[WISPA] Antenna

2008-03-20 Thread Larry A Weidig
Has anybody ever seen part of an antenna fail.  We have a 3
sector site and it seems like about 60 degrees of one of the antennas is
failing based on plotting customer sites.  Signal to noise in their
section have dropped about 10dB (it is a 15dBi antenna), yet other
customers on the same antenna are not seeing any drop.  This is VL so we
do not really get a real RSSI unfortunately, though I had thought
Patrick told us we were going to get this.  Thanks! 

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Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only!

2008-03-20 Thread Mac Dearman
All you guys with fancy spancy binders. I carry a pint of Black label Jack
Daniels in my back pocket (feels nice in there) and a tanker for refills in
the hotel room! - --  ahhh memories!!!

Cliff - you ought to be ashamed making these guys think you actually have a
binder like that - -I know where you are from and I know you don't even put
your drinks in a brown paper bag (like good Baptist does)(no comments from
Harnish or Broadwick), but that you actually drink from the neck!!  :-)

Mac



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 I personally have a purple CR binder.er uh pouch!
 
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 I suggest we test this Red Binder out at ISPCON in Chicago. Who is up
 to
 the challenge?
 
 Muhahaa,
 
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 service
  problems, or any kind of problem, please come and get the red binder
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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2008-03-20 Thread Mac Dearman
I agree with Chuck - - the ability to sit down and converse with others in
the industry is worth the $700.00 alone. I learn more from sitting and
talking with other operators than anything else. The sharing of ideas (and
drinks) of the way others do things has been a great investment of time for
us. The class room time is great too and I know we will have some really
good sessions at this ISPCON. There are experienced and knowledgeable people
slated to speak who I really respect - - I look forward to the trip!

Mac



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 Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
 
 Brian,
 
 I think it is worth every penny to go at least once a year if you
 count the business ideas and interchange you get when meeting some of
 your fellow owners, even aside from the value of the educational
 sessions. There's stuff that gets discussed that just doesn't come up
 in email, or doesn't come up in the same way in email. It's made more
 than a $700 difference for me in my business. It's also amazing how
 nice a lot of these folks are when you get to meet them in person.
 
 I think you can just do the show floor (which is free or close to
 free iirc), but you're likely to miss a lot not being in sessions
 with most everyone else since many conversations are sparked by the
 topics at hand or between sessions. But going and missing he sessions
 is better than not going at all IMHO.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 
  Holy crap!  I just went to ispcon.com  to check out how much it
  costs.  It's $700.  Does that even come close to being worth it?
  Who is going?
 
  Brian
 
  Mike Hammett wrote:
 
  I've only registered for the exhibit floor, but I'll be there for
  whatever's free! haha, maybe I'll have money later this year to
  start getting memberships. There will be two of us. --
  Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
  - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List'
  wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List'
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06,
  2008 6:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON
 
  Everyone, HYPERLINK http://www.ispcon.com/ISPCON is rapidly
  approaching even though winter seems to keep coming. WISPA is
  planning a WISPA Powered track with a full slate of speakers at
  this event. This is one of two Wireless tracks at ISPCON. WISPA
  will also be holding our WISPA Reception on May 13th at 6:30 pm.
  This event will be sponsored by HYPERLINK http://
  www.imagestream.com/Imagestream and HYPERLINK http://
  www.powercode.com/Powercode. We are also planning a WISPA Jam
  Session this year and will invite attendees who are musically
  talented to bring their instruments and play to everyone's
  enjoyment. This event will be sponsored by HYPERLINK http://
  www.mikrotik.com/Mikrotik. Being in Chicago this spring, we
  expect a very good turnout of vendors and operators. We are
  planning accordingly as last fall's reception had an overflow of
  attendance into the hallway. We are asking for a larger room this
  time to accommodate a larger expected crowd given the more
  centrally located venue of Chicago. I will be accepting WISPA
  Shirt orders again this year. I plan on making the order on April
  20th and need to have all orders in by April 15th. Please send me
  your shirt size, color and number of shirts by this date. These
  will be a nice button down dual blend shirt with the WISPA logo
  embroidered. I have considered adding ISPCON Chicago 2008 below
  the logo if enough people desire it, so let me know. Assuming
  there have been no price increases, I anticipate the cost of the
  shirts will be $42 picked up at the show or $47 if shipped to
  your location. We will hold a raffle again this year and I have
  asked vendors to consider donating door prizes for this event at
  our reception. We hope many of you will consider attending this
  spring as we feel you will definitely get your money's worth. I
  would like to get an idea of how many WISPA readers and members
  will be in attendance, so please RSVP ASAP so that we can begin
  to get an idea on the head count planning on attending. Please
  let me know how many people from your company will be there. Last
  fall, many vendors donated some very nice door prizes including
  HYPERLINK http://www.alvarion.com/Alvarion with a Full B100
  link listing at $7990. Many thanks to all the vendors who
  participated last fall and to Patrick Leary and Alvarion for
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

