Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware
v3.0 has a released API to make your own anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware Not to my knowledge. I asked Arnis about this at a couple of WISPCONs and he didn't seem averse to releasing the specification, I just never followed up on it. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jeromie Reeves wrote: Winbox runs under wine (mostly) fine. If you have Wine .44 then you must upgrade MT to 2.9.40 or better and to loader 2.2.11 It would not be to hard to replicate winbox natively for Linux, it would be the GUI that would be a issue. Has MT documented the winbox interface? Mmmm ideas. On 9/8/07, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there would be two of us if MT made the Dude and Winbox run on native Linux. :-) Mac Dearman wrote: Butch, You crack head - - you don't use AV since UNIX/Linux MT doesn't require it. You are the only person I know who will buy a brand new (fine) laptop and at its first boot - drop in a disc, format and install UNIX over Windows!! You know you are a GEEK when no one makes a mail client with a GUI that you think is doable so you use PINE!! :) (The UNIX version is text user interface based-its message editor inspired the text editor Pico.) Signed, Anonymous from LA. (That's Los Angeles) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Jenco Wireless wrote: What's everyone using now? I just got a nasty infection using AVG (fully updated). I guess AVG has not kept up well according to the reviews. No religious questions! :-) I've never really liked AVG personally, but it is not because of it's detection capability, but because it is pretty slow compared to others I've tried, at least with it's real time protection. Having said that, I like TrendMicro, Avast! and many others that are NOT Symantec or McAffee. I've used Avast for a long time on my personal machines and have never had a complaint. I highly recommend adding a realtime spyware scanner, too. I think Trend now has this in an all-in-one package. Main thing I can suggest is stay away from those that include the firewall as well. I think Trend has that option as well. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
[WISPA] Favorite Websites
Killing time on a Sunday morning... :) What are your favorite, most useful website(s) for the following: - Web Design/Hosting - General Business Practices/Ideas - News - Blogs - Forums - Which WISP's have a 'Best-of-Breed' website - Hobbies - Other 'personal favorite' sites Feel free to add to the topics if not listed above. - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA Members] communication (was Re: [WISPA] OT: CellPhone Repeaters.)
This is a very good start! Thanks Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] communication (was Re: [WISPA] OT: CellPhone Repeaters.) Correction, I have made the needed revisions to the webpage code of ethics as of last night. Unless there is further discussion about other changes, we are complete for now. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] communication (was Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.) The revisions to the Code of Ethics are not completed yet. We are redefining the terms under which we will all act and behave as a condition of membership in WISPA. Our Code of Ethics is the only logical place I know of for us to state that we will support the following of all laws. Once the revisions are completed we will send a public statement along with a copy of the updated text. Our Board Meeting minutes are being put together now so we can send those to all members for review via this list. All WISPA members are subscribed to this list. Let us know if we are missing anything else here. All the best, Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: In a email addressing Ralph directly that went to the list at large I learned there was a WISPA Board meeting and a Code of Ethics change. This seems like a terrible way to communicate such information to our members especially since not all members are on the public list. -Matt Rick Harnish wrote: Ralph, I have placed you on moderation. I will approve or disapprove all of your posts to this public list. I expect your cooperation in this matter. By the way, we did make a change to Article 2 of the Code of Ethics this morning in our board meeting in response to your pleas. I'm sure it isn't enough to satisfy you but it is the best we can do at this time. WISPA represents all WISPs and will seek to guide them into compliance through various means. This will be continued discussion with the FCC on rule modification, pressuring vendors to certify all systems and hardware and educating the members on the importance of certification. This will not be a quick process and may take years to accomplish. I hope you realize that your comments are driving more people away from WISPA than they are educating. Please keep your comments and discussions civil. While you may be completely legal with your compliance, your tact and lack of politeness on the list is disgraceful, thus in my opinion, you are no better than any non-compliant WISP in our fold. If you want to be perceived as a professional then you need to start acting professional. I have not moderated your posts on the member's only list as it is a private list. However, I expect the same degree of proper decorum on that list as well. Respectfully, Rick Harnish List Moderator ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Winbox
Since winbox came up lately, How secure is the winbox protocol (assuming you have a great password)? Is it safe enough to open up to the outside world, or would I be asking to get hacked? Jason ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Winbox
You have the option on the Winbox GUI itself to use secure password if you put a check in the box. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Winbox Since winbox came up lately, How secure is the winbox protocol (assuming you have a great password)? Is it safe enough to open up to the outside world, or would I be asking to get hacked? Jason --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Winbox
