Re: [WISPA] free optics / MRV's Terescope soln
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: It's pretty hard to beat plaintree. As for backup radios, use good switches with spanning tree and put in your own radios backup link. Interesting, I might try that. BelAir Networks' switched radio mesh uses RSTP (or something very similar) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Frank Muto wrote: Then you should be working with a reseller/distributor like us. Some of the services do require an annual fee, but none that require a minimum 3-year commitment. At 60k emails, plus using Exchange; you are at a whole different level of resources even with Barracuda, compared to the average service provider. Slightly off topic, but a friend of mine put in a Qmailtoaster box in front of his Exchange server and then made sure that his Exchange box only talked to the Qmailtoaster box. That was his ghetto-fabulous version of a Barracuda, and it seemed to work quite well and is/was insanely easy to set up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Travis Johnson wrote: We have been a Postini customer since their first year in business. Once you outsource that part of it, you wonder how you ever did it before. Right now it is probably saving us at least 10Mbps of bandwidth, which in our area is over $500 per month. We also charge customers $1 per email per month, and businesses pay per domain. So, we are making money on this service, and we don't have to even touch it most of the time (and we have hundreds of domains, including full school districts, etc.) and thousands of individual users. Ditto on Postini. It is truly the only spam killer I know of. Slightly off topic, but if I have a friend or associate who is heavily invested in Outlook and needs something quick and easy (and is willing to pay for it), I highly recommend Cloudmark. Sure, it's expensive and not that much more effective compared to other solns, but if it's not possible to rehaul their MTAs and redesign things on the network end, it's a godsend for certain c-level types. (One big problem with it is that it works so well for certain c-level types that they forget how bad the spam problem is for everyone else on the domain and the project soon loses priority) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent (IMO) first defense solution for those who are budget conscious and willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem. Their listserv is good, in my opinion. The people I've talked to there have been quite helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
When will we see your equipment? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike - You really need to read the full 802.22 spec :) There is A LOT more than just channel bonding that make 802.22 good. - 6Mhz is more than enough for all WISPs needs when it's used correctly, again (I know) not 802.11 - 3.65Mhz is just in the startup Wimax was first to hit the street but this will be changing. So Demarc will have a 3.65Ghz base unit and CPE with our own MAC base on top of the Atheros radio that takes full advantage of the 50Mhz. So the costs for the base and CPE will not be much higher than 2.4Ghz is now :) This also will help 900Mhz. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative 802.22 sounds good if the channel bonding makes it through to the end and is usable. THAT would be wonderful. If not, 6 MHz isn't going to get us very far in terms of delivering real throughput to any significant number of users. Price always comes into play and if we're looking at $10k APs and $800 CPE like we are for 3.65, again, that won't fly with a typical WISP. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE?? Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, these prices would not make scenes in either case. On top of this, cost of the equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy in these frequencies ranges. My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to say in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending on what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at it for the best WISP solutions for most of the country. Comments Welcome! :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any spectrum very efficiently. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for free access there. 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent (IMO) first defense solution for those who are budget conscious and willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem. Their listserv is good, in my opinion. The people I've talked to there have been quite helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
I couldn't find a page that had this spec spelled out, and I'm sure once I do see it, it'll be way too dry to keep my focus for more than 20 seconds. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike - You really need to read the full 802.22 spec :) There is A LOT more than just channel bonding that make 802.22 good. - 6Mhz is more than enough for all WISPs needs when it's used correctly, again (I know) not 802.11 - 3.65Mhz is just in the startup Wimax was first to hit the street but this will be changing. So Demarc will have a 3.65Ghz base unit and CPE with our own MAC base on top of the Atheros radio that takes full advantage of the 50Mhz. So the costs for the base and CPE will not be much higher than 2.4Ghz is now :) This also will help 900Mhz. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative 802.22 sounds good if the channel bonding makes it through to the end and is usable. THAT would be wonderful. If not, 6 MHz isn't going to get us very far in terms of delivering real throughput to any significant number of users. Price always comes into play and if we're looking at $10k APs and $800 CPE like we are for 3.65, again, that won't fly with a typical WISP. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE?? Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, these prices would not make scenes in either case. On top of this, cost of the equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy in these frequencies ranges. My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to say in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending on what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at it for the best WISP solutions for most of the country. Comments Welcome! :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any spectrum very efficiently. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for free access there. 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
We use the barracuda's and are gennerrally happy with the performance . We're running 500K plus thru a pair of 400's. We have had performance issues at times but if you pay for their instant replacement they'll swap out your hardware. What I find somewhat bogus is the 400 they sold us a couple years ago is not the same as what they are selling today. We just got a 400 replaced last week and the new unit came with 16G of memory and 10K drives. The old unit had a 1G of memory and slower drives and I'm sure much slower processor. In any case, if you really are strapped for cash, I would recommend checking out MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ . This software is highly configurable and works quuite well so your only cost would be hardware and your time to configure. If you are comfortable with Linux and the command line this would be a good option for you. We're using mailscanner for our outbound processing as well as inbound/outbound for our web hosting domains with good results. Eric - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent (IMO) first defense solution for those who are budget conscious and willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem. Their listserv is good, in my opinion. The people I've talked to there have been quite helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent (IMO) first defense solution for those who are budget conscious and willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem. Their listserv is good, in my opinion. The people I've talked to there have been quite helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ? Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare. Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus provider. We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat. It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini. Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about them. In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse. Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the customer, but also for the spammer/hacker. IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line enhances both services significantly. If offering mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu to business clients, it should be. There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your expertise. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ? Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare. Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus provider. We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat. It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini. Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about them. In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse. Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall?
