[WISPA] Motivational
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps for downloading, or receiving, files. Uploading, or sending, files will be at up to 5 Mbps. The monthly $150 price is available only to residential customers; small businesses will have to pay $200 for a package that includes additional technical support and security software. The existing high-end tier costs $53. Maximum upload speeds for those customers will automatically increase to 2 Mbps, more than doubling the current limits. Downloads will remain at up to 8 Mbps. Maximum upload speeds for the basic, $43 tier will nearly triple to 1 Mbps, while downloads will remain capped at 6 Mbps. Cablevision Systems Corp. already offers a 50 Mbps maximum download service — with 50 Mbps maximum uploads — for about $200 a month but does not actively market it. Cablevision's fastest advertised service costs up to $65 for maximum downloads of 30 Mbps downloads and uploads of 5 Mbps. To offer the new tier, Comcast is taking advantage of a technology called DOCSIS 3.0, which allows service providers to use four TV channels rather than just one to send data over the cables. The industry group CableLabs is nearing certification of DOCSIS 3.0 modems. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_hi_te/comcast_faster_internet;_ylt=Agz9F6XU258ZFxgyO4WbYLYjtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. Not per custommer rather for the entire node. Currently one channel is shared among many. In future 4 will be shared among many. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Me thinks it would be a very cold day in that they would give you more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something like BGP. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
It wouldn't be 4 channels per customer... 4 channels per port on the CMTS. Depending on physical trunkline layout, this can be hundreds of subscribers. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps for downloading, or receiving, files. Uploading, or sending, files will be at up to 5 Mbps. The monthly $150 price is available only to residential customers; small businesses will have to pay $200 for a package that includes additional technical support and security software. The existing high-end tier costs $53. Maximum upload speeds for those customers will automatically increase to 2 Mbps, more than doubling the current limits. Downloads will remain at up to 8 Mbps. Maximum upload speeds for the basic, $43 tier will nearly triple to 1 Mbps, while downloads will remain capped at 6 Mbps. Cablevision Systems Corp. already offers a 50 Mbps maximum download service — with 50 Mbps maximum uploads — for about $200 a month but does not actively market it. Cablevision's fastest advertised service costs up to $65 for maximum downloads of 30 Mbps downloads and uploads of 5 Mbps. To offer the new tier, Comcast is taking advantage of a technology called DOCSIS 3.0, which allows service providers to use four TV channels rather than just one to send data over the cables. The industry group CableLabs is nearing certification of DOCSIS 3.0 modems. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_hi_te/comcast_faster_internet;_ylt=Agz9F6XU258ZFxgyO4WbYLYjtBAF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:15 -0500, Matt wrote: Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. Not per custommer rather for the entire node. Currently one channel is shared among many. In future 4 will be shared among many. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Me thinks it would be a very cold day in that they would give you more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something like BGP. Not to mention their AUP would almost definitely disallow reselling, they could disconnect you at a moments notice for that violation. Your $1000 10 meg connection is dedicated bandwidth, vs shared bandwidth from Comcast. And would you really want your customers depending on Comcast? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Travis Johnson wrote: Just want to point out a couple things... up to 50 Mbps means anywhere from 0 to 50... and The local cable company has automatic throttling even on downloads. One customer said he was downloading a video driver (150MB file) and it started at 3Mbps and by the end was down to 256k. His connection stayed at 256k for about another 2 hours. They are capping people even when they say up to xx speeds. Travis Microserv I don't have any resi or even small business customers that want to pay 150.00 per month for their internet. Noticed though that cablevision is doing 30 right now for 65.00 per month. Thats hard to beat from a consumers point of view. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Cable companies already offer BGP fiber connections to anyone (including other operators). Comcast and Charter are two that I know off the top of my head that do. Comcast installs fiber to your prem and is $1000 for 5 megs, up to a full GigE. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. Not per custommer rather for the entire node. Currently one channel is shared among many. In future 4 will be shared among many. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Me thinks it would be a very cold day in that they would give you more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something like BGP. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Offering these high speeds at a high price is the first step in catching up with other parts of the world. Bad for those that compete with Comcast and Cablevision, but good for the consumer. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Travis Johnson wrote: Just want to point out a couple things... up to 50 Mbps means anywhere from 0 to 50... and The local cable company has automatic throttling even on downloads. One customer said he was downloading a video driver (150MB file) and it started at 3Mbps and by the end was down to 256k. His connection stayed at 256k for about another 2 hours. They are capping people even when they say up to xx speeds. Travis Microserv I don't have any resi or even small business customers that want to pay 150.00 per month for their internet. Noticed though that cablevision is doing 30 right now for 65.00 per month. Thats hard to beat from a consumers point of view. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Feasibility of a non-profit WISP