Yes, but is the link encrypted or can anyone packet-sniff what you're doing? Have there been previous security breeches in winbox? Mac Dearman wrote: You have the option on the Winbox GUI itself to use "secure password" if you put a check in the box. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Winbox Since winbox came up lately, How secure is the winbox protocol (assuming you have a great password)? Is it safe enough to open up to the outside world, or would I be asking to get hacked? Jason --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Winbox
The application never asks for a secure certificate; so one would need to assume that the link is not encrypted and can be seen through a packet sniff. Also the port it uses is just a standard TCP port; maybe the exchange between winbox challenge and response is the only thing encrypted Not really sure. Maybe if someone from Mikrotik is lurking they can interject Ty Carter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winbox Yes, but is the link encrypted or can anyone packet-sniff what you're doing? Have there been previous security breeches in winbox? Mac Dearman wrote: You have the option on the Winbox GUI itself to use secure password if you put a check in the box. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Winbox Since winbox came up lately, How secure is the winbox protocol (assuming you have a great password)? Is it safe enough to open up to the outside world, or would I be asking to get hacked? Jason --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for cheap RAS
Anyone have a good source or do it yourselfa Tnx Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Winbox
The Winbox Console uses TCP port 8290 (not secure) or 8291 (secure; requires security package to be installed). Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Winbox The application never asks for a secure certificate; so one would need to assume that the link is not encrypted and can be seen through a packet sniff. Also the port it uses is just a standard TCP port; maybe the exchange between winbox challenge and response is the only thing encrypted Not really sure. Maybe if someone from Mikrotik is lurking they can interject Ty Carter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winbox Yes, but is the link encrypted or can anyone packet-sniff what you're doing? Have there been previous security breeches in winbox? Mac Dearman wrote: You have the option on the Winbox GUI itself to use secure password if you put a check in the box. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Winbox Since winbox came up lately, How secure is the winbox protocol (assuming you have a great password)? Is it safe enough to open up to the outside world, or would I be asking to get hacked? Jason --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) --- --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
I've been saying this for a long time, but no one really cares to listen. They're all happy with 768kb service. The only way I can see doing it now is if you can use 5 gig and are using DFS2 gear. Mikrotik and StarOS are the only systems that can put enough throughput in the air to be able to offer 10 meg pipes in a PtMP environment. Maybe WiMAX systems will have more throughput, maybe enough to make other bands usable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't have any big investors. If we had an investor to finance the equipment costs, we could do 150 installs per month. We receive an inquiry once in a while where the customer says why are you so expensive, and we can tell them to talk to existing cable/DSL customers and see if their service is so great. We can connect to a neighbors open wireless router, and try a speed test on his 10 meg cable connection during prime time, and see 80kbps that is a small b, and then get 1.5 mbps on our wireless Access point on the roof next door to his. Cable Companies advertise 10 meg connections, but have a hard time delivering in our area. Maybe if your competition is just starting out, and has the bandwidth to support their 10 meg connections, then you could have issues until they saturate their infrastructure. Our upstream is 200 Meg and we are averaging 25 meg constant usage, with a lot of growth available. 2500 into 25 meg seems like an oversubscription, but our plan is working. We are not going to Lose. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 05:47 To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
I really wish I had the type of cocmpetition you guys do. In the past couple years I have never seen a cable modem go below its advertised speed. I've seen many people pull over 25 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't have any big investors. If we had an investor to finance the equipment costs, we could do 150 installs per month. We receive an inquiry once in a while where the customer says why are you so expensive, and we can tell them to talk to existing cable/DSL customers and see if their service is so great. We can connect to a neighbors open wireless router, and try a speed test on his 10 meg cable connection during prime time, and see 80kbps that is a small b, and then get 1.5 mbps on our wireless Access point on the roof next door to his. Cable Companies advertise 10 meg connections, but have a hard time delivering in our area. Maybe if your competition is just starting out, and has the bandwidth to support their 10 meg connections, then you could have issues until they saturate their infrastructure. Our upstream is 200 Meg and we are averaging 25 meg constant usage, with a lot of growth available. 2500 into 25 meg seems like an oversubscription, but our plan is working. We are not going to Lose. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 05:47 To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Mike, I have to admit that we are in a retarded State to start with - Louisiana. We do compete with DSL in area's, but the majority (like 95%) of the area we offer internet access there is no other alternative - - short of another WISP. The towns that we do offer our service in and there is DSL - - we carry the majority of the towns businesses because of services after the sale. We carry all the Gov't agencies, Sheriffs Depts., local police agencies...etc because they can get a real person with some knowledge on the phone -vs- some DA (dumb a**) from ATT that can't tell whether his shoes are on the right feet or not much less trouble shoot connectivity issues. DSL does suck here and I am grateful for that. Comcast, Cox, Verizon and the rest of the crew are nonexistent here due lack of population and I am grateful for that too. Try to up sale your service and make a point to point out that you give great service after the sale. Everyone is sick of the SOS (same old stuff) from the Telco - - no service after the sale! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I really wish I had the type of cocmpetition you guys do. In the past couple years I have never seen a cable modem go below its advertised speed. I've seen many people pull over 25 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't have any big investors. If we had an investor to finance the equipment costs, we could do 150 installs per month. We receive an inquiry once in a while where the customer says why are you so expensive, and we can tell them to talk to existing cable/DSL customers and see if their service is so great. We can connect to a neighbors open wireless router, and try a speed test on his 10 meg cable connection during prime time, and see 80kbps that is a small b, and then get 1.5 mbps on our wireless Access point on the roof next door to his. Cable Companies advertise 10 meg connections, but have a hard time delivering in our area. Maybe if your competition is just starting out, and has the bandwidth to support their 10 meg connections, then you could have issues until they saturate their infrastructure. Our upstream is 200 Meg and we are averaging 25 meg constant usage, with a lot of growth available. 2500 into 25 meg seems like an oversubscription, but our plan is working. We are not going to Lose. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 05:47 To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Hi, We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several other WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of them (512k = $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP address for every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless router during the install, and we have local support. We also guarantee our speed (If you buy 512k, you get 512k all the time, 24 hours per day). We also offer the same upload and download speed (If you buy 1meg, you get 1meg down AND 1meg up). The other WISP in the area is selling 4meg down x 1meg up for $34.95 (best effort speeds). Licensed, take the indoor modem with you from work to home, etc. provider is doing 3meg for $29.95 Cable is $29.95 for up to 5 megs. DSL is $29.95 for up to 7 megs. And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did 114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find installers to hire. Travis Microserv Smith, Rick wrote: I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Here in Midwest Kansas the competition is surprisingly tough. The ATT's out there continue to escalate speeds and drop pricing...however, we continue to kill the competition with our local flavor of services. People here in the rural settings tend to buy into the we are the local guys more then the metro areas I think. We typically put a face to our names unlike the please wait on hold Telco's. That's the good 'ol Midwest for ya...customers in your neck of the woods might not be that faithful. -Eric Smith, Rick wrote: I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Mike Delp wrote: We have over 2500 wireless clients, and we are in direct competition with Cable and DSL. We have customers switch over to our higher priced lower limits every day because we can provide SERVICE that the cable/telcos can't provide. We average 85 install per month, and we don't have any big investors. If we had an investor to finance the equipment costs, we could do 150 installs per month. We receive an inquiry once in a while where the customer says why are you so expensive, and we can tell them to talk to existing cable/DSL customers and see if their service is so great. We can connect to a neighbors open wireless router, and try a speed test on his 10 meg cable connection during prime time, and see 80kbps that is a small b, and then get 1.5 mbps on our wireless Access point on the roof next door to his. Cable Companies advertise 10 meg connections, but have a hard time delivering in our area. Maybe if your competition is just starting out, and has the bandwidth to support their 10 meg connections, then you could have issues until they saturate their infrastructure. Our upstream is 200 Meg and we are averaging 25 meg constant usage, with a lot of growth available. 2500 into 25 meg seems like an oversubscription, but our plan is working. With our 802.11b equipment that is pretty close to what we see (100 customers/meg). Although since we have starting pusing the 2M/512K service on 802.11a equipment we are finally starting to see that number rise. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless We are not going to Lose. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 05:47 To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not) I've been looking through a LOT of wisp and supposed wisp websites at service pricing / traffic levels. Are you all NOT in competition areas where the iLECs are dishing out 5mbps/768kbps DSL everywhere you look ? I am, and now combine that with Cable modems @ a MINIMUM of 10mbps down and 2 mbps up. All priced around $40 / month residentially. HOW do we put up hardware, and what kind, that will compete at those traffic levels ? EASY to put up 1m/512 service - no one will use it tho. R ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e488d1136701513398925;!DSPAM:16,46e488d1136701513398925!