RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Scottie: We did a U.S. Cellular repeating solution for a company here in North Carolina. We are authorized partners of Spotwave and were one of the first companies to deploy in North Carolina. The product has been pretty much hands off since day one (almost three years now). The client went from zero service inside their facility to 5 bars. I'm not going to masquerade the fact; it was a little on the expensive side by any measure but you are dealing with a FCC Licensed frequency; we put in 1 donor unit and 2 repeaters. I will be glad to give you a reference if you want to talk directly to a customer that uses it. We are extremely happy with the Spotwave product line and would not hesitate to deploy it again should it be required. The only thing is you only buy one carrier freq per unit; so you have three carriers you want to enhance; you will have three donor units and repeaters. It me offlist if you want more... -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango
Hi, I am buying any used, working Trango radios (5.3ghz, 5.8ghz, 900mhz, 2.4ghz) that you may want to sell. Please contact me off list. Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
Our local bank is set up that way too. All card numbers are stored off site. Not sure if we can send an invoice to them though, they get the notice in their cc statement. marlon - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services BofA resells Cybersource. I find the subscription interface to be a GREAT method of billing customers. I just set them up as a monthly bill @ whatever amount with whatever the setup fee is. The system bills the customer for you each month and emails them an invoice that you can customize. It also emails the customer when their card is about to expire. I check the system once a month or so to see what customers cards have expired or failed. The best part is that I don't have to store any credit cards onsite. This reduces my liability and places it in BofAs hands. ryan On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I go through my local bank. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Merchant Services I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
I've looked into it. Not done so yet but I keep thinking it would be cool to try something like that with a yagi going back to the main tower and an omni, or even another yagi, for local service. I keep thinking about putting a booster setup like that in my car too. grin I've seen dual band setups. marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
http://www.wi-ex.com/ A kid that works for me used one of these and a 13db yagi. Works great. c ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Have a look at this link. I think you'll find this to be what you seek. It's very straight forward and non-technical. http://www.mycellularsolutions.com/Inbuilding.html -Mark Williams On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 01:15 -0500, Scottie Arnett wrote: Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need wireless service
I need to find a wireless provider for the following area: Lake Panasoffkee, FL 33538 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=6545+West+State+Road+44,+Lake+Panasoffkee,+FL+33538sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=60.032659,105.820313ie=UTF8ll=28.847982,-82.21344spn=0.065857,0.10334z=13om=1 We are willing to build a small tower, if needed to get the backhaul link to work. Hit me off list if you have service near there. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
I am wondering. If you put in a repeater... can you charge a roaming fee to the provider/subscriber? ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Scottie: We did a U.S. Cellular repeating solution for a company here in North Carolina. We are authorized partners of Spotwave and were one of the first companies to deploy in North Carolina. The product has been pretty much hands off since day one (almost three years now). The client went from zero service inside their facility to 5 bars. I'm not going to masquerade the fact; it was a little on the expensive side by any measure but you are dealing with a FCC Licensed frequency; we put in 1 donor unit and 2 repeaters. I will be glad to give you a reference if you want to talk directly to a customer that uses it. We are extremely happy with the Spotwave product line and would not hesitate to deploy it again should it be required. The only thing is you only buy one carrier freq per unit; so you have three carriers you want to enhance; you will have three donor units and repeaters. It me offlist if you want more... -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
My father-in-law lives in Northern Idaho completely off-grid. He uses this little device for his home phone: http://www.coolproductz.com/ You plug your Cell-phone into it and it becomes a little CO for your home. You plug the device into any of your home phone wires (as long as you are not connected to the telco) and then all of the normal handsets plugged into the phone wiring in your house can dial out via the cell phone. My FIL has a yagi attached to his cell-socket to boost the gain to the nearest cell tower, about 18 miles away. We have one in our ambulance so the medics can use a normal wired princess handset while performing patient care. (You would be amazed at how much anxiety a high tech piece of equipment like a cell phone can bring to the average firefighter/Medic!) The neighboring fire district runs a 900Mhz portable phone so they can bring it into homes with them. This device does not support fax or modems from what I can tell. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. I've looked into it. Not done so yet but I keep thinking it would be cool to try something like that with a yagi going back to the main tower and an omni, or even another yagi, for local service. I keep thinking about putting a booster setup like that in my car too. grin I've seen dual band setups. marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today!