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Cheap P3 700Mhz Dell, Install Debian with Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassassin, Razor, Dcc, Pyzor, Clamav, and a few choice others if you wish. Have it relay to your internal mail server, and have internal not receive any email except from Debian box. Make sure you have a way to transfer all legit email addresses to Debian box. Built this solution for less than $200, not yearly subscription, and it handles on average 60,000 emails a day. Want it to handle more? Build a bigger PC. I did all of this myself, and at the time I did not know jack about linux. I used an old version documentation of http://www.piratefish.org/ that was free at the time, they have a new version he will sell for about $70. I also bought No Starch, The Book Of Postfix. I had Postini and got rid of them. My problem was I hosted some domains that did not want their email filtered at all. I use Imail on the inside server because it interfaces to my billing software. For Postini to be effective, you have to filter ALL email to your inside email server and block ALL email to the inside server except from Postini servers. Postini also kept raising their prices every year when my contract came due. HTH, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:00 -0400 UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda. Thing is with a cuda you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become un-loyal and run away from you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution. Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not something that you want to mess with. I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are looking for something easy. If so, seriously consider doing the Postini thing like others have suggested. I would recommend several other managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini. Or...build your own solution! Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid http://www.qmailtoaster.org/ You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent (IMO) first defense solution for those who are budget conscious and willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem. Their listserv is good, in my opinion. The people I've talked to there have been quite helpful. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
Mike It is a bit too early to say right now, once the MAC is done we will have a better idea. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative When will we see your equipment? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike - You really need to read the full 802.22 spec :) There is A LOT more than just channel bonding that make 802.22 good. - 6Mhz is more than enough for all WISPs needs when it's used correctly, again (I know) not 802.11 - 3.65Mhz is just in the startup Wimax was first to hit the street but this will be changing. So Demarc will have a 3.65Ghz base unit and CPE with our own MAC base on top of the Atheros radio that takes full advantage of the 50Mhz. So the costs for the base and CPE will not be much higher than 2.4Ghz is now :) This also will help 900Mhz. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative 802.22 sounds good if the channel bonding makes it through to the end and is usable. THAT would be wonderful. If not, 6 MHz isn't going to get us very far in terms of delivering real throughput to any significant number of users. Price always comes into play and if we're looking at $10k APs and $800 CPE like we are for 3.65, again, that won't fly with a typical WISP. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE?? Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, these prices would not make scenes in either case. On top of this, cost of the equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy in these frequencies ranges. My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to say in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending on what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at it for the best WISP solutions for most of the country. Comments Welcome! :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any spectrum very efficiently. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
[WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?
A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors who support it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is every used. If its not, ditch it and go with the setup I mentioned earlier. There are many checks that can be done to verify a legit email before it ever leaves the sending email server to consume any bandwidth. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400 I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the customer, but also for the spammer/hacker. IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line enhances both services significantly. If offering mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu to business clients, it should be. There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your expertise. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ? Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare. Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus provider. We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat. It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini. Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about them. In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse. Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you can't configure it for crap. So back to the cuda. I tell you that I have turned off the use of the Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have figured that out before I gave my money to the cuda.
