Re: [WISPA] assigning different users different gateways

2008-05-14 Thread Rogelio
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can do this with RADIUS attributes. Thanks, this helps point me in the right direction. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL, yeah me too. I noticed that after I sent it. I figured oh well, too late now. sorry bout that. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Real good actual

Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Leary
...two grizzled veterans making a rookie mistake...Cool picture though, at least if you are a wonk like Marlon and I (and most of you here). Interesting too since the concept of advanced diversity -- in time, space and polarity is so alien to typical unlicensed. Patrick -Original

Re: [WISPA] wifi heat maps

2008-05-14 Thread Russell Tester
Heya - try covera zone, its not cheap tho. www.celtrio.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 5:59 p.m. To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wifi heat maps I would like to make wifi heat maps,

[WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Steve
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Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Mike Hammett
So there's 4 sets of electronics and two dual polarity antenna per sector? What size of tower is that? It looks pretty good sized. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
Damn, there goes any hope for free water service too... grin Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go

Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Leary
Exactly, yes. Not sure how big the tower is Mike. Lots of weight to this rig for sure though. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Sascha Meinrath
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:43:28 -0500 From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Damn, there goes any hope for free water service too... grin Brad Don't forget, Philly

[WISPA] 2008 WISPA Board Election Announcement

2008-05-14 Thread Mac Dearman
The 2008 WISPA Board Election schedule has been set by the current Board of Directors. Any and all members who are interested in entering the election process for a seat on the board are encouraged to do so by going to http://nominations.wispa.org/ - make sure that you qualify for the

Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Ed Spoon - Computer Sales Services, Inc.
's OK - saved me from having to ask ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell Uggh. Sorry

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
Well, true on the original failed Muni-WiFi business model, but my comment was based on Mr. Huff's statement below. They can't even give it away! EarthLink CEO Rolla Huff said in a statement today. Unfortunately, our hope that we could transfer our network to a nonprofit organization that had

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-14 Thread reader
I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the census unit

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread George
I'm surprised that a for profit wisp didn't try to take over the network and rework it's structure and pricing model. How many times have we heard or thought, if we had the money. this is just as good, the equipment is there it just needs to have a ensible approach. Brad Belton wrote: Well,

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Webster
There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit of study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Travis Johnson
It's starting to look like the dot-bomb era again, only in the communications realm this time. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Well, true on the original failed Muni-WiFi business model, but my comment was based on Mr. Huff's statement below. They can't even give it away! EarthLink

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-14 Thread reader
Sigh. I am in an industry filled with jellyfish. It is unbelievably depressing. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
The story even gets better here: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fiw-earthlink14-2008may14,0,2022464.story Give the network away along with $1M in CASH and still no takers! Haha...unbelievable...well not really. This proves there are some business plans that are so bad you can't even PAY

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread Steve Barnes
I agree, I would also like to know the position of WISPA. It looks like another great way for some company to make extra income off of my already short bottom line. The current reporting is a pain but can be completed in an hour or so. I am not privileged to have GIS software and data setting

Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting

2008-05-14 Thread Joshua Rowe
Travis, If they are using Cisco Routers you can use ManageEngine NetFlow Analyzer. It provides source and destination info along with traffic info (utilization, speed, packets, volume, etc.) There is nothing to change on the client or server side, other than configure the router to send the info.

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread reader
Im going to repost a response I made privately, leaving off the other person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me lately. == Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should have to conduct even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to result

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
I guess a benefit I can see (out west here) is that we constantly hear of the need for government to step in and provide broadband because of the lack of such. If there was a comprehensive coverage map, projects like UTOPIA, iProvo and Philladelphia/Earthlink might not ever launch. They might

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread reader
I kinda think that the news about municipal operatoins would provide reasonable evidence why public provision of such is is SUCH a bad idea... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General

[WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
Just curious to NAT or not to NAT, We have been operating with NATed addresses out to our customers on a 10.x.x.x private network, the trouble is more and more customers are wanting to use services that require a public IP, such as remote security camera monitoring, etc... we currently have

Re: [WISPA] Philadelphia's municipal WiFi network to go dark

2008-05-14 Thread David E. Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone tell me what the blazes these costs are? The metro-wi-fi setups I've seen (admittedly not many) have crazy utilities costs. Using something like Tropos gear (the stuff I'm most familiar with), you need one repeater every four square blocks or so. Each

