Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Clint Ricker
Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years
back the following solution that had worked for him in such
situations:

1. Go to the offending provider
2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away
3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your
wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs.

Is there legal recourse?  Perhaps, but civil would be the only way
that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in
such a pursuit is not to be understated.  See a good telecom lawyer if
you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem,
then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth
it

A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you
are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom
lawyer).  It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the
resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably
don't either...

Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is
unlicensed.  Which means you don't actually have rights to anything.
Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy...

There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small
country to get licensed over unlicensed



On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is
 using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved.

 or any unlicensed frequency

 Matt Liotta wrote:
  No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove to a
  jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that is
  interfering with your business then you can certainly win a tortuous
  interference suit against the company in question regardless of whether
  the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should immediately
  send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After the
  deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an injunction
   to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A
  couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both done. If
  you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof.
 
  -Matt
  
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Rick Harnish
Clint,

Your solution as you stated it has no place on the WISPA list.  We will not
allow this kind of (presumed) advice to penetrate our list. I'm referring to
point No. 3 in particular.  It goes against the WISPA Code of Ethics and
against FCC policy.  I ask that you refrain from making suggestions like
this again.

Respectfully,
Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years
back the following solution that had worked for him in such
situations:

1. Go to the offending provider
2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers away
3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your
wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs.

Is there legal recourse?  Perhaps, but civil would be the only way
that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in
such a pursuit is not to be understated.  See a good telecom lawyer if
you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem,
then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth
it

A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you
are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom
lawyer).  It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the
resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably
don't either...

Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is
unlicensed.  Which means you don't actually have rights to anything.
Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy...

There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small
country to get licensed over unlicensed



On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is
 using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved.

 or any unlicensed frequency

 Matt Liotta wrote:
  No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove to a
  jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that is
  interfering with your business then you can certainly win a tortuous
  interference suit against the company in question regardless of whether
  the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should immediately
  send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After the
  deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an injunction
   to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A
  couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both done. If
  you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof.
 
  -Matt
 


 
 
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[WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said the hurricane is going to 
hover for a while.


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Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread JohnnyO
Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 
8inches of water in my yard.


Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down 
as of yet !


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Down South


How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said the hurricane is going 
to hover for a while.



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Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett

We had some pretty bad flooding a few weeks ago.


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- Original Message - 
From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Down South


Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already 
have 8inches of water in my yard.


Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls 
down as of yet !


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Down South


How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said the hurricane is 
going to hover for a while.



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RE: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Smith, Rick

woOOHOO! 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Down South

Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already
have 8inches of water in my yard.

Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls
down as of yet !

JohnnyO
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Down South


How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said the hurricane is
going 
to hover for a while.


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Re: [WISPA] Down South

2007-09-13 Thread Joe Miller
I know we are expecting some fallout from that
hurricane in south MS from the rain. Like we need any
more rain rigt now.
--- Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said
 the hurricane is going to hover for a while.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread David Peterson
Hey Mac, 

You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. :

However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread.

If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise floor, 
should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by asking that he be 
shut down?  What if 15 move into your area and all compete?  

The only way that I could see having a leg to stand on is if he is deliberately 
attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal 
course of business.

As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer.  

David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

I disagree totally :) with all respect! 

I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built
something that is totally spectrally unfriendly - on purpose! The commercial
that they use to air was the last man standing. I didn't say that Canopy
didn't build some pretty good gear - I said I hate their guts and wouldn't
hang it if it were given to me for free due to the noise they create. I
would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed. I can produce that
commercial/ad in court and if you think you would stand a chance in civil
court against an ad like that - - you are in for a surprise - - -unlicensed
spectrum or not!

  We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy! 


Mac



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of David Peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations
 
 I would have to disagree with most of this thread.  You have two things
 going against you in this.
 
 1.  A free market economy.
 2.  License Free spectrum.
 
 You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your area than
 you can if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door.
 This is a critical component of American society, so I doubt that any
 judge would even allow the suit to ever get in front of a jury.  If you
 can prove they are doing something illegal, like shooting your antennas
 with a .22 you might have a chance.
 
 License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference.
 Period.  If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of
 business.  Let's face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all other
 equipment in its spectrum.  By now, someone would have sued Canopy both
 on their equipment and on their marketing.  (Who has seen the Wireless
 Thug pic at the shows.  I know I have.)
 
 Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such as
 amps, etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating.
 
 David Peterson
 WirelesGuys Inc.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:00 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations
 
 Jack,
 
I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the
 interference. If someone moves into an area established by you  - where
 you
 have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs some Canopy
 and
 creates the inability to recover from the noise - - that is a law suit
 in
 the making. I am sure you would have to do all you could do and present
 the
 evidence of such, but the one who knocked you oout of business would be
 responsible for your lost income.
 
  My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this
 discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this
 is and
 what grounds he bases this line of thought.
 
 Mac
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of George Rogato
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
  Situations
 
  Onlist for my reply.
  It's also a good onlist discusion.
 
  I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who
  intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause
  harm
  to the business or operation and or for financial gain.
 
  I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be
 worthy
  of taking to court.
 
  But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be
 brought
  against the offending party. The same way the Ricco statutes were
 first
  used against the mob and in other racketeering cases.
 
 
  Statutory remedies for intentional acts. Many statutes provide
 remedies
  for intentional harms. Civil rights statutes provide remedies for
  intentional discrimination. Consumer fraud statutes provide remedies
  for
  unlawful trade practices. The federal 

Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone 
says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen occasionally, 
the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving Cogent's network. 
I'd call this a problem with the other provider. It a complicated game, 
stategizing who's network will carries the majority burden and cost to 
backhaul the traffic the majority path. All I can say is, when Cogent 
carries the data the majority path, the performance/latency is better. We've 
had Cogent for 7 years and thats why we've kept them.  Many providers meet 
their price, They are not just the lowest cost option anymore. Cogent tech 
support is also very good.


My concern with Cogent, is they can't keep Sales reps anymore. The first 5 
years, I enjoyed having dedicated sales reps that I could count on being 
there to address my concerns, when they needed addressed. Someone that knew 
me and my character, and knew I was not full of shxt if I had a beef.  I 
like that feeling of relationship.  Thats been gone the last 2 years. There 
is nothing I hate worse than a company that thinks its exceptable for the 
collections/accounting department to be the primary/only interface between 
the provider and the customer.  That is because in that situation, the 
provder can often come to false conclusions on topics, when they are not 
aware of all the facts and history.  IF they can't keep a sales rep for more 
than a few months, something has got to be wrong, that we do not know about. 
With all fairness, the trend that is developing, is typical of many telecoms 
as they grow large, get comfortable with the market share they desire, and 
don't think they need the high salary reps anymore.


I would only make positive recommendations for someone to use Cogent. But in 
today's world, I've come to realize that it is not safe for an ISP to use 
any ONE transit provider. Those days are over. The ISP is to vulnerable to 
the MANY MANY things that can go wrong and disputes that can develop. My 
recommendation is to choose what ever option will allow them to have atleast 
Two providers.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent


I don't have them, but I'm saying what I hear.  Everything on their network 
is great.  Sometimes there's issues with their peering locations.  Everyone 
has them, but Cogent seems to have more.


That's because they're the red-headed stepchild of the carrier world. 
None of the carriers really like them, but they have to because they have 
such a presense.  I would only use Cogent in a BGP mix.  I wo uld also use 
them for P2P traffic.  There's no point in using your more expensive 
upstreams for a best-effort service.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent



Is anyone using Cogent as a bandwidth provider?  Pros and cons?

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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO
saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary
of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of
1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that
had worked with him. I am glad he left (or was asked to leave, I don't
know which), because the corporate culture I have always worked under
and tried to foster is a much different type and Lord knows I don't do
well with autocrats -- I am, er, a bit too opinionated. I am now into my
9th year.

Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing,
first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did
not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went
south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he
did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what
he is up to now.

Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if
you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your
blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Fortunately
Allen you did get 1/2 in cash and you were smart enough to sell your
shares as soon as you could.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:24 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)


Hello Allen,

Good to see you back and doing well.  Curious to hear your take on the
MobilePro saga.  On or off list is good with me.



The  Friends

Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I 
been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the 
MobilePro saga.  It means a lot to me that some 
of you have asked about me.  It has hit me that 
although only have a handful of friends here in 
town, I did have 100+ friends in this 
industry!  Thank you all for your kind thoughts 
and I do apologize for dropping off the planet 
like I did.  That was my loss more than anyone 
else's.  You are some of the finest people I have 
ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet 
staff.  You know how I felt about my crew.  Heck, 
you all helped me train them!  ;)


The Saga

I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it 
out of the way and move on to more positive 
things like the goodthings I have been up to in 
the past year or two.  I tell you The Saga not 
as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless 
industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but 
well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, 
LOL) well...because some of you asked me too 
(cough cough Brad Belton cough cough).

Here goes..