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Eric Merkel wrote: We use the barracuda's and are gennerrally happy with the performance . We're running 500K plus thru a pair of 400's. We have had performance issues at times but if you pay for their instant replacement they'll swap out your hardware. What I find somewhat bogus is the 400 they sold us a couple years ago is not the same as what they are selling today. We just got a 400 replaced last week and the new unit came with 16G of memory and 10K drives. The old unit had a 1G of memory and slower drives and I'm sure much slower processor. Pairing them up like that is what I've done. They run quite ok in that configuration. Expensive, but solid. I'm still guessing (on what little I know from the orginal poster) that a managed Postini solution is up his alley. In any case, if you really are strapped for cash, I would recommend checking out MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ . This software is highly configurable and works quuite well so your only cost would be hardware and your time to configure. If you are comfortable with Linux and the command line this would be a good option for you. We're using mailscanner for our outbound processing as well as inbound/outbound for our web hosting domains with good results. Some like mailscanner even better, as it allows you to check mail (if I remember right) with up to like a dozen AV scanners before it hits your MTA. Here is more on the AV settings http://wiki.mailscanner.info/doku.php?id=maq:index#anti-virus Their overall documentation is very good, IMO http://www.mailscanner.info/documentation.html While zen.spamhaus is one of the more conservative solutions, you might sometimes get some false positives. (I personally have no problems blocking *all* MTAs listed by SpamHaus) You'll probably have more success blocking per spam URIs. e.g. http://www.surbl.org/ Stay away from greylisting unless you're really wanting to get your hands dirty! I set that up a while ago and had some major problems with gmail email getting snagged. Eventually things sort themselves out, but in the interim, you will have a lot of really pissed customers! HTH! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Scottie Arnett wrote: Cheap P3 700Mhz Dell, Install Debian with Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassassin, Razor, Dcc, Pyzor, Clamav, and a few choice others if you wish. Have it relay to your internal mail server, and have internal not receive any email except from Debian box. Make sure you have a way to transfer all legit email addresses to Debian box. Built this solution for less than $200, not yearly subscription, and it handles on average 60,000 emails a day. Want it to handle more? Build a bigger PC. I did all of this myself, and at the time I did not know jack about linux. I used an old version documentation of http://www.piratefish.org/ that was free at the time, they have a new version he will sell for about $70. I also bought No Starch, The Book Of Postfix. Ditto on PirateFish. I got a cp a few years ago and was impressed with how Johnny clearly articulated things. Here is a list of features that setup includes: * Now using Ubuntu Linux Server 7.04 * Piratefish Anti-Spam Integration Examples to make integration easy on any network * Sender Policy Framework Support * Integrated Linux Firewall * Advanced Bayesian Filtering * Daily Activity Reports onSpam Blocking * Spam Black List Support * Configurable for Two-way Mail Relay * Image Spam Blocking Detection * An Anti-Spam Solution compatible with all Email servers * Step-by-Step Instructions, written specifically for users new to Linux and Spam Fighting * Integrated testing throughout configuration and building process * Postfix mail server software * MailScanner fraud detection software * SpamAssassin for extensive spam analysis * Integrated ClamAV anti-virus scanning * FuzzyOCR decoding of spam attached images * Integrated PDF scanning detects PDF spam advertisements (added 8/11/2007) * Support for all major anti-spam and anti-malware black listing services * Support for white-listing of trusted domains and senders * Multiple Domain Support , no user limits * Flexible and Secure Linux Operating System * Troubleshooting Linux Help Guide * Free online security and software updates provided by Ubuntu * Native Support for SMTP with TLS encryption * Email Technical Support * Secure Web Administration * 30 Day Money-Back Guarantee WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus, than inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections coming in, so the problem still exists. Frank - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is every used. If its not, ditch it and go with the setup I mentioned earlier. There are many checks that can be done to verify a legit email before it ever leaves the sending email server to consume any bandwidth. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400 I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the customer, but also for the spammer/hacker. IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line enhances both services significantly. If offering mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu to business clients, it should be. There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your expertise. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ? Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare. Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus provider. We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat. It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini. Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about them. In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse. Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda UPDATE I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is plug it in line as a bridge and hope that it does what you want cause you
Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?
We are looking into this now, it looks like it can all me done in the MAC/HAL the way the spec is done but it's still a wait and see. We are looking at ways to do more of a pre-802.11y, as long as it passes the FCC muster we are good. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors? A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors who support it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?
