Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
Mike Hammett wrote: I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Warehouse wireless
Gentlemen, I've been tasked with putting up access points in a warehouse that is approximately 40,000 sq ft. We already have a warehouse that is covered using Cisco AP's (deployed before I was part of the company) with 5dbi Omnis. The coverage or reliability in this location isn't very good, I believe the cause of this is partially interference, partly placement and configuration. This system is currently operational, just not optimal. I'll deal with these issues when time permits, the new facility is my concern and I would like to deploy this correctly. Both of these wireless systems are in place for portable Symbol Handheld scanners for inventory management and integration into our ERP application, reliability and connectivity is obviously more important than throughput. I would like to find out what would be suggested in this deployment, comments welcome. I don't think Cisco AP's are needed, I think a MT (or other platform) would be sufficient. Comments? WDS configuration, for roaming of handhelds I would like to get some suggestions on antenna types for this environment, I'm not quite sure how to estimate the number of AP's that will be needed, assuming the facility is rectangular with the above square foot area. Anyone with experience with this type of deployment? Thanks Zack Kneisley Information Systems Manager Encore Industries, Inc. (740) 432-1652 x120 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
I don't have any licensed links yet, but I am debating on several in the near future. Can anyone tell me what a 18GHz licensed link costs other than your actual hardware and the procedure for getting the license? Thanks guys, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mike Hammett wrote: I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Leaked memo: Time Warner Cable to trial hard bandwidth caps
Metered Internet access is a fact of life for many broadband users around the world, but has been largely a nonfactor when it comes to wired broadband in the US. That may change, according to a memo leaked to the Broadband Reports forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19813387-. If the memo is to be believed, Time Warner Cable will be rolling out what it calls Consumption Based Billing on a trial basis in the Beaumont, Texas area http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080116-leaked-memo-time-warner-cable-to-trial-hard-bandwidth-caps.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)
No, I don't. My guess would be this year, but I really don't know. Dave - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Dave, got a eta for 7.0? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Platypus by nature is very extensible and expandable. We have it control every aspect of our wireless broadband service, having it talk so Mikrotiks, Canopy Prizm, and the like, permitting access, controlling bandwidth, assigning static IP addresses, etc. Much of this capability is there out-of-the-box. Much, much more wireless-specific capability, such as radio/antenna inventory management and integrations pre-designed for wireless operators, will be built in to Platypus 7.0. Dave - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) What wireless stuff has been added? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings Platypus I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add wireless stuff to it. George Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database. We had a propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for us. This software stored data in an access database and primarily was client contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc... What are you all using that might be a good transition for me... Thanks in advance... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I too would say the same. Initially they did a good job, but soon after they began to be in effective and variable. We contacted them and got very little satisfaction. so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower. like a 333... details will follow with our success or failure. We have implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30 towers... Ross - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed. It did not perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use. The rate limits were not effectively enforced. -Jake Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I would like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of this device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform. All the best, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(r) + Windows Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_T AGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] P2P users to FCC: make Comcast tell the truth
Just days after the Federal Communications Commission asked for public input http://www.lasarletter.net/drupal/node/543 on whether certain broadband service providers are degrading peer-to-peer traffic, dozens of users have filed their comments. They identify Comcast as the culprit, and call for the cable giant must be honest about its broadband management practices http://www.lasarletter.net/drupal/node/545 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)
Hey Dave, aren't you here on SLC ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) No, I don't. My guess would be this year, but I really don't know. Dave - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Dave, got a eta for 7.0? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Platypus by nature is very extensible and expandable. We have it control every aspect of our wireless broadband service, having it talk so Mikrotiks, Canopy Prizm, and the like, permitting access, controlling bandwidth, assigning static IP addresses, etc. Much of this capability is there out-of-the-box. Much, much more wireless-specific capability, such as radio/antenna inventory management and integrations pre-designed for wireless operators, will be built in to Platypus 7.0. Dave - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) What wireless stuff has been added? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings Platypus I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add wireless stuff to it. George Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database. We had a propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for us. This software stored data in an access database and primarily was client contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc... What are you all using that might be a good transition for me... Thanks in advance... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I too would say the same. Initially they did a good job, but soon after they began to be in effective and variable. We contacted them and got very little satisfaction. so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower. like a 333... details will follow with our success or failure. We have implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30 towers... Ross - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed. It did not perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use. The rate limits were not effectively enforced. -Jake Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I would like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of this device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform. All the best, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(r) + Windows Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_T AGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008
Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)
Nope... I bought another company and have my hands full. Trying to get everything settled before I take a much-deserved three week vacation in South America next month. Just had too much going on and had to cancel at the last moment. I really wish I were there, though. I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot of good info. I hope audio/video of the show turns out good this year and is made available quickly. I'd like to catch up on what I'm missing. Have a drink (or three) for me! Dave - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Hey Dave, aren't you here on SLC ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) No, I don't. My guess would be this year, but I really don't know. Dave - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Dave, got a eta for 7.0? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Platypus by nature is very extensible and expandable. We have it control every aspect of our wireless broadband service, having it talk so Mikrotiks, Canopy Prizm, and the like, permitting access, controlling bandwidth, assigning static IP addresses, etc. Much of this capability is there out-of-the-box. Much, much more wireless-specific capability, such as radio/antenna inventory management and integrations pre-designed for wireless operators, will be built in to Platypus 7.0. Dave - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) What wireless stuff has been added? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings Platypus I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add wireless stuff to it. George Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database. We had a propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for us. This software stored data in an access database and primarily was client contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc... What are you all using that might be a good transition for me... Thanks in advance... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I too would say the same. Initially they did a good job, but soon after they began to be in effective and variable. We contacted them and got very little satisfaction. so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower. like a 333... details will follow with our success or failure. We have implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30 towers... Ross - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed. It did not perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use. The rate limits were not effectively enforced. -Jake Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I would like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of this device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform. All the best, John
[WISPA] Interesting Broadband Study.