It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, 
for inside industry people like us, or else this 
might be extremely Off Topic for this list.  As a 
WISP, this is not as easy story for me to 
tell.  Not a happy story for me.  I would like to 
tell the story and forget as much as possible and 
move on.  Perhaps there is something that you can 
learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart 
after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide)


The Disclaimer

It has been over 3 years since the sale of my 
(W)ISP to MobilePro.  I am no longer under any 
agreement or obligation.  I am now entitled to 
express my opinion right or wrong.  This is my opinion and only my
opinion.


The Beginning

Roll the clock back to 2004.  Life is pretty 
good.  Speaking at WISPCON.  Drinking Romulan Ale 
with some of the finest people on the 
planet.  (now argue that point)   Why on earth 
would I want to sell my company?  The WISP of my 
dreams?  Whatsup wit dat?   There were a whole 
host of reasons for selling out and many of which 
were personal some were reasonable, and some 
might have been downright psychotic.  Here are 
some of the reasons I had for selling, just in 
case any of you ever consider selling 
yourself.  That might be one of the most 
difficult decisions you ever make.  Choose wisely!

(A) I was not a pureplay.  We offered wireless, 
DSL, dialup, T1, hosting, web design, hotspots, 
you name it, I tried it all.  My problems began 
as I began to take a beating on dialup amid new 
competition with cablemodem and several DSL 
carriers.  I was bleeding revenues about 1% of 
month despite growth in broadband areas (DSL, 
wireless and T1) But I was all over the Northern 
state.  Not much DSL and T1 out there in the 
boonies.  And wireless was relatively a new trick 
for everyone back in those days.

I was debt free until 1999 when I acquired the 
second largest ISP in the area (I was the 
largest).  With this new debt, I borrowed even 
more to host all these new customers.  (The old 
ISP was using crap)  I got a good interest rate 
with the bank and with my father, both who backed 
me.  LOL, then we REALLY started growing fast! 
(mainly dialup)  So much of this debt was the 
result of left over baggage from the dial days 
plus the acquisition 

Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:
Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone 
says, when ever we see congestion problems, which does happen 
occasionally, the congestion usually happens several hops after leaving 
Cogent's network. I'd call this a problem with the other provider. It a 
complicated game, stategizing who's network will carries the majority 
burden and cost to backhaul the traffic the majority path. All I can say 
is, when Cogent carries the data the majority path, the 
performance/latency is better. We've had Cogent for 7 years and thats 
why we've kept them.  Many providers meet their price, They are not just 
the lowest cost option anymore. Cogent tech support is also very good.


I think it is important to point out that Tom is connected to Cogent in 
DC, which is the one place in the entire world where Cogent is fully 
peered. The performance of Cogent in other cities will never be as good 
as it is in DC until the Cogent peering situation changes.


-Matt


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RE: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Jory - Matt,

Thank you for the kind words Jory and the referral Matt.

I'm only interjecting here just to clarify that nearly every opportunity
presented to BelWave has to be evaluated on a case by case basis.  In this
particular case there were several criteria that dictated the price per MB.
Certainly we can offer better per MB pricing, but that comes with different
terms.  With the constraints we had to work with I am extremely confident
there is not a better deal available that will offer a comparable level of
service.

Obviously I can't go into the details, but we're confident we met every
requirement requested for the opportunity to earn the business.  More
importantly the continued business and ongoing relationship beyond this
short term deal.

We appreciate the opportunity and look forward to working with WCCS.


Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

Yes Belwave is there and they come highly recommended.  I have talked with 
them and they seem like good people.  I will sign a contract with them this 
week I hope.  I was just wanting to find a better price per meg  but it does

not look like it will happen.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent


 Jory Privett wrote:
 If you sell a national backbone  what do you have in North Texas?  I
 need bandwidth desperately and cant find anything less than about 
 $250/Meg.

 I know you meant to send this offlist and ultimately, you did, but I
 figured I would respond onlist in case others have a similar. In fact,
 this whole thread started with the concept that you shouldn't have to
 pay $250/meg.

 First of all, we are only built out in major cities, so we don't have a
 network near you. However, cheaper bandwidth shouldn't be too far away.
 I know there are plenty of wireless companies operating in the
 Dallas/Fort Worth area and it looks like you are about 40 miles outside
 of Fort Worth. Have you talked to another wireless company about
 bandwidth? I believe BelWave is in Fort Worth and their network may
 include parts of North West Fort Worth making the shot even less than 40
 miles.

 I happened to ask offlist for some information on the closest tower Jory
 has to Fort Worth. Using that information I came up with the attached
 backhaul figured using 5800Mhz. The other side of the shot is the D.R.
 Horton Tower, which I would think cheaper bandwidth would be available.
 It would also appear that plenty of other buildings should be accessible.

 -Matt











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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
No. It worked. They were great engineers.  The technology just worked at 
128mbps.
They failed because they didn;t know how to do math.  They were over 
confident as VC funded companies were back then, and Tower companies hosed 
them on reoccurring costs, and them approving way to much for their build 
out costs.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks



Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet. They failed.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network
before.  Which is not a good sign to me.  That's a sign that my idea
probably won't work.

Allen



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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am
just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and
always will be one of the good guys.

One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop
and good wireless connection :) and write a book.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO
saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary
of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of
1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that
had worked with him. I am glad he left (or was asked to leave, I don't
know which), because the corporate culture I have always worked under
and tried to foster is a much different type and Lord knows I don't do
well with autocrats -- I am, er, a bit too opinionated. I am now into my
9th year.

Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing,
first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did
not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went
south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he
did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what
he is up to now.

Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if
you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your
blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Fortunately
Allen you did get 1/2 in cash and you were smart enough to sell your
shares as soon as you could.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:24 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)


Hello Allen,

Good to see you back and doing well.  Curious to hear your take on the
MobilePro saga.  On or off list is good with me.



The  Friends

Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I 
been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the 
MobilePro saga.  It means a lot to me that some 
of you have asked about me.  It has hit me that 
although only have a handful of friends here in 
town, I did have 100+ friends in this 
industry!  Thank you all for your kind thoughts 
and I do apologize for dropping off the planet 
like I did.  That was my loss more than anyone 
else's.  You are some of the finest people I have 
ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet 
staff.  You know how I felt about my crew.  Heck, 
you all helped me train them!  ;)


The Saga

I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it 
out of the way and move on to more positive 
things like the goodthings I have been up to in 
the past year or two.  I tell you The Saga not 
as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless 
industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but 
well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, 
LOL) well...because some of you asked me too 
(cough cough Brad Belton cough cough).

Here goes..

It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, 
for inside industry people like us, or else this 
might be extremely Off Topic for this list.  As a 
WISP, this is not as easy story for me to 
tell.  Not a happy story for me.  I would like to 
tell the story and forget as much as possible and 
move on.  Perhaps there is something that you can 
learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart 
after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide)


The Disclaimer

It has been over 3 years since the sale of my 
(W)ISP to MobilePro.  I am no longer under any 
agreement or obligation.  I am now entitled to 
express my opinion right or wrong.  This is my opinion and only my
opinion.


The Beginning

Roll the clock back to 2004.  Life is pretty 
good.  Speaking at WISPCON.  Drinking Romulan Ale 
with some of the finest people on the 
planet.  (now argue that point)   Why on earth 
would I want to sell my company?  The WISP of my 
dreams?  Whatsup wit dat?   There were a whole 
host of reasons for selling out and many of which 
were personal some were reasonable, and some 
might have been downright psychotic.  Here are 
some of the reasons I had for selling, just in 
case any of you ever consider selling 
yourself.  That might be one of the most 
difficult decisions you ever make.  Choose wisely!

(A) I was not a pureplay.  We offered wireless, 
DSL, dialup, T1, hosting, web design, hotspots, 
you name it, I tried it all.  My problems began 
as I began to take a beating on dialup amid new 
competition with cablemodem and several DSL 
carriers.  I was bleeding 

RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS

2007-09-13 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
While I have not personally dug very deep - I know that USAMobility
(formerly known as Arch Paging / MetroCall paging) use it and it seems to
go down frequently. My suspicion is that the outages are more Hardware
related than Software related

Aaron D. Osgood

Streamline Solutions L.L.C

P.O. Box 6115
Falmouth, ME 04105 

TEL: 207-781-5561
FAX: 207-781-8067
MOBILE: 207-831-5829
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Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS

Any here use the BOSS software from Intrameta to manage their customer / 
radio / other data?  We are evaluating them and would appreciate 
experience from the field.

Thank you,

Zak Wolfinger
IT Director
CyberLink International
Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357
Fax: 888-293-3995




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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Allen,

Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with
MobilePro.  As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother,
Jack Belton, brother-in-law.  Jack Beech and his ISP NationWide Internet was
instrumental in our early creation of BelWave.  Primarily we had a need to
serve tenants in our own properties that were broadband starved.  One thing
led to another and now BelWave is where it is today.