2008-03-20 Thread John Valenti
Does this mean our 477 forms are going to be more complicated?
Will we need to figure out the correct census tract for each of our  
customers?

And I looked up the tract that I live in (quickly, at http:// 
factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet ). It seems to be  
tract #314.01, about 10 miles across by 5 miles high. I don't see  
that as more accurate than zip code.

Not meaning to criticize this change/improvement.  Just looking for  
more details.
-John


On March 19, at 10:11 PM March 19, George Rogato wrote:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080319/tc_pcworld/ 
 143619;_ylt=Arm6Nh.9uPFRIzMCaVig6nMjtBAF

 The new plan would measure broadband availability by Census tract, a
 geographic area that's typically significantly smaller than a Zip  
 Code.
 And the agency will break out five speed tiers in its upcoming  
 broadband
 reports, the lowest tier being 200K bps to 768K bps and the fastest  
 tier
 more than 6M bps.

 --

 At least they are making an effort




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

2008-03-20 Thread Rick Harnish
John,

I just pulled that off the FCC Newsletter today.  You know as much as I do
at this time.  I thought everyone would be interested in knowing what is
probably coming.  

Rick

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Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

Does this mean our 477 forms are going to be more complicated?
Will we need to figure out the correct census tract for each of our  
customers?

And I looked up the tract that I live in (quickly, at http:// 
factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet ). It seems to be  
tract #314.01, about 10 miles across by 5 miles high. I don't see  
that as more accurate than zip code.

Not meaning to criticize this change/improvement.  Just looking for  
more details.
-John


On March 19, at 10:11 PM March 19, George Rogato wrote:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080319/tc_pcworld/ 
 143619;_ylt=Arm6Nh.9uPFRIzMCaVig6nMjtBAF

 The new plan would measure broadband availability by Census tract, a
 geographic area that's typically significantly smaller than a Zip  
 Code.
 And the agency will break out five speed tiers in its upcoming  
 broadband
 reports, the lowest tier being 200K bps to 768K bps and the fastest  
 tier
 more than 6M bps.

 --

 At least they are making an effort





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Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS

2008-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't know to what extent, but at least some of MT's routing previously 
was open source based, but I believe in 3.0, the open source parts were 
replaced by Mikrotik coded parts.


--
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 Butch,

 I agree the MT graphical interface for configuring BGP, OSPF, and stuff, 
 is
 pretty nice.

 Can you tell us more about MT's BGP. Is it Quagga, GateD, or their Own?

 There had been reports that in the past, BGP was buggy on MT, but NOT 
 buggy
 anymore with more recent V3 code.
 I was just wondering because I was wondering about compatibilty with other
 third party BGP implementations used by upstreams using different 
 platforms.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to
 star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same
 thing.

 Dennis Burgess
 Mikrotik Certified Consultant
 www.linktechs.net



 George Rogato wrote:
 Ok
 What about Butch?
 Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a
 router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see
 Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well.

 Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as
 long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as
 star-os.

 It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex uses
 two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a
 difference it is between n stream.






 David E. Smith wrote:

 Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask
 you
 this.
 What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena?

 In terms of just routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly
 comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network
 because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or 
 that
 StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based
 mainly
 upon StarOS 2.x.

 * Nstreme Dual, a proprietary extension that would be great for busy
 backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one
 dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) I've
 never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty...
 * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much 
 every
 type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by
 comparison)
 * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x
 releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS
 * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability
 * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH
 interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite
 nice)

 Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal
 preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; might
 as
 well get the one with which you're more familiar.

