarify it any better.



Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the
mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying
or
creating a documents.


[Mac says]

  I have yet to understand what anyone needs that we haven't already made
available. Our stand is in our Code of Ethics.



I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as


[Mac says]

 See above and yes. We are here for all WISPs. That means those that are
c0mpletely illegal as well as the legal and those of us who are somewhere
in-between or caught in the middle. If the statement that you are looking
for from WISPA is to state that you have to be 100% legal or you can't be 
a

member of the organization - - that will never happen, That would be like
telling us sinners that we aren't welcome at church. We are a lobbying
organization and we are here to lobby whoever we can to make the changes
that we see needed to make our jobs as WISPs more successful. We have 
never

had anyone to step up to the plate for us like we do at WISPA. No one has
ever presented anything to the FCC on your (and every other WISP) behalf,
but WISPA. We have made many trips to DC right out of our own back 
pockets

because it affects us too. The truth of the matter is that the more of us
there are all gathered under one umbrella - - the louder our voice in DC 
and
the bigger impact we will have on this industry. We have the opportunity 
to
shape it into a more formidable playing field for the mom  pop shop that 
so

many of us are today.

We are not a police agency and we are not a reporting agency. If you 
aren't
filling out your form 477 then I (and the rest of the board) will urge 
you
to do so. If you aren't running FCC certified gear then I (and the rest 
of

the board) will urge you to get working on that too. If you choose not to
fill out your form 477 then we will attempt to educate you as to why you
need to be doing this. If you aren't using FCC certified gear then we 
will
attempt to educate you as to your advantage of following through with 
this

task as well.

We are friends with the FCC, FBI, Homeland Security as well with our
individual Congressmen and Senators. We are on the same side they are and
are all about being legal, promoting legal gear and being professionals 
at
what we do. I have yet to figure out where anyone came up with the idea 
that

we were anything different than that!!

That's all I have to say about that! :-) (Forest - Forest Gump)


Mac Dearman




Ralph
requested?

If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the
individual
wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes
to
the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of
organization is WISPA.

I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to
see it
as an 

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
This was in reference to the FCC trips, which I certainly remember from 
before WISPA was formed.


I don't really see either orgranization doing anything else.  Not that I'm 
saying they should be doing something else, but that's all I see that either 
organization has done (or is doing).



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation


Part-15 did NOT do the same things WISPA does. Part-15 lead it's 
membership to believe it was for the INDUSTRY when all Part-15 did was to 
line it's own pockets for PERSONAL GAIN. I do not see the same thing here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation


Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does.  However, I think most of 
the people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation



See inline comments please




Behalf Of Zack Kneisley

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I
merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  look at our code of ethics does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.


[Mac says]

I think our Code of Ethics states precisely what Ralph was looking 
for. He
was looking for something that states WISPA's position on certified -vs- 
non
certified gear I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a 
position
paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to 
meet
the current rules and if our Code of Ethics aren't in black and white 
for
all to see then I will see if we can get them enlarged. I don't think it 
can

be more readily apparent than that. Producing a paper would be a total
waste of time imho. If you have trouble ciphering what we 
have - -another

one is not going to clarify it any better.



Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly represents all wisps to entertain the
mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying
or
creating a documents.


[Mac says]

  I have yet to understand what anyone needs that we haven't already 
made

available. Our stand is in our Code of Ethics.



I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as


[Mac says]

 See above and yes. We are here for all WISPs. That means those that are
c0mpletely illegal as well as the legal and those of us who are 
somewhere
in-between or caught in the middle. If the statement that you are 
looking
for from WISPA is to state that you have to be 100% legal or you can't 
be a
member of the organization - - that will never happen, That would be 
like

telling us sinners that we aren't welcome at church. We are a lobbying
organization and we are here to lobby whoever we can to make the changes
that we see needed to make our jobs as WISPs more successful. We have 
never
had anyone to step up to the plate for us like we do at WISPA. No one 
has
ever presented anything to the FCC on your (and every other WISP) 
behalf,
but WISPA. We have made many trips to DC right out of our own back 
pockets
because it affects us too. The truth of the matter is that the more of 
us
there are all gathered under one umbrella - - the louder our voice in DC 
and
the bigger impact we will have on this industry. We have the opportunity 
to
shape it into a more formidable playing field for the mom  pop shop 
that so

many of us are today.

We are not a police agency and we are not a reporting agency. If you 
aren't
filling out your form 477 then I (and the rest of the board) will urge 
you
to do so. If you aren't running FCC certified gear then I (and the rest 
of
the board) will urge you to get working on that too. If you choose not 
to

fill out your form 477 then we will attempt to educate you as to why you
need to be doing this. If you aren't using FCC certified gear then we 
will
attempt to educate you as to your advantage of following through with 
this

task as well.

We are friends with the FCC, FBI, Homeland Security as well with our
individual Congressmen and Senators. We are on the same side they are 
and
are all about being legal, promoting legal 

[WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I have been contacted by more than one entity wanting me to sell Internet 
service to a McDonalds location.  Both claim to really be the one that their 
client (McDonalds, their hotspot aggregator, etc.) prefers to work with.

