Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Clint Ricker
Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years back the following solution that had worked for him in such situations: 1. Go to the offending provider 2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away 3. After which point, you will have nothing

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Rick Harnish
Clint, Your solution as you stated it has no place on the WISPA list. We will not allow this kind of (presumed) advice to penetrate our list. I'm referring to point No. 3 in particular. It goes against the WISPA Code of Ethics and against FCC policy. I ask that you refrain from making

[WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30

Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread JohnnyO
Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 8inches of water in my yard. Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down as of yet ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List

Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
We had some pretty bad flooding a few weeks ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

RE: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Smith, Rick
woOOHOO! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Down South Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 8inches of

Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Joe Miller
I know we are expecting some fallout from that hurricane in south MS from the rain. Like we need any more rain rigt now. --- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread David Peterson
Hey Mac, You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. : However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread. If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise floor, should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by asking that he be shut

Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen occasionally, the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving Cogent's network. I'd call this a problem with the other provider. It a complicated

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of 1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that had worked with

Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen occasionally, the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving Cogent's network. I'd call this a problem with the other provider.

RE: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Jory - Matt, Thank you for the kind words Jory and the referral Matt. I'm only interjecting here just to clarify that nearly every opportunity presented to BelWave has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. In this particular case there were several criteria that dictated the price per

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
No. It worked. They were great engineers. The technology just worked at 128mbps. They failed because they didn;t know how to do math. They were over confident as VC funded companies were back then, and Tower companies hosed them on reoccurring costs, and them approving way to much for their

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and always will be one of the good guys. One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop and good wireless connection :) and write a

RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS

2007-09-13 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
While I have not personally dug very deep - I know that USAMobility (formerly known as Arch Paging / MetroCall paging) use it and it seems to go down frequently. My suspicion is that the outages are more Hardware related than Software related Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Allen, Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with MobilePro. As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law. Jack Beech and his ISP NationWide Internet was instrumental in our early creation of BelWave. Primarily we had

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
Patrick, thanks for the follow up. True, I am very fortunate and lucky indeed. I did not loose any money with my shares and not all the ISP's can say that. Some were only able to sell MOBL after it fell into the teens or lower. I still have a beautiful wife and two healthy/smart kids. And

Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
I will also add... With the exception of one of Matt's earliest comments in this thread, some thing similar to Cogent is Poor Quality, I agree with just about everything that he said. (He uses Cogent more than he admits, but he's one of the guys that know when and where to use and not to use

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman
Clint, You were doing fairly well leading this thread until you stumbled (or smooth fell down) on point #3. If a WISP were to act/re-act in a fashion such as that it would elicit several consequences: 1. Whatever chance the offended WISP had at legal recourse is now defunct and irrelevant. It

Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread George Rogato
David Peterson wrote: if he is deliberately attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal course of business. As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer. This is the direction I would think would be succesfull. Deliberately interfering. Not just performing.

RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman
David, You (or anyone) can't impede a man's established business or cause him to not be able to conduct his business without legal recourse. It doesn't have be anything illegal about the noise and it's not about trying to shut out the competition. It's all about co-location and the ability

Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Clint Ricker
Let me clarify what I was trying to say; if it came across the wrong way, please excuse my irresponsibility of posting at 3:30 in the morning and not necessarily being as coherent as I may like to have been. To some extent, this is a common issue for all sorts of businesses--not just WISPs. Most

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing, first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went south and the next I heard was that

[WISPA] RE: [Tranzeo] Does any one know of software that can read tranzeo radios signal strength on snmp?