But that's the million dollar question. Will the FCC approve it if it is not 802.11y? I read somewhere that the FCC was waiting for 802.11y to be approved before authorizing equipment in the upper part of the 3.65 band. Otherwise, yes it is technically possible to implement this with atheros based on energy detection threshold. -Hal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:15:17 -0400 We are looking into this now, it looks like it can all me done in the MAC/HAL the way the spec is done but it's still a wait and see. We are looking at ways to do more of a pre-802.11y, as long as it passes the FCC muster we are good. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors? A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors who support it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3650 PtP equipment
I think we had a thread on this awhile back, maybe not, but is there anyone offering a 3650 PtP product? Is there enough interest in this to maybe prompt a manf. to get busy on this? For me, I need a move my backhauls out of the messy and noisy 5ghz and this would be ideal. I don't have any short term plans to start doing 3650 PtMP, and honestly probably won't for awhile - but that could change. Whatcha think guys? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
I've been very pleased with ModusMail/Gate (www.vircom.com). Great products and very effective. I'm running modusMail for my primary server and modusGate for filtering some business MS Exchange customers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtP equipment
LigoWave is planning one, but has not announced any details. This is from their website: LigoPTP devices provide high throughput, Point-to-Point connectivity for backhaul applications on a variety of frequencies. With LigoWave's proprietary software mechanism utilizing Selective Repeat ARQ technology (TDD), LigoPTP devices enable actual TCP throughput of up to 70 Mbps. Current products are available in 5 GHz and 900 MHz connectorized and integrated antenna models, but stay tuned for our PtP offerings in the 2.4 GHz and 3.65 GHz spectrums! I have been impressed with the price/performance of the 5 G and 900 stuff so far. On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I think we had a thread on this awhile back, maybe not, but is there anyone offering a 3650 PtP product? Is there enough interest in this to maybe prompt a manf. to get busy on this? For me, I need a move my backhauls out of the messy and noisy 5ghz and this would be ideal. I don't have any short term plans to start doing 3650 PtMP, and honestly probably won't for awhile - but that could change. Whatcha think guys? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
You must have a license to operate in 3.65 in America. On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Rogelio wrote: Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
What is unlicensed 3.65? I have a license. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
Tony, Real throughput requires that much per sector. That is incorrect. It requires that much per sector when the sector is a wide beam PtMP sector, and when there is tons of interference because the band is shared by many. If one provider controls 20Mhz, spectrum reuse can be engineered very easilly. That is the big scare here. If a maga comapny (the only ones largest enough to win Auctions) was to be granted 20Mhz of spectrum for broadband, it will enable a huge amount of services to be offered. A real threat to existing WISPs as far as competition goes. And being forced to give 20% of it away for free is worse. The 20% that they chose to give it to free to, will likely be the person that sends in a competitive bid from you the pre-existing local WISP. If they can't beat you, give it away to put the pressaure on you, after all tehy are just meeting their auction requirements, that they have to do any way. why not kill two birds with one stone. PtMP are not the only applications. A little GPS sync, and many PTP connections can work from a single location, enabling expansion of one's network very easilly. I can see it now... a 4 port starOS box (mesh radio) with 4 PtP stars, each 5 mhz, enabling 10 mbps minimum per sector, more than the typical PtMP sector my network had when it started 6 years ago. Wireless networks aren;t going to stay 100% wireless transport networks. Fiber is going to start to be available at more and more street corners (figure of speach). Start combineing 3650, 2155, 700Mhz, licensed technology, and all togeather bit by bit, it grows to be a large amount. I'd kill to get 20Mhz more spectrum at some of my cell sites. I ahve cell sites where 5.8Ghz gives me 180 degrees before I run out of spectrum. I could get 90 degrees more with another 20Mhz. Its all about mix and matching. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE?? Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, these prices would not make scenes in either case. On top of this, cost of the equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy in these frequencies ranges. My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to say in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending on what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at it for the best WISP solutions for most of the country. Comments Welcome! :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any spectrum very efficiently. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for free access there. 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband.