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Glad I could help... I'm not saying you can't do it with some other solution (unlicensed) but you best be prepared for the consequences if the cell provider gets wind of...They have spent millions of dollars in their infrastructure and don't think for one minute they would not haul your company to court over something like that. As a matter a fact; when I was doing my first authorized deployment with Spotwave; we had a conference call with US Cellular and even though Spotwave was an authorized system on the US Cellular network; the engineers would not give us coordinates or even identify the location of the tower we were trying to repeat... They claimed it was proprietary and a trade secret... and gave us NO assistance with anything. They also told us if they had one complaint about this equipment causing a problem; they would come shut it down. We had to give them contacts for the building where the equipment was. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You!
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Ralph: While I appreciate your position; and I am all about protecting the spectrum and legalities; you don't have to keep beating this horse to death... Let it go already.. Thanks, Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
In my area, there are a lot of people who have phones with external antenna connectors. A lot of them have a 8-13db yagi outside, mounted high, with a cable run and pigtail to connect to their phone. Verzion and Centennial, while not exactly happy about it, do provide the needed info to get it working. Else the user will quit... Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Glad I could help... I'm not saying you can't do it with some other solution (unlicensed) but you best be prepared for the consequences if the cell provider gets wind of...They have spent millions of dollars in their infrastructure and don't think for one minute they would not haul your company to court over something like that. As a matter a fact; when I was doing my first authorized deployment with Spotwave; we had a conference call with US Cellular and even though Spotwave was an authorized system on the US Cellular network; the engineers would not give us coordinates or even identify the location of the tower we were trying to repeat... They claimed it was "proprietary" and a trade secret... and gave us NO assistance with anything. They also told us if they had one complaint about this equipment causing a problem; they would come shut it down. We had to give them contacts for the building where the equipment was. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Okay, this guy needs to go... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Their tower locations are public knowledge with the FCC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ty Carter Lightwave Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Glad I could help... I'm not saying you can't do it with some other solution (unlicensed) but you best be prepared for the consequences if the cell provider gets wind of...They have spent millions of dollars in their infrastructure and don't think for one minute they would not haul your company to court over something like that. As a matter a fact; when I was doing my first authorized deployment with Spotwave; we had a conference call with US Cellular and even though Spotwave was an authorized system on the US Cellular network; the engineers would not give us coordinates or even identify the location of the tower we were trying to repeat... They claimed it was proprietary and a trade secret... and gave us NO assistance with anything. They also told us if they had one complaint about this equipment causing a problem; they would come shut it down. We had to give them contacts for the building where the equipment was. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. (RICK)
Ralph, I think I will forward Harnish your email since it is obvious you are trolling for trouble. My recommendation is going to be to expel you from the list. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Sorry for the incontinence displayed by Ralph guys. We will maintain a civil list here and will not tolerate trolling for trouble to this degree. Sorry again, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Okay, this guy needs to go... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
External antennas are a whole nother ball of wax. The repeaters have bunches of rules to go by. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. In my area, there are a lot of people who have phones with external antenna connectors. A lot of them have a 8-13db yagi outside, mounted high, with a cable run and pigtail to connect to their phone. Verzion and Centennial, while not exactly happy about it, do provide the needed info to get it working. Else the user will quit... rchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Ralph - you need to just learn how to keep your mouth shut sometimes. I don't care if I get banned or not, but your posts and tone towards others on this list has become absolutely annoying. You are responsible for many on this list not posting at all anymore. I don't know who the hell you THINK you are but what have YOU done for this industry ? What have you done for WISPA ? What have you done for this public list other then make it a less enjoyable place for others since you been around ? It's easy for someon to come on here and blab their mouth and make the arrogant/obnoxious comments as you do at times when they don't do CRAP for this organization or this industry. You are one of those that is out for yourself. Your posts are meaningless to me at this point and I am not the only one who has this opinion. I don't appreciate how you bash others with your petty posts about compliance or non-compliance, like you are 1 step above the ones that are either half way compliant or not compliant. Your motorola radios are FCC Certified but they also TRASH any useable band they operate in ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Almost ANY non-compliant equipment builders out there operate systems that are much more co-location friendly, they allow multiple people in the areas to operate on the same frequencies. Stick a pipe in it already Compliant systems Do me and 100s of others a favor and go do some work, keep your mouth shut unless you have something valuable to share. Apparently you have MUCH too much time on your hands. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Thanks for the useful information about Cell Phone Repeaters. No thanks for the non-related information. This thread is now CLOSED. Any more onlist responses to it will be forwarded to the list moderator and the contributors will be suspended from the list. NEW SUBJECT! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)]