Nationwide Internet was the first MobilePro acquisition and the cornerstone
ISP of the rollup.  We've watched with great interest the ups and downs
MobilePro has undergone.  You should see the several inch thick file we have
on them!  lol

I believe about the same time ShreveNet was being courted by MobilePro we
were also being prodded for interest in participating from Jack Beech.
Honestly if we felt we had something worth selling we would have shown more
interest, but our growth was and still remains like many startups; off the
charts.  A sale multiple would have to be very aggressive in order to
attract any interest from us.  Additionally, Bill (my other brother) could
not come to grips with exactly how MobilePro was ever going to make a
profit.  Certainly the early goers could benefit from a low stock price
basis and hope to be able to convert as soon as possible (as Beech did and
it sounds like you did), but long term the business plan in our opinion
didn't make sense.

Today I can't remember the last time I've seen or spoken with Beech.  I
think he is doing something with the games side of MobilePro, but I'm not
sure of that.  Kinda funny, we used to see him at birthday parties, various
family activities etc, but lately he's been a ghost.  I don't fault him for
this as we've certainly been covered with work as well and have less time
now than we did a few years ago too.  Beech is a good guy and works hard.
I've always respected him for what he accomplished with NationWide.

Anyway, I appreciate your candidness and look forward to hearing more from
you as you get back into the swing of things.

BTW, that Sunstream AP (or any other gear we have) is always available for
you any time!  I'll be more impressed if you make the trip next time on the
unicycle!  LOL

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:24 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)


Hello Allen,

Good to see you back and doing well.  Curious to hear your take on the
MobilePro saga.  On or off list is good with me.



The  Friends

Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I 
been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the 
MobilePro saga.  It means a lot to me that some 
of you have asked about me.  It has hit me that 
although only have a handful of friends here in 
town, I did have 100+ friends in this 
industry!  Thank you all for your kind thoughts 
and I do apologize for dropping off the planet 
like I did.  That was my loss more than anyone 
else's.  You are some of the finest people I have 
ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet 
staff.  You know how I felt about my crew.  Heck, 
you all helped me train them!  ;)


The Saga

I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it 
out of the way and move on to more positive 
things like the goodthings I have been up to in 
the past year or two.  I tell you The Saga not 
as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless 
industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but 
well...(get it? Well, that's a deep subject, 
LOL) well.because some of you asked me too 
(cough cough Brad Belton cough cough).

Here goes..

It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, 
for inside industry people like us, or else this 
might be extremely Off Topic for this list.  As a 
WISP, this is not as easy story for me to 
tell.  Not a happy story for me.  I would like to 
tell the story and forget as much as possible and 
move on.  Perhaps there is something that you can 
learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart 
after all? - (Maybe and maybe not, you decide)


The Disclaimer

It has been over 3 years since the sale of my 
(W)ISP to MobilePro.  I am no longer under any 
agreement or obligation.  I am now entitled to 
express my opinion right or wrong.  This is my opinion and only my opinion.


The Beginning

Roll the clock back to 2004.  Life is pretty 
good.  Speaking at WISPCON.  Drinking Romulan Ale 
with some of the finest people on the 
planet.  (now argue that point)   Why on earth 
would I want to sell my company?  The WISP of my 
dreams?  Whatsup wit dat?   There were a whole 
host of reasons for selling out and many of which 
were personal some were reasonable, and some 
might have been downright psychotic.  Here are 
some of the reasons I had for selling, just in 
case any of you ever consider selling 
yourself.  That might be one of the most 
difficult decisions you ever make.  Choose wisely!

(A) 

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis
Patrick, thanks for the follow up.  True, I am very fortunate and 
lucky indeed.  I did not loose any money with my shares and not all 
the ISP's can say that.  Some were only able to sell MOBL after it 
fell into the teens or lower.  I still have a beautiful wife and two 
healthy/smart kids.  And my Dad.  Friends that wish to help.  And 
a crazy new community website software package that I created and 
don't know what to do with!  :)


Allen


At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

Quite a story Allen. I am aware of some minor parts of the MobilePRO
saga. Bruce Sanquinetti was the former president of the U.S. subsidiary
of BreezeCOM. He left BreezeCOM the same week I joined in August of
1999. He was a pretty mercurial guy from what I gathered by those that
had worked with him. I am glad he left (or was asked to leave, I don't
know which), because the corporate culture I have always worked under
and tried to foster is a much different type and Lord knows I don't do
well with autocrats -- I am, er, a bit too opinionated. I am now into my
9th year.

Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing,
first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did
not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went
south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he
did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what
he is up to now.

Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if
you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your
blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash. Fortunately
Allen you did get 1/2 in cash and you were smart enough to sell your
shares as soon as you could.

Patrick




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Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi

I will also add...

With the exception of one of Matt's earliest comments in this thread, some 
thing similar to Cogent is Poor Quality, I agree with just about 
everything that he said.
(He uses Cogent more than he admits, but he's one of the guys that know when 
and where to use and not to use them.)
I will even admit, that I just recently made the move to have Matt do 
Transit for a large segment of our network. (1 of 2 providers)
I made that decission because, after much debate with him privately, I've 
come to realize he's is probably the smartest person that I know on the deep 
topics of BGP Peering and transit, and I'm confident that his network will 
perform for us, as we need it to, to compliment our Cogent offering.


I will share why Cogent enabled us to be successful, and why we see Cogent 
limiting us from being successful.


Cogent was an Excellent place for us to start out. They saved us loads of 
money, becaues we could get the performance of being in a major carrier 
hotel, but not actually have to be in the major carrier hotel, avoiding 
those costly carrier hotel fees. They also had a PtMP fiber solution that 
allowed a provider using lower bandwdith at their remote regions to share 
capacity of a 100Mbps head end.  I've never second guessed my decssion to 
use Cogent, and I'd argue that that decession was one of the best decission 
that I had made, leading to our competitive advantage. But times change, as 
we grow


This year we identified three flaws with Cogents model

1) They are very rigid on everything being 100mbps increments. This would 
translate to much higher bandwdith costs, as we upgraded our network to 
speeds higher than 100mbps.
We are installing many 300mbps and GB links, although the average capacity 
is rarely low still. The jump to 200mbps is to limiting compared to 
burstable GB, and makes the transit to expensive when you are pushing only 
110mbps and paying for 200mb. This becomes more of an issue when the intent 
is to have two transit connection providing greater than 200mbps, when the 
average use is low.
2) Everywhere we wanted to use different technical designs (Layer2, 
Bursting) they were unable to acommodate us at the locations where we needed 
it accommodated. Meaning they did not offer all the services remotely that 
they offered in a carrier hotel.
3) We no longer needed cogent's PtMP benefits locally, because we could 
already do it better and faster wirelessly, (Cogent Rings tend to funnel all 
traffic to one point before re-routing, adding more points of possoble 
failures apposed to direct wireless shots to where we wanted to go)


So our reasons, for migrating services off of Cogent were not performance, 
they were stategic to find offerings that better matched our Wireless value 
proposition, and that would allow us to save money, offering an overall 
grander solution.


I believe anyone doing route optimization, and not having Cogent as one of 
their provider, is undersighted. Because our experience has shown that 
Cogent has had some of teh BEST performance backhauling data across the 
country. But that doesn't mean that when they connect to other parties, 
those parties have the best paths to the customer from that point. (all 
sorts of Net Netrality issues involved). Where things change is when one 
evolves to the stage where peering is necessary to support one's client base 
adequately. Once you ahve a reason to be in the Carrier Hotel, there are 
unlimited options, and many choices of near equivellent value. When one 
starts out in peering, they tend to spread traffic out and no longer need as 
large of pipes per provider, at least not for a while.  The advantage of 
being a small provider is that you are under the radar of teh big boys, and 
can make more specific routing decssions, apposed to goliaths like Cogent 
that have to make broad routing decissions, and constantly fighting with the 
other Big Boys.


The one thing I ahve learned in this industry, without second guess is never 
pay one penny more for something, longer than you have to, beyond a period 
where you receive value for having paid for those services.  Pay for it when 
you need it.  In the early stages, it made sense to simplify life, and have 
a company like Cogent manage our IPs, and our Transit/BGP, they did it 
better, when we were to small to justify the time and effort required to 
manage it.  But once one grows past that point, one develops the flexibilty 
and scale to justify using each provider for the application that they are 
best capable to deliver.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternate transport providers, Cogent



Tom DeReggi wrote:
Cogent's performance is great 95% of the time. Regardless of what anyone 
says, when ever we see 

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman
Clint,

  You were doing fairly well leading this thread until you stumbled (or
smooth fell down) on point #3. If a WISP were to act/re-act in a fashion
such as that it would elicit several consequences:


1. Whatever chance the offended WISP had at legal recourse is now defunct
and irrelevant. It is the same as throwing in the towel.  It is comparable
to complete surrender and admission to defeat in the industry that he had
chosen. It is admission and belief that the other guy is better than I am
and that is a tough pill to swallow.

