Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years back the following solution that had worked for him in such situations: 1. Go to the offending provider 2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away 3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs. Is there legal recourse? Perhaps, but civil would be the only way that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in such a pursuit is not to be understated. See a good telecom lawyer if you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem, then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth it A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom lawyer). It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably don't either... Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is unlicensed. Which means you don't actually have rights to anything. Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy... There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small country to get licensed over unlicensed On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved. or any unlicensed frequency Matt Liotta wrote: No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove to a jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that is interfering with your business then you can certainly win a tortuous interference suit against the company in question regardless of whether the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should immediately send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After the deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an injunction to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both done. If you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Clint, Your solution as you stated it has no place on the WISPA list. We will not allow this kind of (presumed) advice to penetrate our list. I'm referring to point No. 3 in particular. It goes against the WISPA Code of Ethics and against FCC policy. I ask that you refrain from making suggestions like this again. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years back the following solution that had worked for him in such situations: 1. Go to the offending provider 2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away 3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs. Is there legal recourse? Perhaps, but civil would be the only way that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in such a pursuit is not to be understated. See a good telecom lawyer if you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem, then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth it A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom lawyer). It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably don't either... Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is unlicensed. Which means you don't actually have rights to anything. Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy... There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small country to get licensed over unlicensed On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved. or any unlicensed frequency Matt Liotta wrote: No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove to a jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that is interfering with your business then you can certainly win a tortuous interference suit against the company in question regardless of whether the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should immediately send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After the deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an injunction to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both done. If you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
[WISPA] Down South
How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Down South
Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 8inches of water in my yard. Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down as of yet ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Down South How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Down South
We had some pretty bad flooding a few weeks ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Down South Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 8inches of water in my yard. Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down as of yet ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Down South How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Down South
woOOHOO! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Down South Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 8inches of water in my yard. Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down as of yet ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Down South How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Down South
I know we are expecting some fallout from that hurricane in south MS from the rain. Like we need any more rain rigt now. --- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you guys dealing with that water? They said the hurricane is going to hover for a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Hey Mac, You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. : However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread. If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise floor, should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by asking that he be shut down? What if 15 move into your area and all compete? The only way that I could see having a leg to stand on is if he is deliberately attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal course of business. As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I disagree totally :) with all respect! I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built something that is totally spectrally unfriendly - on purpose! The commercial that they use to air was the last man standing. I didn't say that Canopy didn't build some pretty good gear - I said I hate their guts and wouldn't hang it if it were given to me for free due to the noise they create. I would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed. I can produce that commercial/ad in court and if you think you would stand a chance in civil court against an ad like that - - you are in for a surprise - - -unlicensed spectrum or not! We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Peterson Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I would have to disagree with most of this thread. You have two things going against you in this. 1. A free market economy. 2. License Free spectrum. You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your area than you can if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door. This is a critical component of American society, so I doubt that any judge would even allow the suit to ever get in front of a jury. If you can prove they are doing something illegal, like shooting your antennas with a .22 you might have a chance. License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference. Period. If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of business. Let's face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all other equipment in its spectrum. By now, someone would have sued Canopy both on their equipment and on their marketing. (Who has seen the Wireless Thug pic at the shows. I know I have.) Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such as amps, etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating. David Peterson WirelesGuys Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Jack, I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the interference. If someone moves into an area established by you - where you have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs some Canopy and creates the inability to recover from the noise - - that is a law suit in the making. I am sure you would have to do all you could do and present the evidence of such, but the one who knocked you oout of business would be responsible for your lost income. My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this is and what grounds he bases this line of thought. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Onlist for my reply. It's also a good onlist discusion. I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause harm to the business or operation and or for financial gain. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be worthy of taking to court. But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be brought against the offending party. The same way the Ricco statutes were first used against the mob and in other racketeering cases. Statutory remedies for intentional acts. Many statutes provide remedies for intentional harms. Civil rights statutes provide remedies for intentional discrimination. Consumer fraud statutes provide remedies for unlawful trade practices. The federal
Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent
Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen occasionally, the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving Cogent's network. I'd call this a problem with the other provider. It a complicated game, stategizing who's network will carries the majority burden and cost to backhaul the traffic the majority path. All I can say is, when Cogent carries the data the majority path, the performance/latency is better. We've had Cogent for 7 years and thats why we've kept them. Many providers meet their price, They are not just the lowest cost option anymore. Cogent tech support is also very good. My concern with Cogent, is they can't keep Sales reps anymore. The first 5 years, I enjoyed having dedicated sales reps that I could count on being there to address my concerns, when they needed addressed. Someone that knew me and my character, and knew I was not full of shxt if I had a beef. I like that feeling of relationship. Thats been gone the last 2 years. There is nothing I hate worse than a company that thinks its exceptable for the collections/accounting department to be the primary/only interface between the provider and the customer. That is because in that situation, the provder can often come to false conclusions on topics, when they are not aware of all the facts and history. IF they can't keep a sales rep for more than a few months, something has got to be wrong, that we do not know about. With all fairness, the trend that is developing, is typical of many telecoms as they grow large, get comfortable with the market share they desire, and don't think they need the high salary reps anymore. I would only make positive recommendations for someone to use Cogent. But in today's world, I've come to realize that it is not safe for an ISP to use any ONE transit provider. Those days are over. The ISP is to vulnerable to the MANY MANY things that can go wrong and disputes that can develop. My recommendation is to choose what ever option will allow them to have atleast Two providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent I don't have them, but I'm saying what I hear. Everything on their network is great. Sometimes there's issues with their peering locations. Everyone has them, but Cogent seems to have more. That's because they're the red-headed stepchild of the carrier world. None of the carriers really like them, but they have to because they have such a presense. I would only use Cogent in a BGP mix. I wo uld also use them for P2P traffic. There's no point in using your more expensive upstreams for a best-effort service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent Is anyone using Cogent as a bandwidth provider? Pros and cons? Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of 1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that had worked with him. I am glad he left (or was asked to leave, I don't know which), because the corporate culture I have always worked under and tried to foster is a much different type and Lord knows I don't do well with autocrats -- I am, er, a bit too opinionated. I am now into my 9th year. Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing, first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what he is up to now. Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Fortunately Allen you did get 1/2 in cash and you were smart enough to sell your shares as soon as you could. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:24 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Hello Allen, Good to see you back and doing well. Curious to hear your take on the MobilePro saga. On or off list is good with me. The Friends Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the MobilePro saga. It means a lot to me that some of you have asked about me. It has hit me that although only have a handful of friends here in town, I did have 100+ friends in this industry! Thank you all for your kind thoughts and I do apologize for dropping off the planet like I did. That was my loss more than anyone else's. You are some of the finest people I have ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet staff. You know how I felt about my crew. Heck, you all helped me train them! ;) The Saga I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it out of the way and move on to more positive things like the goodthings I have been up to in the past year or two. I tell you The Saga not as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, LOL) well...because some of you asked me too (cough cough Brad Belton cough cough). Here goes.. It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, for inside industry people like us, or else this might be extremely Off Topic for this list. As a WISP, this is not as easy story for me to tell. Not a happy story for me. I would like to tell the story and forget as much as possible and move on. Perhaps there is something that you can learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide) The Disclaimer It has been over 3 years since the sale of my (W)ISP to MobilePro. I am no longer under any agreement or obligation. I am now entitled to express my opinion right or wrong. This is my opinion and only my opinion. The Beginning Roll the clock back to 2004. Life is pretty good. Speaking at WISPCON. Drinking Romulan Ale with some of the finest people on the planet. (now argue that point) Why on earth would I want to sell my company? The WISP of my dreams? Whatsup wit dat? There were a whole host of reasons for selling out and many of which were personal some were reasonable, and some might have been downright psychotic. Here are some of the reasons I had for selling, just in case any of you ever consider selling yourself. That might be one of the most difficult decisions you ever make. Choose wisely! (A) I was not a pureplay. We offered wireless, DSL, dialup, T1, hosting, web design, hotspots, you name it, I tried it all. My problems began as I began to take a beating on dialup amid new competition with cablemodem and several DSL carriers. I was bleeding revenues about 1% of month despite growth in broadband areas (DSL, wireless and T1) But I was all over the Northern state. Not much DSL and T1 out there in the boonies. And wireless was relatively a new trick for everyone back in those days. I was debt free until 1999 when I acquired the second largest ISP in the area (I was the largest). With this new debt, I borrowed even more to host all these new customers. (The old ISP was using crap) I got a good interest rate with the bank and with my father, both who backed me. LOL, then we REALLY started growing fast! (mainly dialup) So much of this debt was the result of left over baggage from the dial days plus the acquisition
Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent
Tom DeReggi wrote: Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen occasionally, the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving Cogent's network. I'd call this a problem with the other provider. It a complicated game, stategizing who's network will carries the majority burden and cost to backhaul the traffic the majority path. All I can say is, when Cogent carries the data the majority path, the performance/latency is better. We've had Cogent for 7 years and thats why we've kept them. Many providers meet their price, They are not just the lowest cost option anymore. Cogent tech support is also very good. I think it is important to point out that Tom is connected to Cogent in DC, which is the one place in the entire world where Cogent is fully peered. The performance of Cogent in other cities will never be as good as it is in DC until the Cogent peering situation changes. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent
Hello Jory - Matt, Thank you for the kind words Jory and the referral Matt. I'm only interjecting here just to clarify that nearly every opportunity presented to BelWave has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. In this particular case there were several criteria that dictated the price per MB. Certainly we can offer better per MB pricing, but that comes with different terms. With the constraints we had to work with I am extremely confident there is not a better deal available that will offer a comparable level of service. Obviously I can't go into the details, but we're confident we met every requirement requested for the opportunity to earn the business. More importantly the continued business and ongoing relationship beyond this short term deal. We appreciate the opportunity and look forward to working with WCCS. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent Yes Belwave is there and they come highly recommended. I have talked with them and they seem like good people. I will sign a contract with them this week I hope. I was just wanting to find a better price per meg but it does not look like it will happen. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent Jory Privett wrote: If you sell a national backbone what do you have in North Texas? I need bandwidth desperately and cant find anything less than about $250/Meg. I know you meant to send this offlist and ultimately, you did, but I figured I would respond onlist in case others have a similar. In fact, this whole thread started with the concept that you shouldn't have to pay $250/meg. First of all, we are only built out in major cities, so we don't have a network near you. However, cheaper bandwidth shouldn't be too far away. I know there are plenty of wireless companies operating in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and it looks like you are about 40 miles outside of Fort Worth. Have you talked to another wireless company about bandwidth? I believe BelWave is in Fort Worth and their network may include parts of North West Fort Worth making the shot even less than 40 miles. I happened to ask offlist for some information on the closest tower Jory has to Fort Worth. Using that information I came up with the attached backhaul figured using 5800Mhz. The other side of the shot is the D.R. Horton Tower, which I would think cheaper bandwidth would be available. It would also appear that plenty of other buildings should be accessible. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
