Re: [WISPA] GPS
One thing to watch with the compasses is magnetic distortion. When we are aiming a PTP link or sector we will use a compass and a reference point from google earth. This is especially important when on top of a grain elevator since they can have some large electric motors for the conveyors, which will throw off magnetic compasses. For installs we have given our techs MS streets and trips with the usb GPS dongle. Our Installer's vans are equipped with Jotto Desks and have tablets PC that allow them to use the Street and Trips for directions. Ryan On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I love my Garmin Etrex Summit. One of the things I like the most is > it's > magnetic compass. Don't have to be moving for it to work. > > I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a > laptop. > Great for surveys. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:11 AM > Subject: [WISPA] GPS > > >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >> different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these >> programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I >> can >> climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a >> number >> out of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
I love my Garmin Etrex Summit. One of the things I like the most is it's magnetic compass. Don't have to be moving for it to work. I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a laptop. Great for surveys. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS >I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. > > What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? > > I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can > climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number > out of you know where. > > Recommendations? > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MUM 2008 - Chicago
I was planning on driving down for ispcon. I guess I have to stay 4 days, ispcon 13-15 and mum 15-16. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: > http://mum.mikrotik.com/2008/US/ > > My network is about a half hour drive away from this MUM! > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
Unless you have a H.323 compliant firewall, 1 to 1 NAT will generally break H.323 (Netmeeting) Also, some VPN clients default config doesn't work properly through NAT. John Ugo Bellavance wrote: > Jason Hensley wrote: > >> Even if you buy your own from ARIN, if you're that big, then the costs are >> nothing - I agree. >> >> I personally do private addressing on all my broadband clients. That allows >> me to NAT how I see fit. I someone needs a public IP I do a static 1-1 NAT >> for them. So far I've had no issues. >> > > Ok, makes sense. In what cases, for example, would they need a public > IP and I guess that means that you have to make a reservation in your DHCP? > > Thanks, > > Ugo > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LDAP
You would use LDAP when you need directory services. An example might be using RADIUS to contact an LDAP server for Authentication. Another use may be to have single sign on across multiple servers. John Mike Hammett wrote: > Someone asked why I didn't use some sort of directory system like eDirectory, > LDAP, Active Directory, etc. within my WISP. I shrugged my shoulders and > said I dunno, that's just not how I've seen things. A friend of mine also > once told me that I should have an LDAP server, but I forget how\why it would > be used. > > Those of you using LDAP (or another directory system), how are you using it? > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MUM 2008 - Chicago
http://mum.mikrotik.com/2008/US/ My network is about a half hour drive away from this MUM! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: >So what happens when the customer plugs the radio into the switch >and is broadcasting his local DHCP info to everybody? That would >really mess up the network. Depends on the network. On any network that I set up (at least where it is my preferred design), "what happens" is that customer is not able to access the internet and everyone else is. If you are insinuating that such a scenario would cause issues on your network, then you need to fix that or let me help you fix it, because a rogue DHCP server is the LEAST of your worries here. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
*The Journal* said Sprint and Clearwire are in serious talks on a more ambitious plan that would involve spinning off Sprint's WiMax unit and merging it with Clearwire. But it noted there was no guarantee the joint venture would materialize, or that external funding could be secured. This sounds to me more like Sprint is trying to get away from WiMax .. On Jan 29, 2008 6:39 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I guess their stock is worth more, when they are "talking" about it. > -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC Sweeping Design LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
Yeah, I guess their stock is worth more, when they are "talking" about it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again > http://tinyurl.com/ynnec2 > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
>>> Any radio worth its salt that does true bridging would also have a >>> bridging table that is accessible via SNMP or HTML screen scraping. One >>> of our in-house programs polls all the AP's (we're a Canopy outfit, but >>> same principles apply to most Ethernet-based gear) and saves the MAC >>> addresses to a database, where I match the MACs to the subscriber's >>> radio and back to their account. >>> >> So what happens when the customer plugs the radio into the switch and >> is broadcasting his local DHCP info to everybody? That would really >> mess up the network. >> > Nothing, you can block that at most bridge CPEs (alvarion for sure). > And can also block them at the tower side (only let the DHCP requests go > to your equipment not back to the customers on the tower). Which is what we do with Canopy. The SM can block various things such as SMB, DHCP (server and/or client), and multicast. The DHCP through the bridging radio problem is there whether or not you use public vs. private addresses assigned statically or dynamically. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] T-Mobile adds nearly 1M U.S. subs in 4Q