Does anyone know what really is going on here, perhaps experiences you have had 
in providing service to a McDonalds?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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[WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Jason

Gang,

   I have started having trouble with my customers email getting 
bounced because other
servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my 
domain because my
network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).  
Does anyone
know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to 
change
it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).  
If I have to
work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI, 
they are
ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who 
handles
the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because 
the IP

is not in their IP address space.

Jason


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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Mark Nash
You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, probably
your immediate upstream provider.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles


 Gang,

 I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
 bounced because other
 servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
 domain because my
 network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
 Does anyone
 know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
 change
 it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
 If I have to
 work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
 they are
 ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
 handles
 the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
 the IP
 is not in their IP address space.

 Jason
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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Graham McIntire
A quicker workaround than convincing your IP provider to set the
reverse for you would be to use a remotely dedicated or co-located
server (or even a cheaper virtual server) to bounce all of your
outgoing and incoming mail through.  That way you could set up
something like mta.yourdomain.com forward and reverse, which all mail
will pass through both incoming and out to make the overzealous spam
filters pass the mail.

Graham

On 9/4/07, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gang,

 I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
 bounced because other
 servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
 domain because my
 network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
 Does anyone
 know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
 change
 it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
 If I have to
 work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
 they are
 ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
 handles
 the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
 the IP
 is not in their IP address space.

 Jason
 

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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Clint Ricker
To see who is authoritative for the address space, run a whois on the
addresses in question...

If they can't/won't help you (which, given the non-standard connection you
seem to be using, is a real possibility), then you're best off running email
and such services either on a colocated basis or an outsourced basis.

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 9/4/07, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space,
 probably
 your immediate upstream provider.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax

 - Original Message -
 From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles


  Gang,
 
  I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
  bounced because other
  servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
  domain because my
  network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
  Does anyone
  know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
  change
  it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
  If I have to
  work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
  they are
  ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
  handles
  the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
  the IP
  is not in their IP address space.
 
  Jason
 
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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread David E. Smith

Jason wrote:


Does anyone
know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to 
change
it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).  


The best way would be to get your upstream to change their reverse 
DNS. (They're the only ones who can do it.)


Failing that, get someone, somewhere else, to handle email for you; tell 
your local mail server to use this mythical other mail server as a 
smarthost, who can make that change. If your users don't send out that 
much email, this should be fairly cheap (on the order of ten or twenty 
bucks a month).


David Smith
MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Jason




I was afraid of that. These satellite guys are kind of like an onion.
There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to work with or
where to go.

The ip address space is "owned" by a company that is three or four
layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on the
other end).

Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)? I
hate to get that cheesy anyway

Can you tell I'm desperate?!

Jason

Mark Nash wrote:

  You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, probably
your immediate upstream provider.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles


  
  
Gang,

I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
bounced because other
servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
domain because my
network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
Does anyone
know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
change
it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
If I have to
work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
they are
ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
handles
the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
the IP
is not in their IP address space.

Jason
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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread David E. Smith

Jason wrote:

The ip address space is owned by a company that is three or four 
layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on the 
other end).


Unless they've properly delegated reverse DNS (and it sounds like they 
haven't) you'll either have to work your way up the chain, or get 
someone else to shuffle your outgoing email.


Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)?  I hate 
to get that cheesy anyway


Sadly, that's just not how it works. Forward DNS and reverse DNS are 
conceptually the same, and from a technical standpoint just about the 
same, but from a managerial perspective (zone roots and who gets what 
parts sub-delegated) they're two different monsters entirely.


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MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Clint Ricker
Well, sure.  Either get your mail server on IP space that does have RDNS
entries that you can get correctly set or route (via smarthost options)
through providers that do.

On 9/4/07, Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, sure.  Either get your mail server on IP space that does have RDNS
 entries that you can get correctly set or route (via smarthost options)
 through providers that do.


 On 9/4/07, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I was afraid of that.  These satellite guys are kind of like an onion.
  There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to work with or where
  to go.
 
  The ip address space is owned by a company that is three or four
  layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on the
  other end).
 
  Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)?  I hate
  to get that cheesy anyway
 
  Can you tell I'm desperate?!
 
  Jason
 
  Mark Nash wrote:
 
  You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, probably
  your immediate upstream provider.
 
  Mark Nash
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
 
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles
 
 
 
 
   Gang,
 
  I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
  bounced because other
  servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
  domain because my
  network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
 
  Does anyone
  know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
  change
  it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
  If I have to
  work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
 
  they are
  ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
  handles
  the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
 
  the IP
  is not in their IP address space.
 
  Jason
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Re: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Frank Muto
It could depend if you are talking about a franchisee or corp store. Wayport 
from what I remember took the prize back in 2004 and beyond to provide 
Wi-Fi. That's who we bucked up against back then. Working with McD's is 
never easy, even with inside help.





