[WISPA] The Cartoon Guide to Federal Spectrum Policy

2008-03-07 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.newamerica.net/files/archive/Pub_File_1555_1.pdf


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Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...

2008-03-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I have had the exact same problem with the CPQs and like you said, swapping
them with a CPE-200 works fine. All I did to fix the problem was back the TX
power down on the CPQ's. Some CPQ's I have that are close in and connecting
in the -40's or -50's wouldn't even start passing traffic until I set them
at 2db power output, make sure you don't set it to low so that it doesn't
connect back to the AP. I would start setting it at 15 and work your way
from there. Also make sure your CPQ's have latest firmware, this has solved
a lot of trouble also. I think the TX power is going to fix it. Let us know
if it does.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

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Subject: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...

Hi all...

Recently, I am having a problem with the Tranzeo CPQ CPE radio's passing 
traffic when associated to a Hermes I, (Lucent PCMCIA based) or a Prism 
2.5, (Senao MP2511 based) AP.  They will associate and show good signal 
quality, but they have high and variable latency, very high, (80%+) 
retransmission rate, and next to no thruput.

If I take an old Tranzeo CPE-200 or a Linksys WET-11 or a Lucent EC, it 
works fine.

Tranzeo claim there is a known issue with Atheros clients connecting to 
these older AP's, but I have Atheros based PCMCIA cards in laptops that 
work just fine with them.

Has anyone else had this or a similar problem?  And if so, is there any 
work around?

Thanks...

Blair Davis
West Michigan Wireless ISP






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Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...

2008-03-07 Thread Steve
You'll find some advice in the MT forum, try downgrading to 2.9.x and
lower the hardware retries down to 4-7.
I've done this resulting in improved stability.
steve

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Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm having trouble with the cpq and mt with xr2 cards.

 There's a problem that they aren't figuring out yet.

 marlon

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 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:27 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...


   
 Hi all...

 Recently, I am having a problem with the Tranzeo CPQ CPE radio's passing
 traffic when associated to a Hermes I, (Lucent PCMCIA based) or a Prism
 2.5, (Senao MP2511 based) AP.  They will associate and show good signal
 quality, but they have high and variable latency, very high, (80%+)
 retransmission rate, and next to no thruput.

 If I take an old Tranzeo CPE-200 or a Linksys WET-11 or a Lucent EC, it
 works fine.

 Tranzeo claim there is a known issue with Atheros clients connecting to
 these older AP's, but I have Atheros based PCMCIA cards in laptops that
 work just fine with them.

 Has anyone else had this or a similar problem?  And if so, is there any
 work around?

 Thanks...

 Blair Davis
 West Michigan Wireless ISP




 
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[WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman

 Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their
radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and
price?

 Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of
weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person
this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have)
even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since
they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will
gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know
they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


Thanks folks,
Mac




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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Mac,

The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. 
The TX power was down 20db.

We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached 
and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal 
section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the 
other. :(

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:
  Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their
 radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and
 price?

  Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of
 weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person
 this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have)
 even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since
 they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will
 gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know
 they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


 Thanks folks,
 Mac



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman
Thanks Travis!

  Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. 

Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are
buying from the same place. Wisp-router???

Thanks,
Mac





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 Mac,
 
 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.
 
 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mac Dearman wrote:
   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
 their
  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
 and
  price?
 
   Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
 kinds of
  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
 person
  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
 have)
  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
 supplier since
  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
 will
  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
 I know
  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 
  Thanks folks,
  Mac
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson




These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He
claims nobody else has said anything (yet).

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:

  Thanks Travis!

  Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. 

Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are
buying from the same place. Wisp-router???

Thanks,
Mac





  
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

Mac,

The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
The TX power was down 20db.

We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
other. :(

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:


   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
  

their


  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
  

and


  price?

 Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
  

kinds of


  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
  

person


  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
  

have)


  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
  

supplier since


  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
  

will


  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
  

I know


  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


Thanks folks,
Mac



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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman
I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks
too!!  