No. It worked. They were great engineers. The technology just worked at 128mbps. They failed because they didn;t know how to do math. They were over confident as VC funded companies were back then, and Tower companies hosed them on reoccurring costs, and them approving way to much for their build out costs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet. They failed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably won't work. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and always will be one of the good guys. One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop and good wireless connection :) and write a book. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of 1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that had worked with him. I am glad he left (or was asked to leave, I don't know which), because the corporate culture I have always worked under and tried to foster is a much different type and Lord knows I don't do well with autocrats -- I am, er, a bit too opinionated. I am now into my 9th year. Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing, first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what he is up to now. Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Fortunately Allen you did get 1/2 in cash and you were smart enough to sell your shares as soon as you could. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:24 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Hello Allen, Good to see you back and doing well. Curious to hear your take on the MobilePro saga. On or off list is good with me. The Friends Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the MobilePro saga. It means a lot to me that some of you have asked about me. It has hit me that although only have a handful of friends here in town, I did have 100+ friends in this industry! Thank you all for your kind thoughts and I do apologize for dropping off the planet like I did. That was my loss more than anyone else's. You are some of the finest people I have ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet staff. You know how I felt about my crew. Heck, you all helped me train them! ;) The Saga I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it out of the way and move on to more positive things like the goodthings I have been up to in the past year or two. I tell you The Saga not as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, LOL) well...because some of you asked me too (cough cough Brad Belton cough cough). Here goes.. It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, for inside industry people like us, or else this might be extremely Off Topic for this list. As a WISP, this is not as easy story for me to tell. Not a happy story for me. I would like to tell the story and forget as much as possible and move on. Perhaps there is something that you can learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide) The Disclaimer It has been over 3 years since the sale of my (W)ISP to MobilePro. I am no longer under any agreement or obligation. I am now entitled to express my opinion right or wrong. This is my opinion and only my opinion. The Beginning Roll the clock back to 2004. Life is pretty good. Speaking at WISPCON. Drinking Romulan Ale with some of the finest people on the planet. (now argue that point) Why on earth would I want to sell my company? The WISP of my dreams? Whatsup wit dat? There were a whole host of reasons for selling out and many of which were personal some were reasonable, and some might have been downright psychotic. Here are some of the reasons I had for selling, just in case any of you ever consider selling yourself. That might be one of the most difficult decisions you ever make. Choose wisely! (A) I was not a pureplay. We offered wireless, DSL, dialup, T1, hosting, web design, hotspots, you name it, I tried it all. My problems began as I began to take a beating on dialup amid new competition with cablemodem and several DSL carriers. I was bleeding
RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS
While I have not personally dug very deep - I know that USAMobility (formerly known as Arch Paging / MetroCall paging) use it and it seems to go down frequently. My suspicion is that the outages are more Hardware related than Software related Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS Any here use the BOSS software from Intrameta to manage their customer / radio / other data? We are evaluating them and would appreciate experience from the field. Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
Hello Allen, Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with MobilePro. As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law. Jack Beech and his ISP NationWide Internet was instrumental in our early creation of BelWave. Primarily we had a need to serve tenants in our own properties that were broadband starved. One thing led to another and now BelWave is where it is today. Nationwide Internet was the first MobilePro acquisition and the cornerstone ISP of the rollup. We've watched with great interest the ups and downs MobilePro has undergone. You should see the several inch thick file we have on them! lol I believe about the same time ShreveNet was being courted by MobilePro we were also being prodded for interest in participating from Jack Beech. Honestly if we felt we had something worth selling we would have shown more interest, but our growth was and still remains like many startups; off the charts. A sale multiple would have to be very aggressive in order to attract any interest from us. Additionally, Bill (my other brother) could not come to grips with exactly how MobilePro was ever going to make a profit. Certainly the early goers could benefit from a low stock price basis and hope to be able to convert as soon as possible (as Beech did and it sounds like you did), but long term the business plan in our opinion didn't make sense. Today I can't remember the last time I've seen or spoken with Beech. I think he is doing something with the games side of MobilePro, but I'm not sure of that. Kinda funny, we used to see him at birthday parties, various family activities etc, but lately he's been a ghost. I don't fault him for this as we've certainly been covered with work as well and have less time now than we did a few years ago too. Beech is a good guy and works hard. I've always respected him for what he accomplished with NationWide. Anyway, I appreciate your candidness and look forward to hearing more from you as you get back into the swing of things. BTW, that Sunstream AP (or any other gear we have) is always available for you any time! I'll be more impressed if you make the trip next time on the unicycle! LOL Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:24 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Hello Allen, Good to see you back and doing well. Curious to hear your take on the MobilePro saga. On or off list is good with me. The Friends Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the MobilePro saga. It means a lot to me that some of you have asked about me. It has hit me that although only have a handful of friends here in town, I did have 100+ friends in this industry! Thank you all for your kind thoughts and I do apologize for dropping off the planet like I did. That was my loss more than anyone else's. You are some of the finest people I have ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet staff. You know how I felt about my crew. Heck, you all helped me train them! ;) The Saga I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it out of the way and move on to more positive things like the goodthings I have been up to in the past year or two. I tell you The Saga not as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, LOL) well.because some of you asked me too (cough cough Brad Belton cough cough). Here goes.. It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, for inside industry people like us, or else this might be extremely Off Topic for this list. As a WISP, this is not as easy story for me to tell. Not a happy story for me. I would like to tell the story and forget as much as possible and move on. Perhaps there is something that you can learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide) The Disclaimer It has been over 3 years since the sale of my (W)ISP to MobilePro. I am no longer under any agreement or obligation. I am now entitled to express my opinion right or wrong. This is my opinion and only my opinion. The Beginning Roll the clock back to 2004. Life is pretty good. Speaking at WISPCON. Drinking Romulan Ale with some of the finest people on the planet. (now argue that point) Why on earth would I want to sell my company? The WISP of my dreams? Whatsup wit dat? There were a whole host of reasons for selling out and many of which were personal some were reasonable, and some might have been downright psychotic. Here are some of the reasons I had for selling, just in case any of you ever consider selling yourself. That might be one of the most difficult decisions you ever make. Choose wisely! (A)
Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent
I will also add... With the exception of one of Matt's earliest comments in this thread, some thing similar to Cogent is Poor Quality, I agree with just about everything that he said. (He uses Cogent more than he admits, but he's one of the guys that know when and where to use and not to use them.) I will even admit, that I just recently made the move to have Matt do Transit for a large segment of our network. (1 of 2 providers) I made that decission because, after much debate with him privately, I've come to realize he's is probably the smartest person that I know on the deep topics of BGP Peering and transit, and I'm confident that his network will perform for us, as we need it to, to compliment our Cogent offering. I will share why Cogent enabled us to be successful, and why we see Cogent limiting us from being successful. Cogent was an Excellent place for us to start out. They saved us loads of money, becaues we could get the performance of being in a major carrier hotel, but not actually have to be in the major carrier hotel, avoiding those costly carrier hotel fees. They also had a PtMP fiber solution that allowed a provider using lower bandwdith at their remote regions to share capacity of a 100Mbps head end. I've never second guessed my decssion to use Cogent, and I'd argue that that decession was one of the best decission that I had made, leading to our competitive advantage. But times change, as we grow This year we identified three flaws with Cogents model 1) They are very rigid on everything being 100mbps increments. This would translate to much higher bandwdith costs, as we upgraded our network to speeds higher than 100mbps. We are installing many 300mbps and GB links, although the average capacity is rarely low still. The jump to 200mbps is to limiting compared to burstable GB, and makes the transit to expensive when you are pushing only 110mbps and paying for 200mb. This becomes more of an issue when the intent is to have two transit connection providing greater than 200mbps, when the average use is low. 2) Everywhere we wanted to use different technical designs (Layer2, Bursting) they were unable to acommodate us at the locations where we needed it accommodated. Meaning they did not offer all the services remotely that they offered in a carrier hotel. 