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS

2008-03-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm not apposed to a software manufacturers writing their own code.
Ultimately it empowers them to make possitive change.
The question is.. What's been done to verify compatibilty and reliabilty of 
it?
Is the user going to be the guinea pig?
Even Zebra, not maintained for 5 years has a huge historical record behind 
it, to be predictable at deployment.
As more end users start using it, this would take care of itself over time.
Unless MT conducted studies on compatibility themselves, and published 
results.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


I don't know to what extent, but at least some of MT's routing previously
 was open source based, but I believe in 3.0, the open source parts were
 replaced by Mikrotik coded parts.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 Butch,

 I agree the MT graphical interface for configuring BGP, OSPF, and stuff,
 is
 pretty nice.

 Can you tell us more about MT's BGP. Is it Quagga, GateD, or their Own?

 There had been reports that in the past, BGP was buggy on MT, but NOT
 buggy
 anymore with more recent V3 code.
 I was just wondering because I was wondering about compatibilty with 
 other
 third party BGP implementations used by upstreams using different
 platforms.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to
 star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same
 thing.

 Dennis Burgess
 Mikrotik Certified Consultant
 www.linktechs.net



 George Rogato wrote:
 Ok
 What about Butch?
 Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a
 router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see
 Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well.

 Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as
 long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as
 star-os.

 It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex 
 uses
 two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a
 difference it is between n stream.






 David E. Smith wrote:

 Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask
 you
 this.
 What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena?

 In terms of just routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly
 comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network
 because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or
 that
 StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based
 mainly
 upon StarOS 2.x.

 * Nstreme Dual, a proprietary extension that would be great for busy
 backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one
 dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) 
 I've
 never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty...
 * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much
 every
 type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by
 comparison)
 * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x
 releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS
 * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability
 * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH
 interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite
 nice)

 Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal
 preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; 
 might
 as
 well get the one with which you're more familiar.

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

2008-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet?_lang=en_programYear=50_treeId=420

That's a better address, I hope.  Go to the FactFinder site and click on the 
search address link on the left side.

I'm in tract 15.  There appears to be at least 4 tracts in my zip code, 
maybe 8.

I currently file 477, but they better provide a better solution than the 
FactFinder site if they expect us to do this.  I don't have that many 
customers, but I refuse to look this up for each customer this way.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan


 Does this mean our 477 forms are going to be more complicated?
 Will we need to figure out the correct census tract for each of our
 customers?

 And I looked up the tract that I live in (quickly, at http://
 factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet ). It seems to be
 tract #314.01, about 10 miles across by 5 miles high. I don't see
 that as more accurate than zip code.

 Not meaning to criticize this change/improvement.  Just looking for
 more details.
 -John


 On March 19, at 10:11 PM March 19, George Rogato wrote:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080319/tc_pcworld/
 143619;_ylt=Arm6Nh.9uPFRIzMCaVig6nMjtBAF

 The new plan would measure broadband availability by Census tract, a
 geographic area that's typically significantly smaller than a Zip
 Code.
 And the agency will break out five speed tiers in its upcoming
 broadband
 reports, the lowest tier being 200K bps to 768K bps and the fastest
 tier
 more than 6M bps.

 --

 At least they are making an effort



 
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Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS

2008-03-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, What I'd be more interested in is...

Why did they make the decission to build there own? When there was something 
already out there satisfactory that could be used?
What problems did they have with the common Open source versions, that 
justified a huge development effort to rebuild from scratch their own?
That information could actually strengthen the reason why someone would want 
to use MT instead, as a benefit, if it were disclosed.
What I'd like to see is Whitepapers on what their proprieary versions 
provided that the others didn't.

I guess they can add that to the 10,000 other tasks probably already on 
their list :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


I don't know to what extent, but at least some of MT's routing previously
 was open source based, but I believe in 3.0, the open source parts were
 replaced by Mikrotik coded parts.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 Butch,

 I agree the MT graphical interface for configuring BGP, OSPF, and stuff,
 is
 pretty nice.

 Can you tell us more about MT's BGP. Is it Quagga, GateD, or their Own?

 There had been reports that in the past, BGP was buggy on MT, but NOT
 buggy
 anymore with more recent V3 code.
 I was just wondering because I was wondering about compatibilty with 
 other
 third party BGP implementations used by upstreams using different
 platforms.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS


 MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to
 star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same
 thing.