 

CRAP! J

 

Mac

 

 

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

 

These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He
claims nobody else has said anything (yet).

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote: 

Thanks Travis!
 
  Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. 
 
Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are
buying from the same place. Wisp-router???
 
Thanks,
Mac
 
 
 
 
 
  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
Mac,
 
The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
The TX power was down 20db.
 
We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
other. :(
 
Travis
Microserv
 
Mac Dearman wrote:


 Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
  

their


radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
  

and


price?
 
 Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
  

kinds of


weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
  

person


this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
  

have)


even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
  

supplier since


they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
  

will


gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
  

I know


they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 
Thanks folks,
Mac
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm

Worth every penny.  I have tested one or two of the R52H cards.  The power
levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as how
even they are.  I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power
settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly.  They are set to run as
high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really need to
never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal resistor
hooked up.  These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H or S
models.  I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the Tx
down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) - you
need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match -
although I believe they are real close on these cards.


Brad Hagstrom
(Jenco Wireless, LLC)




On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena
 networks
 too!!



 CRAP! J



 Mac









 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES



 These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He
 claims nobody else has said anything (yet).

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mac Dearman wrote:

 Thanks Travis!

  Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
 and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
 to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
 guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
 nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link.

 Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we
 are
 buying from the same place. Wisp-router???

 Thanks,
 Mac







 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

 Mac,

 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.

 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mac Dearman wrote:


  Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test


 their


 radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name


 and


 price?

  Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all


 kinds of


 weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other


 person


 this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I


 have)


 even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my


 supplier since


 they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier


 will


 gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though


 I know


 they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


 Thanks folks,
 Mac



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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Same problem here with the R52H from Wisp-Router

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

Thanks Travis!

  Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. 

Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are
buying from the same place. Wisp-router???

Thanks,
Mac





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 Mac,
 
 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.
 
 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mac Dearman wrote:
   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
 their
  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
 and
  price?
 
   Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
 kinds of
  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
 person
  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
 have)
  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
 supplier since
  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
 will
  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
 I know
  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 
  Thanks folks,
  Mac
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Frank
I see all these complaints on the list. I'll look into this.

We won't send any more until this is sorted out.


Frank Keeney
Pasadena Networks, LLC 

 -Original Message-
 From: Mac Dearman
 
 I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from 
 Pasadena networks
 too!!  
 
  
 
 CRAP! J
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...

2008-03-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
There is a 3.4 release from MT.  Just installed it.  We'll see how it holds 
up.

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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...


 You'll find some advice in the MT forum, try downgrading to 2.9.x and
 lower the hardware retries down to 4-7.
 I've done this resulting in improved stability.
 steve

 -

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm having trouble with the cpq and mt with xr2 cards.

 There's a problem that they aren't figuring out yet.

 marlon

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 From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:27 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...



 Hi all...

 Recently, I am having a problem with the Tranzeo CPQ CPE radio's passing
 traffic when associated to a Hermes I, (Lucent PCMCIA based) or a Prism
 2.5, (Senao MP2511 based) AP.  They will associate and show good signal
 quality, but they have high and variable latency, very high, (80%+)
 retransmission rate, and next to no thruput.

 If I take an old Tranzeo CPE-200 or a Linksys WET-11 or a Lucent EC, it
 works fine.

 Tranzeo claim there is a known issue with Atheros clients connecting to
 these older AP's, but I have Atheros based PCMCIA cards in laptops that
 work just fine with them.

 Has anyone else had this or a similar problem?  And if so, is there any
 work around?

 Thanks...

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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Nash
Dang!... I'll have to check out the ones I got from Streakwave!!

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From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES


 I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena
networks
 too!!



 CRAP! J



 Mac









 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES



 These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He
 claims nobody else has said anything (yet).

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mac Dearman wrote:

 Thanks Travis!

   Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out
 and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about
 to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off
 guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly
 nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link.

 Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we
are
 buying from the same place. Wisp-router???

 Thanks,
 Mac







 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

 Mac,

 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.

 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mac Dearman wrote:


  Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test


 their


 radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name


 and


 price?

  Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all


 kinds of


 weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other


 person


 this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I


 have)


 even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my


 supplier since


 they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier


 will


 gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though


 I know


 they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


 Thanks folks,
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[WISPA] satellite mounts

2008-03-07 Thread chris cooper


Can anybody point me to a good source for cheap satellite masts/j
mounts?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman
That's exactly what I was looking for Brad. Thanks for the link.

Can you tell me how much that puppy costs???

Mac




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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:39 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm
 
 Worth every penny.  I have tested one or two of the R52H cards.  The
 power
 levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as
 how
 even they are.  I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power
 settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly.  They are set to run
 as
 high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really
 need to
 never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal
 resistor
 hooked up.  These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H
 or S
 models.  I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the
 Tx
 down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) -
 you
 need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match -
 although I believe they are real close on these cards.
 
 
 Brad Hagstrom
 (Jenco Wireless, LLC)
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena
  networks
  too!!
 
 
 
  CRAP! J
 
 
 
  Mac
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
   To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 
 
  These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it.
 He
  claims nobody else has said anything (yet).
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mac Dearman wrote:
 
  Thanks Travis!
 
   Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them
 out
  and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and
 about
  to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us
 off
  guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that
 hardly
  nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link.
 
  Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if
 we
  are
  buying from the same place. Wisp-router???
 
  Thanks,
  Mac
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
  Mac,
 
  The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were
 bad.
  The TX power was down 20db.
 
  We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
  and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
  section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
  other. :(
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mac Dearman wrote:
 
 
   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
 
 
  their
 
 
  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
 
 
  and
 
 
  price?
 
   Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
 
 
  kinds of
 
 
  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
 
 
  person
 
 
  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
 
 
  have)
 
 
  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
 
 
  supplier since
 
 
  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
 
 
  will
 
 
  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
 
 
  I know
 
 
  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 
  Thanks folks,
  Mac
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] satellite mounts

2008-03-07 Thread Mike Goicoechea
Defacto just got a large shipment of them. They are in stock and can ship
today. 
http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.51/.f?sc=2category=43 
http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.52/.f?sc=2category=43 

Thanks,

Mike Goicoechea  


 

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Subject: [WISPA] satellite mounts



Can anybody point me to a good source for cheap satellite masts/j
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Thanks
Chris Cooper
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Harnish
Chuck,

I really think ISPCON should focus their shows in more centrally located
venues.  San Jose did not have the best attendance because of the location
and expense to get there for much of the population in the country.  I would
think Denver, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas and St. Louis would make much more
sense for the maximum benefit of attendees.  

I did notice that your booth was tucked way in the back of the vendor hall
last fall.  It was definitely not in a high traffic area.  I kind of felt
sorry for any of the vendors on that back row.  I'm sorry you had such a bad
experience with ISPCON.  The show was excellent for WISPA but our booth was
in a better position than yours was, and I want to publicly thank Wireless
Beehive (http://www.wbmfg.com/Home) for becoming a vendor member of WISPA at
that show!  

I do agree that ISPCON is not even close to 10 years ago, and most likely
never will be again.  Of course, our companies aren't worth 6-20x earnings
now either.  It’s a sign of the times, not necessarily a sign of a bad show.


I personally look forward to going to ISPCON in Chicago, to meet new people,
converse with my friends in the industry and enlighten my knowledge base.
With all that said, I'm only 150 miles from Chicago, so my travel expenses
won't be too great.