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread David E. Smith
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: We have been operating with NATed addresses out to our customers on a 10.x.x.x private network, the trouble is more and more customers are wanting to use services that require a public IP, such as remote security camera monitoring, etc... we currently have been offering

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Travis Johnson
We have always offered a single public IP address to every customer (dial-up, DSL, wireless, fiber, etc.) and then we charge $5/mo for each extra IP. It makes life SO much easier to track down customers when law enforcement comes with a subpeona, because the customer's IP never changes. We

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed. There is no good reason not to give one public IP to each client. There are many reasons why it is a bad idea to NAT clients behind private IPs. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
So then, static or DHCP'd __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
I don't think there is anything wrong with DHCPing public IPs, but if we used DHCP we would reserve an IP for each client to insure the client always gets the same IP address. We own and manage a CPE router for every client, so this is really a non-issue for our network design. For those that

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Mike Hammett
PPPoE -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema So

[WISPA] Interesting information about Gmail

2008-05-14 Thread Cliff LeBoeuf
This is an interesting article if you have a gmail account... http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-more-from-your.ht ml Of course you all probably already knew about this trick as I am always the last to know... :) Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net

Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

2008-05-14 Thread Drew Lentz
Please send! That would be great :) Thanks Patrick! Hope all is well! -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Bryan Scott
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So then, static or DHCP'd We use DHCP for everyone, then hard code it in the dhcp config file for those who want to get the same one each time (i.e. static IP). As long as you can track who has what and when, it doesn't really matter. You'll need to know when the feds

Re: [WISPA] 60 miles (90 KM) P2MP with CPE on Vessels, possible?

2008-05-14 Thread Tom Sharples
Cool! Does that mean my Model 28 teletype has a future after all?? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2424647132102049544 Tom Sharples WA6HAS QCWA RTTY or AMTOR WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Webster
Steve, This data is not being reported by census tracts I believe it is supposed to be done to the census block or block group which is a much smaller area. I'll dig around for the free on line sources to see if there is a way to do this by anyone without having GIS software. If I dig

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Webster
Well based on your comments I can certainly understand your point of view and frustrations. I was just trying to help out and assist WISP's so they can easily comply with the new requirements. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-14 Thread David E. Smith
I can find absolutely no reason to think that ANY of us are going to benefit from this. The only people who could possibly benefit, would be the Qwest's and the Clearwires of the world, who have publicly financed expansion research done for them. If the collated data are made publicly

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread David E. Smith
PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Travis Johnson
And to take it one step further, I've never understood using DHCP for customers. It makes it 10x easier for a rogue client to get on your network if you run DHCP instead of just static. You don't have to maintain any logs, or worry about your DHCP server having problems, etc. It seems one step

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
If you have ever renumbered your entire network due to changing upstream providers or running out of IP, you will wish you had used DHCP everywhere. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:37 PM

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Brad Belton
I think it's fair to say that any ISP of size has in fact done this once if not twice. It's not the end of the world unless there was little planning done beforehand. I've experienced both. grin We do not use DHCP anywhere, but within the client LAN environment. However, I don't see where

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
MAC/modem cloning is a real problem for cable Internet companies. Modern DOCSIS 1.1 and above cable modems have MD5 hashing the firmware with the MAC but somehow the clones get stolen MAC addresses and there are successful thieves. Perhaps it's downgrading the firmware to DOCSIS 1.0 where it is

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Bryan Scott
Travis Johnson wrote: And to take it one step further, I've never understood using DHCP for customers. It makes it 10x easier for a rogue client to get on your network if you run DHCP instead of just static. You don't have to maintain any logs, or worry about your DHCP server having

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread Travis Johnson
We've renumbered our entire network once, when we got our own IP space. It took us about 30 days from start to finish... that was 6 years ago. Have never had an issue since then... but we have our own /18 block now... ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If you have ever renumbered

Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-14 Thread reader
There's a couple of nicely elegant options here... One is that you NAT only at your core point(s), and at that point you do a 1:1 IP translation. You can then choose who has direct IP connection and who doesn't at your core points, without any additional routing. For those who don't, you

[WISPA] questions regarding utilizing 4940 - 4990 MHz safety band

2008-05-14 Thread Rogelio
I have two questions regarding some 4.9 GHz radios I'm provisinging, both relating to how I provision channels for access and backhaul traffic. I have 5 sites with 2 cameras a piece. Each camera has a 3 Mbps streaming requirement. I'm told to use the 4.9 GHz safety band, as the city has (or will