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Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Good info, to build confidence, but, your area is dry climate. Its a different animal here in our East coast D2 rain zone. Anyone with D2 zone or worse, Feedback? We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. Are you mounted on tenant buildings, towers, or hills? Multipath would only likely be a concern for tenant building roof mount. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt, I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do 105Mbps full-duplex
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Tom, Your rainzone affects potential signal loss during a heavy storm... so it takes a bigger dish or more power to compensate for that... just the same as my mountaintop towers that get up to 2 feet of ice build-up on them... we have to plan for 10db of "extra" signal loss during 3-4 months of the year. I guess I'm not sure why all the questions about multi-path, etc.? I've _never_ heard of someone not being able to get an 18ghz link working. It's licensed, so there are no noise issues. It's a tight beamwidth, and if engineered and installed correctly (not on anything that will move or flex), it will work. Is there a particular install you are considering? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Good info, to build confidence, but, your area is dry climate. Its a different animal here in our East coast D2 rain zone. Anyone with D2 zone or worse, Feedback? We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. Are you mounted on tenant buildings, towers, or hills? Multipath would only likely be a concern for tenant building roof mount. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my
Re: [WISPA] Warehouse wireless
I have had good success using the Deliberant DLB2350 line with two schools I have setup. These are large campus environments covering indoors and outside with several buildings covering a few city blocks. These radios support WPA2 Pre-shared Key or 802.1x. They work with WDS. They are low cost. FCC certified with higher gain antennas (I use the 9 db ones usually). They work quite well for me. Deliberant is a paying WISPA Vendor Member. All of these reasons make these radios my first choice for secure hotspot type Wi-Fi coverage in campus / enterprise coverage areas. I am guessing 5 of them will do the whole 40K square feet area just fine. For layout of the radios just picture the letter X covering the floorplan with some room to spare around the X. Put a radio at the end of each of the 4 lines around the X and one at the center. Have the outer 4 radios WDS connected off of the center one. This should supply a secure and sound connectivity option with roaming capability for the entire warehouse. There is no need for a wireless controller as Aruba or Cisco would try to sell you for such a small area to cover. All you need is these radios and a good security policy. This includes insuring that the WDS tunnels have their own security enabled. The DLBs support this. The price is dirt cheap and reliability is incredibly good. You will look like a hero if you build this setup. If any of you reading this get any value from this information and you are not a WISPA Member then sign up and pay your dues. I generally only share this information to the member's only list. Scriv Zack Kneisley wrote: Gentlemen, I've been tasked with putting up access points in a warehouse that is approximately 40,000 sq ft. We already have a warehouse that is covered using Cisco AP's (deployed before I was part of the company) with 5dbi Omnis. The coverage or reliability in this location isn't very good, I believe the cause of this is partially interference, partly placement and configuration. This system is currently operational, just not optimal. I'll deal with these issues when time permits, the new facility is my concern and I would like to deploy this correctly. Both of these wireless systems are in place for portable Symbol Handheld scanners for inventory management and integration into our ERP application, reliability and connectivity is obviously more important than throughput. I would like to find out what would be suggested in this deployment, comments welcome. I don't think Cisco AP's are needed, I think a MT (or other platform) would be sufficient. Comments? WDS configuration, for roaming of handhelds I would like to get some suggestions on antenna types for this environment, I'm not quite sure how to estimate the number of AP's that will be needed, assuming the facility is rectangular with the above square foot area. Anyone with experience with this type of deployment? Thanks Zack Kneisley Information Systems Manager Encore Industries, Inc. (740) 432-1652 x120 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. What? More info! What MPLS components? This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming along. http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support mpls-te. But there is more than just that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mike Hammett wrote: I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Mostly, I'm just bringing up conversation. But to be more specific... I'm referring to Multipath as reflection building mounted on. I have not had any problems with my 18Ghz links yet. But I have plans to install a larger number of them that have limited mounting space, which has significant investment at stake. The antennas will likely need to be mounted back against a brick wall, pointing 45 degrees or so from the wall. This created the possibilty of reflection off the wall. If you read Dragon Wave's installation guides, you will see that they bring attention to the risks of multi-path reflection specifically for 18Ghz. (Or maybe I'm getting it confised with 24Ghz). They are suggesting mounting the antenna signifcantly higher off the roof line, than would