3) We no longer needed cogent's PtMP benefits locally, because we could already do it better and faster wirelessly, (Cogent Rings tend to funnel all traffic to one point before re-routing, adding more points of possoble failures apposed to direct wireless shots to where we wanted to go) So our reasons, for migrating services off of Cogent were not performance, they were stategic to find offerings that better matched our Wireless value proposition, and that would allow us to save money, offering an overall grander solution. I believe anyone doing route optimization, and not having Cogent as one of their provider, is undersighted. Because our experience has shown that Cogent has had some of teh BEST performance backhauling data across the country. But that doesn't mean that when they connect to other parties, those parties have the best paths to the customer from that point. (all sorts of Net Netrality issues involved). Where things change is when one evolves to the stage where peering is necessary to support one's client base adequately. Once you ahve a reason to be in the Carrier Hotel, there are unlimited options, and many choices of near equivellent value. When one starts out in peering, they tend to spread traffic out and no longer need as large of pipes per provider, at least not for a while. The advantage of being a small provider is that you are under the radar of teh big boys, and can make more specific routing decssions, apposed to goliaths like Cogent that have to make broad routing decissions, and constantly fighting with the other Big Boys. The one thing I ahve learned in this industry, without second guess is never pay one penny more for something, longer than you have to, beyond a period where you receive value for having paid for those services. Pay for it when you need it. In the early stages, it made sense to simplify life, and have a company like Cogent manage our IPs, and our Transit/BGP, they did it better, when we were to small to justify the time and effort required to manage it. But once one grows past that point, one develops the flexibilty and scale to justify using each provider for the application that they are best capable to deliver. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent Tom DeReggi wrote: Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone says, when ever we see
RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Clint, You were doing fairly well leading this thread until you stumbled (or smooth fell down) on point #3. If a WISP were to act/re-act in a fashion such as that it would elicit several consequences: 1. Whatever chance the offended WISP had at legal recourse is now defunct and irrelevant. It is the same as throwing in the towel. It is comparable to complete surrender and admission to defeat in the industry that he had chosen. It is admission and belief that the other guy is better than I am and that is a tough pill to swallow. 2. It now opens the original offended WISP to legal battles and lawsuits himself by the originator of the noise. If the WISP turns his AP's around that means he no longer has clients attached and it is absolutely INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE. 3. It also proves that the operator is not a professional at all and has no place here at WISPA or any professional wireless organization in the Country. I don't think that you as a professional consultant would actually suggest this eh? I am going to choose to think that was just rambling on list and get on with the thread since it is about as an unprofessional statement as I have read on any WISPA list this year. Clarification would be a good thing at this point. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years back the following solution that had worked for him in such situations: 1. Go to the offending provider 2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away 3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs. Is there legal recourse? Perhaps, but civil would be the only way that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in such a pursuit is not to be understated. See a good telecom lawyer if you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem, then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth it A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom lawyer). It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably don't either... Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is unlicensed. Which means you don't actually have rights to anything. Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy... There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small country to get licensed over unlicensed On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved. or any unlicensed frequency Matt Liotta wrote: No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove to a jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that is interfering with your business then you can certainly win a tortuous interference suit against the company in question regardless of whether the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should immediately send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After the deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an injunction to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both done. If you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof. -Matt --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA
Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
David Peterson wrote: if he is deliberately attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal course of business. As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer. This is the direction I would think would be succesfull. Deliberately interfering. Not just performing. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy
David, You (or anyone) can't impede a man's established business or cause him to not be able to conduct his business without legal recourse. It doesn't have be anything illegal about the noise and it's not about trying to shut out the competition. It's all about co-location and the ability to use gear that is spectrally friendly that enables everyone to get their respective job's done - peacefully. There are solutions out there that is all of those things - - well let me take it one step further by saying almost all other gear built today is spectrally co-locatable and spectrally friendly EXCEPT Canopy and maybe some of the really old gear built years ago at the time of the Dinosaur like the Western Multiplexer and some old Proxim gear. I do believe that 10 WISPs can operate in the same area as long as everyone tries to play nice. The gear (radios and antenna choices) that is built today is absolutely capable of getting along with other wireless gear in the air today and not interfere. The way I see it is like this: If someone deployed canopy where there are already wireless operator's conducting business - he chose canopy to upset the apple cart on purpose. It was a deliberate and intentionally inflicted way to generate legal uninhabitable noise for the other operators. You think that ain't a law suit?? HAH! Not when the world is full of other really fine choices that are just as good and less expensive. I don't think there is a jury in the world given the facts of Canopy's bastard creation, deliberate spectrum annihilator, their mind set when as well as their ads when they developed this demonic purposefully unfriendly gear. Why is it that no one else in the manufacturing industry is making spectrally inefficient unfriendly, un-co locatable, annihilating gear today/ Is it because they can't? That is an absurd thought - excuse me. The real reason that no one else does this is because it would become a pissing war over night. It wouldn't be a year and our entire precious spectrum allotted by the FCC would be uninhabitable and useless by the entire industry. It shows complete and total disregard for the FCC, other operators, other industry manufacturers of wireless gear and most of all it shows a complete and total; lack of professionalism from Moto by not helping to protect what you and I do to make a living by preserving and fostering great care of our small amount of free spectrum!! They are Bull's in the China shop! I wonder what the real professionals like Alvarion, Trango, Proxim and the untold others really say about Canopy in their closets? I would give anything to hear their take on Moto's disgrace of the spectrum. I made the statement the other day that I wished the FCC would make Moto recall their gear and ban it in the USA. I stand by that and believe it would be the right thing to do since it was created to be a deliberate noise generator for the entire spectrum. I don't think this will ever happen without some serious out crying from other wireless operators in the industry in the future. I am a hard head from way back. I stand on principal and integrity. I believe we all ought to get along in every avenue of life - not just on the WISP level. This Moto crap is for the birds since they build gear that intentionally gets along with no one but themselves - and only then IF YOU BUY THEIR GPS SYNC! It's a sales ploy, it's an add on that cost the operator more money and it's a must if you deploy very much canopy in any one area. You can't survive without it. Moto marketing and engineers are a Genius!! On the other hand - I wish I had GPS sync options on my gear, but that's another thread and topic! :) I guess that was about .07 cents worth this morning - -where's my change? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Peterson Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Hey Mac, You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. : However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread. If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise floor, should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by asking that he be shut down? What if 15 move into your area and all compete? The only way that I could see having a leg to stand on is if he is deliberately attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal course of business. As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I disagree totally :) with all respect! I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built
Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Let me clarify what I was trying to say; if it came across the wrong way, please excuse my irresponsibility of posting at 3:30 in the morning and not necessarily being as coherent as I may like to have been. To some extent, this is a common issue for all sorts of businesses--not just WISPs. Most SMB organizations (be it Rotary, chambers, trade organizations, or likewise) have a heavy emphisis on what can best be summarized by fair business practices. (Rotary's is it fair is a good example) While some may point to this as a moral issue (which it is to some degree), I tend to view this as simply good business practices. While it is not necessarily the most intuitive concept to some new business owners, most people who have been in business for a while learn that engaging in unfair business practices ultimately hurt themselves in the long run and are often not even a good ideal from a fiscal/business sense. (That isn't to say that some people don't profit from this, but by and large, most people suffer). For example (I am in the process of moving), one of the lenders I have been shopping at for a mortgage has been very insulting towards his competition. While, on the surface, I suppose he feels that he is advertising himself as better; most customers take from the experience that lenders are generally a corrupt bunch. Bad mouthing your competition, in the end, bad-mouths the industry as a whole and makes it harder for anyone to get customers in the future. I generally have a bad feel for real estate agents for just this reason; as such, when selling my house, I did a for sale by owner. This is because I've heard enough unprofessional/malicious comments about various real estate agents from other agents that I've generally gotten the idea that I don't have good odds of getting a reliable agent... In any case, what I was relating was not a plan of action, but a brief outline of a conversation that was related to me. New businesses, of all sorts, sometimes do have to be explained some basic principles of doing business...a lot of this is general (ie the basic rotary/chamber stuff), some of it is industry specific (interference on unlicensed spectrum). In the end, the point of the conversation is to make it clear that a good business culture is the only culture in which ANYONE can build a business model. In the case of WISPs, the only way ANYONE has a business model is for EVERYONE to participate in a culture of trust and cooperation--noise is much easier to cause than signal. If a new upstart has the short sighted vision that knocking off the competition using malicious tactics will gain them customers, explaining to them that, in such an environment, no one has any reliability on their business model may be in order. BTW, for the record, I don't advocate actually knocking off, or (tactily or otherwise) threatening retaliation...one, it removes any and all opportunity of legal recourse, two, it is unethical, and three, it is generally bad business practice. However, a face to face conversation explaining that this is really in no ones best interest be in order, and, if conducted tactfully and in the right spirit, may achieve what legal action may not be able to do. This is, in my mind, not too different from one competitor maliciously maligning another--the first option is to be professional, take them out to lunch, and discuss it civilly (not threatening to malign them back, but explaining that they are damaging the integrety of their profession and, subsequently, pushing customers to explore other routes. If a customer has a problem with a WISP not being able to deliver good service, they often will look for a hard-line replacement, not a competitive WISP. Competition is a funny thing, since, there is either an enviroment where WISPs are viable, or there isn't. This is true for any type of business. I hope this clears this up; again, for the record, I wasn't advocating retalitory strike or even really threatening a retalitory strike, but simply having a conversation explaining that there is no win-lose situation based on malicious business practices, simply, in the end, lose-lose. -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 9/13/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint, You were doing fairly well leading this thread until you stumbled (or smooth fell down) on point #3. If a WISP were to act/re-act in a fashion such as that it would elicit several consequences: 1. Whatever chance the offended WISP had at legal recourse is now defunct and irrelevant. It is the same as throwing in the towel. It is comparable to complete surrender and admission to defeat in the industry that he had chosen. It is admission and belief that the other guy is better than I am and that is a tough pill to swallow. 2. It now opens the original offended WISP to legal battles and lawsuits himself by the originator of the noise. If the WISP turns his AP's around that means he no longer has
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing, first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what he is up to now. Yeah me neither. But it is interesting to note that MobilePro's CEO (Jay Wright) was also at Wave Wireless (Speedcom) with Bruce back during that time functioning as their CFO. The good ole boys network was alive and well. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: [Tranzeo] Does any one know of software that can read tranzeo radios signal strength on snmp?
Ok, SEVERAL people asked me for this information so here goes cross posted even! There are several different methods of gaining access to several different statistics on the Tranzeo radios. 1. The Web interface. (slow, slow and still slow... then multiply that by 2-700 radios. 2. Screen scraping or downloading the /com/ui.js file from each radio (total PITA! Get ready for base64 encoding hell.) 3. SNMP. A little faster, but requires some know how. I use option 1 to with the application curl http://curl.haxx.se/ to update radio firmware: An example curl operation would be to upload firmware to the radio unit: c:\.\curl -F [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/upload.cgi I brute force this operation by making a text file with one line per radio. BEWARE this method can BREAK your radio!! WARNING!!!. A few minutes after I run this script, I the firmware version on the radio with SNMP (below) I used to use option 2 to get signal strength from the radios, I stopped doing this. Now, on to the question asked I use SNMP to query the radios for lots of data. To Start, get familiar with SNMP. You will need a few things. 1. A membership to WISPA: ASAP. Only 25ish a month, more than worth it! 2. A SNMP browser or walker of some sort: Windows users can get Getif http://www.wtcs.org/snmp4tpc/getif.htm a great little SNMP toy. All others can get the iReasoning Java based SNMP browser http://www.ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml I use this one on OS X and it works great. 3. The Tranzeo private MIB: Download any firmware upgrade and extract the tranzeo.mib file. http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?downloaduid=163 4. The IEEE802dot11-MIB and IF-MI: from the ByteSphere MIB repository http://www.oidview.com/mibs/detail.html 802.11: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/0/IEEE802dot11-MIB.html Click the zip file icon to download it. IF-MIB: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/0/IF-MIB.html Now that you have all of that.. let's browse! 1. Toss the MIBs into the MIB folder of the getif or open iReasoning and import the MIBs into that application. 2. Setup the Tranzeo radio under Administrative Settings - Read Community - Read Community. (use something OTHER than a password you already use. This data is cleartext over the air and EASY to access! While it won't allow people to change things, they can tell how much bandwidth etc you are using and size up your customer base etc...) 3. Setup the Tranzeo radio under Statistics - Check all of the boxes and click apply settings. This will allow you access to all of the 802.11 information. 4. open your MIB browser up and navigate to the following MIB: iso - org - dod - internet - private - enterprises - tranzeo Under this heading you will find signal - rssi and Signal - noise. There is a high, low and average for each of these headings. Pay attention to the OID listed for the items you are clicking on. In the case of rssi - signalaverage the OID is .1.3.6.1.4.1.24575.1.1.2 Now how do we use all of this?!? 1. MRTG: This application is your friend. You do NOT want to be caught with your pants down when a customer calls you and tells you things are not fast enough or when you need to call and ISP and you need hard data. This application works on unix, windows, even netware!? http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/. I use this software to monitor several thousand switch ports, power usage, wind direction... well, just about everything. If you need to scale this application, you can upgrade the back-end to rrd-tool http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/ You can find really basic config snippets here: http://www.cspott.com/mrtg Look carefully at the config lines and notice that I multiply everything by -1. MRTG cannot handle negative numbers multiplying by -1 reverses that. The result will be that all of your graphs will be upside down. 2. Cacti: This application is VERY pretty and after you get into the cacti mindset, really easy to configure. I personally like the fact that I can click and drag and really get details as to what is going on. http://cacti.net/ There is an XML template here for Cacti. http://forums.cacti.net/about20777.htmlhighlight=tranzeo since cacti is independent of MRTG and uses rrdtool as its backend, it can handle negative numbers. 3. Nagios: This application is the end all of monitoring, it can monitor just about anything. I have it monitoring for ping, and webpage load times on my customers radios. Since MRTG/Cacti will not graph text strings, I have Nagios check every few minutes via SNMP for the following OIDs: .1.2.840.10036.1.1.1.9.1 - SSID that the radio is associated to. .1.2.840.10036.3.1.2.1.3.1 - the Device Name assigned to the radio (it is a good reality check when you start getting IP address all mixed up!) .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3 - system uptime (is the customer rebooting constantly?!) .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.1 - sysDescr (this gives the firmware and tells you that you have an 0dBi int. antenna!) I hope all of this helps those on