Respectfully,
Rick Harnish

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

Nevermore quoth the raven.  I think it is a lousy value, not anywhere even
remotely approaching what it was 10 years ago.  Winog is good if nearby,
Wispcons used to be good.  Once upon a time ispcon was THE event.  -
Original Message -   From: Brian Rohrbacher   To: WISPA General List
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:16 PM  Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

  Holy crap!  I just went to ispcon.com  to check out how much it costs.
It's $700.  Does that even come close to being worth it?  Who is going?
  Brian
  Mike Hammett wrote: I've only registered for the exhibit floor, but I'll
be there for whatever's free!  haha, maybe I'll have money later this year
to start getting memberships.  There will be two of us.

--Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

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Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:47 PMSubject: [WISPA] ISPCON

  Everyone,


HYPERLINK http://www.ispcon.com/ISPCON is rapidly approaching even
thoughwinter seems to keep coming.  WISPA is planning a “WISPA Powered”
track witha full slate of speakers at this event.  This is one of two
Wireless tracksat ISPCON.  WISPA will also be holding our WISPA Reception on
May 13th at6:30 pm.  This event will be sponsored by
HYPERLINKhttp://www.imagestream.com/Imagestream and
HYPERLINKhttp://www.powercode.com/Powercode.We are also planning a
WISPA “JamSession” this year and will invite attendees who are musically
talented tobring their instruments and play to everyone’s enjoyment.  This
event willbe sponsored by HYPERLINK http://www.mikrotik.com/Mikrotik.


Being in Chicago this spring, we expect a very good turnout of vendors
andoperators.  We are planning accordingly as last fall’s reception had
anoverflow of attendance into the hallway.  We are asking for a larger
roomthis time to accommodate a larger expected crowd given the more
centrallylocated venue of Chicago.


I will be accepting WISPA Shirt orders again this year.  I plan on makingthe
order on April 20th and need to have all orders in by April 15th.Please send
me your shirt size, color and number of shirts by this date.These will be a
nice button down dual blend shirt with the WISPA logoembroidered.  I have
considered adding ISPCON Chicago 2008 below the logo ifenough people desire
it, so let me know.  Assuming there have been no priceincreases, I
anticipate the cost of the shirts will be $42 picked up at theshow or $47 if
shipped to your location.


We will hold a raffle again this year and I have asked vendors to
considerdonating door prizes for this event at our reception.  We hope many
of youwill consider attending this spring as we feel you will definitely get
yourmoney’s worth.  I would like to get an idea of how many WISPA readers
andmembers will be in attendance, so please RSVP ASAP so that we can begin
toget an idea on the head count planning on attending.  Please let me know
howmany people from your company will be there.


Last fall, many vendors donated some very nice door prizes
includingHYPERLINK http://www.alvarion.com/Alvarion with a Full B100 link
listingat $7990.  Many thanks to all the vendors who participated last fall
and toPatrick Leary and Alvarion for their very nice doorprize.


Respectfully,
Rick Harnish
Vice President
WISPA

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Re: [WISPA] satellite mounts

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Harnish
Mike,

You need to be very careful posting like this.  Defacto is not a vendor
member of WISPA yet, and this type of public posting will not be tolerated.
Even Vendor Members are not allowed to link to online catalogs such as you
have just done.  If you contact the original poster privately, that is one
thing, but don't clutter up everyone's mailbox with your sales efforts.

Respectfully,
The Evil Moderator

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Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] satellite mounts

Defacto just got a large shipment of them. They are in stock and can ship
today. 
http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.51/.f?sc=2category=43 
http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.52/.f?sc=2category=43 

Thanks,

Mike Goicoechea  


 

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Thanks
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Intelliwave





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Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman
I just finished testing these radios and 50% of them were bad. One was DOA
and the others were down anywhere from -10db rx to 
 -20db on the Tx side. One was bad on both sides. 

What are we going to turn to for replacement? I have 3 new towers dressed
out needing nothing but RADIOS I guess the old faithful CM9 will work
since it runs about half of my network now in 5.xGHz.

I must add that Frank Keeney (Pasadena Networks) has already sent me a
return shipping label for the bad radios!! www.wlanparts.com is on the ball
with GREAT customer service!!