My recommendation is we should take John Scriv's note with serious and sincerety. I recommend that someone near Barbara give her a customer service inquiry phone call and ask her is their anything that we can do better in the future and how can we get her back. Here is why: The recent big GSA contract will offer some of the WISPA members an opportunity to provide services to the US federal government. Therefore it makes sense to find out why Barbara chose the satellite services instead of WiSP type service. Furthermore some WiSP also offer satellite so it will be a good learning experience from a cutomer. Those are my most humble recommendations. Felix Utilities and Wireless Practioneer Bay Area California --- JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John - Sir - I am sorry - this was all my fault. My dog got killed the morning the Post Office called in with trouble. When I finished scraping the puppy off of the road, my hamster came down with pink eye and I had to see to it he was brought into the vet for quick care. DOH ! - John - cut back on the booze :) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Dan Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)] Guys, How did we lose this account? Is our service so bad in Bonnie that satellite is a better option? This is not a rhetorical question. I want to know how we could lose this account. Scriv Original Message Subject: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: Wireless Problem Please disconnect Bonnie Post Office/Barbara Fetch, they have went with Satellite ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)]
Felix A. Lopez wrote: My recommendation is we should take John Scriv's note with serious and sincerety. Turns out this is basically a non-issue anyway. The postmaster there very much wanted to keep our service, but was told by the folks above her that the USPS is standardizing on a specific satellite service for all their rural locations, at least in this area. (One of our installers tried to sell another post office about fifteen miles away, and was told the same thing - someone in the USPS loves satellite.) It makes sense, from the government's point of view - WISPs don't have 100% coverage. I know of at least one other post office in our area that we can't service, and (as far as I know) neither can any other local WISP. Satellite may be slow and expensive, but you can't beat the coverage area. Meanwhile, since the Postal Service is getting hundreds (or thousands, maybe) of locations set up, I'm sure they negotiated a sweetheart price. David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_hi_te/internet_fees_justice_department Comments? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Be careful what you wish for. What happens when your upstream say that your traffic goes to the bottom of queue unless you pay an extra $x,xxx.xx per moth? Will that make your customers happy? Can you afford an extra charge to make sure that your address space is in the fast lane? The biggest problem I see here is that I buy service from provider A who is peering with provider B. I pay for the super fast connection from provider A because they are my upstream. I am trying to access a server on provider B. Provider A is not on the fast lane with provider B because they did not want to pay the extra charge. So in the long run my paying provider A for faster access is a waste for anything not on their network. Now imagine this scenario if your traffic crosses 6 different networks to get to its final designation. I see companies like Google having a cow and buying the entire internet so they can control access from end to end. They have already threatened to do this. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic All for it and I think the postal service analogy a good one. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_hi_te/internet_fees_justice_department Comments? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e051c3315731768243261;!DSPAM:16,46e051c3315731768243261!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Sam Tetherow wrote: All for it and I think the postal service analogy a good one. Not really. With the USPS, there's only one outfit handling your mail: the USPS. An Internet packet can pass through a half-dozen different companies' networks between endpoints. This is the equivalent of your Express Mail package from California to New York being delayed because you didn't pay extra to the truck driver in Iowa. David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
No different than if my provider says my rate goes up at the end of the month. I hold them to the contract that I signed and if my contract is up I shop around for another provider. You example would be the same as if A and B were not peered so if it was that crucial to have fast access to B you would find someone with a better 'peering' to B for your connection. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jory Privett wrote: Be careful what you wish for. What happens when your upstream say that your traffic goes to the bottom of queue unless you pay an extra $x,xxx.xx per moth? Will that make your customers happy? Can you afford an extra charge to make sure that your address space is in the fast lane? The biggest problem I see here is that I buy service from provider A who is peering with provider B. I pay for the super fast connection from provider A because they are my upstream. I am trying to access a server on provider B. Provider A is not on the fast lane with provider B because they did not want to pay the extra charge. So in the long run my paying provider A for faster access is a waste for anything not on their network. Now imagine this scenario if your traffic crosses 6 different networks to get to its final designation. I see companies like Google having a cow and buying the entire internet so they can control access from end to end. They have already threatened to do this. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic All for it and I think the postal service analogy a good one. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_hi_te/internet_fees_justice_department Comments? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e051c3315731768243261;/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e05a9b43367888450014;!DSPAM:16,46e05a9b43367888450014!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
Mike Hammett wrote: I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? If you are a Costco member, their processing is dirt cheap... If you pay the extra for the premium membership, then it's even better (no statement fees, no app fee, etc). -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