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with MobilePro. As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law. Am I reading this right? Jack Beech is your brother? Your last name is Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack Beech is your brother-in-law? Sorry for my confusion. And thanks for the clarification. I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
I had to read that through a couple of times to get it...Beech is his brother's brother in law. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with MobilePro. As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law. Am I reading this right? Jack Beech is your brother? Your last name is Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack Beech is your brother-in-law? Sorry for my confusion. And thanks for the clarification. I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis BTW, I owe you a steak Mac. If you ever make it to Shreveport, I will name the place. You won't be sorry. Mac you are one hellova guy and I will never forget camp sagnasty God Bless. Allen [Mac says] You better watch it - I will be in Shreveport about Supper time tonight :) (Supper is equal to Dinner for all you Yanks - we have 3 meals a day in the South: breakfast, dinner and supper) Camp Shagnasty still has all the fine benefits of cooking, eating, drinking and comradery! We have managed to get started playing Texas Hold 'em here on the weekends for a $5.00 buy in and that has been a lot of fun, a BIG A HDTV with all the football channels and we have been known to do some other things as well, but I don't think it's wise to speak of such on list since it may draw a real big crowd :) Come on over anytime - guaranteed you won't leave unscathed or hungry! Mac ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
Canopy was not initially developed for the military. It was built ground up for WISPs. When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but internal issues kept it from the market for a few years. During that time, the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things they had when they designed it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations .I would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed... Mac, That will happen when the 'cow jumps the moon'. Don't know if you all know the story of how Moto Canopy was developed ? It was developed for the military to begin with ...you take it from thereevery thing that you all dislike about the Moto Canopy system were specifically designed as 'features' . -:) Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I disagree totally :) with all respect! I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built something that is totally spectrally unfriendly - on purpose! The commercial that they use to air was the last man standing. I didn't say that Canopy didn't build some pretty good gear - I said I hate their guts and wouldn't hang it if it were given to me for free due to the noise they create. I would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed. I can produce that commercial/ad in court and if you think you would stand a chance in civil court against an ad like that - - you are in for a surprise - - -unlicensed spectrum or not! We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Peterson Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I would have to disagree with most of this thread. You have two things going against you in this. 1. A free market economy. 2. License Free spectrum. You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your area than you can if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door. This is a critical component of American society, so I doubt that any judge would even allow the suit to ever get in front of a jury. If you can prove they are doing something illegal, like shooting your antennas with a .22 you might have a chance. License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference. Period. If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of business. Let's face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all other equipment in its spectrum. By now, someone would have sued Canopy both on their equipment and on their marketing. (Who has seen the Wireless Thug pic at the shows. I know I have.) Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such as amps, etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating. David Peterson WirelesGuys Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Jack, I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the interference. If someone moves into an area established by you - where you have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs some Canopy and creates the inability to recover from the noise - - that is a law suit in the making. I am sure you would have to do all you could do and present the evidence of such, but the one who knocked you oout of business would be responsible for your lost income. My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this is and what grounds he bases this line of thought. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations Onlist for my reply. It's also a good onlist discusion. I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause harm to the business or operation and or for financial gain. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be worthy of taking to court. But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be brought against the
Re: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
Allen: No corrections - you got it right about Sprint's fixed MMDS customers, using Hybrid Networks gear (is the vendor that took over for HN still around?) called Sprint Broadband Direct. As far as I know, they're still out there, though their numbers are way, way down as Sprint (or their subcontractor - perhaps Kite) had some INCREDIBLE problems that drove SBD customers to find ANY other source of Broadband Internet Access, including satellite. One of the most damning (and one of the most fundamental services for an ISP) issues was unreliable DNS. I was subscribed to a mailing list by SBD users, and the complaints about unreliable DNS were amazing. Like you... I've learned the slow, sad, hard way over the decade that I've been writing about Broadband Wireless Internet Access that SO many companies that entered into the BWIA industry were never about actually providing services, but rather ALL about, either subtly, or overtly, purely stock scams. They did the minimum that they could get away with while pumping out press releases for even the most mundane corporate accomplishments, paid handsome salaries, and exercised atrocious technical judgment. The example you cite from personal experience is but one of many such stories. Some of the most egregious, such as Teligent and WinStar were detailed in a chapter of Om Malik's EXCELLENT book Broadbandits. An acquaintance of mine here in the Seattle area tells a story eerily similar to yours about the outcome of selling his very-well regarded ISP to WinStar. All this said... the trend towards consolidation / rollups of ISPs / WISPs is real and continuing, and there are a number of acquirers out there that ARE doing a good job of consolidation. I think it all boils down to due diligence on the part of those selling a business - if you can't make sense of the potential acquirer's business model or talk to the leadership of previously acquired companies and hear good things from them, you might want to think twice. Thanks for taking the time, and soul searching to offer your cautionary tale, Allen! Steve On 9/12/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Old Sprint MMDS Project Steve Stroh can correct me if I'm wrong. His memory is much better than mine. But recall the old Sprint MMDS network in Phoenix and a few other markets? They had about 15k or 20k users at one time as I recall before they put a freeze on signups back years ago. 20k isn't much by my dial-up standards, but this was the largest fixed wireless network in the country IIRC. Well Sprint found someone named Jerry Sullivan at Kite Networks (Old Tritel mogul?) to contract out the maintenance of these licensed spectrum fixed wireless customers owned by Sprint. MOBL buy's Kite from Jerry for something like $20MM (I forget). (wink wink) Last month, MOBL just sold Kite to someone called Gobility for barely $2MM only the deal has fallen through cause they can't get funding or something. Whatever.. So this represents yet another major stockholder loss. As a side note, Robert Hoskins at Broadband Wireless Exchange was so duped. Even at this moment he lists MobilePro as the largest WISP in the USA by Robert. LMAO……I don't believe it, do you? http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/ MOBL owns very few true wireless customers. Sprint owns all those MMDS customers. Robert is smarter than that so I have to wonder. Sprint is technically the largest WISP in the nation measure by customers OWNED rather than customers served as a subcontractor. But Sprint never claimed that honor (or got to Robert for the publicity) Sorry Robert, I'm not dissing you. Just disappointed for the lack of due diligence or whatever. Quite a big zit on your website if you ask me. Butr hey, what do I know. snip Allen am at bandwise dot com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
