I've used Pine...the ad hominem was crack head. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Bounces
I don't know if my email has been bouncing or not,
Travis Johnson wrote:
And, right now, we have more business than we can keep up with. We did
114 installs last month and could have done 140+ if we could find
installers to hire.
While we don't do residential and therefore don't share the same
concerns mentioned in this thread, the amount of
Clint Ricker wrote:
If there was a fairly turnkey solution to providing television service
over your networks (ie IPTV), would you be interested?
We would like to provide business TV services where we would only carry
a few channels on an ala carte basis. Specifically, we would like to
offer
We have (off and on) been looking for the same solution, however we came to
a conclusion years ago. Why not just re-sell Direct TV or Dish?
Best,
Brad
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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:37
IPTV is also the breaking of the traditional TV mold. You can offer
thousands of channels from all kinds of different sources. It doesn't even
have to be in the traditional channel format.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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Correct, we see the same requests. However, why try re-inventing the wheel
when DirecTV already has a solution in place? Every time this issue has
popped up the client was more than happy to pay the DirecTV price even if
they only wanted CNN or FOX.
It just didn't seem to make sense (yet) to
Agreed, but IMO just not quite ready for prime time . yet. grin
Best,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV
IPTV is also the
Brad Belton wrote:
Correct, we see the same requests. However, why try re-inventing the wheel
when DirecTV already has a solution in place? Every time this issue has
popped up the client was more than happy to pay the DirecTV price even if
they only wanted CNN or FOX.
Are you reselling
Not ready for prime time...? There's already several hundred thousand
subscribers on IPTV platforms in the US alone, so I'm not sure what
you're waiting for... what shortcomings are you seeing?
The technology IS being deployed in prime time scenarios already
(ATT, which is not known for being
Matt, I'm understanding from you that if there was a good way to do
this, you'd definitely be interested? Is anyone else out there
potentially interested?
This is an area that I've been working in for quite a while now, and
the technology is there and deployable.
There are two main obstacles,
I guess most of us would want to know what would be required of us
(infrastructure wise) to be able to do this kind of service.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Clint Ricker wrote:
Matt, I'm understanding from you that if there was a good way to do
this, you'd definitely be interested? Is anyone else out there
potentially interested?
This is an area that I've been working in for quite a while now, and
the technology is there and deployable.
There are
I'd be interested. I've checked a few, and so far have been unable to find a
solution with programming that allows you to broadcast wirelessly due to
license agreements. Not to mention one channel is approximately 4megs, and
HD is 20megs, at TV quality anyway. These two things are large technical
MPEG-4 systems can provide much better bitrates. Most of DirecTV's HD is in
MPEG-4.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday,
How much better?
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:14 AM
To: WISPA
Forrest, I didn't mean to be offensive in my email, or imply that you
are doing anything bad with your billing/usage model. I was just
stating my opinion concerning the increased usage of bandwidth by
customers and the WISP industry in general.
I'm pretty sure that everyone agrees that
I've heard of 768 kb SD and HD under 5 megs, though I forget how far under 5
megs.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September
My research show that the main cost is the STB more so then the head
end. VLS makes a pretty decent head-end depending on what you want to
serve out. I had setup VLS with access to current IPTV stations as
well as HD stored media. The streaming was very simple to to, albeit
network intensive. I
I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know
me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent
years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my
experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times back then. I'm
thinking about creeping back
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the first
one if there was more than one.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday,
OMG!
I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails
:-(
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:16:57
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh
YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I was
at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the show (or
something...)
:-)
-B-
Mike Hammett wrote:
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the
first one if there was more than one.
Wow! Im witnessing the return of a pioneer!
Welcome back
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Behalf
At 11:29 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the
first one if there was more than one.
That was me. There is only one me, that's for sure. :)Dallas
WISPCON was my last convention.
Allen
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, Bob Moldashel wrote:
YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I
was at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the
show (or something...)
Bob I remember missing you in Chicago but not Dallas. If I ever knew
you were in Dallas, I'd
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OMG!
I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails
:-(
I do love you Bob and I'm truly sorry about that. Around '04 I used
to spend about 4 to 6 hours a day on email and my new boss put an end
to all that.
At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
Thanks much for the reply Gino. My idea is like muni wireless in
that there really is no CPE per se. With muni wifi, each node is on
top of a light pole
Allen:
Metricom did.
Thanks,
Steve
On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network
before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea
probably won't work.