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
WISPs need to be able to deploy 10 megabit plus pipes to the home. No they don't. WISPs need to deploy 10mbps pipes to homes in order to compete equally with Cable Cos and RBOCs. I serve many neighborhoods today, with 900Mhz inteference haven, and they are glad I'm there. 30% of America still does not use broadband. I'm sure they'll be thrilled with their new abilty to ahve always on Email and basic Web just like today's broadband users were 5 years ago. But there are many applications that 20Mhz will solve. I agree, giving an additional 20Mhz will not solve the world's wireless broadband problems, but every bit helps, and 20Mhz helps alot. People's 25 Mhz 3650 now becomes 45Mhz, when they combine 2155 with 3650. Manufactureres need to build multi-band radios, bit that apears to be no problem, based on current tri-band plaus radios on the market today. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative What equipment lets me have 1 GB of throughput on a single site in only 20 MHz of available frequency? WISPs need to be able to deploy 10 megabit plus pipes to the home. A single user then chews up most of your 3.5 or 7 MHz channel. I know physics comes into play. I know government policy comes into play. I know money comes into play. The above is what we should be striving for. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any spectrum very efficiently. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for free access there. 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative http://telephonyonline.com/external.html?q=http://www.pcworld.com/businessce nter/article/147485/fcc_member_lessig_unveil_us_broadband_initiative.html Looks like this could be the start of a good thing. The mention freeing up more spectrum for wireless. Sincerely, Scottie Arnett --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
Good point Unlicensed 3.65 does not exist, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 What is unlicensed 3.65? I have a license. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ekahau for missing children
On a conference call today, someone asked if I knew of a solution that a large theme park chain might use to locate missing children. (Not really knowing the market, I (off the cuff) suggested they look at Ekahau. But I told them that wasn't my thing and that I'd have to connect them with someone else who did.) If anyone from this list would like for me to connect you with them, I can certainly try. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children
Roger, I'm not an expert but you are basically on the mark. Ekahau or other location-based systems should be able to track children if the children are wearing active Wi-Fi tags. jack Rogelio wrote: On a conference call today, someone asked if I knew of a solution that a large theme park chain might use to locate missing children. (Not really knowing the market, I (off the cuff) suggested they look at Ekahau. But I told them that wasn't my thing and that I'd have to connect them with someone else who did.) If anyone from this list would like for me to connect you with them, I can certainly try. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Frank Muto wrote: Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus, than inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections coming in, so the problem still exists. About 90% of our email is stopped by a simple DNS lookup, and the very brief TCP transaction necessary for the Barracuda to tell a remote client nope, you're blacklisted, go away is obviously much smaller than the relatively large transaction required to receive the message. You don't have to receive an email to know the sender's IP address. If your upstream connection is so congested that these small, brief transactions cause major problems, you've got bigger problems than a bit of junk mail. For scale, I have two Barracuda Spam Firewall 400s. Each handles around 350,000 emails per day, with a peak of around 20,000 per hour on busy weekdays, for about 3,000 end-user email addresses. Each of the two units averages around 150Kbps up and down, with occasional spikes as high as 1.5Mbps when someone's trying a dictionary attack or other silly shenanigans. That means, worst-case, if someone is actively hammering both of them, it's a total of maybe 3Mbps. If that little traffic is enough to cause major problems for your broadband end-users, there's something very weird going on somewhere. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children
The other thought I might have would be to give each kid an RFID tag, and then strategically set up the RFID readers throughout the park. I can also think of lots of interesting data you could gather as a theme park owner about patron habits if each was carrying a RFID tag... -forrest Rogelio wrote: On a conference call today, someone asked if I knew of a solution that a large theme park chain might use to locate missing children. (Not really knowing the market, I (off the cuff) suggested they look at Ekahau. But I told them that wasn't my thing and that I'd have to connect them with someone else who did.) If anyone from this list would like for me to connect you with them, I can certainly try. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children
That wold require the whole park to be wifi enabled, wouldn't a portable 3g/gps type of thing would be more reliable? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children Roger, I'm not an expert but you are basically on the mark. Ekahau or other location-based systems should be able to track children if the children are wearing active Wi-Fi tags. jack Rogelio wrote: On a conference call today, someone asked if I knew of a solution that a large theme park chain might use to locate missing children. (Not really knowing the market, I (off the cuff) suggested they look at Ekahau. But I told them that wasn't my thing and that I'd have to connect them with someone else who did.) If anyone from this list would like for me to connect you with them, I can certainly try. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