Guess this is where the Sprint customers went. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_hi_te/t_mobile_subscribers;_ylt=At9LmuH6RhFr7BnNqMOg57cjtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
http://tinyurl.com/ynnec2 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 14:19 -0700, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 11:52 AM, Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > Yes but there are some security concerns with DHCP when sharing wireless > > > sectors. To prevent requires tracking MAC addressess, which is one more > > > headache to track. Sure if you are doing true 802.11 CPE, no problem, the > > > link uses the MAC of the CPE that you already know, but when supporting > > > true > > > bridging, it means discovering teh MAC of the customer provided Home > > > Router. > > > > Any radio worth its salt that does true bridging would also have a > > bridging table that is accessible via SNMP or HTML screen scraping. One > > of our in-house programs polls all the AP's (we're a Canopy outfit, but > > same principles apply to most Ethernet-based gear) and saves the MAC > > addresses to a database, where I match the MACs to the subscriber's > > radio and back to their account. > > > > It's usefulness is most apparent when a customer wonders why their > > connection is lousy and we can see that they've either got 1) their > > radio plugged into a switch instead of a router and we can see all their > > computers, or 2) their computer is doing one of those > > change-my-mac-every-10-seconds network attack things. > > > > Our central DHCP server logs which router the requests come from as > > well, helping us to narrow down which section of the network to search > > in the case that the MAC doesn't show up in any of the radios. > > So what happens when the customer plugs the radio into the switch and > is broadcasting his local DHCP info to everybody? That would really > mess up the network. > Nothing, you can block that at most bridge CPEs (alvarion for sure). And can also block them at the tower side (only let the DHCP requests go to your equipment not back to the customers on the tower). Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Magellan makes some GPS that include a GPS based compass to ignore the magnetic problems with some vertical assets. Will also work standing still, but uses batteries fairly fast with the compass turned on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet "with proper calibration". Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > Mike, > > The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. > Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Authentication
Ugo, We use VPN tunnels for this purpose. L2TP + IPSEC. XP, Vista and Mac OSX have built in support. Unlike PPPoE, this works across multiple ethernet segments, allowing for a single centrally located VPN server. The internal network is entirely private IPs. Upon VPN establishment, a public or private IP is allocated by radius. Encryption is an added bonus. The latency is greater than with PPPoE, but it's tolerable. Concurrent sessions can be limited, preventing theft by neighbors. The user/pass pair is remembered by the client, meeting your desire to avoid continual prompting. I'm confident that there are other good options. We like this model because it is network infrastructure agnostic. ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Ugo Bellavance wrote: > Ugo Bellavance wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering about authentication. The equipment is from SkyPilot >> and we were wondering what to use for authentication. The end-user will >> be using a standard WiFi card (integrated, or USB) to access the >> wireless network. We want the setup to be one-time (not a >> username/password prompt each time the user opens his browser). This is >> the same project of max 300 clients in apartment buildings. I was >> thinking about keeping all the accounts in a RADIUS server and use >> WPA-Radius. >> >> Any input would be appreciated. > > Second try... How do you guys perform authentication? Do you all > provide your clients with CPE? Is there anyone in my situation where > they need authentication because clients use their own equipment? > > Regards, > > Ugo Belavance > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
I figured a real GPS device would be more accurate than my Nextel phone, but apparently not. I've never seen it report an accuracy greater than 30 feet, even in areas where there is no cell coverage to augment the accuracy. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS > Mike, > > The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. > Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate > results. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >> different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can >> climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number >> out of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
http://tinyurl.com/259a2f http://tinyurl.com/yrpqsw $40.00 to 10,000.00 is a big price range! My gps is WAAS or what ever enabled, but I have to be 25-30 feet away from the tower to get anything close to accurate on the compass. Altitude is close. We just use a land mark with Google Earth's line/measuring tool, and print it out before we go. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet "with proper calibration". Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > Mike, > > The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 > feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product > accurate results. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >> different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these >> programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I >> can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a >> number out of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
