[WISPA] Turbocell AP
Anyone have a functioning Turbocell AP you'd like to sell? Hit me offlist if you do... Thanks. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
They will support AP, Client, Client bridge. -drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will they do access point mode? Can they be flashed to other brands of software like the Powerstations? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:44:54 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no manual that I know of yet as it is all pretty straight forward. If one comes out, I will make sure I pass it on :) -drew Mike Hammett wrote: It'd be nice to have a manual for one of them. I asked UBNT, but haven't received one yet. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Sorry to double post. Yes they work in AP mode and the polarity can be chosen, h, v, or auto. Auto wouldn't make much sense on the AP side, but for clients it's killer. The config I am wanting to play with is a dual-pol config (6xHoriz, 6xVert) plus 2 (external omni's). I realize the RF nightmare that it would create, but if there is a way to do it, it would be (in a Jeff Spicoli voice) awesome. -d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Nanostations work as APs? I'm very interested in also finding out whether polarity can be set as an AP. If they can be I think this is the solution I've been looking for to change out my old tower equipment (esp. at that price! $1000 to run a 2.4/5.8 tower). Also, does anyone have a manual or any more info about this AirOS? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt=Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Yeah, You hit right on the pain point with Dual Pol. Dual Pol Radiowaves Sector 60-90deg: $1300. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations Do the Nanostations work as APs? I'm very interested in also finding out whether polarity can be set as an AP. If they can be I think this is the solution I've been looking for to change out my old tower equipment (esp. at that price! $1000 to run a 2.4/5.8 tower). Also, does anyone have a manual or any more info about this AirOS? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B28?
Hi Cameron, Give me a call tomorrow at the office and we'll diag this together. Mike At 10:03 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote: Hello All, I have a couple dozen of B14 and/or B28 units currently in service. We deployed a new 5.8 B28 set for a 24 Mile link. When installed it was great. Strong signal around 29+ SNR on either end. We are using 29dbi (2 foot) dish Pac Wireless on either end with ATPC turned on. Recently, we have had problem with the link randomly going up/down. Odd, we have checked everything multiple times, we have replaced indoor/outdoor units on either end trying to rule them out, same result. Replaced Feedhorns/Cable same results. Sometimes the link runs for 6 days without a hitch and other barely makes it 2 hours (very random). At this point, we think it is somewhere in configuration, but from what I can tell, they are basically a mirror to the 2 dozen other units we are using. We have ruled out interference at either site with many spec scans. Does anybody have any thoughts on why this may be happening? Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)594-8277 ext. 108 Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Wow, $79 ?!?! Man that will turn this industry upside down quickly. Thats amazing value, for a residential play. 14dbi is probably enough for many short range plays. It said it had Ext SMA connectors. Is that a seperate model unit, or additionally integrated into the one that has the integrated int antenna? And if so, is teh Ext SMA Dual Pol (qty2) or single connector? Anything different about AirOS? Will this link up fine with StarOS APs, in Wifi Client mode? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless under trees
We have a big State park campground we are adding to and will probably do 2.4 and 900 below the trees. What we have done so far (2 sectors) has worked great. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:34 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Wireless under trees I remember a few years ago reading on one of these lists about instead of trying to do wireless through the tree tops, someone was going to try to put their sectors below the trees and shoot at ground level. Does anyone know how well this would work? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
Right, it's unregulated business, if the customers don't like it then go find another provider, where will it stop? Next they will fine restaurants for cutting back on the grease in foods for the reason that we should be getting all the unhealthy grease equally? Heres a solution create rule all-p2p = DROP Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation; _ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
secretly we will have to be more explicit in our terms of service and our service offerings. I'm getting ready to redo my stuff anyways, but I'm going to spell it out. Till now I don't really say what speeds anyone is going to get exactly. It's up to, as fast as, and best effort. But I think to avoid having any liabilities or bad blood, I'm go to be explicit in exactly how slow certain applications go and how fast others are allowed. George Rogato wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt=Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
I don't gather that the FCC is telling me what I can or can't do, but more that if I sell a product as A then I need to deliver A and not a watered down B product. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