THANKS FRANK! And thanks for the great pricing too!! You have earned a
regular customer here today!! (that's me)

Mac







 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 Mac,
 
 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.
 
 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mac Dearman wrote:
   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
 their
  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
 and
  price?
 
   Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
 kinds of
  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
 person
  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
 have)
  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
 supplier since
  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
 will
  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
 I know
  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 
  Thanks folks,
  Mac
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson




Mac,

I have to step in here and say that Frank was NOT so nice and kind when
I first reported this issue LAST week. In fact, he basically said we
didn't know what we were talking about and asked "how we tested them".
Now that everyone else is seeing the problem, he has come forward and
also sent me a return UPS label.

We are using SR5 cards for the AP's. They have been rock solid on many
of our point to point links for several years, so we are going to use
those on all of our AP's.

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:

  I just finished testing these radios and 50% of them were bad. One was DOA
and the others were down anywhere from -10db rx to 
 -20db on the Tx side. One was bad on both sides. 

What are we going to turn to for replacement? I have 3 new towers dressed
out needing nothing but RADIOS I guess the old faithful CM9 will work
since it runs about half of my network now in 5.xGHz.

I must add that Frank Keeney (Pasadena Networks) has already sent me a
return shipping label for the bad radios!! www.wlanparts.com is on the ball
with GREAT customer service!!

THANKS FRANK! And thanks for the great pricing too!! You have earned a
regular customer here today!! (that's me)

Mac







  
  
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES

Mac,

The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
The TX power was down 20db.

We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
other. :(

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:


   Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
  

their


  radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
  

and


  price?

 Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
  

kinds of


  weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
  

person


  this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
  

have)


  even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
  

supplier since


  they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
  

will


  gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
  

I know


  they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.


Thanks folks,
Mac



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[WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors

2008-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi,

Anyone have suggestions for affordable 90 and 120 degree 5.3ghz sector 
(horizontal polarity is preferred) antennas?

thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures

2008-03-07 Thread Mac Dearman
Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the
RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out that
the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in.


Anyone have a nice solution to share??


Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
Hi Mac.  I think I paid a little over $500 a couple of years ago.  I really
wish their UMPC based spectrum analyser was a little less - I just can't
justify the cost on it ($4,500 with a Samsung Q1) - but the power meter has
paid for itself in headache relief.


Brad H



On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's exactly what I was looking for Brad. Thanks for the link.

 Can you tell me how much that puppy costs???

 Mac




  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:39 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
  http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm
 
  Worth every penny.  I have tested one or two of the R52H cards.  The
  power
  levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as
  how
  even they are.  I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power
  settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly.  They are set to run
  as
  high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really
  need to
  never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal
  resistor
  hooked up.  These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H
  or S
  models.  I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the
  Tx
  down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) -
  you
  need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match -
  although I believe they are real close on these cards.
 
 
  Brad Hagstrom
  (Jenco Wireless, LLC)
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena
   networks
   too!!
  
  
  
   CRAP! J
  
  
  
   Mac
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
   Behalf Of Travis Johnson
   Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
  
  
  
   These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it.
  He
   claims nobody else has said anything (yet).
  
   Travis
   Microserv
  
   Mac Dearman wrote:
  
   Thanks Travis!
  
Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them
  out
   and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and
  about
   to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us
  off
   guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that
  hardly
   nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link.
  
   Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if
  we
   are
   buying from the same place. Wisp-router???
  
   Thanks,
   Mac
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
   Behalf Of Travis Johnson
   Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
  
   Mac,
  
   The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were
  bad.
   The TX power was down 20db.
  
   We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
   and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
   section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
   other. :(
  
   Travis
   Microserv
  
   Mac Dearman wrote:
  
  
Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
  
  
   their
  
  
   radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
  
  
   and
  
  
   price?
  
Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
  
  
   kinds of
  
  
   weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
  
  
   person
  
  
   this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
  
  
   have)
  
  
   even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
  
  
   supplier since
  
  
   they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
  
  
   will
  
  
   gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
  
  
   I know
  
  
   they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
  
  
   Thanks folks,
   Mac
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures

2008-03-07 Thread Jenco Wireless
Hi Mac.  If the RB-333 is about the same size as the RB-600, I use the 14 x
12.  It's a little tight - I vent them myself so I can change the
orientation - the RB would probably fit better the way they have them vented
though.

http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/nema_enclosures.php

-- Brad H
(Jenco Wireless, LLC)


On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the
 RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out
 that
 the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in.


 Anyone have a nice solution to share??


 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Joshua Rowe
I have also seen problems with the R52H cards and power output as many of 
you have noticed. I have also seen signal loss problems with pigtails and n-
type cables lately which brings me to the point I want to make. 

What has happened to quality control? 

In my humble opinion the manufacturer should test these products before ever 
shipping to the distributor/vendor as they are clearly manufacturer defects. 
I'm sure Pasadena, Wisp-router, etc. would not sell faulty products had they 
known, and it is not up to them to test every card or cable before they 
ship, they rely on the manufacturer to provide a quality product. I'm 
somewhat familiar with the manufacturing industry and yes, I agree with 
those of you who will say it's too costly to test every single item and if 
the manufacturer had to absorb that cost it would only be passed on to us 
consumers resulting in higher priced gear, and none of us want that and we 
should not have pay a few extra bucks per unit to ensure proper operation so 
we're not wasting man hours on testing, climbing a tower or making a truck 
roll for a second time due to . It is very dissapointing and costly to have 
to test and sort the radio cards, pigtails, cables, etc before ever being 
deployed because the manufacturer does not not to mention the cost in 
returning them.

In most environments, the engineer at the manufacturer determines an 
acceptable tolerance range of the components used to create an item that 
will perform at the specs. they sell them under, someone is not doing their 
job in quality to ensure that the products shipping out are in these 
tolerances.

I would like to ask our distributors who are on this list to take the time 
to discuss these issues with the manufacturers and I'm sure this will 
improve, in the meantime buy a meter and order extras!!!

Josh

--
NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com


-- Original Message ---
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:34:34 -0700
Subject: Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

 Mac,
 
 I have to step in here and say that Frank was NOT so nice and kind 
 whenI first reported this issue LAST week. In fact, he basically 
 said wedidn't know what we were talking about and asked how we 
 tested them.Now that everyone else is seeing the problem, he has 
 come forward andalso sent me a return UPS label.
 
 We are using SR5 cards for the AP's. They have been rock solid on 
 manyof our point to point links for several years, so we are going 
 to usethose on all of our AP's.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mac Dearman wrote:I just finished testing these radios and 50% of 
 them were bad. One was DOA and the others were down anywhere from -
 10db rx to -20db on the Tx side. One was bad on both sides.
 
 What are we going to turn to for replacement? I have 3 new towers dressed
 out needing nothing but RADIOS I guess the old faithful CM9 will 
 work since it runs about half of my network now in 5.xGHz.
 
 I must add that Frank Keeney (Pasadena Networks) has already sent me 
 a return shipping label for the bad radios!! www.wlanparts.com is on 
 the ball with GREAT customer service!!
 
 THANKS FRANK! And thanks for the great pricing too!! You have earned 
 a regular customer here today!! (that's me)
 
 Mac
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM 
 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES
 
 Mac,
 
 The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad.
 The TX power was down 20db.
 
 We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached
 and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal
 section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the
 other. :(
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mac Dearman wrote:
  Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test
 their
 radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name
 and
 price?
 
 Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all
 kinds of
 weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other
 person
 this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I
 have)
 even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my
 supplier since
 they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier
 will
 gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though
 I know
 they are defective) I would love to be able to test them.
 
 Thanks folks,
 Mac
 
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Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

2008-03-07 Thread Tom Sharples
Good points.  We have a stack of rejected radios and other parts sitting in 
out stockroom. The other day I asked one of our guys to arrange for RMA's. 
With all the rigmarole, emails. faxes, and paperwork, it took him the better 
part of a week- definitely not worth the trouble.