I have no idea how the Cuda works, so it may do some of these. It could (SHOULD) make sure that the email to be delivered is to a valid email on the system, make sure that the domain to be sent from is a valid domain, make sure the domain or IP is not listed in the RBL's, etc... All this can be done as soon as the MTA connects with a To/From (i.e. mailserver handshake) and the message is sent from the originating email server. You can go one step further with Sender Address Verification and/or greylisting, but that is a hot topic that many email server admins have heated discussions over. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus, than inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections coming in, so the problem still exists. Frank - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is every used. If its not, ditch it and go with the setup I mentioned earlier. There are many checks that can be done to verify a legit email before it ever leaves the sending email server to consume any bandwidth. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400 I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the customer, but also for the spammer/hacker. IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line enhances both services significantly. If offering mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu to business clients, it should be. There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your expertise. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ? Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare. Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus provider. We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat. It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini. Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about them. In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse. Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
Tom DeReggi wrote: WISPs need to be able to deploy 10 megabit plus pipes to the home. People's 25 Mhz 3650 now becomes 45Mhz, when they combine 2155 with 3650. What is 2155? This is the second mention I have seen of it (both are on this thread). Google doesn't turn up much at a quick glance. Thanks! Charles Wyble WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtP equipment
Is their 900 mhz stuff fcc certified? Randy Bo Ring wrote: LigoWave is planning one, but has not announced any details. This is from their website: LigoPTP devices provide high throughput, Point-to-Point connectivity for backhaul applications on a variety of frequencies. With LigoWave's proprietary software mechanism utilizing Selective Repeat ARQ technology (TDD), LigoPTP devices enable actual TCP throughput of up to 70 Mbps. Current products are available in 5 GHz and 900 MHz connectorized and integrated antenna models, but stay tuned for our PtP offerings in the 2.4 GHz and 3.65 GHz spectrums! I have been impressed with the price/performance of the 5 G and 900 stuff so far. On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I think we had a thread on this awhile back, maybe not, but is there anyone offering a 3650 PtP product? Is there enough interest in this to maybe prompt a manf. to get busy on this? For me, I need a move my backhauls out of the messy and noisy 5ghz and this would be ideal. I don't have any short term plans to start doing 3650 PtMP, and honestly probably won't for awhile - but that could change. Whatcha think guys? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtP equipment
Hi Randy, Yes, the LigoWave 900MHz products are all FCC certified. -Matt On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 15:26 -0600, Randy Cosby wrote: Is their 900 mhz stuff fcc certified? Randy Bo Ring wrote: LigoWave is planning one, but has not announced any details. This is from their website: LigoPTP devices provide high throughput, Point-to-Point connectivity for backhaul applications on a variety of frequencies. With LigoWave's proprietary software mechanism utilizing Selective Repeat ARQ technology (TDD), LigoPTP devices enable actual TCP throughput of up to 70 Mbps. Current products are available in 5 GHz and 900 MHz connectorized and integrated antenna models, but stay tuned for our PtP offerings in the 2.4 GHz and 3.65 GHz spectrums! I have been impressed with the price/performance of the 5 G and 900 stuff so far. On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I think we had a thread on this awhile back, maybe not, but is there anyone offering a 3650 PtP product? Is there enough interest in this to maybe prompt a manf. to get busy on this? For me, I need a move my backhauls out of the messy and noisy 5ghz and this would be ideal. I don't have any short term plans to start doing 3650 PtMP, and honestly probably won't for awhile - but that could change. Whatcha think guys? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative
Tom You are still thinking like an 802.11 only protocol :) I can see you have your mind set, once things get closer to having real product then this would be a more valuable thread, until then! Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, Real throughput requires that much per sector. That is incorrect. It requires that much per sector when the sector is a wide beam PtMP sector, and when there is tons of interference because the band is shared by many. If one provider controls 20Mhz, spectrum reuse can be engineered very easily. That is the big scare here. If a maga company (the only ones largest enough to win Auctions) was to be granted 20Mhz of spectrum for broadband, it will enable a huge amount of services to be offered. A real threat to existing WISPs as far as competition goes. And being forced to give 20% of it away for free is worse. The 20% that they chose to give it to free to, will likely be the person that sends in a competitive bid from you the pre-existing local WISP. If they can't beat you, give it away to put the pressaure on you, after all tehy are just meeting their auction requirements, that they have to do any way. why not kill two birds with one stone. PtMP are not the only applications. A little GPS sync, and many PTP connections can work from a single location, enabling expansion of one's network very easilly. I can see it now... a 4 port starOS box (mesh radio) with 4 PtP stars, each 5 mhz, enabling 10 mbps minimum per sector, more than the typical PtMP sector my network had when it started 6 years ago. Wireless networks aren;t going to stay 100% wireless transport networks. Fiber is going to start to be available at more and more street corners (figure of speach). Start combineing 3650, 2155, 700Mhz, licensed technology, and all togeather bit by bit, it grows to be a large amount. I'd kill to get 20Mhz more spectrum at some of my cell sites. I ahve cell sites where 5.8Ghz gives me 180 degrees before I run out of spectrum. I could get 90 degrees more with another 20Mhz. Its all about mix and matching. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE?? Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, these prices would not make scenes in either case. On top of this, cost of the equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband. Real throughput requires that much per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy in these frequencies ranges. My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to say in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending on what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at it for the best WISP solutions for most of the country. Comments Welcome! :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per AP and 800 per CPE. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative Mike I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range. 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of any
[WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is looking for, if there are any questions or comments feel free. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com Tony: Thank you for your inquiry. In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz band. This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation. Thus all of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support that for similar types of systems. They do not provide for recognizing and coexistence with other dissimilar systems. In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the system has to demonstrate coexistence with different protocols. At the present time the Commission reviews each application on its merit to determine if the system meets the requirements for such unrestricted operation. The Commission is monitoring the progress of IEEE 802.16h and 802.11y working groups in terms of their plans to extend their respective protocols to support coexistence. We are encouraged by this development and think that they are in the right direction. However, it is not a precondition for authorization. In the absence of any industry standard, we treat each application on a case-by-case basis. One of the tests we do apply is the co-existence analysis recommendation currently under review by the 802.19 committee. We would expect to see some simulation to show how the proposed system would behave in the presence of other systems, the back-off strategies employed and approaches to fair sharing mechanisms. Please let us know if you have further questions. Thank you, Rashmi Doshi, PhD Chief, FCC Laboratory Division WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:59:38AM -0400, Frank Muto wrote: That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. I outsource my spam scanning. I will *not* outsource my e-mail hosting. I outsourced anti-spam/anti-virus onto a barracuda model 400 because it was the model which would : A) Save me 20 hours per week of analyzing and creating rules for my SpamAssassin boxes. B) Still let me follow every message, every step of the way through the systems. C) Only need one BSF 400 to handle the load that required 2 SpamAssassin boxes. D) Allow me to rebrand the interface. E) Provide a web GUI for users to tweak their individual settings to a level which worked for them, with a quarantine holding area other than their inbox for the borderline stuff. False positives suck less if you can pull them out of the quarantine. Things like Postini provide some of the same benefits. But I really, really worry about B. I could buy a new BSF model 600 every two years for the prices I was quoted by the Postini sales guy (not you). A year or two later, I bought a second model 400 to help deal with the scanning load. Spam volume had more than doubled. Currently, we see more than 700,000 message send attempts to the two boxes per day. The RBLs take out approximately 600,000 of those attempts. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. I'm curious why you think the model 300/400 barracudas are desperately in need of gigabit ethernet. In my experience with e-mail handling, the network interface has never been the bottleneck. An anti-spam/anti-virus box needs lots of RAM, CPU and HD IO bandwidth. I wouldn't want to have to do much more non-RBL based scanning of mail with my two model 400s but that's not due to their choice of NIC. While I do have a few reservations about Barracuda Networks, it seems really weird to be slamming them for only having 100Mbps ethernet on their low end models. The CPU and RAM in the BSF model 400 and below could never deal with a full 100Mbps of traffic. E-mail traffic is less than 4% of our total network traffic. I would like to try a MailFoundry box because they seem to compare favorably to the BSFs at a slightly lower cost. But, users *hate* change and if the MailFoundry didn't work, there would be two changes. Users switch to other providers at the slightest hint that there might be a change coming. Users are strange. Also, I don't have enough issues with the BSFs to be that interested in spending time converting to another system. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