Allen
--
Steve Stroh
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless cards
can be used for wireless broadband?
George
:)
Allen Marsalis wrote:
At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote:
Allen:
Metricom did.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks for the reply Steve. Can you share if they were able to make
it work or not? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Allen
Alan,
There is a second manufacture of 900 Mini-Pci cards which is Zcomax. The two
(ubnt and Zcomax don't talk because of different center frequencies. Zcomax is
what Tranzeo is using in there 900 products, so this may be a good way to go,
with the ability to have pre-manufactured client radios.
Allen Marsalis wrote:
I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before.
Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably
won't work.
I'd be very skeptical just because of what I lovingly call the Tropos
Effect.
Obviously, all these nodes
At 01:02 PM 9/10/2007, George Rogato wrote:
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless
cards can be used for wireless broadband?
George
:)
Yes George I do. In fact I used pcmcia cards back in '03 and '04 at
ShreveNet for residential pops with good results after we
Metricom was one of the ones that we were uninstalling in Tempe. i.e. out of
business.
I don't know if that was technical issues or management or a combo of both.
Joel White
NexGenAccess Inc.
www.nexgenaccess.com
740-513-4122
NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com
-- Original
Wow thanks for the info Joel. I bought a couple of SR9's last week
and I'm experimenting now. I might need a 900MHz range spectrum
analyzer for this one. :)
Re: In fact, I worked under you I believe!!
LOL, well sort of. There was no budget, so my job was pretty weird
while it lasted.
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Forrest, I didn't mean to be offensive in my email, or imply that you
are doing anything bad with your billing/usage model. I was just
stating my opinion concerning the increased usage of bandwidth by
customers and the WISP industry in general.
If I came accross defensive,
I would like to look at the bandwidth per channel your system would use.
Around here there are multiple tv's per household, and very few are ever on
the same channel. That is where I see the issue, even at 1 meg per feed X 3
STB's kills my 900Mhz Canopy AP.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless
We provide symmetrical service to our customers. 2Mb/s down and up...
show me a typical Cable or DSL provider who can do that. In fact, most
cable plants are severely limited in the upload direction just because
of how the return path is configured (it all lives below channel 2).
You can
Hi folks,
We are looking for a handful of WISPs to do some product testing on an
entirely new WISP multipoint product line from Alvarion. You need not be
a current Alvarion WISP (and this is not intended for those with
BreezeACCESS VL networks). The line is intended for the most cost
sensitive
I'm glad your still around the industry Allen, every one in a while
someone says, Where's Allen M? Makes us wonder.
Myself, I would only look at 900 as a temporary frequency to use. Maybe
a couple years, more in the very rural areas and less urban wise.
Too many others are using 900 or
Forrest W Christian wrote:
we're trying to rid ourselves of exactly the same people that the cable
companies are ridding
themselves of - those which expect a full bore pipe for less than it
costs us to purchase the bandwidth.
I just had a guy who wanted to sign up but wanted to define what
Allen,
It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even
tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is
clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas,
where it works OK. I've only done a few scans in the city (East
Lansing and
So a bunch of you are asking for a bit more detail in order to know if
you might be interested. So I can add the following in the way of
analogy. If BreezeACCESS VL is a Lexus, the new line would like a
Corolla -- still from Alvarion so the expected quality will be there,
just not all the bells
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals with each other, share your
upstream peers, buy in bulk, and get your $60/meg to $30/meg, $20/meg,
or even lower...
-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies
On 9/10/07, George Rogato [EMAIL
I'm paying $150, but I only have 1. ;-)
Getting together on purchases of things never really seems to get anywhere.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm paying $150, but I only have 1. ;-)
Getting together on purchases of things never really seems to get anywhere.
The reason one side has to be the vendor and the other side the
customer. Nobody seems to want to be the customer of their peer.
-Matt
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm paying $85/meg but over half that
cost is in transport which I can't do anything about. And before you
tell me to bring it in wirelessly I suggest you do a google map on
Valentine Nebraska ;) The last time I checked I was significantly
cheaper than
I need a new one. Anyone got a laptop that works outside well? I can't
see the screen on my dell very well.
Brian
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Yeah...I know... been there, done that.
The cable companies and the bells compete with each other over
millions of dollars of business, and yet can somehow release
similtaneous FCC filings, press releases, position papers, and so
forth.