 Dennis Burgess
 Mikrotik Certified Consultant
 www.linktechs.net



 George Rogato wrote:
 Ok
 What about Butch?
 Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a
 router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see
 Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well.

 Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as
 long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as
 star-os.

 It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex 
 uses
 two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a
 difference it is between n stream.






 David E. Smith wrote:

 Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask
 you
 this.
 What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena?

 In terms of just routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly
 comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network
 because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or
 that
 StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based
 mainly
 upon StarOS 2.x.

 * Nstreme Dual, a proprietary extension that would be great for busy
 backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one
 dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) 
 I've
 never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty...
 * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much
 every
 type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by
 comparison)
 * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x
 releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS
 * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability
 * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH
 interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite
 nice)

 Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal
 preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; 
 might
 as
 well get the one with which you're more familiar.

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

2008-03-20 Thread Brian Webster
If this gets to be a big problem I can come up with an easy solution to
batch process your customer list. I would do this for WISPA Paid members so
this would be another good reason to join.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan


http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet?_lang=en_programY
ear=50_treeId=420

That's a better address, I hope.  Go to the FactFinder site and click on the
search address link on the left side.

I'm in tract 15.  There appears to be at least 4 tracts in my zip code,
maybe 8.

I currently file 477, but they better provide a better solution than the
FactFinder site if they expect us to do this.  I don't have that many
customers, but I refuse to look this up for each customer this way.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan


 Does this mean our 477 forms are going to be more complicated?
 Will we need to figure out the correct census tract for each of our
 customers?

 And I looked up the tract that I live in (quickly, at http://
 factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet ). It seems to be
 tract #314.01, about 10 miles across by 5 miles high. I don't see
 that as more accurate than zip code.

 Not meaning to criticize this change/improvement.  Just looking for
 more details.
 -John


 On March 19, at 10:11 PM March 19, George Rogato wrote:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080319/tc_pcworld/
 143619;_ylt=Arm6Nh.9uPFRIzMCaVig6nMjtBAF

 The new plan would measure broadband availability by Census tract, a
 geographic area that's typically significantly smaller than a Zip
 Code.
 And the agency will break out five speed tiers in its upcoming
 broadband
 reports, the lowest tier being 200K bps to 768K bps and the fastest
 tier
 more than 6M bps.

 --

 At least they are making an effort



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Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan

2008-03-20 Thread John Scrivner
Things like this are a great way to show off what you can and will do for
WISPs.
Thank you Brian.
John Scrivner


On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If this gets to be a big problem I can come up with an easy solution to
 batch process your customer list. I would do this for WISPA Paid members
 so
 this would be another good reason to join.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:44 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan



 http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet?_lang=en_programY
 ear=50_treeId=420http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet?_lang=en_programYear=50_treeId=420

 That's a better address, I hope.  Go to the FactFinder site and click on
 the
 search address link on the left side.

 I'm in tract 15.  There appears to be at least 4 tracts in my zip code,
 maybe 8.

 I currently file 477, but they better provide a better solution than the
 FactFinder site if they expect us to do this.  I don't have that many
 customers, but I refuse to look this up for each customer this way.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message -
 From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Approves New Broadband Mapping Plan


  Does this mean our 477 forms are going to be more complicated?
  Will we need to figure out the correct census tract for each of our
  customers?
 
  And I looked up the tract that I live in (quickly, at http://
  factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AGSGeoAddressServlet ). It seems to be
  tract #314.01, about 10 miles across by 5 miles high. I don't see
  that as more accurate than zip code.
 
  Not meaning to criticize this change/improvement.  Just looking for
  more details.
  -John
 
 
  On March 19, at 10:11 PM March 19, George Rogato wrote:
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080319/tc_pcworld/
  143619;_ylt=Arm6Nh.9uPFRIzMCaVig6nMjtBAF
 
  The new plan would measure broadband availability by Census tract, a
  geographic area that's typically significantly smaller than a Zip
  Code.
  And the agency will break out five speed tiers in its upcoming
  broadband
  reports, the lowest tier being 200K bps to 768K bps and the fastest
  tier
  more than 6M bps.
 
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