Have them contact me offlist. We carry the top WiMax manufacturers in 3.65GHz. David Peterson WirelessGuys Inc. 805-578-8590 On 6/30/08 1:57 PM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
David Peterson wrote: Have them contact me offlist. We carry the top WiMax manufacturers in 3.65GHz. Unlicensed? Which vendors? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
A while back Jack Unger explained how to get your product and antenna through FCC licensing (Certified System). If you are doing this and you have UBNT radio's then I believe he said that the costs of certification could be less because you would only have to do a mini certification. I also believe he suggested that he could assist with the process for a fee. If you need something right away then I would suggest that you consider doing something like this yourself, asking WISPA for some help, or possibly getting with other WISPA members in need. Current WIMAX gear is limited to 7.5 mhz channels at max so you're only going to produce a certain amount of bandwidth (18 meg at the port). UBNT cards can run at 20mhz and if you can get them tested they can run closer to 29.00 real world bandwidth. (Tested at the port in the lab on UBNT cards). If I'm wrong about that Jack can slap me for mis-understanding a post. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
- Original Message - From: Scott Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:59:38AM -0400, Frank Muto wrote: That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems. I outsource my spam scanning. I will *not* outsource my e-mail hosting. I outsourced anti-spam/anti-virus onto a barracuda model 400 because it was the model which would : A) Save me 20 hours per week of analyzing and creating rules for my SpamAssassin boxes. B) Still let me follow every message, every step of the way through the systems. C) Only need one BSF 400 to handle the load that required 2 SpamAssassin boxes. D) Allow me to rebrand the interface. E) Provide a web GUI for users to tweak their individual settings to a level which worked for them, with a quarantine holding area other than their inbox for the borderline stuff. False positives suck less if you can pull them out of the quarantine. Things like Postini provide some of the same benefits. But I really, really worry about B. I could buy a new BSF model 600 every two years for the prices I was quoted by the Postini sales guy (not you). Don't get me wrong, Barracuda makes a fine appliance and comparing them to a hosted solution with far greater processing power, 7 global data centers and 14 redundant systems, now with the strength of Google's cash and server farms, is two different things. As for B, unfortunately that is a weakness that some IT people can not give up. 45% of the IT departments in Fortune 1000 companies in the US do not have too much of that same problem. A year or two later, I bought a second model 400 to help deal with the scanning load. Spam volume had more than doubled. Currently, we see more than 700,000 message send attempts to the two boxes per day. The RBLs take out approximately 600,000 of those attempts. Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user systems. I'm curious why you think the model 300/400 barracudas are desperately in need of gigabit ethernet. In my experience with e-mail handling, the network interface has never been the bottleneck. An anti-spam/anti-virus box needs lots of RAM, CPU and HD IO bandwidth. This is what we are seeing with our cross-over sales from Cuda boxes coming over to Postini and some putting Postini in front of the Cuda box. Again the two services offer like services, but are still different. Postini is an easy product to offer as a reseller and our IT resellers who swap out 300/400 units for Postini tell us the box is a bottle neck. Just in our own office network, we have some fairly high-end computers and run different NAS units for continuous backups and failover mirrored directories. When we went from a 10/100 to a Gigabit network, it was a significant boost to productivity. I feel the same could be done for the Cuda box, because selling a box based on active users, IMO no longer fits their modeling. We have Postini clients with 200-300 users out gunning clients with 3 to 4 times the amount of users. With Postini, big or small, it does not matter. I wouldn't want to have to do much more non-RBL based scanning of mail with my two model 400s but that's not due to their choice of NIC. While I do have a few reservations about Barracuda Networks, it seems really weird to be slamming them for only having 100Mbps ethernet on their low end models. The CPU and RAM in the BSF model 400 and below could never deal with a full 100Mbps of traffic. E-mail traffic is less than 4% of our total network traffic. I would like to try a MailFoundry box because they seem to compare favorably to the BSFs at a slightly lower cost. But, users *hate* change and if the MailFoundry didn't work, there would be two changes. Users switch to other providers at the slightest hint that there might be a change coming. Users are strange. Also, I don't have enough issues with the BSFs to be that interested in spending time converting to another system. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Frank Muto wrote: Don't get me wrong, Barracuda makes a fine appliance and comparing them to a hosted solution with far greater processing power, 7 global data centers and 14 redundant systems, now with the strength of Google's cash and server farms, is two different things. Frank Your right. Postini is the way to go. I use an older hosted spam service thats not a member of wispa and I'm not going to mention their name. Membership has priveledge The benefit of the hosted spam filtering solution is keeping everything off your network and not having to handle that expense of server administration, maintenamce, and replacement. IIt sound expensive when we started, but in all actuallity, it's saved us thousands every year. I'm not paying for the spammers bandwidth either George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