2. It now opens the original offended WISP to legal battles and lawsuits
himself by the originator of the noise. If the WISP turns his AP's around
that means he no longer has clients attached and it is absolutely
INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE.

3. It also proves that the operator is not a professional at all and has no
place here at WISPA or any professional wireless organization in the
Country.

I don't think that you as a professional consultant would actually suggest
this eh? I am going to choose to think that was just rambling on list and
get on with the thread since it is about as an unprofessional statement as I
have read on any WISPA list this year. Clarification would be a good thing
at this point. 

Thanks,
Mac



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Clint Ricker
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:50 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations
 
 Dustin from one of the WISPs down in Florida related a couple of years
 back the following solution that had worked for him in such
 situations:
 
 1. Go to the offending provider
 2. Relate to them that, if they proceed, they will drive your customers
 away
 3. After which point, you will have nothing better to do with your
 wireless gear than to turn it around and blast their APs.
 
 Is there legal recourse?  Perhaps, but civil would be the only way
 that I can see...not to mention that time / expense / trouble spent in
 such a pursuit is not to be understated.  See a good telecom lawyer if
 you decide to head down that route; if you are having a major problem,
 then the money spent getting their viewpoint on the matter is worth
 it
 
 A well drawn up cease and desist letter from a good attorney (if you
 are out in the boonies, don't use a local guy, pay for a telecom
 lawyer).  It is probably bluffing because I doubt you have the
 resources for a full on litigation, but, then again, they probably
 don't either...
 
 Remember, one of the liabilities of unlicensed is, well, that it is
 unlicensed.  Which means you don't actually have rights to anything.
 Which means, as is FCC policy, that take interference is policy...
 
 There are reasons why companies are bidding in the GDP of a small
 country to get licensed over unlicensed
 
 
 
 On 9/12/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Issue is that if you are using legal 2.4 equipment and the new guy is
  using legal 2.4 equipment, the fcc is not going to get involved.
 
  or any unlicensed frequency
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
   No need to get into complicated legal territory. If you can prove
 to a
   jury that a company is not complying with FCC rules in a way that
 is
   interfering with your business then you can certainly win a
 tortuous
   interference suit against the company in question regardless of
 whether
   the FCC will commence enforcement. Additionally, you should
 immediately
   send the company a cease and desist letter with a deadline. After
 the
   deadline you file a compliant with state court and ask for an
 injunction
to have the court force the company to cease their interference. A
   couple hours of your attorney's time should be able to get both
 done. If
   you have to litigate the hours will go through the roof.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread George Rogato

David Peterson wrote:
 if he is deliberately attempting to interfere with your business 
instead of pursuing his normal course of business.


As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer.  



This is the direction I would think would be succesfull. Deliberately 
interfering. Not just performing.




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RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman

   David,

   You (or anyone) can't impede a man's established business or cause him to
not be able to conduct his business without legal recourse. It doesn't have
be anything illegal about the noise and it's not about trying to shut out
the competition. It's all about co-location and the ability to use gear that
is spectrally friendly that enables everyone to get their respective job's
done - peacefully. There are solutions out there that is all of those things
- - well let me take it one step further by saying almost all other gear
built today is spectrally co-locatable and spectrally friendly EXCEPT Canopy
and maybe some of the really old gear built years ago at the time of the
Dinosaur like the Western Multiplexer and some old Proxim gear.

 I do believe that 10 WISPs can operate in the same area as long as everyone
tries to play nice. The gear (radios and antenna choices) that is built
today is absolutely capable of getting along with other wireless gear in
the air today and not interfere. The way I see it is like this: If someone
deployed canopy where there are already wireless operator's conducting
business - he chose canopy to upset the apple cart on purpose. It was a
deliberate and intentionally inflicted way to generate legal uninhabitable
noise for the other operators. You think that ain't a law suit?? HAH! Not
when the world is full of other really fine choices that are just as good
and less expensive. I don't think there is a jury in the world given the
facts of Canopy's bastard creation, deliberate spectrum annihilator, their
mind set when as well as their ads when they developed this demonic
purposefully unfriendly gear. 

Why is it that no one else in the manufacturing industry is making
spectrally inefficient  unfriendly, un-co locatable, annihilating gear
today/ Is it because they can't? That is an absurd thought - excuse me. The
real reason that no one else does this is because it would become a pissing
war over night. It wouldn't be a year and our entire precious spectrum
allotted by the FCC would be uninhabitable and useless by the entire
industry. It shows complete and total disregard for the FCC, other
operators, other industry manufacturers of wireless gear and most of all it
shows a complete and total; lack of professionalism from Moto by not helping
to protect what you and I do to make a living by preserving and fostering
great care of our small amount of free spectrum!! They are Bull's in the
China shop! I wonder what the real professionals like Alvarion, Trango,
Proxim and the untold others really say about Canopy in their closets? I
would give anything to hear their take on Moto's disgrace of the spectrum.

I made the statement the other day that I wished the FCC would make Moto
recall their gear and ban it in the USA. I stand by that and believe it
would be the right thing to do since it was created to be a deliberate noise
generator for the entire spectrum. I don't think this will ever happen
without some serious out crying from other wireless operators in the
industry in the future. I am a hard head from way back. I stand on principal
and integrity. I believe we all ought to get along in every avenue of life -
not just on the WISP level. This Moto crap is for the birds since they build
gear that intentionally gets along with no one but themselves - and only
then IF YOU BUY THEIR GPS SYNC! It's a sales ploy, it's an add on that cost
the operator more money and it's a must if you deploy very much canopy in
any one area. You can't survive without it. Moto marketing and engineers are
a Genius!! 

On the other hand - I wish I had GPS sync options on my gear, but that's
another thread and topic! :)



I guess that was about .07 cents worth this morning - -where's my change? :)


Mac




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of David Peterson
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations
 
 Hey Mac,
 
 You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. :
 
 However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread.
 
 If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise
 floor, should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by
 asking that he be shut down?  What if 15 move into your area and all
 compete?
 
 The only way that I could see having a leg to stand on is if he is
 deliberately attempting to interfere with your business instead of
 pursuing his normal course of business.
 
 As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer.
 
 David
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations
 
 I disagree totally :) with all respect!
 
 I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built

Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Clint Ricker
Let me clarify what I was trying to say; if it came across the wrong
way, please excuse my irresponsibility of posting at 3:30 in the
morning and not necessarily being as coherent as I may like to have
been.

To some extent, this is a common issue for all sorts of
businesses--not just WISPs.  Most SMB organizations (be it Rotary,
chambers, trade organizations, or likewise) have a heavy emphisis on
what can best be summarized by fair business practices.  (Rotary's
is it fair is a good example)

While some may point to this as a moral issue (which it is to some
degree), I tend to view this as simply good business practices.  While
it is not necessarily the most intuitive concept to some new business
owners, most people who have been in business for a while learn that
engaging in unfair business practices ultimately hurt themselves in
the long run and are often not even a good ideal from a
fiscal/business sense.  (That isn't to say that some people don't
profit from this, but by and large, most people suffer).

For example (I am in the process of moving), one of the lenders I have
been shopping at for a mortgage has been very insulting towards his
competition.  While, on the surface, I suppose he feels that he is
advertising himself as better; most customers take from the
experience that lenders are generally a corrupt bunch.  Bad mouthing
your competition, in the end, bad-mouths the industry as a whole and
makes it harder for anyone to get customers in the future.  I
generally have a bad feel for real estate agents for just this reason;
as such, when selling my house, I did a for sale by owner.  This is
because I've heard enough unprofessional/malicious comments about
various real estate agents from other agents that I've generally
gotten the idea that I don't have good odds of getting a reliable
agent...

In any case, what I was relating was not a plan of action, but a brief
outline of a conversation that was related to me.  New businesses, of
all sorts, sometimes do have to be explained some basic principles of
doing business...a lot of this is general (ie the basic rotary/chamber
stuff), some of it is industry specific (interference on unlicensed
spectrum).  In the end, the point of the conversation is to make it
clear that a good business culture is the only culture in which
ANYONE can build a business model.  In the case of WISPs, the only way
ANYONE has a business model is for EVERYONE to participate in a
culture of trust and cooperation--noise is much easier to cause than
signal.  If a new upstart has the short sighted vision that knocking
off the competition using malicious tactics will gain them customers,
explaining to them that, in such an environment, no one has any
reliability on their business model may be in order.

BTW, for the record, I don't advocate actually knocking off, or
(tactily or otherwise) threatening retaliation...one, it removes any
and all opportunity of legal recourse, two, it is unethical, and
three, it is generally bad business practice.  However, a face to face
conversation explaining that this is really in no ones best interest
be in order, and, if conducted tactfully and in the right spirit, may
achieve what legal action may not be able to do.  This is, in my mind,
not too different from one competitor maliciously maligning
another--the first option is to be professional, take them out to
lunch, and discuss it civilly (not threatening to malign them back,
but explaining that they are damaging the integrety of their
profession and, subsequently, pushing customers to explore other
routes.