Hi all- I'm finishing up a grant proposal to build a wireless network for a smallish (2 sq. mile) neighborhood. My only real experience is having read this mailing list for a year or so, and independently researching via the internet, so I'm hoping some of you veterans can offer some insight before I get in too deep! The basic, mile-high premise is to build a 2.4ghz mesh network, using Linux, or at least Open Source Software, wherever possible. I'm pretty comfy with Linux, and it seems like the route a non-profit should take. Since the idea is to be providing access not only to locals, but also to people visiting (it's a mixed commercial/residential area), sticking to the 802.11b/g protocol seems like a good way to make sure strangers can get on with whatever gear they've already got. Specifically, I'm looking at gear that would run olsrd (http://olsr.org); more specifically, demarctech.com's RWR HPG units (https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-15a.htm). The business model is to offer capped speeds for free, and uncapped speeds to subscribers. So, presumably I'm going to need to do some traffic shaping. the RWR unit lists both OLSRD Mesh and Bi-Directional Traffic Shaping with QoS (VoIP) via IP or MAC , so it would seem to be ideal! But how do those features play together? Can I assume that the unit is running some sort of *nix with a shell? More importantly, am I going to be able to script something that will link the traffic shaper with a database of MAC Addresses? (Or script something to assign IP address subgroups based on MAC!) Anybody ever done this before, or have a better solution for a tiered network? I'm estimating that we'll have 100 users tops. A while back I looked up ratios and figured that a T1 would probably be enough bandwidth for something that size, but what else do I need in my NOC? Can I get by with a Linux box, or do I need a heavy-duty router? I suppose a lot of this is best answered by the vendor, but it's nice to hear from someone who isn't simultaneously trying to sell you something. Any criticisms/anecdotes/advice are greatly appreciated! Who's going to sue me and for what?! Cheers, Japhy Benton Harbor, MI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Feasibility of a non-profit WISP
My question for you is why? 100 users are enough to be a headache and use up all your free time but not enough to even pay you for your time or investment. Are you going to do email, DNS and authentication? Are you going to do DHCP? If not who/what is? Are you worried about calea? On average a single T1 should probably do it. If I was going to start up something small scale, I think I might try the NanoStation from Ubiquity Networks or some Linksys routers with external antennas or M'tik. I don't know why you want to bother with mesh if your customers are not mobile. Linksys could be your DHCP server and you could backhaul with NanoStations to a switch connected to a DSL line. But the DSL provider will most likely have an AUP that speaks to you reselling. Are you planning to get a dedicated T1 and a C block and get square with ARIN etc etc. Tons of things to consider and I am not even a NOC guy. Sounds like lots of pain and no pleasure. - Original Message - From: Japhy Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Feasibility of a non-profit WISP Hi all- I'm finishing up a grant proposal to build a wireless network for a smallish (2 sq. mile) neighborhood. My only real experience is having read this mailing list for a year or so, and independently researching via the internet, so I'm hoping some of you veterans can offer some insight before I get in too deep! The basic, mile-high premise is to build a 2.4ghz mesh network, using Linux, or at least Open Source Software, wherever possible. I'm pretty comfy with Linux, and it seems like the route a non-profit should take. Since the idea is to be providing access not only to locals, but also to people visiting (it's a mixed commercial/residential area), sticking to the 802.11b/g protocol seems like a good way to make sure strangers can get on with whatever gear they've already got. Specifically, I'm looking at gear that would run olsrd (http://olsr.org); more specifically, demarctech.com's RWR HPG units (https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-15a.htm). The business model is to offer capped speeds for free, and uncapped speeds to subscribers. So, presumably I'm going to need to do some traffic shaping. the RWR unit lists both OLSRD Mesh and Bi-Directional Traffic Shaping with QoS (VoIP) via IP or MAC , so it would seem to be ideal! But how do those features play together? Can I assume that the unit is running some sort of *nix with a shell? More importantly, am I going to be able to script something that will link the traffic shaper with a database of MAC Addresses? (Or script something to assign IP address subgroups based on MAC!) Anybody ever done this before, or have a better solution for a tiered network? I'm estimating that we'll have 100 users tops. A while back I looked up ratios and figured that a T1 would probably be enough bandwidth for something that size, but what else do I need in my NOC? Can I get by with a Linux box, or do I need a heavy-duty router? I suppose a lot of this is best answered by the vendor, but it's nice to hear from someone who isn't simultaneously trying to sell you something. Any criticisms/anecdotes/advice are greatly appreciated! Who's going to sue me and for what?! Cheers, Japhy Benton Harbor, MI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
Do you have one of those connections at your office? If not, get one. Then run speed tests and latency tests and post the results on your homepage. That's what we do, and it works great. Our 1Mbps service was 47% faster than CableOne's 3Mbps service... plus our upload is 1Mbps compared with 256k. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Just want to point out a couple things... "up to 50 Mbps" means anywhere from 0 to 50... and The local cable company has automatic throttling even on downloads. One customer said he was downloading a video driver (150MB file) and it started at 3Mbps and by the end was down to 256k. His connection stayed at 256k for about another 2 hours. They are capping people even when they say "up to xx" speeds. Travis Microserv I don't have any resi or even small business customers that want to pay 150.00 per month for their internet. Noticed though that cablevision is doing 30 right now for 65.00 per month. Thats hard to beat from a consumers point of view. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
CableOne in my area does NOT offer service to me. I called and asked... they specifically said "not to you". Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Cable companies already offer BGP fiber connections to anyone (including other operators). Comcast and Charter are two that I know off the top of my head that do. Comcast installs fiber to your prem and is $1000 for 5 megs, up to a full GigE. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. Not per custommer rather for the entire node. Currently one channel is shared among many. In future 4 will be shared among many. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Me thinks it would be a very cold day in that they would give you more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something like BGP. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