Most independents don't compete with each other, and yet
That doesn't work really well because of the various WISPs around the
entire country. Our biggest expense isn't the actual bandwidth (that's
usually around $20/meg)... it's the cost of the transport from the
closest NOC. For us, that transport is at least 200 miles.
Travis
Microserv
Clint
Good point regarding added value to the IP service we are offering. VoIP
has added a certain stickiness for us already. If we had IPTV to bundle
in as well it could only help.
Best,
Brad
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Please expand a bit more on your offering. Inquiring minds want to know.
Best,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV
Not ready for
I assume you mean a 3Com Total Control, Cisco 5300, or Ascend.
My personal favorite is the 3Com as I have worked with these units for over
10 years and they are reliable.
check ebay.. most of the time the shipping cost more than the unit.
On 9/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clint Ricker wrote:
Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg?
You're a trade organization...make deals with each other, share your
upstream peers, buy in bulk, and get your $60/meg to $30/meg, $20/meg,
or even lower...
-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies
Hmmm,
How
Allen:
Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it
work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things
they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small
channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as all the current
902-928 MHz BWIA gear
I've got some Patton Electronic 24 port 56k ras's. They all worked great
when I moved to outsourced modems.
Make me an offer.
George
Zack Kneisley wrote:
I assume you mean a 3Com Total Control, Cisco 5300, or Ascend.
My personal favorite is the 3Com as I have worked with these units for
Thank you David for your thoughts on this. I too am a bit
skeptical. :) Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you
guys. There is the additional issue of mesh routing protocols but
I think (and I mean think) I may have that covered if the physical
stuff worked out ok. It's just
Patrick,
What do you have for more information. I would be interested in it. I
just need to run it past Phil and Dave.
Thanks,
Ryan
Patrick Leary wrote:
Hi folks,
We are looking for a handful of WISPs to do some product testing on an
entirely new WISP multipoint product line from
Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the
things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is
petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm short a few
billion it seems.. Even if my idea is technically doable, then I
must go find the right
At 04:00 PM 9/10/2007, John Valenti wrote:
Allen,
It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even
tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is
clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas,
where it works OK. I've only done a few scans
At 05:12 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Allen:
Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it
work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things
they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small
channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as
Brad,
Here's what I'm looking at, and what would generally be involved...
I do a lot of work with cable / video, and, having previously worked
in the independent ISP industry, I'm familiar with both worlds.
One of the major problems that I see that independents face is that
they are trying to
Allen:
While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year
increments - to design, fund, and launch them... technological
progress DOES come, and has. Spot beams are now a standard feature on
all new satellites, and it's beginning to make a big difference. Watch
to see what
Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.
Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
Chicago, September 25-27
Booth #409
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.
Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are
now vice president. Great job! (I mean that both ways. You do a
great job and have a great job) :) Our
I have added a link to Kris Twomey's new Blog to the WISPA homepage.
Judging from today’s post, we need to keep our eye open for an upcoming NPRM
on possible use of 2155-2175 mHz. See excerpt below:
“The FCC refused to grant M2Z's request for a (basically free) national
license in the
Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach
a HughesNet installer, anyway.
On 9/10/07, Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allen:
While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year
increments - to design, fund, and launch them...
Not so. Just look up the opening bid for your CMA..
On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the
things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is
petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm
LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of
old BreezeCOM shirts still.
Patrick
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Sent:
I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!
;-) ... ducking!
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Sent: Monday,
Does anyone have some to send down?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts
Talk to your local sales rep...
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
Dylan:
WildBlue is leasing satellite transponders for their current service,
but I don't think they have anything to do with Hughes.
Thanks,
Steve
On 9/10/07, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach
a HughesNet
I'm proud to say no Canopy shirts in this house Gino! I can't
afford them. (major ducking) :)
Allen
At 08:35 PM 9/10/2007, Gino Villarini wrote:
I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!
;-) ... ducking!
I was only about a half year off. Not bad for an old man. :) I'm
not sure I remember your youngest though. A belated congratulations
to you! I know you are proud of them both. My son is now a freshman
in high school and has outgrown me already. Homecoming is this
Saturday. Wow how
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Allen Marsalis wrote:
I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know
me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent
years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my
experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times
The Lenovo x61 is supposed to be pretty good - I just can't make myself
spend that kind of money.
On 9/10/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a new one. Anyone got a laptop that works outside well? I can't
see the screen on my dell very well.
Brian
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