If a customer has a problem with a WISP not being able to deliver good
service, they often will look for a hard-line replacement, not a
competitive WISP.

Competition is a funny thing, since, there is either an enviroment
where WISPs are viable, or there isn't.  This is true for any type of
business.

I hope this clears this up; again, for the record, I wasn't advocating
retalitory strike or even really threatening a retalitory strike,
but simply having a conversation explaining that there is no
win-lose situation based on malicious business practices, simply, in
the end, lose-lose.

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies







On 9/13/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Clint,

   You were doing fairly well leading this thread until you stumbled (or
 smooth fell down) on point #3. If a WISP were to act/re-act in a fashion
 such as that it would elicit several consequences:


 1. Whatever chance the offended WISP had at legal recourse is now defunct
 and irrelevant. It is the same as throwing in the towel.  It is comparable
 to complete surrender and admission to defeat in the industry that he had
 chosen. It is admission and belief that the other guy is better than I am
 and that is a tough pill to swallow.

 2. It now opens the original offended WISP to legal battles and lawsuits
 himself by the originator of the noise. If the WISP turns his AP's around
 that means he no longer has 

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing,
first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did
not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went
south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he
did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what
he is up to now.



Yeah me neither.  But it is interesting to note that MobilePro's CEO 
(Jay Wright) was also at Wave Wireless (Speedcom) with Bruce back 
during that time functioning as their CFO.  The good ole boys 
network was alive and well.


Allen




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[WISPA] RE: [Tranzeo] Does any one know of software that can read tranzeo radios signal strength on snmp?

2007-09-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Ok, SEVERAL people asked me for this information so here goes cross
posted even!

There are several different methods of gaining access to several different
statistics on the Tranzeo radios.

1. The Web interface. (slow, slow and still slow... then multiply that by
2-700 radios.
2. Screen scraping or downloading the /com/ui.js file from each radio (total
PITA! Get ready for base64 encoding hell.)
3. SNMP. A little faster, but requires some know how.

I use option 1 to with the application curl http://curl.haxx.se/ to
update radio firmware:

An example curl operation would be to upload firmware to the radio unit:
 c:\.\curl -F [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/upload.cgi

I brute force this operation by making a text file with one line per radio.
BEWARE this method can BREAK your radio!! WARNING!!!. A few minutes
after I run this script, I the firmware version on the radio with SNMP
(below)

I used to use option 2 to get signal strength from the radios, I stopped
doing this.

Now, on to the question asked

I use SNMP to query the radios for lots of data. To Start, get familiar with
SNMP. You will need a few things.

1. A membership to WISPA:
ASAP. Only 25ish a month, more than worth it!

2. A SNMP browser or walker of some sort:
Windows users can get Getif http://www.wtcs.org/snmp4tpc/getif.htm a great
little SNMP toy. All others can get the iReasoning Java based SNMP browser 
http://www.ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml I use this one on OS X and it
works great.

3. The Tranzeo private MIB:
Download any firmware upgrade and extract the tranzeo.mib file.
http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?downloaduid=163 

4. The IEEE802dot11-MIB and IF-MI:
from the ByteSphere MIB repository http://www.oidview.com/mibs/detail.html
802.11: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/0/IEEE802dot11-MIB.html Click the zip
file icon to download it.
IF-MIB: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/0/IF-MIB.html

Now that you have all of that.. let's browse!

1. Toss the MIBs into the MIB folder of the getif or open iReasoning and
import the MIBs into that application.

2. Setup the Tranzeo radio under Administrative Settings - Read Community
- Read Community. (use something OTHER than a password you already use.
This data is cleartext over the air and EASY to access! While it won't allow
people to change things, they can tell how much bandwidth etc you are using
and size up your customer base etc...)

3. Setup the Tranzeo radio under Statistics - Check all of the boxes and
click apply settings. This will allow you access to all of the 802.11
information.

4. open your MIB browser up and navigate to the following MIB:
iso - org - dod - internet - private - enterprises - tranzeo
Under this heading you will find signal - rssi and Signal - noise. There
is a high, low and average for each of these headings. 

Pay attention to the OID listed for the items you are clicking on. In the
case of rssi - signalaverage the OID is .1.3.6.1.4.1.24575.1.1.2

Now how do we use all of this?!?

1. MRTG:
This application is your friend. You do NOT want to be caught with
your pants down when a customer calls you and tells you things are not fast
enough or when you need to call and ISP and you need hard data. This
application works on unix, windows, even netware!?
http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/.  I use this software to monitor several
thousand switch ports, power usage, wind direction... well, just about
everything. If you need to scale this application, you can upgrade the
back-end to rrd-tool http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/

You can find really basic config snippets here: http://www.cspott.com/mrtg
Look carefully at the config lines and notice that I multiply everything by
-1. MRTG cannot handle negative numbers multiplying by -1 reverses that. The
result will be that all of your graphs will be upside down.

2. Cacti:
This application is VERY pretty and after you get into the cacti
mindset, really easy to configure. I personally like the fact that I can
click and drag and really get details as to what is going on.
http://cacti.net/ There is an XML template here for Cacti.
http://forums.cacti.net/about20777.htmlhighlight=tranzeo since cacti is
independent of MRTG and uses rrdtool as its backend, it can handle negative
numbers.

3. Nagios:
This application is the end all of monitoring, it can monitor just
about anything. I have it monitoring for ping, and webpage load times on my
customers radios. Since MRTG/Cacti will not graph text strings, I have
Nagios check every few minutes via SNMP for the following OIDs:

.1.2.840.10036.1.1.1.9.1 - SSID that the radio is associated to.
.1.2.840.10036.3.1.2.1.3.1 - the Device Name assigned to the radio (it is a
good reality check when you start getting IP address all mixed up!)
.1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3 - system uptime (is the customer rebooting constantly?!)
.1.3.6.1.2.1.1.1 - sysDescr (this gives the firmware and tells you that you
have an 0dBi int. antenna!)

I hope all of this helps those on 

RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:


Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with
MobilePro.  As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother,
Jack Belton, brother-in-law.


Am I reading this right?  Jack Beech is your brother?  Your last name 
is Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack 
Beech is your brother-in-law?   Sorry for my confusion.  And thanks 
for the clarification.  I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later.


Allen




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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
brother-in-law.  

Jack Belton is my brother.

Jack Beech is Jack Belton's brother-in-law.

lol


Brad


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At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with
MobilePro.  As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother,
Jack Belton, brother-in-law.

Am I reading this right?  Jack Beech is your brother?  Your last name 
is Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack 
Beech is your brother-in-law?   Sorry for my confusion.  And thanks 
for the clarification.  I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later.

Allen





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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I had to read that through a couple of times to get it...Beech is his
brother's brother in law.  :-) 

-Original Message-
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At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with 
MobilePro.  As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my 
brother, Jack Belton, brother-in-law.

Am I reading this right?  Jack Beech is your brother?  Your last name is
Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack 
Beech is your brother-in-law?   Sorry for my confusion.  And thanks 
for the clarification.  I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later.

Allen





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RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mac Dearman
 Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
 
 BTW, I owe you a steak Mac.  If you ever make it to Shreveport, I
 will name the place.  You won't be sorry.  Mac you are one hellova
 guy and I will never forget camp sagnasty God Bless.
 
 Allen
 

[Mac says] 

   You better watch it - I will be in Shreveport about Supper time tonight
:)
(Supper is equal to Dinner for all you Yanks - we have 3 meals a day in the
South: breakfast, dinner and supper)


Camp Shagnasty still has all the fine benefits of cooking, eating, drinking
and comradery! We have managed to get started playing Texas Hold 'em here on
the weekends for a $5.00 buy in and that has been a lot of fun, a BIG A HDTV
with all the football channels and we have been known to do some other
things as well, but I don't think it's wise to speak of such on list since
it may draw a real big crowd :)

Come on over anytime - guaranteed you won't leave unscathed or hungry!


Mac



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Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Canopy was not initially developed for the military.  It was built ground up 
for WISPs.  When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but 
internal issues kept it from the market for a few years.  During that time, 
the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things they 
had when they designed it.



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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:58 PM
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.I would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed...

Mac,

That will happen when the 'cow jumps the moon'.

Don't know if you all know the story of how Moto Canopy was developed ?
It was developed for the military to begin with ...you take it from
thereevery thing that  you all dislike about the Moto Canopy system 
were

specifically designed as 'features' .

-:)


Faisal Imtiaz

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Situations


I disagree totally :) with all respect!