When I listened to the FTC's Net Neutrality debate, both sides made sense. One side was the content providers and the other side was the connectivity providers. Content didn't want to pay, and connectivity was looking for payment for the use of their network. I just want to know, where do I send the bill to? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
I signed up for an authorize.net account via e-online data using powernoc as the referral. I can't stand their product, but they have fantastic rates on the merchant accounts :) https://www.e-onlinedata.com/powernoc Graham On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Jory Privett wrote: Be careful what you wish for. What happens when your upstream say that your traffic goes to the bottom of queue unless you pay an extra $x,xxx.xx per moth? Will that make your customers happy? Can you afford an extra charge to make sure that your address space is in the fast lane? I expect that 99% of the web traffic will continue exactly as it is The whole point of this is that customers are more and more demanding QoS guarantees that are almost impossible to produce without being able to charge more for them, and for some applications are required. I'll give you an example VoIP. In order for it to work well, VoIP packets need to be given priority. Unfortunately if you don't charge extra for this priority traffic, then a certain segment of your customer base will figure out how to tag *all* of their packets for priority use. Gaming would be another example. During peak usage times, gamers suffer since latency goes up slightly just because links are in use. If the gamer (or a large gaming server) wants to pay extra for a latency guarantee (delivered by prioritizing packets ahead of others), then so be it. It is extremely costly to provide a network which will provide *at all times* extremely low latency and jitter for *all* traffic. What most providers want to be able to do is to say to customers, if a little added jitter and latency during peak times is unacceptable, then pay us extra for that traffic and we will guarantee that it will be put at the first of the line. If you don't pay us extra, your experience will continue to be about what it is today. -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Ok so I pay you the extra to guarantee a certain minimum latency. I if I am connecting to a server on another network how will you provide that? You can not set the QoS for someone else's network much less 3 or 4 of them that my traffic has to cross to get to is final destination. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic Jory Privett wrote: Be careful what you wish for. What happens when your upstream say that your traffic goes to the bottom of queue unless you pay an extra $x,xxx.xx per moth? Will that make your customers happy? Can you afford an extra charge to make sure that your address space is in the fast lane? I expect that 99% of the web traffic will continue exactly as it is The whole point of this is that customers are more and more demanding QoS guarantees that are almost impossible to produce without being able to charge more for them, and for some applications are required. I'll give you an example VoIP. In order for it to work well, VoIP packets need to be given priority. Unfortunately if you don't charge extra for this priority traffic, then a certain segment of your customer base will figure out how to tag *all* of their packets for priority use. Gaming would be another example. During peak usage times, gamers suffer since latency goes up slightly just because links are in use. If the gamer (or a large gaming server) wants to pay extra for a latency guarantee (delivered by prioritizing packets ahead of others), then so be it. It is extremely costly to provide a network which will provide *at all times* extremely low latency and jitter for *all* traffic. What most providers want to be able to do is to say to customers, if a little added jitter and latency during peak times is unacceptable, then pay us extra for that traffic and we will guarantee that it will be put at the first of the line. If you don't pay us extra, your experience will continue to be about what it is today. -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] redline
Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] redline
The maximum transmit power allowed on my units is 18dBm. The receive sensitivity all depends on what UBR your currently at. When I was aiming them I was able to achieve 54mb at -85 ish. This is with 1ft panels going about 1.5 miles. -Eric Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Where is it that people don't think content providers pay? Did I miss something where google is getting a free net connection? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: When I listened to the FTC's Net Neutrality debate, both sides made sense. One side was the content providers and the other side was the connectivity providers. Content didn't want to pay, and connectivity was looking for payment for the use of their network. I just want to know, where do I send the bill to? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e06407106621513398925;!DSPAM:16,46e06407106621513398925!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
However, the agency said it will continue to monitor and enforce any anticompetitive conduct to ensure a competitive broadband marketplace. SURE Just like they did the telcos when we could get access to the lines to offer DSL. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_hi_te/internet_fees_justice_depart ment Comments? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2106 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Wow guys. Didn't mean to cause a rukus. Anyways, thanks to everyone that constructively replied on and off list. The boat dock sits down in a hollow and the reception is terrible. 1 bar in most places if you hold your head just right. Wilson told us how to put our phone in service mode to show the dB of the signal and it was around -93dB on the dock. They said we needed it at least around -80dB or better. On the hill above the dock, we raised up about 35ft in our bucket truck and got -78dB or so; therefore, they will need a tower put up. The dock is about 200ft LOS from the top of the hill and Wilson says that their product will reach about 250ft radius. They are planning on using a yagi to pick up the signal and an omni to repeat it. Equipment pricing is going to be in the $2000 to $3000 range from Wilson. I want to buy this from a reputable company and make sure that it is legal. I thought some of you guys may have done this type of work before and could offer me some other alternatives or suggestions? Wilson says they can't be for sure that it will work good at the dock because it is very near the reach of their equipment. We have already spoke with Verizon and they do not have a problem with it as long as its done within legal limits. Another dock about 3 miles up the lake already has a Wilson system installed and working, but they had a better receive signal than the dock I am working on. Yea Charles, this is a nice boat dock with some $300,000+ house boats at it. They are building a floating restaurant and have poured over a half mil into it already and its not 3/4 of the way done. The repeater is to provide service inside this restaurant and the houseboats around it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