I can agree with this approach. Encourage the providers with a lesser product to clearly illustrate they have a lesser product. Leave it to the consumer to decide if they want to pay for a better (non-limited) product or not, but don't let the lesser provider get away with selling one thing and providing another. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers secretly we will have to be more explicit in our terms of service and our service offerings. I'm getting ready to redo my stuff anyways, but I'm going to spell it out. Till now I don't really say what speeds anyone is going to get exactly. It's up to, as fast as, and best effort. But I think to avoid having any liabilities or bad blood, I'm go to be explicit in exactly how slow certain applications go and how fast others are allowed. George Rogato wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! Speak for yourself. (By the way, I am speaking for myself, not for my boss, my employer, WISPA itself for whom I do occasional work, or anyone else. This is always the case, but I feel especially compelled to mention it here.) The day a legislature or court orders me to stop shaping p2p traffic, I'll dust off my resume, because the network will melt shortly thereafter, beyond my ability to repair. The inexpensive last-mile gear many smaller wireless operators use don't respond well to p2p traffic. Towers with fifty customers can be brought to their knees by ONE customer with an encrypted BitTorrent client, or Limewire, or other p2p software. (Every time this subject comes up, there's a bunch of just build out your network to handle the load du punters. As that isn't always feasible, given the limitations of small company budgets and the technology available within said budgets, let's just assume I don't have millions of dollars handy to do so.) My sole concern is keeping my network running as well as possible, given the limits of the budget and technology at my disposal. I don't care what you're downloading, and if I had a choice I wouldn't care about how you're downloading it. I don't even care whether it's for legal use. (And let's not kid ourselves on that point.) Unfortunately, as near as I can tell, the folks making these edicts aren't making the distinction between social and technical reasons for traffic shaping. David Smith WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
I can appreciate your position and I think George has hit it squarely on the head. Simply state exactly what your service is going to provide...nothing more and nothing less. I think the FCC is more interested in providers possibly bait and switching the consumer than they are at regulating our networks. I could be wrong...but I know if the cable and DSL companies had to clearly state they will limit their customers usage on certain applications it will make our sales efforts easier. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! Speak for yourself. (By the way, I am speaking for myself, not for my boss, my employer, WISPA itself for whom I do occasional work, or anyone else. This is always the case, but I feel especially compelled to mention it here.) The day a legislature or court orders me to stop shaping p2p traffic, I'll dust off my resume, because the network will melt shortly thereafter, beyond my ability to repair. The inexpensive last-mile gear many smaller wireless operators use don't respond well to p2p traffic. Towers with fifty customers can be brought to their knees by ONE customer with an encrypted BitTorrent client, or Limewire, or other p2p software. (Every time this subject comes up, there's a bunch of just build out your network to handle the load du punters. As that isn't always feasible, given the limitations of small company budgets and the technology available within said budgets, let's just assume I don't have millions of dollars handy to do so.) My sole concern is keeping my network running as well as possible, given the limits of the budget and technology at my disposal. I don't care what you're downloading, and if I had a choice I wouldn't care about how you're downloading it. I don't even care whether it's for legal use. (And let's not kid ourselves on that point.) Unfortunately, as near as I can tell, the folks making these edicts aren't making the distinction between social and technical reasons for traffic shaping. David Smith WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco Mesh 1510 or 1520 series
I've done Cisco, but it was a small install, just 4 1500 series John Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc wrote: Mesh is a four letter word to most! Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cisco Mesh 1510 or 1520 series I'm wondering if there are any integrators or WISPs here on the list actually using Outdoor Cisco Mesh gear. If you are. Please contact me offlist. Thanks Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
Exactly my feelings! Travis Johnson wrote: Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
Agreed. This comes to a shock to me that the FCC would even think of going here. Just wait until the MPAA and RIAA catch wind of this. I know torrents can be used to distribute legal content, but I bet my WISP if all of us saw what was actually going through the torrents...that 98% would be illegal copyrighted material. When they send someone to me with a CALEA complaint of copyright distribution, I am going to tell them they are SOL, the FCC says I can't watch and manage the traffic across my network. This hurts the rural ISP more than the others. I thought the FCC wanted to foster broadband deployment in rural areas? We pay over $1300/mth for 2 x T1 here from ACC, the cheapest place I can get it. There is NO ACCESS to fiber, unless I can figure out a way to backhaul it wirelessly over 50 miles of jumping hills. WTG FCC, Sorry for my flaming, but they are getting more stupid in DC by the day. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:21:10 -0700 Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation;_ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
You should watch what you say, it might happen, or something close. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/02/ms_fat.html On 2/26/08, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, it's unregulated business, if the customers don't like it then go find another provider, where will it stop? Next they will fine restaurants for cutting back on the grease in foods for the reason that we should be getting all the unhealthy grease equally? Heres a solution create rule all-p2p = DROP Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers Except that I am a private company, and don't feel the FCC should be telling me what I can and can't do. I don't take government money, grants, funding, etc. therefore I don't think they should have ANY say in what I do with MY company. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! I do see this hurting the flagrant oversubscription models the cable and DSL companies use and that is why they are at the forefront against what the FCC is proposing. If the FCC slaps a few fines on a couple cable companies for manipulating the bandwidth their customers are paying for then they will probably begin to start raising their prices. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing for us. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_hi_te/fcc_internet_regulation; _ylt =Amemx2yVrJg63gF8aZg0fzQjtBAF Federal regulators on Monday said they are ready to discipline Internet service providers who secretly favor certain types of data traffic, like Web surfing, over others, like file sharing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