On Jan 29, 2008 11:52 AM, Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom DeReggi wrote: > > Yes but there are some security concerns with DHCP when sharing wireless > > sectors. To prevent requires tracking MAC addressess, which is one more > > headache to track. Sure if you are doing true 802.11 CPE, no problem, the > > link uses the MAC of the CPE that you already know, but when supporting true > > bridging, it means discovering teh MAC of the customer provided Home Router. > > Any radio worth its salt that does true bridging would also have a > bridging table that is accessible via SNMP or HTML screen scraping. One > of our in-house programs polls all the AP's (we're a Canopy outfit, but > same principles apply to most Ethernet-based gear) and saves the MAC > addresses to a database, where I match the MACs to the subscriber's > radio and back to their account. > > It's usefulness is most apparent when a customer wonders why their > connection is lousy and we can see that they've either got 1) their > radio plugged into a switch instead of a router and we can see all their > computers, or 2) their computer is doing one of those > change-my-mac-every-10-seconds network attack things. > > Our central DHCP server logs which router the requests come from as > well, helping us to narrow down which section of the network to search > in the case that the MAC doesn't show up in any of the radios. So what happens when the customer plugs the radio into the switch and is broadcasting his local DHCP info to everybody? That would really mess up the network. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet "with proper calibration". Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > Mike, > > The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. > Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >> different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can >> climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out >> of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Authentication
Ugo Bellavance wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering about authentication. The equipment is from SkyPilot > and we were wondering what to use for authentication. The end-user will > be using a standard WiFi card (integrated, or USB) to access the > wireless network. We want the setup to be one-time (not a > username/password prompt each time the user opens his browser). This is > the same project of max 300 clients in apartment buildings. I was > thinking about keeping all the accounts in a RADIUS server and use > WPA-Radius. > > Any input would be appreciated. Second try... How do you guys perform authentication? Do you all provide your clients with CPE? Is there anyone in my situation where they need authentication because clients use their own equipment? Regards, Ugo Belavance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Also, get one with an electronic compass... Be careful that you make sure that the compass feature works when stationary. Many have the compass feature, but you must be moving for it to work. On 1/29/08 12:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get a WAAS enabled machine. Then you can get accurate elevation > measurements. Without elevation figures are pretty bad on a hand held > device. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:11 AM > Subject: [WISPA] GPS > > >> I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >> different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. >> >> What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? >> >> I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can >> climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number >> out of you know where. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Get a WAAS enabled machine. Then you can get accurate elevation measurements. Without elevation figures are pretty bad on a hand held device. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS >I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many >different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. > > What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? > > I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can > climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number > out of you know where. > > Recommendations? > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
Tom DeReggi wrote: > Yes but there are some security concerns with DHCP when sharing wireless > sectors. To prevent requires tracking MAC addressess, which is one more > headache to track. Sure if you are doing true 802.11 CPE, no problem, the > link uses the MAC of the CPE that you already know, but when supporting true > bridging, it means discovering teh MAC of the customer provided Home Router. Any radio worth its salt that does true bridging would also have a bridging table that is accessible via SNMP or HTML screen scraping. One of our in-house programs polls all the AP's (we're a Canopy outfit, but same principles apply to most Ethernet-based gear) and saves the MAC addresses to a database, where I match the MACs to the subscriber's radio and back to their account. It's usefulness is most apparent when a customer wonders why their connection is lousy and we can see that they've either got 1) their radio plugged into a switch instead of a router and we can see all their computers, or 2) their computer is doing one of those change-my-mac-every-10-seconds network attack things. Our central DHCP server logs which router the requests come from as well, helping us to narrow down which section of the network to search in the case that the MAC doesn't show up in any of the radios. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Mike Hammett wrote: > I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many > different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. > > What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? > > I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb > a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you > know where. > > Recommendations? I like the Garmin handhelds... got a GPSMAP 60c myself with a serial->bluetooth/power supply combo that spits NMEA out to my laptop or BlackBerry. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: > I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many > different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. > > What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? > > I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb > a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you > know where. > > Recommendations? > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS
I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Save us all
LOL. Death threats, "lost" programmers, 20 feet underground. LOL. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:02 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Save us all Hi, I just got a postcard today from www.rescueisp.com. After looking at the website, I did a whois on the domain and found Mark Hopperton as the owner. And then I found his other website, www.xsfunds.com. I'm starting to wonder if these guys have it figured out... get all your money up front from big investors, act like you have this great new product that nobody else has, and then take your money and run. :) Pretty amazing that investors are still falling for this kind of stuff... with millions and millions of dollars... Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE client - server across several subnets?
All I know of is to use EoIP or other Layer 2 tunnels to bring the Ethernet traffic back to it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "rabbtux rabbtux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE client - server across several subnets? > All, > > I'd like to try a few PPPoE clients, and would like to have the pppoe > server at my border so it will have enough CPU ummph. > I don't want to load up my AP with this function. Is it possible to > have a pppoe proxy on the tower, and the pppoe server at the network > center. We have a several hop trip to the NOC. > > Thanks, > marshall > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
In your case I could see where that's an issue. We used to manage IP's on a spreadsheet, but now we do it with a web based system. Each installer has a "temp" IP they can assign at the customer location, get online, grab an open IP, and assign it - no big deal for us. Hey, not saying you're wrong at all - just expressing my side as well :-) hehe - I think the guy that asked about this is definately getting his money's worth! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,, it was supposed to say bigger and more profitable. I am looking at it from my standpoint, we have 2000+ customers, 48 POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and rfc1918). We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during business hours. Now, in order to assign an IP address the tech has to call in and get one from the CSRs, that can take awhile especially when we are busy. Assigning and managing IPs is done with a BFS (Big %&#ing Spreadsheet), I am guessing you currently use the same method. Now we could assign the IP address on the work order, but then you have to make sure it gets used, or marked as free if it is a no-go, this is more difficult with more people. Also since we have multiple CSRs we have to have the BFS shared, that causes numerous time delays when saving, making changes and dealing with conflicts. Luckily I hardly ever have to deal with the BFS, or IP assignment. But I do believe it can be better Rather than looking at how well it works now, take a look at how it will work in the future. If you are ok with what you see, continue how you want. I am only expressing my opinion and will not feel bad if you do not agree with it. ;) Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: > Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP > comes into play. Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in. Yeah, > not quite as convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate > IP's if you get sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with > static. > > Renumbering, like you mentioned, is also MUCH easier if you have > internal privates. I NAT at the headend - not at each tower / POP. > Makes management very easy for me. > > For me, static works, dhcp doesn't. Of course, everyone is different. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Ryan Langseth > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users > > There are things like looking at the customer base. > > 1) are they likely to need incoming connections ( This is mainly for > businesses ) > 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate > trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just > annoying) > 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers > router will be doing nat also. Certain system do not handle that very > nicely > > Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all, I also > strongly dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that > static. > Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber, obivously > with privates that problem is largely gone. > > Depending on where you are doing your NAT, I would suggest if you go > that route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers. That > way you can implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find > problem customers (virus, etc) . > > Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major > mistake. You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install techs > and CSRs time per install. > > > Ryan > > On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: > >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with >>> cost. >>> >> >> Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly? >> >> Regards, >> >> Ugo Bellavance >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: htt