I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built
something that is totally spectrally unfriendly - on purpose! The 
commercial

that they use to air was the last man standing. I didn't say that Canopy
didn't build some pretty good gear - I said I hate their guts and wouldn't
hang it if it were given to me for free due to the noise they create. I
would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed. I can produce that
commercial/ad in court and if you think you would stand a chance in civil
court against an ad like that - - you are in for a 
surprise - - -unlicensed

spectrum or not!

 We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy!


Mac




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Situations

I would have to disagree with most of this thread.  You have two
things going against you in this.

1.  A free market economy.
2.  License Free spectrum.

You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your area
than you can if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door.
This is a critical component of American society, so I doubt that any
judge would even allow the suit to ever get in front of a jury.  If
you can prove they are doing something illegal, like shooting your
antennas with a .22 you might have a chance.

License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference.
Period.  If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of
business.  Let's face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all
other equipment in its spectrum.  By now, someone would have sued
Canopy both on their equipment and on their marketing.  (Who has seen
the Wireless Thug pic at the shows.  I know I have.)

Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such
as amps, etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating.

David Peterson
WirelesGuys Inc.



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Situations

Jack,

   I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the
interference. If someone moves into an area established by you  -
where you have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs
some Canopy and creates the inability to recover from the noise - -
that is a law suit in the making. I am sure you would have to do all
you could do and present the evidence of such, but the one who knocked
you oout of business would be responsible for your lost income.

 My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this
discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this
is and what grounds he bases this line of thought.

Mac



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On
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
 Situations

 Onlist for my reply.
 It's also a good onlist discusion.

 I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who
 intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause
 harm to the business or operation and or for financial gain.

 I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be
worthy
 of taking to court.

 But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be
brought
 against the 

Re: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Steve Stroh
Allen:

No corrections - you got it right about Sprint's fixed MMDS customers,
using Hybrid Networks gear (is the vendor that took over for HN still
around?) called Sprint Broadband Direct. As far as I know, they're
still out there, though their numbers are way, way down as Sprint (or
their subcontractor - perhaps Kite) had some INCREDIBLE problems that
drove SBD customers to find ANY other source of Broadband Internet
Access, including satellite. One of the most damning (and one of the
most fundamental services for an ISP) issues was unreliable DNS. I was
subscribed to a mailing list by SBD users, and the complaints about
unreliable DNS were amazing.

Like you... I've learned the slow, sad, hard way over the decade that
I've been writing about Broadband Wireless Internet Access that SO
many companies that entered into the BWIA industry were never about
actually providing services, but rather ALL about, either subtly, or
overtly, purely stock scams. They did the minimum that they could get
away with while pumping out press releases for even the most mundane
corporate accomplishments, paid handsome salaries, and exercised
atrocious technical judgment. The example you cite from personal
experience is but one of many such stories. Some of the most
egregious, such as Teligent and WinStar were detailed in a chapter of
Om Malik's EXCELLENT book Broadbandits. An acquaintance of mine here
in the Seattle area tells a story eerily similar to yours about the
outcome of selling his very-well regarded ISP to WinStar.

All this said... the trend towards consolidation / rollups of ISPs /
WISPs is real and continuing, and there are a number of acquirers
out there that ARE doing a good job of consolidation. I think it all
boils down to due diligence on the part of those selling a business -
if you can't make sense of the potential acquirer's business model or
talk to the leadership of previously acquired companies and hear good
things from them, you might want to think twice.

Thanks for taking the time, and soul searching to offer your
cautionary tale, Allen!

Steve


On 9/12/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 The Old Sprint MMDS Project

 Steve Stroh can correct me if I'm wrong.  His
 memory is much better than mine. But recall the
 old Sprint MMDS network in Phoenix and a few
 other markets?  They had about 15k or 20k users
 at one time as I recall before they put a freeze
 on signups back years ago. 20k isn't much by my
 dial-up standards, but this was the largest fixed
 wireless network in the country IIRC. Well Sprint
 found someone named Jerry Sullivan at Kite
 Networks (Old Tritel mogul?)  to contract out the
 maintenance of these licensed spectrum fixed
 wireless customers owned by Sprint.

 MOBL buy's Kite from Jerry for something like
 $20MM (I forget). (wink wink) Last month, MOBL
 just sold Kite to someone called Gobility for
 barely $2MM only the deal has fallen through
 cause they can't get funding or
 something.  Whatever..  So this represents yet another major stockholder loss.

 As a side note, Robert Hoskins at Broadband
 Wireless Exchange was so duped.  Even at this
 moment he lists MobilePro as the largest WISP in
 the USA by Robert.  LMAO……I don't believe it, do you?

 http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/

 MOBL owns very few true wireless
 customers.  Sprint owns all those MMDS
 customers.  Robert is smarter than that so I have
 to wonder.  Sprint is technically the largest
 WISP in the nation measure by customers OWNED
 rather than customers served as a
 subcontractor.  But Sprint never claimed that
 honor (or got to Robert for the publicity)  Sorry
 Robert, I'm not dissing you.  Just disappointed
 for the lack of due diligence or whatever.  Quite
 a big zit on your website if you ask me.  Butr hey, what do I know.

snip

 Allen
 am at bandwise dot com


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Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Steve Stroh
I echo Mike's contention that Canopy was developed directly for use by
Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers... but not
necessarily the small, highly entrepreneurial Wireless ISPs.

In my discussions with some key Canopy personnel over the years, some
of whom were remarkably candid, some interesting things came out:
* Canopy was originally designed to take advantage of the burgeoning
demand for Broadband Internet Access in ulta-high-density markets such
as China. For a variety of reasons, that market never actually
materialized, but Motorola (barely) decided to continue Canopy anyway
* Canopy was almost killed several times. One manager fell on his
sword and retired prematurely as a result of his forceful, but
successful lobbying to let Canopy emerge as a product
* Motorola was eventually surprised at how well Canopy was received by
the market. For some time Canopy was kept at arm's length within
Motorola, which during that time Motorola barely acknowledged that
Canopy was actually a Motorola product. Even after Motorola grudgingly
embraced Canopy as an official product, there was at least one very
serious attempt to shop the Canopy division around to other BWIA
vendors. I heard this from several vendors who Motorola approached.
* Part of Motorola's reluctance to embrace Canopy is that it
cannibalized some of Motorola's system integration work to build
public safety Broadband Wireless systems - Motorola was horrified when
some public safety agencies actually deployed Canopy systems
themselves (no lucrative systems integration contract)... on the (talk
about unintended consequences) reputation that Canopy was a Motorola
product.
* Canopy was designed for very large deployments by those not
necessarily highly skilled in RF issues - hence the one-piece unit. If
a service provider followed the Canopy deployment instructions
scrupulously, it almost always worked.
*  Motorola KNEW, well in advance, that there would eventually be more
5 GHz spectrum made available in the US - what's now called the 5.4
GHz band, thus spectral efficiency wasn't an overriding criteria in
Canopy's original design.
* Canopy's three design criteria were that it be simple to deploy,
robust and reliable in operation, and cheap to manufacture and sell.
Deep down, Canopy's modulation is (pretty much, kind of) FM, adapted
for Broadband and Digital operation. (Yes, I know this is probably
technically inaccurate and horribly oversimplified, but that's the way
it was described as the genesis of Canopy's modulation scheme - it was
based on the robustness of FM communicaitons, of which Motorola is a
world class expert.
* The 2.4 GHz and 902-928 MHz versions of Canopy were purely an
afterthought, not part of the original plans for Canopy; both were
developed only in response to large deployments who needed the
frequency diversity and the penetration characteristics of 902-928
MHz.

Thanks,

Steve


On 9/13/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Canopy was not initially developed for the military.  It was built ground up
 for WISPs.  When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but
 internal issues kept it from the market for a few years.  During that time,
 the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the things they
 had when they designed it.


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 http://www.ics-il.com

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RE: [WISPA] Intrameta / BOSS

2007-09-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Have you seen some of the hardware they use?!

In one of my colo towers I looked in their rack. I think I saw both a vacuum
tube and a roll of tin foil in there! That rack must have put out 1500W of
heat as well. 

They have since upgraded the equipment so perhaps USAMobility is pulling out
of a dive.

ryan

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While I have not personally dug very deep - I know that USAMobility
(formerly known as Arch Paging / MetroCall paging) use it and it seems to
go down frequently. My suspicion is that the outages are more Hardware
related than Software related

Aaron D. Osgood

Streamline Solutions L.L.C

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Any here use the BOSS software from Intrameta to manage their customer / 
radio / other data?  We are evaluating them and would appreciate 
experience from the field.

Thank you,

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[WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger
Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard 
channel center frequencies are?


Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

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RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Gino Villarini
From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?

Thanks very much,

jack

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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Eric Muehleisen
All flavors of Canopy support 5mhz steps. Centers are 5735, 5740, 5745 
and so on. I think they are 10-12 mhz wide...i could be wrong on that.


-Eric

Jack Unger wrote:
Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz 
standard channel center frequencies are?


Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack





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RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference Canopy

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Well Mac, the FCC is not unaware of these things. This is part of the
reason why EVERY new band opened up since 2003 added technical
requirements like ATPC (now mandatory for 5.3 as well). ATPC
automatically turns down the power to only that needed to maintain the
link. (Some systems, like ours, use an intelligent ATPC that works per
connection per CPE and dynamically, as well as other features like
narrow antennas, distance learning, etc. and we added these things long
before there were rules on the subject.)

Also, the rules for 3.65 take it even further, since the FCC -- even in
the original RO from March 2005 -- said they reserved the right to NOT
grant equipment approvals for systems they felt were designed in part to
harm other systems.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Malicious Interference  Canopy


   David,

   You (or anyone) can't impede a man's established business or cause
him to
not be able to conduct his business without legal recourse. It doesn't
have
be anything illegal about the noise and it's not about trying to shut
out
the competition. It's all about co-location and the ability to use gear
that
is spectrally friendly that enables everyone to get their respective
job's
done - peacefully. There are solutions out there that is all of those
things
- - well let me take it one step further by saying almost all other gear
built today is spectrally co-locatable and spectrally friendly EXCEPT
Canopy
and maybe some of the really old gear built years ago at the time of the
Dinosaur like the Western Multiplexer and some old Proxim gear.

 I do believe that 10 WISPs can operate in the same area as long as
everyone
tries to play nice. The gear (radios and antenna choices) that is built
today is absolutely capable of getting along with other wireless gear
in
the air today and not interfere. The way I see it is like this: If
someone
deployed canopy where there are already wireless operator's conducting
business - he chose canopy to upset the apple cart on purpose. It was a
deliberate and intentionally inflicted way to generate legal
uninhabitable
noise for the other operators. You think that ain't a law suit?? HAH!
Not
when the world is full of other really fine choices that are just as
good
and less expensive. I don't think there is a jury in the world given the
facts of Canopy's bastard creation, deliberate spectrum annihilator,
their
mind set when as well as their ads when they developed this demonic
purposefully unfriendly gear. 

Why is it that no one else in the manufacturing industry is making
spectrally inefficient  unfriendly, un-co locatable, annihilating gear
today/ Is it because they can't? That is an absurd thought - excuse me.
The
real reason that no one else does this is because it would become a
pissing
war over night. It wouldn't be a year and our entire precious spectrum
allotted by the FCC would be uninhabitable and useless by the entire
industry. It shows complete and total disregard for the FCC, other
operators, other industry manufacturers of wireless gear and most of all
it
shows a complete and total; lack of professionalism from Moto by not
helping
to protect what you and I do to make a living by preserving and
fostering
great care of our small amount of free spectrum!! They are Bull's in the
China shop! I wonder what the real professionals like Alvarion, Trango,
Proxim and the untold others really say about Canopy in their closets? I
would give anything to hear their take on Moto's disgrace of the
spectrum.

I made the statement the other day that I wished the FCC would make
Moto
recall their gear and ban it in the USA. I stand by that and believe it
would be the right thing to do since it was created to be a deliberate
noise
generator for the entire spectrum. I don't think this will ever happen
without some serious out crying from other wireless operators in the
industry in the future. I am a hard head from way back. I stand on
principal
and integrity. I believe we all ought to get along in every avenue of
life -
not just on the WISP level. This Moto crap is for the birds since they
build
gear that intentionally gets along with no one but themselves - and only
then IF YOU BUY THEIR GPS SYNC! It's a sales ploy, it's an add on that
cost
the operator more money and it's a must if you deploy very much canopy
in
any one area. You can't survive without it. Moto marketing and engineers
are
a Genius!! 

On the other hand - I wish I had GPS sync options on my gear, but that's
another thread and topic! :)



I guess that was about .07 cents worth this morning - -where's my
change? :)


Mac




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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger

Gino,

Perfect. That's exactly what I needed to know.

Thanks so much,

jack

P.S. - Thanks also to Eric Meuhleisen who also sent this info.



Gino Villarini wrote:

From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

  


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RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
All Steve's points reflect my understanding as well. I do not believe it
was intentionally designed to mess with other systems, especially since
its initial design was made long before the presence of these systems in
the marketplace (even though this was not introduced until 2002 as a
commercial product, the design was in place almost a decade before I
believe).

Patrick

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Situations

I echo Mike's contention that Canopy was developed directly for use by
Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers... but not
necessarily the small, highly entrepreneurial Wireless ISPs.

In my discussions with some key Canopy personnel over the years, some
of whom were remarkably candid, some interesting things came out:
* Canopy was originally designed to take advantage of the burgeoning
demand for Broadband Internet Access in ulta-high-density markets such
as China. For a variety of reasons, that market never actually
materialized, but Motorola (barely) decided to continue Canopy anyway
* Canopy was almost killed several times. One manager fell on his
sword and retired prematurely as a result of his forceful, but
successful lobbying to let Canopy emerge as a product
* Motorola was eventually surprised at how well Canopy was received by
the market. For some time Canopy was kept at arm's length within
Motorola, which during that time Motorola barely acknowledged that
Canopy was actually a Motorola product. Even after Motorola grudgingly
embraced Canopy as an official product, there was at least one very
serious attempt to shop the Canopy division around to other BWIA
vendors. I heard this from several vendors who Motorola approached.
* Part of Motorola's reluctance to embrace Canopy is that it
cannibalized some of Motorola's system integration work to build
public safety Broadband Wireless systems - Motorola was horrified when
some public safety agencies actually deployed Canopy systems
themselves (no lucrative systems integration contract)... on the (talk
about unintended consequences) reputation that Canopy was a Motorola
product.
* Canopy was designed for very large deployments by those not
necessarily highly skilled in RF issues - hence the one-piece unit. If
a service provider followed the Canopy deployment instructions
scrupulously, it almost always worked.
*  Motorola KNEW, well in advance, that there would eventually be more
5 GHz spectrum made available in the US - what's now called the 5.4
GHz band, thus spectral efficiency wasn't an overriding criteria in
Canopy's original design.
* Canopy's three design criteria were that it be simple to deploy,
robust and reliable in operation, and cheap to manufacture and sell.
Deep down, Canopy's modulation is (pretty much, kind of) FM, adapted
for Broadband and Digital operation. (Yes, I know this is probably
technically inaccurate and horribly oversimplified, but that's the way
it was described as the genesis of Canopy's modulation scheme - it was
based on the robustness of FM communicaitons, of which Motorola is a
world class expert.
* The 2.4 GHz and 902-928 MHz versions of Canopy were purely an
afterthought, not part of the original plans for Canopy; both were
developed only in response to large deployments who needed the
frequency diversity and the penetration characteristics of 902-928
MHz.

Thanks,

Steve


On 9/13/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Canopy was not initially developed for the military.  It was built
ground up
 for WISPs.  When it was designed, it was the best that there was, but
 internal issues kept it from the market for a few years.  During that
time,
 the market changed and Moto could no longer count on some of the
things they
 had when they designed it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
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 http://www.ics-il.com

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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
brother-in-law.



Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago.  I do 
appreciate you refreshing my memory.  Jack Beech was somehow friends 
of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he 
moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there 
was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the 
Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Joel White
Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE 
problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.

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 At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:
 Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
 brother-in-law.
 
 Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago.  I do 
 appreciate you refreshing my memory.  Jack Beech was somehow friends 
 of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he 
 moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there 
 was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the 
 Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth.
 
 Allen
 
 

 
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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if
you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your
blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash.



Here is an additional cautionary thought FWIW.  I always had a great 
reputation and so did my company.  After I left, ShreveNet quickly 
went from being the best to the worse ISP in town. The employees 
scattered to the wind, but I'm still here. I thought it would be easy 
to start a new business however people do not forget and forgive so 
easily.  I even had one ex-customer jokingly call me a traitor years 
later!   You guys were the best!  Why did you sell out!?


I think my future customers will always wonder if I am going to sell 
them out again, which is always a possibility.  But I'm no 
quitter!  I outlasted a lot of Internet companies and upstream 
providers like uu.net Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc.  Anyway the 
moral of this lesson is do not sell out and expect to keep your 
career unscathed.  I would not sell my entire company again unless it 
was enough to retire on.


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright.  I never met
Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you
know what I mean.

Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay?

Brad



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Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE 
problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.

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 At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:
 Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
 brother-in-law.
 
 Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago.  I do 
 appreciate you refreshing my memory.  Jack Beech was somehow friends 
 of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he 
 moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there 
 was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the 
 Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth.
 
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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Joel White
I had more contact with Jack than I desired, but not much with Jay. The two 
times Jay was in town, I was working on a couple $100,000 dollar deal that MP 
later threw away, and the second time I was on a trip that brought in an 
extra 5000 dial-up customers the first year and was slated to go up to 20,000 
in a year, that MP also threw away.

Paul talked to Jay a lot, and had a very similar impression to the ice to the 
Eskimo one.