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several other WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of them (512k = $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP address for every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless router during the install, and we have local support. We also guarantee our speed (If you buy 512k, you get 512k all the time, 24 hours per day). We also offer the same upload and download speed (If you buy 1meg, you get 1meg down AND 1meg up). Travis, out of curiosity do you have many p2p users? If you do, do you do anything discourage it or stick to the you pay for 512k you get 512k? I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless The other WISP in the area is selling 4meg down x 1meg up for $34.95 (best effort speeds). Licensed, take the indoor modem with you from work to home, etc. provider is doing 3meg for $29.95 Cable is $29.95 for up to 5 megs. DSL is $29.95 for up to 7 megs. And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did 114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find installers to hire. Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] Upgrade question - need access point compatible with CB3's teletronics
Without knowing more about your environment I'd agree with Marlon (gawd, did I just say that? ;) I would really look at running something closer to 30-50 customers per CPE in 802.11b even if you are running low bandwidth plans. I currently don't have that luxury as I'm topping out at 50-60 customers per AP in 802.11b and it is really not keeping up, but I'm getting the high use customers moved to 802.11a at a rate I can afford. As for APs that is a good question, but having used CB3s in AP mode for micro pops, I can tell you just about anything modern is going to be a LOT better than what you have. George has suggested StarOS as a roll your own solution. The other option is RouterOS on something like a routerboard 532 or the 300s. I know there are people that have used the Tranzeo APs with success and I've also heard really good things about Deliberant gear. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi Tim, I've cc'd the wispa list here. Lots of great help on that one too. 75 cpe is pushing the limits of most ap's these days. yeah, they'll handle more, but if you have many busy ones you'd be bumping up against the limits for most. Practically speaking. FIRST though, you are talking about a LOT of power here. 200mw cpe and 400mw ap's are rarely needed in the real world. We need to know more about your system configs. Customer distances. Antennas used. Signal levels. etc. etc. etc. Feel free to hit me off list as I don't get to the lists ever day. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Timothy McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [isp-wireless] Upgrade question - need access point compatible with CB3's teletronics Help - my current system is becoming increasingly unstable. Most of my client units are the 200mw NL-2611 CB3 Plus Deluxe 802.11b and I've used the ENGENIUS/SENAO 400mW WIRELESS AP / BRIDGE 802.11b/g radios for the access points bridges (all at 2.4). But it is not handling the load and requires frequent reboots. I'm also seeing strange redirects, which nobody helped me with previously. What is my best best for a replacement access point/bridge combo that would support 50-75 client units and are compatible with the Engenius/Teletronics in place now? Could you also indicate the upper limits with your recommendations? Also recommendations for FreeBSD bandwidth shaper software would be a great help. Thanks! Tim McGee ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** Going Wireless? Visit ISPCON before making the leap! ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2007 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e384b7213841940592975;!DSPAM:16,46e384b7213841940592975!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Sam Tetherow wrote: I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. We have transfer caps in our agreements which are more than anyone would use unless they are P2P users - more specifically, the pricing includes a certain amount of transfer, and if you go over it says we can bill you. It also says that if we think you are going to go over, we can turn you off to prevent an overage bill. Generally we'll turn a P2P user off and when they call we'll say we saw you were transferring a *lot* of data, probably P2P, and this will result in a large bill at the end of the month. We've never had anyone take us up yet on this. Often it's the teenager in the house and the parent doesn't know about what is going on. Either way, the P2P user problem goes away. We've had a couple of leeches (for lack of a better word) who are always behind on their bills and can't seem to break their P2P habit. For those, we gladly turn them off and retrieve their equipment. -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Hi, During business hours (7:00AM to 5:30PM) we throttle p2p traffic on our entire backbone to 5meg up, 5meg down. Outside of those hours, we let everyone run wide open with whatever speed they purchase. In fact, we have a guy that purchased a dedicated point to point 2.5meg connection from us for his house for $250/month just for his p2p stuff. :) Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several other WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of them (512k = $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP address for every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless router during the install, and we have local support. We also guarantee our speed (If you buy 512k, you get 512k all the time, 24 hours per day). We also offer the same upload and download speed (If you buy 1meg, you get 1meg down AND 1meg up). Travis, out of curiosity do you have many p2p users? If you do, do you do anything discourage it or stick to the you pay for 512k you get 512k? I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless The other WISP in the area is selling 4meg down x 1meg up for $34.95 (best effort speeds). Licensed, take the indoor modem with you from work to home, etc. provider is doing 3meg for $29.95 Cable is $29.95 for up to 5 megs. DSL is $29.95 for up to 7 megs. And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did 114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find installers to hire. Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Forrest W. Christian wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. We have transfer caps in our agreements which are more than anyone would use unless they are P2P users - more specifically, the pricing includes a certain amount of transfer, and if you go over it says we can bill you. It also says that if we think you are going to go over, we can turn you off to prevent an overage bill. Generally we'll turn a P2P user off and when they call we'll say we saw you were transferring a *lot* of data, probably P2P, and this will result in a large bill at the end of the month. We've never had anyone take us up yet on this. Often it's the teenager in the house and the parent doesn't know about what is going on. Either way, the P2P user problem goes away. As ISPs in general I think we are going to have to be able to provide for this type of traffic. P2P is not all illegal movies. If we want to be providers for our community we need to be able to provide for the bandwidth hungry applications as well. While telling the customer no or charging them extra on their bill may 'solve' the problem today it will eventually just end up losing you customers as the service you provide slips behind the service that they want. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless We've had a couple of leeches (for lack of a better word) who are always behind on their bills and can't seem to break their P2P habit. For those, we gladly turn them off and retrieve their equipment. -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e4c6d3141761678710902;!DSPAM:16,46e4c6d3141761678710902!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
That's pretty good pricing considering you charge $80/meg on a standard account and he is getting $100/meg on a dedicated connection. I suppose it is pretty economical if you get him to cover the equipment costs on both ends and you are getting your BW at a reasonable price less than that. I'll have to think about that as a solution for some of our heavier users, they might just go for it ;) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, During business hours (7:00AM to 5:30PM) we throttle p2p traffic on our entire backbone to 5meg up, 5meg down. Outside of those hours, we let everyone run wide open with whatever speed they purchase. In fact, we have a guy that purchased a dedicated point to point 2.5meg connection from us for his house for $250/month just for his p2p stuff. :) Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have DSL, Cable, licensed 2.5ghz wireless providers and several other WISP's in our areas. We are the most expensive out of all of them (512k = $39.95 per month). However, we offer a real, static IP address for every customer. We offer a free firewall/wireless router during the install, and we have local support. We also guarantee our speed (If you buy 512k, you get 512k all the time, 24 hours per day). We also offer the same upload and download speed (If you buy 1meg, you get 1meg down AND 1meg up). Travis, out of curiosity do you have many p2p users? If you do, do you do anything discourage it or stick to the you pay for 512k you get 512k? I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless The other WISP in the area is selling 4meg down x 1meg up for $34.95 (best effort speeds). Licensed, take the indoor modem with you from work to home, etc. provider is doing 3meg for $29.95 Cable is $29.95 for up to 5 megs. DSL is $29.95 for up to 7 megs. And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did 114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find installers to hire. Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46e4cbfd163398294215066;!DSPAM:16,46e4cbfd163398294215066!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bounces
I don't know if my email has been bouncing or not, but I've been without email for 2 days (since my server at home, where I run PINE decided to just quit). I'm now running my email on my new Linux machine (brand new laptop), but I may have bounced a few emails. If so, I apologize. Either way, Mac, you were right (sort of). I am trying out Evolution for a short time. If I like it (I don't so far), I will keep it. Otherwise, I will use the old standby (pine). FWIW, your ad hominem attack (as Jeff called it) is forgiven. LOL -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)
Sam Tetherow wrote: As ISPs in general I think we are going to have to be able to provide for this type of traffic. P2P is not all illegal movies. If we want to be providers for our community we need to be able to provide for the bandwidth hungry applications as well. I want to be clear... The limits I was talking about are in the tens of GByte/month range. 2Mb/s continous for days. I don't care whether it's P2P or a Web Server, or 100 Audio streams or Open Source .iso's being shared by Bittorrent. The Residential service we provide for $55/month is supposed to be intermittent, not 2Mb/s continuous. If someone wants 2Mb/s continous I'm more than happy to charge them $250/month for it. A typical customer on the $55/month service can download 2-3 full length, DVD quality, no additional compression movies without me even blinking an eye. Start sucking (or pushing) 2Mb/s continuous, then I get a little irritated. To me, the loss of a 2Mb/s continous customer is actually a good thing. 2Mb/s continuous is almost impossible to provide at $55/month in my neck of the woods. Any provider he goes to is going to cost them more money than they are charging them. How much are *you* paying for your upstream? -forrest ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