be typical of a 5.8Ghz installation for example. Based on their diagrams it would infer that a 3ft dish on a 5 foot pole would not be wise. Preferrably mounting more like antenna center at 7-8 feet off roof line. These number are not exact text taken out of the guide, just pulled out of my head. A wall, would have the same effect as a roof surface except worse as the brick is more reflective than gravel with tar underneight. I'd like to point to an example with 60Ghz. We recently have ran into cases and seen cases where, a small puddle of water on the roof surface has destoyed a link, eventhough the antenna was 10feet off the roof line. We have seen a Building roof edge wall with a 1ft flat surface, 30 feet away and 10 feet lower, and had it create a multipath reflection that has killed the link. We have seen cases where to steep of an angle looking down has made it impossible to get a good link to ever work in the first place. Installers will swear that the radios are bad, or fight with it for days, only to learn after the fact one just needed to misalign away from the harmful reflection, once identified where it was. And it often comes from places one would never imagine. See Puddle of water example. Its really a different animal altogeather. I'm not saying that 18Ghz has anywhere near the risks or pickyness as 60Ghz. I'm just trying to get feedback, to prevent any surprises. (PS. Some peop le refer to 18Ghz and up as Millimeter Wave instead of Microwave). If I need to mount above a penthouse roof line, I need to plan for that. There are windload issues for 3ft dishes. If I can mount on the wall below the penthouse roof line, it makes it much easier. Antennas can blend into wall, when painted. They don't blend in sticking up over the roof. In our area, anything over 3 miles really needs a 3ft dish, for carrier equivellent reliabilty. I'm concerned on whether we can get away with 2ft dishes on the 2.5 mile links, at top reliabilty. I think, I can. But when you are providing a mission critical link to a data center, 10 minutes of downtime is huge. And time for experimentation is not after its live. In our market, there is a big reoccuring cost difference between a 3ft and a 2 ft dish. I may not be able to fit qty 2- 3ft dishes on a pole, but I can fit 2- 2ft dishes on a pole. And that Pole may be costing me $300to $500 per month. I want to use 2ft when I can. I'm probably making more of this, than I need to, but I'm planning on doing a lot of links at once, and I'd rather not go back, and redo them all after the fact because I guessed wrong. Some of the Path Calculators are misleading. The reason is they have you insert a rain zone, off the chart for either 4-9s or 5-9. But then when they give you the results of the calculation, it is given in Number of 9's reliabilty. Which doesn't make sense. Let me explain... We are going to try to Calculate Max distance for a specific reliabilty. Lets say D2 rain zone 4-9 (99.99) is: 48, but then for 5-9 its 112. Do the path calcs with 4-9 (48), varying the distances until the results are 5-9 of reliabilty. Then do path Calcs with 5-9 (112), varying distance until get results of 4-9 reliabilty. The Link Distances are way different. Then repeat path Calcs 4-9 (48) varying distance until get 4-9 reliabilty, and then repeat path calc for 5-9 (112) varying distance until get results of 5-9. The link distances are even more drastically different. If someone wants 4-9 or 5-9 reliabilty, what results does one trust to make that determination? You'll see that it will have a d ifference of atleast one dish size, depending on what you want to trust. You can enter rain fall of 48, and calculate number of 9s, but its not accurate because a percentage of time is rain fall of 112. And you'll ilikely have worse results than calculated. You coukd use rain fall of 112, but then it would be overly restrictive, considering usually the rain fall isn't 112, and you'd have more uptime than predicted. So the answer is somewhere in between. In order to report path Calc result in Number of 9's, it should consider this situation and calculate
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. What? More info! What MPLS components? This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming along. http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support mpls-te. But there is more than just that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mike Hammett wrote: I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] SLA\ToS\Contract
Does anyone know of where I could locate an SLA, ToS, contract, etc. that would apply to a VPLS or similar layer 2 tunnel system through a WISP? I might be able to modify a generic one somewhat, but I like to be lazy (don't we all?) and use something someone else already did. I know Part-15 and WISPA have similar documents available to members, I just don't know how similar. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. What? More info! What MPLS components? This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming along. http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support mpls-te. But there is more than just that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement Mike Hammett wrote: I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service