Brad,

 Do I know you? The name sounds way to familiar.

Joel

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

 Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright.  I 
 never met Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real 
 slick Willy if you know what I mean.
 
 Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay?
 
 Brad
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Joel White Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:31 PM 
 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: 
 Long Post)
 
 Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the 
 CPE problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.
 
 Joel
 
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 740-513-4122
 
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  At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:
  Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
  brother-in-law.
  
  Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago.  I do 
  appreciate you refreshing my memory.  Jack Beech was somehow friends 
  of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he 
  moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there 
  was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the 
  Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth.
  
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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 10:28 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am
just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and
always will be one of the good guys.

One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop
and good wireless connection :) and write a book.


Patrick your thoughtful post means a lot to me.  Count me in!   (I 
have piles of notes)  I always wanted to write a book with someone 
like Steve or yourself, you knowto raise the overall caliper of 
the book.  ;-)  LOL.


You know something..  While I was laying on my back in the dentists 
chair yesterday staring at the ceiling while getting a root canal, 
there were a few posters stapled to the ceiling to give patients 
something to look at.


One of the posters struck me pretty hard.  It showed a litter of cute 
puppies..  Above the picture it reads:

Eat Well, Live Well, Play Well, Be Well, Sleep Well, Love Well

No where in there did it say Get Rich or Die Trying:

Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC
databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I
think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database
information of any federal agency. 

For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking
about, visit
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a
great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is
behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc.
When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field
unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to
avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But
even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband
sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls
up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the
frequency range covered by the grant.

Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match
frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the
exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially
true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time
so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records.

It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next
actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than
two weeks.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
Chicago, September 25-27
Booth #409

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Thanks Patrick,

Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with 
my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need 
more practice. :)
Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Are you going to make it to ISPCON?

jack


Patrick Leary wrote:
 Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use
 the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with
FCC
 grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
 BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
 specialty products.

 Patrick

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Gino,

 Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
 operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?

 Thank you again,

 jack


 Gino Villarini wrote:
   
 From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz
 
 standard
   
 channel center frequencies are?

 Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
 (non-standard) frequencies be configured?

 Thanks very much,

 jack

   
 

   

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FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com







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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger

Guys,

I think I answered my own question. It looks like 5470-5725 has been 
approved. To keep list traffic down, there's no need to reply just to 
confirm. Of course, if I'm wrong I hope that a few folks will tell me. :)


Thanks,
  jack

Jack Unger wrote:

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?


Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:

From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

  




--
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FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger

Thanks Patrick,

Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with 
my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need 
more practice. :)

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Are you going to make it to ISPCON?

jack


Patrick Leary wrote:

Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use
the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC
grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
specialty products.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?


Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:
  

From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On
  

Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz


standard
  

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

  



  


--
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FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com






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RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use
the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with FCC
grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
specialty products.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?

Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:
 From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz
standard

 channel center frequencies are?

 Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
 (non-standard) frequencies be configured?

 Thanks very much,

 jack

   

-- 
Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com







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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger

Hey, thanks for the search tips.

Correct, it's in San Jose Oct. 16-18.

Maybe you can pop in and visit our WISPA booth or our reception. It 
could help you decompress from the WiMAX show :)


jack



Patrick Leary wrote:

I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC
databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I
think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database
information of any federal agency. 


For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking
about, visit
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a
great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is
behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc.
When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field
unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to
avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But
even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband
sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls
up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the
frequency range covered by the grant.

Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match
frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the
exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially
true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time
so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records.

It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next
actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than
two weeks.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
Chicago, September 25-27
Booth #409

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Thanks Patrick,

Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with 
my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need 
more practice. :)

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Are you going to make it to ISPCON?

jack


Patrick Leary wrote:
  

Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use
the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with


FCC
  

grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
specialty products.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On
  

Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?


Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:
  


From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

On
  


Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz

  

standard
  


channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

  

  
  



  


--
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FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com






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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Unger

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?


Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:

From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack

  


--
Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com






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RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I will do that for sure Jack, thanks.

Patrick 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Hey, thanks for the search tips.

Correct, it's in San Jose Oct. 16-18.

Maybe you can pop in and visit our WISPA booth or our reception. It 
could help you decompress from the WiMAX show :)

jack



Patrick Leary wrote:
 I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC
 databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something.
I
 think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database
 information of any federal agency. 

 For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking
 about, visit
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is
a
 great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is
 behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what,
etc.
 When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field
 unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to
 avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But
 even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband
 sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search
pulls
 up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the
 frequency range covered by the grant.

 Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact
Match
 frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow
the
 exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is
especially
 true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time
 so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records.

 It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next
 actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less
than
 two weeks.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP, Market Development
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
 Chicago, September 25-27
 Booth #409

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Thanks Patrick,

 Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with

 my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need 
 more practice. :)
 Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

 Are you going to make it to ISPCON?

 jack


 Patrick Leary wrote:
   
 Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to
use
 the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with
 
 FCC
   
 grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
 BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
 specialty products.

 Patrick

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Gino,

 Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to

 operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?

 Thank you again,

 jack


 Gino Villarini wrote:
   
 
 From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   
 On
   
 
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

 Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz
 
   
 standard
   
 
 channel center frequencies are?

 Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
 (non-standard) frequencies be configured?

 Thanks very much,

 jack

   
 
   
   
 

   

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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett

I thought about going, but not after I saw the rates.  ;-)


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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies


I admit I must be sick because I like to spend time searching the FCC
databases; I am on them at least 5 times a week looking for something. I
think the FCC site has some of the most complete online database
information of any federal agency.

For those not familiar with the specific search area we are talking
about, visit
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. This is a
great source of information about who has what, what is legal, who is
behind the curve from a market standpoint, who is focusing on what, etc.
When I search, I just generally fill in the Applicant Name field
unless it is one of the big guys, in which case I add a date range to
avoid getting hundreds of entries across all types of businesses. But
even for guys like us with about $200M in annual wireless broadband
sales, a simple Applicant Name search is sufficient. That search pulls
up 70 grants so it is easy to scroll down while keeping an eye on the
frequency range covered by the grant.

Also, if you search by frequency, make sure to uncheck the Exact Match
frequency range box since applications often actually do not follow the
exact boundaries of spectrum range you might expect; this is especially
true of 5 GHz. I also tell the search to pull up 100 records at a time
so I do not have to keep pulling down the next 10 records.

It is in San Jose, right? I may pop by but we have no booth. My next
actual trip for a show is WiMAX World coming up in Chicago in less than
two weeks.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
Chicago, September 25-27
Booth #409

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Thanks Patrick,

Yeah, I did look in the FCC database, but as occasionally happens with
my FCC searches, I didn't find the information there. I guess I need
more practice. :)
Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Are you going to make it to ISPCON?

jack


Patrick Leary wrote:

Jack, you of all people, as another long time wonk, should know to use
the OET database to answer this type of question. Only two PMP with

FCC

grants for 5.4 GHz that I know of is Moto with Canopy and us with
BreezeACCESS VL. Lots of chip vendors of course and a handful of
specialty products.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On

Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?

Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:


From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On


Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz


standard


channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?

Thanks very much,

jack








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FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com







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Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

2007-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett

They certainly have been.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies



Gino,

Do you (or does anyone) know if Moto Canopy has been FCC certified to 
operate in the new 5470-5725 MHz frequency range?


Thank you again,

jack


Gino Villarini wrote:

From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies

Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard

channel center frequencies are?

Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other 
(non-standard) frequencies be configured?


Thanks very much,

jack




--
Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
FCC License # PG-12-25133
Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs
True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting
FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers
Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220  www.ask-wi.com






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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote:

Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE
problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.


LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on 
Beech on these boards.  Brad drove out of his way to loan me a AP one 
time, and not everyone does that.  Besides, I think the CEO and CFO 
had more to do with this plan, whatever it was.


Allen




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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Allen Marsalis

At 03:38 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright.  I never met
Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you
know what I mean.

Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay?



I negotiated the sale of my company directly with Jay.  So yes.  Jack 
was my boss.  So yes again.  However I never met Jay before the sale, 
and I only met Jay one time for an hour or two after the sale.  LOL, 
maybe I'm the slick willy.  Yep he wired a million dollars to my 
attorney to buy me without ever meeting me face-to-face or laying 
eyes on my company.  Jack did come by once or twice before hand 
though to check me out.  The whole experience was very strange due to 
the lack of due diligence before the sale and other oddities...


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

2007-09-13 Thread Brad Belton
No worries here Allen, feel free to fire away.  It's not like Beech is
blood...lol...and it's probably good people see and hear the stories (good
and bad) for their own good.

I will say in Beech's defense that it sounds like he was saddled with an
impossible task.  grin

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote:
Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE
problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.

LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on 
Beech on these boards.  Brad drove out of his way to loan me a AP one 
time, and not everyone does that.  Besides, I think the CEO and CFO 
had more to do with this plan, whatever it was.

Allen





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