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President
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To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: [WISPA] McDonalds


I have been contacted by more than one entity wanting me to sell Internet 
service to a McDonalds location.  Both claim to really be the one that 
their client (McDonalds, their hotspot aggregator, etc.) prefers to work 
with.


Does anyone know what really is going on here, perhaps experiences you 
have had in providing service to a McDonalds?



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Re: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Joe Miller
Once you figure out what they require, it's not so
bad. they require 5 static IP addresses per location.
The bandwidth requirement is 384k down / 128k up. It
is a good steady cash flow once you do a few of them.
--- Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It could depend if you are talking about a
 franchisee or corp store. Wayport 
 from what I remember took the prize back in 2004 and
 beyond to provide 
 Wi-Fi. That's who we bucked up against back then.
 Working with McD's is 
 never easy, even with inside help.
 
 
 
 
 Frank Muto
 President
 FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
 Postini Gold Partner
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:05 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] McDonalds
 
 
 I have been contacted by more than one entity
 wanting me to sell Internet 
 service to a McDonalds location.  Both claim to
 really be the one that 
 their client (McDonalds, their hotspot aggregator,
 etc.) prefers to work 
 with.
 
  Does anyone know what really is going on here,
 perhaps experiences you 
  have had in providing service to a McDonalds?
 
 
  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 


 
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[WISPA] I didn't even know we left...

2007-09-04 Thread David E. Smith
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6952362.stm

Internet campaigners have prompted chocolate giant Cadbury to bring back
its defunct Wispa bar.

The brand vanished from UK shelves four years ago amid declining sales and
was replaced with Dairy Milk Bubbles.

But online petitions and campaigns on social networking websites have been
calling for Cadbury to think again.

The firm, which has its main factory in Birmingham, has agreed to relaunch
the Wispa for a limited period and 23m bars will be available from
October.



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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Ryan Langseth
Since you are on their network, I would simply relay the email  
through their server,  the lookup will be sent through for server  
which should have a proper rDNS, you may need to set an SPF record  
for the mail server, but that should work  ( I have done it like that  
on a dynamic IP before)



On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jason wrote:

I was afraid of that.  These satellite guys are kind of like an  
onion.  There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to  
work with or where to go.


The ip address space is owned by a company that is three or four  
layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on  
the other end).


Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)?  I  
hate to get that cheesy anyway


Can you tell I'm desperate?!

Jason

Mark Nash wrote:
You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space,  
probably your immediate upstream provider. Mark Nash  
UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http:// 
www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message  
- From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA  
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04,  
2007 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles
Gang, I have started having trouble with my customers email  
getting bounced because other servers are checking the reverse  
dns, which fails to resolve to my domain because my network is  
served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural). Does  
anyone know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my  
upstream they need to change it to resolve to my domain (which  
may be hard to get to happen.). If I have to work with my  
upstream, how should I go about this / approach it. FYI, they are  
ses-americom.com. The company I purchased the domain through and  
who handles the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can  
not help me because the IP is not in their IP address space.  
Jason  
 
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Re: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Someone else I know is selling them 2 megs.  I would feel kinda bad selling 
384 k to a hotspot.



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Once you figure out what they require, it's not so
bad. they require 5 static IP addresses per location.
The bandwidth requirement is 384k down / 128k up. It
is a good steady cash flow once you do a few of them.
--- Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It could depend if you are talking about a
franchisee or corp store. Wayport
from what I remember took the prize back in 2004 and
beyond to provide
Wi-Fi. That's who we bucked up against back then.
Working with McD's is
never easy, even with inside help.




Frank Muto
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FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Gold Partner



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Subject: [WISPA] McDonalds


I have been contacted by more than one entity
wanting me to sell Internet
service to a McDonalds location.  Both claim to
really be the one that
their client (McDonalds, their hotspot aggregator,
etc.) prefers to work
with.

 Does anyone know what really is going on here,
perhaps experiences you
 have had in providing service to a McDonalds?


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RE: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Joe

Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to
see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like
it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do
orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee
houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And
every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe

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Someone else I know is selling them 2 megs.  I would feel kinda bad selling 
384 k to a hotspot.






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Re: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Steve Stroh
The Internet connectivity for a McDonald's (and other national retail
operations) typically isn't used solely for Wi-Fi hotspots; often they
use it for internal operations too, like employee training videos.

Thanks,

Steve

On 9/4/07, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to
 see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like
 it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do
 orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee
 houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And
 every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe


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RE: [WISPA] McDonalds

2007-09-04 Thread Joe
Yes, I assumed that was the case. Around here they have a T-1 going to each
store. I was commenting on the wi-fi part of the usage not being used. Now
that I am thinking about it last time I tried to access one outside there
was a charge for it. Joe

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The Internet connectivity for a McDonald's (and other national retail
operations) typically isn't used solely for Wi-Fi hotspots; often they use
it for internal operations too, like employee training videos.

Thanks,

Steve

On 9/4/07, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet 
 to see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. 
 Seems like it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or 
 salesmen to do orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the 
 majority of the coffee houses where I have my internet machines there 
 is standing room only. And every table has a laptop open connected to 
 my A/P there. Joe


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