Guys I keep hearing people say 3.65Ghz has more power than 2.4Ghz, I guess I can see this over all with 25Watt total but because of how the rules are written this is not the case. The base station in Wimax is 7 Watts EIRP max if you use the larger channel size, and less if you use the smaller ones which is what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to! Anyway this puts the EIRP at about 3.5 Watts EIRP which is about what 2.4Ghz can do. On the client side 2.4Ghz can go way up to 50 Watts EIRP, where the clients under 3.65Ghz are limited to 1 Watt max. What makes 3.65Ghz better overall is the low noise floors, non-exclusive license and a central database so you know when and where new base stations are installed! Because of this I dont see how there will be an issues for WISP as long as all the rules are followed, which they must by law, another good thing :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput I have a very hard time accepting that comment. 3.650 is more power than other unlicenced. 3.650 has better RF characteristics than 5.8G for NLOS and Distance. Possibly even better than 2.4G (up for debate, based on average size of pine needles and leafs). Any time there is a capabilty to serve MANY such as in an Urban area, of course its also possible to serve a LOWER number of people typical or subburb or rural. If you are trying to say, 3.6 Wimax is not a replacement for 900Mhz to tackle foliage, I 100% agree. If you say, NLOS is not possible long range, I fully agree, but neither is any other technology. If you say, smaller channels will mean lower throughpout for multi-sector designs, I'd agree with you. But 3.6G was designed for Rural. Thats why it has higher power levels. And WiMax was designed for typical cell distances of existing legacy unlicened gear. If anything it could be argued that WIMax is Better in rural areas because it does not have the contention protocols needed to deal with many interference sources typical of Urban america, and Wimax dies in interference. Wimax 3.6G, is as rural as any other product, and smart urban WISPs will also do their best to use it. Personally, even if its one 20Mhz sector, its one more sector that can be added to the tower. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It is not for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput clients. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. Scriv Clint Ricker wrote: Tom, I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in terms of deliverables. My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves using buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your product. Even if that is, on a technical level,
[WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'
Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' The row over US ‘white space’ spectrum continues, with the newly formed Wireless Innovation Alliance http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/ stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with digital TV signals. The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by the National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the public just as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from the likes of Microsoft (the original prototypes failed non-interference testing, though the WIA claims this had more to do with poor testing methods than real problems for digital TV signals). These products are designed to work in an unused channel within the digital TV band, but to switch to another channel if the first is needed for a television signal. The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and move forward with technical guidelines. Six House of Representatives members wrote to FCC chairman Kevin Martin recently to urge a final decision in the next few months. The transition from analog to digital TV is due to be completed in February 2009. “Upcoming testing of white space concept devices is meant to assist FCC engineers to craft the strongest possible rules while ensuring maximum public benefit. Yet instead of respecting the FCC’s desire to perform concept testing, your recent public misinformation campaign has confused the testing process and misled the public and policy makers,” stated the WIA in a letter http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/files/WIA%20letter%20to%20NAB%20re%20WS%20testing.pdf to NAB president David Rehr http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/wia_nab_white_space_spat/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'
I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep personal portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first (really forever as far as I'm concerned). Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' The row over US ‘white space’ spectrum continues, with the newly formed Wireless Innovation Alliance http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/ stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with digital TV signals. The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by the National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the public just as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from the likes of Microsoft (the original prototypes failed non-interference testing, though the WIA claims this had more to do with poor testing methods than real problems for digital TV signals). These products are designed to work in an unused channel within the digital TV band, but to switch to another channel if the first is needed for a television signal. The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and move forward with technical guidelines. Six House of Representatives members wrote to FCC chairman Kevin Martin recently to urge a final decision in the next few months. The transition from analog to digital TV is due to be completed in February 2009. “Upcoming testing of white space concept devices is meant to assist FCC engineers to craft the strongest possible rules while ensuring maximum public benefit. Yet instead of respecting the FCC’s desire to perform concept testing, your recent public misinformation campaign has confused the testing process and misled the public and policy makers,” stated the WIA in a letter http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/files/WIA%20letter%20to%20NAB%20re%20WS%20testing.pdf to NAB president David Rehr http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/wia_nab_white_space_spat/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