Part of the problem, in my opinion, is the continuing race to the bottom 
wrt the price ISP's are willing to pay for modular radios, pigtails, power 
supplies, etc. Add to this the perception that the greatest rated output 
power at the lowest price is necessarily the best buy, and you've got all 
the elements for equipment that may work on the bench, but often won't, once 
you've hauled it up the tower and installed it. Years ago we saw a lot of 
this kind of thing in our products- so we bought about $25K worth of Eaton 
and HP test equipment, started testing 100% of everything after a 48-hour 
burn including modular radios  pigtails, tested again downrange (with 
sustained high-bandwidth data), and raised our prices dramatically. Small 
ISPs (which were our main market) wouldn't pay the higher prices. Most of 
our customers now are in the video surveillance industry and I'm happy to 
say field failures are a real rarity for us.

I think if you're going to build your own equipment you have to set up a 
professional and rigorous testing environment. I do believe the 
manufacturers of modular radios, for the most part, are interested in 
quality too - but they are being forced to build to a price first.

Tom Sharples
Qorvus Systems, Inc.
http://www.qorvus.com


- Original Message - 
From: Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES


I have also seen problems with the R52H cards and power output as many of
 you have noticed. I have also seen signal loss problems with pigtails and 
 n-
 type cables lately which brings me to the point I want to make.

 What has happened to quality control?

 In my humble opinion the manufacturer should test these products before 
 ever
 shipping to the distributor/vendor as they are clearly manufacturer 
 defects.
 I'm sure Pasadena, Wisp-router, etc. would not sell faulty products had 
 they
 known, and it is not up to them to test every card or cable before they
 ship, they rely on the manufacturer to provide a quality product. I'm
 somewhat familiar with the manufacturing industry and yes, I agree with
 those of you who will say it's too costly to test every single item and if
 the manufacturer had to absorb that cost it would only be passed on to us
 consumers resulting in higher priced gear, and none of us want that and we
 should not have pay a few extra bucks per unit to ensure proper operation 
 so
 we're not wasting man hours on testing, climbing a tower or making a truck
 roll for a second time due to . It is very dissapointing and costly to 
 have
 to test and sort the radio cards, pigtails, cables, etc before ever being
 deployed because the manufacturer does not not to mention the cost in
 returning them.

 In most environments, the engineer at the manufacturer determines an
 acceptable tolerance range of the components used to create an item that
 will perform at the specs. they sell them under, someone is not doing 
 their
 job in quality to ensure that the products shipping out are in these
 tolerances.

 I would like to ask our distributors who are on this list to take the time
 to discuss these issues with the manufacturers and I'm sure this will
 improve, in the meantime buy a meter and order extras!!!

 Josh

 --
 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com


 -- Original Message ---
 From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:34:34 -0700
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES

 Mac,

 I have to step in here and say that Frank was NOT so nice and kind
 whenI first reported this issue LAST week. In fact, he basically
 said wedidn't know what we were talking about and asked how we
 tested them.Now that everyone else is seeing the problem, he has
 come forward andalso sent me a return UPS label.

 We are using SR5 cards for the AP's. They have been rock solid on
 manyof our point to point links for several years, so we are going
 to usethose on all of our AP's.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mac Dearman wrote:I just finished testing these radios and 50% of
 them were bad. One was DOA and the others were down anywhere from -
 10db rx to -20db on the Tx side. One was bad on both sides.

 What are we going to turn to for replacement? I have 3 new towers dressed
 out needing nothing but RADIOS I guess the old faithful CM9 will
 work since it runs about half of my network now in 5.xGHz.

 I must add that Frank Keeney (Pasadena Networks) has already sent me
 a return shipping label for the bad radios!! www.wlanparts.com is on
 the ball with GREAT customer service!!

 THANKS FRANK! And thanks for the great pricing