RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Mac Dearman
Steve, Thanks for the clarification and comments. There is always a lot of conjecture on some of these subjects that the normal man who has never held an experimental license holds as truths, but in reality is not totally true at all. I (as I am sure others) appreciate the time you take to

Re: [WISPA] USB - Ethernet Adapters

2007-11-21 Thread Scott Reed
I like the TrendNet cards. TE100-PCIWIN or something like that. Mark Nash wrote: I buy these and keep them in the truck to deal with the out-of-the-ordinary case where the customer does not have an ethernet port in their computer. I used a Startech, which has been discontinued. It was about

Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Matt Liotta
Steve Stroh wrote: I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650 experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it, commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license doesn't give

Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
As I remember the rules for the experimental license applications, it specifically says that they can't be used for commercial purposes. But it really doesn't matter, the FCC knew what was being done with the bands and wanted to see what would happen anyway. laters, marlon - Original

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread George Rogato
How do you cap the encrypted stuff? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First let me say that we cap p2p traffic during the business day, but otherwise we let it run wide open. However, we sell our connections based on speed. Whatever they pay for is what they get... none of this burstable stuff,

RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
It does matter though. If the rules state that you can not do something, don't do it, it is really simple. I never read the rules, and never applied for one. The thing people need to understand is the FCC is probably the last person, next to the IRS, that you want watching you. The FCC knows what

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We are using Mikrotik to cap the p2p stuff. Yes, some stuff is going to get through but very little overall... and you can't stop 100% of it all the time. If your network can't handle a small amount of p2p traffic, you have bigger issues. :) Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote:

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
I agree and disagree with this. As of right now, Internet Service is still a unregulated business except for things such CALEA, Child Porn laws, and such. We are not a telecommunications utility and that is where the FCC makes faults because they are losing control. They have not got Internet

Re: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
There are several cards available on ebay for roughly $8 each. They will let you plug in multiple incoming lines (FXO signalling) to toy around with. Scottie Arnett wrote: Hey All, I am wanting to install Asterisk on a server to play around with. Can anyone tell me if there is a card that I

[WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Hey All, I am wanting to install Asterisk on a server to play around with. Can anyone tell me if there is a card that I can hook a couple of POTS lines into just to try it out? Or will I have to get a digital card? Not wanting to pour major into this until I have learned a little about it.

RE: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks Adam. FXO is foreign exchange, correct? At the office, I only have regular POTS lines. Will something work with them, or do I have to have FXO lines? At our POP, I have trunk side T1's that are being used for dial-up...but I am not wanting to hook to those yet. -Original Message-

RE: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Scottie, if you want to include outside POTS lines to access with the server, you need an FXO card. Single FXO cards made from modem components work well and are, as mentioned by Adam, about $8 to $15 depending on source and shipping. There are 4 FXO digiums but they cost hundreds. If you are

Re: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
I'm sorry, I mixed up the terminology while typing. The $8 cards on eBay are regular POTS. Scottie Arnett wrote: Thanks Adam. FXO is foreign exchange, correct? At the office, I only have regular POTS lines. Will something work with them, or do I have to have FXO lines? At our POP, I have

RE: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Well, Adam, you weren't far off. The Buy it now eBay 1-FXO PCI card prices are around $20 and I've gotten auctions for just over $10 per card so I accepted your $8 as the price of winning a fortuitous auction. Reputable stores have it typically for a bit more, around $29. It's all in the

RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread tonylist
Well this is yet to be seen, the noise floor at 3.65Ghz should be very clean. This means you will be able to make links as much lower signal levels then with 2.4Ghz. And OFDM will help with NearLOS issues with buildings, but if are dealing with trees OFDM is not going to help much this will come

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread George Rogato
Come on, you guys that sell slow broadband generaly don't have too much to worry about. It's not like if you got an ap that does 10 megs and you sell 50 512k subs that the one or three out of 20 running p2p is going to be very noticable. Try giving those 50 equal access to the full 10 megs and

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
You are nuts or spoiled on 5 gig or have fiber stuffed up every tower. 1 P2P on a 2.4 rural ap opening 100+ connections will packet flood an ap in about 1 minute. 2.4 will only realistically deliver 5 megs per radio. 1 P2P uploading to 60 plus users will be slowed enough to bring the bits per

[WISPA] God Willing and the Creek Don't Rise

2007-11-21 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Michael, Thank you son from all of us at CV-ACCESS and all the Profito family. We understand how proud you are of him, and at the same time how you would like to chain him to the tower! :) Supporting and backing them is NOT NUTS. Your perspective is fine. Both of our boys and daughter-in-law

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
So, I'm right? Unlimited BWYou are lucky. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread George Rogato
Thats my point. I use star and it has all the layer 7 stuff built into the cpe. I can control to my hearts content. Generaly I put a switch in or bridge the linksys wifi router and take control there. If I had to and I did one situation, I can give daddy one set of rules and little abusing

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread George Rogato
Chuck I am connected to fiber. It's right next to my water tank with a lot of sectors on it to ditribute out to the vrious repeaters, I sectorized the hell out of my network with tight beam widths and reuse frequency without interfering with myself. A good portion of my network is 5gig and I

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread George Rogato
I wish CHUCK PROFITO wrote: So, I'm right? Unlimited BWYou are lucky. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

2007-11-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
Must be inflation :P Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Well, Adam, you weren't far off. The Buy it now eBay 1-FXO PCI card prices are around $20 and I've gotten auctions for just over $10 per card so I accepted your $8 as the price of winning a fortuitous auction. Reputable stores have it typically

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I think some people missed my point on this discussion... so I'm going to re-cap: We use MT to cap the p2p sharing (during business hours only, because that is my peak usage time). Some people say MT is only catching about 70% of the p2p traffic. My point was that by using MT (that I

RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
I agree, you are fairly well protected, Travis, but for how long. But more and more we are seeing encrypted P2P and encrypted Bit Torrent... This will soon be the norm across the world because so many like you and I and George, Comcast, etc ARE limiting it. We cannot keep trying to control the

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I gave up on the worry about how to protect for the future stuff long ago... 5 years ago there was no such thing as p2p. Six years ago there were no viruses/worms/etc. that would affect an AP like today. A few years from now there will be another new thing that we will be dealing with,

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

2007-11-21 Thread Sam Tetherow
Which is why I feel that trying to address the issue as a P2P issue is wrong, the issue is not what the traffic is, it is what the traffic is doing to your network. If you address that issue, then encryption is pointless. Limit large connection counts, implement burstable bandwidth, add a

[WISPA] Fw: Tower Sway

2007-11-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Holy error rates Batman! LOL, even *I* know this isn't the way to build a tower for all of those big dishes. marlon - Original Message - From: Kris Kirby To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Tower Sway