I echo Mike's contention that Canopy was developed directly for use by Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers... but not necessarily the small, highly entrepreneurial Wireless ISPs. In my discussions with some key Canopy personnel over the years, some of whom were remarkably candid, some interesting things came out: * Canopy was originally designed to take advantage of the burgeoning demand for Broadband Internet Access in ulta-high-density markets such as China. For a variety of reasons, that market never actually materialized, but Motorola (barely) decided to continue Canopy anyway * Canopy was almost killed several times. One manager fell on his sword and retired prematurely as a result of his forceful, but successful lobbying to let Canopy emerge as a product * Motorola was eventually surprised at how well Canopy was received by the market. For some time Canopy was kept at arm's length within Motorola, which during that time Motorola barely acknowledged that Canopy was actually a Motorola product. Even after Motorola grudgingly embraced Canopy as an official product, there was at least one very serious attempt to shop the Canopy division around to other BWIA vendors. I heard this from several vendors who Motorola approached. * Part of Motorola's reluctance to embrace Canopy is that it cannibalized some of Motorola's system integration work to build public safety Broadband Wireless systems - Motorola was horrified when some public safety agencies actually deployed Canopy systems themselves (no lucrative systems integration contract)... on the (talk about unintended consequences) reputation that Canopy was a Motorola product. * Canopy was designed for very large deployments by those not necessarily highly skilled in RF issues - hence the one-piece unit. If a service provider followed the Canopy deployment instructions scrupulously, it almost always worked. * Motorola KNEW, well in advance, that there would eventually be more 5 GHz spectrum made available in the US - what's now called the 5.4 GHz band, thus spectral efficiency wasn't an overriding criteria in Canopy's original design. * Canopy's three design criteria were that it be simple to deploy, robust and reliable in operation, and cheap to manufacture and sell. Deep down, Canopy's modulation is (pretty much, kind of) FM, adapted for Broadband and Digital operation. (Yes, I know this is probably technically inaccurate and horribly oversimplified, but that's the way it was described as the genesis of Canopy's modulation scheme - it was based on the robustness of FM communicaitons, of which Motorola is a world class expert. * The 2.4 GHz and 902-928 MHz versions of Canopy were purely an afterthought, not part of the original plans for Canopy; both were developed only in response to large deployments who needed the frequency diversity and the penetration characteristics of 902-928 MHz. Thanks, Steve On 9/13/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canopy was not initially developed for the military. It was built ground up for WISPs. When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but internal issues kept it from the market for a few years. During that time, the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things they had when they designed it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS
Have you seen some of the hardware they use?! In one of my colo towers I looked in their rack. I think I saw both a vacuum tube and a roll of tin foil in there! That rack must have put out 1500W of heat as well. They have since upgraded the equipment so perhaps USAMobility is pulling out of a dive. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS While I have not personally dug very deep - I know that USAMobility (formerly known as Arch Paging / MetroCall paging) use it and it seems to go down frequently. My suspicion is that the outages are more Hardware related than Software related Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS Any here use the BOSS software from Intrameta to manage their customer / radio / other data? We are evaluating them and would appreciate experience from the field. Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
All flavors of Canopy support 5mhz steps. Centers are 5735, 5740, 5745 and so on. I think they are 10-12 mhz wide...i could be wrong on that. -Eric Jack Unger wrote: Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy
Well Mac, the FCC is not unaware of these things. This is part of the reason why EVERY new band opened up since 2003 added technical requirements like ATPC (now mandatory for 5.3 as well). ATPC automatically turns down the power to only that needed to maintain the link. (Some systems, like ours, use an intelligent ATPC that works per connection per CPE and dynamically, as well as other features like narrow antennas, distance learning, etc. and we added these things long before there were rules on the subject.) Also, the rules for 3.65 take it even further, since the FCC -- even in the original RO from March 2005 -- said they reserved the right to NOT grant equipment approvals for systems they felt were designed in part to harm other systems. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy David, You (or anyone) can't impede a man's established business or cause him to not be able to conduct his business without legal recourse. It doesn't have be anything illegal about the noise and it's not about trying to shut out the competition. It's all about co-location and the ability to use gear that is spectrally friendly that enables everyone to get their respective job's done - peacefully. There are solutions out there that is all of those things - - well let me take it one step further by saying almost all other gear built today is spectrally co-locatable and spectrally friendly EXCEPT Canopy and maybe some of the really old gear built years ago at the time of the Dinosaur like the Western Multiplexer and some old Proxim gear. I do believe that 10 WISPs can operate in the same area as long as everyone tries to play nice. The gear (radios and antenna choices) that is built today is absolutely capable of getting along with other wireless gear in the air today and not interfere. The way I see it is like this: If someone deployed canopy where there are already wireless operator's conducting business - he chose canopy to upset the apple cart on purpose. It was a deliberate and intentionally inflicted way to generate legal uninhabitable noise for the other operators. You think that ain't a law suit?? HAH! Not when the world is full of other really fine choices that are just as good and less expensive. I don't think there is a jury in the world given the facts of Canopy's bastard creation, deliberate spectrum annihilator, their mind set when as well as their ads when they developed this demonic purposefully unfriendly gear. Why is it that no one else in the manufacturing industry is making spectrally inefficient unfriendly, un-co locatable, annihilating gear today/ Is it because they can't? That is an absurd thought - excuse me. The real reason that no one else does this is because it would become a pissing war over night. It wouldn't be a year and our entire precious spectrum allotted by the FCC would be uninhabitable and useless by the entire industry. It shows complete and total disregard for the FCC, other operators, other industry manufacturers of wireless gear and most of all it shows a complete and total; lack of professionalism from Moto by not helping to protect what you and I do to make a living by preserving and fostering great care of our small amount of free spectrum!! They are Bull's in the China shop! I wonder what the real professionals like Alvarion, Trango, Proxim and the untold others really say about Canopy in their closets? I would give anything to hear their take on Moto's disgrace of the spectrum. I made the statement the other day that I wished the FCC would make Moto recall their gear and ban it in the USA. I stand by that and believe it would be the right thing to do since it was created to be a deliberate noise generator for the entire spectrum. I don't think this will ever happen without some serious out crying from other wireless operators in the industry in the future. I am a hard head from way back. I stand on principal and integrity. I believe we all ought to get along in every avenue of life - not just on the WISP level. This Moto crap is for the birds since they build gear that intentionally gets along with no one but themselves - and only then IF YOU BUY THEIR GPS SYNC! It's a sales ploy, it's an add on that cost the operator more money and it's a must if you deploy very much canopy in any one area. You can't survive without it. Moto marketing and engineers are a Genius!! On the other hand - I wish I had GPS sync options on my gear, but that's another thread and topic! :) I guess that was about .07 cents worth this morning - -where's my change? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Gino, Perfect. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks so much, jack P.S. - Thanks also to Eric Meuhleisen who also sent this info. Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations
All Steve's points reflect my understanding as well. I do not believe it was intentionally designed to mess with other systems, especially since its initial design was made long before the presence of these systems in the marketplace (even though this was not introduced until 2002 as a commercial product, the design was in place almost a decade before I believe). Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations I echo Mike's contention that Canopy was developed directly for use by Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers... but not necessarily the small, highly entrepreneurial Wireless ISPs. In my discussions with some key Canopy personnel over the years, some of whom were remarkably candid, some interesting things came out: * Canopy was originally designed to take advantage of the burgeoning demand for Broadband Internet Access in ulta-high-density markets such as China. For a variety of reasons, that market never actually materialized, but Motorola (barely) decided to continue Canopy anyway * Canopy was almost killed several times. One manager fell on his sword and retired prematurely as a result of his forceful, but successful lobbying to let Canopy emerge as a product * Motorola was eventually surprised at how well Canopy was received by the market. For some time Canopy was kept at arm's length within Motorola, which during that time Motorola barely acknowledged that Canopy was actually a Motorola product. Even after Motorola grudgingly embraced Canopy as an official product, there was at least one very serious attempt to shop the Canopy division around to other BWIA vendors. I heard this from several vendors who Motorola approached. * Part of Motorola's reluctance to embrace Canopy is that it cannibalized some of Motorola's system integration work to build public safety Broadband Wireless systems - Motorola was horrified when some public safety agencies actually deployed Canopy systems themselves (no lucrative systems integration contract)... on the (talk about unintended consequences) reputation that Canopy was a Motorola product. * Canopy was designed for very large deployments by those not necessarily highly skilled in RF issues - hence the one-piece unit. If a service provider followed the Canopy deployment instructions scrupulously, it almost always worked. * Motorola KNEW, well in