2007-09-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Ok, SEVERAL people asked me for this information so here goes cross posted even! There are several different methods of gaining access to several different statistics on the Tranzeo radios. 1. The Web interface. (slow, slow and still slow... then multiply that by 2-700 radios. 2. Screen

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with MobilePro. As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law. Am I reading this right? Jack Beech is your brother? Your last name is Belton

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Jack Belton is my brother. Jack Beech is Jack Belton's brother-in-law. lol Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Thursday,

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I had to read that through a couple of times to get it...Beech is his brother's brother in law. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis BTW, I owe you a steak Mac. If you ever make it to Shreveport, I will name the place. You won't be sorry. Mac you are one hellova guy and I will never forget camp sagnasty God Bless. Allen [Mac says] You better watch it - I will be in Shreveport

Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Canopy was not initially developed for the military. It was built ground up for WISPs. When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but internal issues kept it from the market for a few years. During that time, the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things

Re: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Steve Stroh
Allen: No corrections - you got it right about Sprint's fixed MMDS customers, using Hybrid Networks gear (is the vendor that took over for HN still around?) called Sprint Broadband Direct. As far as I know, they're still out there, though their numbers are way, way down as Sprint (or their

Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Steve Stroh
I echo Mike's contention that Canopy was developed directly for use by Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers... but not necessarily the small, highly entrepreneurial Wireless ISPs. In my discussions with some key Canopy personnel over the years, some of whom were remarkably candid,

RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS

2007-09-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Have you seen some of the hardware they use?! In one of my colo towers I looked in their rack. I think I saw both a vacuum tube and a roll of tin foil in there! That rack must have put out 1500W of heat as well. They have since upgraded the equipment so perhaps USAMobility is pulling out of a

[WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President,

RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Gino Villarini
From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13,

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Eric Muehleisen
All flavors of Canopy support 5mhz steps. Centers are 5735, 5740, 5745 and so on. I think they are 10-12 mhz wide...i could be wrong on that. -Eric Jack Unger wrote: Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how

RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Well Mac, the FCC is not unaware of these things. This is part of the reason why EVERY new band opened up since 2003 added technical requirements like ATPC (now mandatory for 5.3 as well). ATPC automatically turns down the power to only that needed to maintain the link. (Some systems, like ours,

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Gino, Perfect. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks so much, jack P.S. - Thanks also to Eric Meuhleisen who also sent this info. Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
All Steve's points reflect my understanding as well. I do not believe it was intentionally designed to mess with other systems, especially since its initial design was made long before the presence of these systems in the marketplace (even though this was not introduced until 2002 as a commercial

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago. I do appreciate you refreshing my memory. Jack Beech was somehow friends of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Joel White
Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Allen Marsalis

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Here is an additional cautionary thought FWIW.

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright. I never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you know what I mean. Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Joel White
I had more contact with Jack than I desired, but not much with Jay. The two times Jay was in town, I was working on a couple $100,000 dollar deal that MP later threw away, and the second time I was on a trip that brought in an extra 5000 dial-up customers the first year and was slated to go up

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 10:28 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: ...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and always will be one of the good guys. One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good

RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database information of any federal agency. For those not familiar with the specific search area

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Guys, I think I answered my own question. It looks like 5470-5725 has been approved. To keep list traffic down, there's no need to reply just to confirm. Of course, if I'm wrong I hope that a few folks will tell me. :) Thanks, jack Jack Unger wrote: Gino, Do you (or does

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of

RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products.

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Hey, thanks for the search tips. Correct, it's in San Jose Oct. 16-18. Maybe you can pop in and visit our WISPA booth or our reception. It could help you decompress from the WiMAX show :) jack Patrick Leary wrote: I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless

RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I will do that for sure Jack, thanks. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Hey, thanks

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
I thought about going, but not after I saw the rates. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:44 PM

Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
They certainly have been. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote: Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on Beech on these boards. Brad drove out of his way to loan

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 03:38 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright. I never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you know what I mean. Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay? I negotiated the sale of my company

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
No worries here Allen, feel free to fire away. It's not like Beech is blood...lol...and it's probably good people see and hear the stories (good and bad) for their own good. I will say in Beech's defense that it sounds like he was saddled with an impossible task. grin Best, Brad