I think ISPs should be free to do this to end users, but definately not on the backbone or wholesale services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_hi_te/internet_fees_justice_department Comments? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
So connectivity providers are hurting themselves through competition and are trying to find new ways to make money. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic When I listened to the FTC's Net Neutrality debate, both sides made sense. One side was the content providers and the other side was the connectivity providers. Content didn't want to pay, and connectivity was looking for payment for the use of their network. I just want to know, where do I send the bill to? ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Ralph, I have placed you on moderation. I will approve or disapprove all of your posts to this public list. I expect your cooperation in this matter. By the way, we did make a change to Article 2 of the Code of Ethics this morning in our board meeting in response to your pleas. I'm sure it isn't enough to satisfy you but it is the best we can do at this time. WISPA represents all WISPs and will seek to guide them into compliance through various means. This will be continued discussion with the FCC on rule modification, pressuring vendors to certify all systems and hardware and educating the members on the importance of certification. This will not be a quick process and may take years to accomplish. I hope you realize that your comments are driving more people away from WISPA than they are educating. Please keep your comments and discussions civil. While you may be completely legal with your compliance, your tact and lack of politeness on the list is disgraceful, thus in my opinion, you are no better than any non-compliant WISP in our fold. If you want to be perceived as a professional then you need to start acting professional. I have not moderated your posts on the member's only list as it is a private list. However, I expect the same degree of proper decorum on that list as well. Respectfully, Rick Harnish List Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Yes, the truth does hurt... Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful.. Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment. Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_ and _relevant_ to my work. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Amen! But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were written for all the OTHER people. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front... Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency. And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not. 1. You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of 2. You don't own the freq. 3. You don't have the subscriber Shall I go on... Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Cc: Jack Daniel Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Be prepared... In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical AND legal side of this. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters. Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] redline
I guess that's my question... I have a competitor that is shooting 30 miles with a Redline 2ft panel pair running 5.4ghz. Even using only 10mhz of spectrum, that's only a -83 signal. Just wondering if he's turned up the power somehow to make that shot. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine the EIRP is still 30. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] redline Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] redline
posibly Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] redline I guess that's my question... I have a competitor that is shooting 30 miles with a Redline 2ft panel pair running 5.4ghz. Even using only 10mhz of spectrum, that's only a -83 signal. Just wondering if he's turned up the power somehow to make that shot. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine the EIRP is still 30. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] redline Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic
Jory Privett wrote: Ok so I pay you the extra to guarantee a certain minimum latency. I if I am connecting to a server on another network how will you provide that? You can not set the QoS for someone else's network much less 3 or 4 of them that my traffic has to cross to get to is final destination. Because I have negotiated QoS with my upstream, and they have negotiated it with their peers. Alternatively, If I'm a large enough ISP, someone like Vonage may purchase a line directly into my network and pay me to deliver 2 way traffic at a higher priority to their customers. -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] redline
I'd imagine the EIRP is still 30. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] redline Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Committee Roll Call
I need to document the various committee members for the website. Please respond to HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are a member of any of the following committees or wish to join one. I would like all responses by Sunday evening. * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=65WISPA Committees * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=73700 Mhz Committee * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=71CALEA Committee * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=66Certification Committee * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=70FCC Committee * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=72Promotions Committee * HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=69Wholesale Committee Respectively, Rick Harnish No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