advance, that there would eventually be more 5 GHz spectrum made available in the US - what's now called the 5.4 GHz band, thus spectral efficiency wasn't an overriding criteria in Canopy's original design. * Canopy's three design criteria were that it be simple to deploy, robust and reliable in operation, and cheap to manufacture and sell. Deep down, Canopy's modulation is (pretty much, kind of) FM, adapted for Broadband and Digital operation. (Yes, I know this is probably technically inaccurate and horribly oversimplified, but that's the way it was described as the genesis of Canopy's modulation scheme - it was based on the robustness of FM communicaitons, of which Motorola is a world class expert. * The 2.4 GHz and 902-928 MHz versions of Canopy were purely an afterthought, not part of the original plans for Canopy; both were developed only in response to large deployments who needed the frequency diversity and the penetration characteristics of 902-928 MHz. Thanks, Steve On 9/13/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canopy was not initially developed for the military. It was built ground up for WISPs. When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but internal issues kept it from the market for a few years. During that time, the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things they had when they designed it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago. I do appreciate you refreshing my memory. Jack Beech was somehow friends of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago. I do appreciate you refreshing my memory. Jack Beech was somehow friends of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Here is an additional cautionary thought FWIW. I always had a great reputation and so did my company. After I left, ShreveNet quickly went from being the best to the worse ISP in town. The employees scattered to the wind, but I'm still here. I thought it would be easy to start a new business however people do not forget and forgive so easily. I even had one ex-customer jokingly call me a traitor years later! You guys were the best! Why did you sell out!? I think my future customers will always wonder if I am going to sell them out again, which is always a possibility. But I'm no quitter! I outlasted a lot of Internet companies and upstream providers like uu.net Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. Anyway the moral of this lesson is do not sell out and expect to keep your career unscathed. I would not sell my entire company again unless it was enough to retire on. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright. I never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you know what I mean. Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel White Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago. I do appreciate you refreshing my memory. Jack Beech was somehow friends of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
I had more contact with Jack than I desired, but not much with Jay. The two times Jay was in town, I was working on a couple $100,000 dollar deal that MP later threw away, and the second time I was on a trip that brought in an extra 5000 dial-up customers the first year and was slated to go up to 20,000 in a year, that MP also threw away. Paul talked to Jay a lot, and had a very similar impression to the ice to the Eskimo one. Brad, Do I know you? The name sounds way to familiar. Joel NGA Support Team NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:38:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright. I never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you know what I mean. Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel White Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Sorry for the confusion. No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton) brother-in-law. Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago. I do appreciate you refreshing my memory. Jack Beech was somehow friends of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message ---
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 10:28 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: ...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and always will be one of the good guys. One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop and good wireless connection :) and write a book. Patrick your thoughtful post means a lot to me. Count me in! (I have piles of notes) I always wanted to write a book with someone like Steve or yourself, you knowto raise the overall caliper of the book. ;-) LOL. You know something.. While I was laying on my back in the dentists chair yesterday staring at the ceiling while getting a root canal, there were a few posters stapled to the ceiling to give patients something to look at. One of the posters struck me pretty hard. It showed a litter of cute puppies.. Above the picture it reads: Eat Well, Live Well, Play Well, Be Well, Sleep Well, Love Well No where in there did it say Get Rich or Die Trying: Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database information of any federal agency. For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking about, visit https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc. When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the frequency range covered by the grant. Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records. It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than two weeks. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Guys, I think I answered my own question. It looks like 5470-5725 has been approved. To keep list traffic down, there's no need to reply just to confirm. Of course, if I'm wrong I hope that a few folks will tell me. :) Thanks, jack Jack Unger wrote: Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Hey, thanks for the search tips. Correct, it's in San Jose Oct. 16-18. Maybe you can pop in and visit our WISPA booth or our reception. It could help you decompress from the WiMAX show :) jack Patrick Leary wrote: I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database information of any federal agency. For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking about, visit https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc. When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the frequency range covered by the grant. Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records. It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than two weeks. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
I will do that for sure Jack, thanks. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Hey, thanks for the search tips. Correct, it's in San Jose Oct. 16-18. Maybe you can pop in and visit our WISPA booth or our reception. It could help you decompress from the WiMAX show :) jack Patrick Leary wrote: I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database information of any federal agency. For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking about, visit https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc. When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the frequency range covered by the grant. Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records. It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than two weeks. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
I thought about going, but not after I saw the rates. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database information of any federal agency. For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking about, visit https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc. When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the frequency range covered by the grant. Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records. It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than two weeks. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Thanks Patrick, Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need more practice. :) Anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Are you going to make it to ISPCON? jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of specialty products. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
They certainly have been. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Gino, Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range? Thank you again, jack Gino Villarini wrote: From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote: Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on Beech on these boards. Brad drove out of his way to loan me a AP one time, and not everyone does that. Besides, I think the CEO and CFO had more to do with this plan, whatever it was. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
At 03:38 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote: Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright. I never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you know what I mean. Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay? I negotiated the sale of my company directly with Jay. So yes. Jack was my boss. So yes again. However I never met Jay before the sale, and I only met Jay one time for an hour or two after the sale. LOL, maybe I'm the slick willy. Yep he wired a million dollars to my attorney to buy me without ever meeting me face-to-face or laying eyes on my company. Jack did come by once or twice before hand though to check me out. The whole experience was very strange due to the lack of due diligence before the sale and other oddities... Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)
No worries here Allen, feel free to fire away. It's not like Beech is blood...lol...and it's probably good people see and hear the stories (good and bad) for their own good. I will say in Beech's defense that it sounds like he was saddled with an impossible task. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post) At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote: Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments. LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on Beech on these boards. Brad drove out of his way to loan me a AP one time, and not everyone does that. Besides, I think the CEO and CFO had more to do with this plan, whatever it was. Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
