Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
The VL is great gear... But not sure its the best product to solve your specific listed problem. The VL connectorized (long range) is still $1400 per CPE without antenna. Only the integr 21db antenna models are in the low cost Comnet program. Remember OFDM requires a good 5 db more in SNR

Re: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
I buy mine custom from Shireen. (allrfcables.com) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Hammett
The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Adam Kennedy
Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.)

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread George Rogato
Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up: http://www.tessco.com/yts/industry/products/infra/infrastructure/power_supplies/pdf/agl_reprint.pdf -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?

2007-11-13 Thread George Rogato
Howdy Marlon, Do you have a url for this new cable? Thanks George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: There's also a new Times Microwave cable that's made just for 5.8 and such. It's REALLY expensive but the loss numbers were amazingly low. Oh yeah, by expensive, think twice or so of lmr600 cables.

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread George Rogato
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more,

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
This is good. I want backup at all my sites but there does not seem to be any products I like. Maybe now people will make them. Brian George Rogato wrote: Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up:

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Graham McIntire
Read close, it only applies to ILECs, CLECs, and CMRS (commercial mobile radio service) providers. Still not a bad idea for WISPs, but not required if you're not a CLEC. Graham On Nov 13, 2007 9:19 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Nash
Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS.

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Nash
I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning,

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, sorry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, sorry. The difference is that the 9606 is discontinued and the 9617 is not. http://apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606tab=compare Choose the 9617 to compare it to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?

2007-11-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Nope. The guys at EC just told me about it and gave me the specs. I thought about trying it but I needed too many runs and it was gonna blow my budget. Plust my runs are only 50ish feet. If I'd have had to go 100' plus or had more customers at the site it would have been a no brainer.

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I only need it to go 3 megs for the longer links. I've been assured that with higher gain 90* sectors I should be able to get 15 miles. Guess I'll find out. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
The difficult issue is not inforcing that a company has a emergency backup power system. Its enforcing that it must be functional at the time of emergency. Most Telcos already have 4 hour run-time systems at their locations. Its jsut that when the power fails, thats when they identify the dead

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread George Rogato
You do a series parallel circuit. 2 sets in series paralleled together. Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o:

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Matt
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Motorola...BURNED Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE:

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Ever notice the Software image is smaller on the AES than the DES also Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:59

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
You also want to use a combination of putting the batteries in series and parallel, to keep the amperage within specs supported by the equipment. Its just not an issue of the cable and batteries, but also what the radio's ports will handle. Also charging is a factor. The more batteries the

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I almost forgot...WISPs who join the program BEFORE January 1, 2008 and sign at at least the 25 unit per quarter level (any commitment 25-49 per quarter) will get a price for the 5.8 GHz CPE of $299 which is $100 cheaper than the post Jan 1 price of $399 for 10-24. Patrick -Original

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Last thing (thanks for the reminder C) and those that want full details can ask offline for the pdf on the program. Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:19 PM

[WISPA] FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's Position on Industry Regulation

2007-11-13 Thread Jack Unger
This article shows what can happen if you forget to send FCC Chairman Kevin Martin a birthday cake... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071112/021817.shtml Here's the New York Times view... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/washington/10cable.html?_r=1pagewanted=alloref=slogin I'm not

RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Eric Albert
This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are

RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Gino Villarini
Eric, Whats the DC output on the OPS-DC? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:09 PM To:

[WISPA] On-Call Compensation

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Nash
We are wanting to have people be on-call in case of emergencies and for telephone tech support at night on weekends. How do you pay your people for on-call time where they are doing nothing, and how do you then pay them when they work during those time periods? Are there employment rules on

RE: [WISPA] On-Call Compensation

2007-11-13 Thread Gino Villarini
We pay $50 per weekend they are on call $100 per day if they are deployed to the field Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash

RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Eric Albert
55VDC at 1.0A Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Eric, Whats the DC

Re: [WISPA] On-Call Compensation

2007-11-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Excellent slashdot articles on this very thing: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/27/1946245 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11917cid=255567 - I kinda like this one My $.002 below We had a special email address emergency@ that customers were told was to be used in

RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Gino Villarini
Thanks, We have examined the pros and cons of going full dc on our pops, It all comes down to equipment cost vs long time savings on wasted energy. But for out typical POPs we use an APC UPS with External batteries, This setup gives us: Aprox 12 hrs of runtime DC voltage selectivity Low

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Smith, Rick
I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Belton
Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct.

[WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] On-Call Compensation

2007-11-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We talked about this lately in my office. We're talking about $50 if you just pull standby, maybe answer a couple of phone calls. $100 if you have to go out or answer more than a couple of calls. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Belton
Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load? Just curious as we recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us. The session doesn't appear to establish any different than local sessions. We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our network to the provider

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Sorry, I meant load and delay on that edge router ... not due to multi- hop. I should of read through that last email. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load? Just curious as we recently setup a multi-hop session from a