Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread reader
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ )

Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
We have not ran into that yet. But thanks for letting us know. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:34 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wyble
Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ ) is pretty good but having trouble keeping up with new Atheros models. MadWiFi is a sort of reverse engineering.Atheros knows how the chipsets work and you can buy the documentation, raw code, the secrets of the HAL, everything, by

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for. The reasoning behind the FDD style deployment would be to help compete against

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wyble
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for. Right. Makes sense. I re read the original post. My

[WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and trees too. You can't drive much more than a mile without going up a hill with a change of 100 - 150 ft in elevation. Anyone tested or

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
Hi Scottie, No, all flat ground but Midwest trees. Your scenario would be an interesting test. Mike At 07:59 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Michael Baird
Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations - question

2008-07-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Charles Wu wrote: So, seeing the activity on this latest thread regarding Nanostations has peaked my interest...so, to satisfy my own curiosity, I decided to do some research on Nanostations You didn't do quite enough research. :-) (I'm making a lot of assumptions

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: They just copied someone else's card, though I forget now who. It's in the FCC docs. IIRC, the MT cards are relabled Compex cards. -- *Butch Evans*Professional

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Patient wrote: Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). Got Jim, too...he meant Virtualization (Xen). :-) -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. You don't think XEN can be useful? I have it in testing

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread 3-dB Networks
I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are). I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top. I guess I meant things that we can't already get somewhere else. Mikrotik themselves has to do a lot of things, but we can do Xen on our own. -- Mike

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I would have bet any amount of money that I saw "polling" as an option in the AirOS stuff... but now that I am looking for it, I can't seem to find it. :( Travis Randy Cosby wrote: Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or something? I haven't noticed it.

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Gino Villarini
Maybe you got confused with the OSwave firmware Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Jon Langeler
I can't say whether I'm interested in your ideas yet or not. But unless you wanted to develop syncronization or some specific function of a centralized server for the base stations I don't see the point of adding the additional complexity. Canopy for example has synconization without the need

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Visualization? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Salary (insurance, etc.)

2008-07-21 Thread Dylan Bouterse
If I could split off this topic to something very related. What insurance/workers comp are being held to legally employ climbers? I'm assuming two climbers minimum are on staff? We are getting to the point where it would benefit us to have our own climbers but the decision makers are intimidated

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Jim Patient
Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the PR 2282 to do this. Jim// Mike Hammett wrote: Visualization? --

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
So let me get this right... Instead of working on wireless drivers, improving the existing feature set, stabilizing the whole router, etc. Mikrotik has been working on making your router virtual server host? Before I complain directly to Mikrotik, could you point me to something official

Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Salary (insurance, etc.)

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wu
Keep them classified as general install technicians that spend less than 10% of their time on a tower (which is true for most WISPs) To have true workman's comp / insurance for full-time tower crews -- you're insurance bills will jump to the tens of thousands of -Charles

Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Salary (insurance, etc.)

2008-07-21 Thread Blake Bowers
And DON'T have documentation where you show them as tower climbers. \ Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Travis Johnson
I agree... and I actually emailed their support group last night before this message even came out about the EXACT same thing... they seem really hung up on adding new features instead of fixing or improving the real issues. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: So let me get this right...

Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Salary (insurance, etc.)

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
As with everything insurance related, make sure they know about everything it is that they do, but do your best to minimize exposure to the high cost policies. You wouldn't want to leave out the fact that they climb towers twice a month and then have a tower related claim, which gets denied.

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-21 Thread Chuck McCown
DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Bryan Scott
On Jul 20, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Thay just need to add a couple of features to the t45... Better ethernet configuration options 5 10 40 channels support gino DD-WRT has Ubiquity versions now. Didn't have much luck with it as a client (on a NS5), but haven't tried

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Jim Patient
No Mike, not just our systems, any x86 system. That is why we don't think they are ending x86 support any time soon. The package is in testing now and hasn't been officially released. Mikrotik continually works to improve the OS. They normally respond well to bugs and fixes. They take votes

[WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread reader
A year or two ago I had this idea that's related to our discussions... In short, it was to create a open source platform for WISP use. I called it WISP-OS. All the functions of routing, firewalling, dhcp client and server, and all the other networking functions are out there and

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wyble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, it was to create a open source platform for WISP use. I called it WISP-OS. All the functions of routing, firewalling, dhcp client and server, and all the other networking functions are out there and consistently being improved in the open source

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were to have a 2 part system: An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower control room that is the intelligence,

Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing....

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wyble
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were to have a 2 part system: An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower control room

Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Randy Cosby
I've heard most of the backstory on the Trango MM death. In a way I think we should applaud Z for killing it. It would not do what we needed for the next generation product it needed to be. He could have delivered it half-baked, and maybe even broken even on it, but in the long term, it

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Randy Cosby
Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or something? I haven't noticed it. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: The AirOS that comes on the Nanostations also has polling the issue is having a product that is compatible and has the features that people are already used

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Charles Wyble
Randy Cosby wrote: Is polling like token passing? Say something like http://frottle.sourceforge.net/ ? Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or something? I haven't noticed it. Randy -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations - question

2008-07-21 Thread Randy Cosby
There are some apples / oranges differences between Tranzeo and Nanostation that Tranzeo really ought to trumpet more. Things like firmware rollbacks, built-in RAID file systems, etc. And they have had a lot more time to work out a lot of bugs and irritations. All of mine just work. Oh,

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-21 Thread Matt Jenkins
DD-WRT does run on the NS. Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this. - Original Message - From: Japhy Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

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Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
The T45 is probably my favorite ptp radio today, but I'm severally limited without support for 10mhz channels. I usually run 20Mhz channels, but the safety blanket to be able to drop to 10Mhz to get around interference is priceless, when it is needed. Thats never known until after the gear is

Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Tom, on a semi-related note, have affected by the VLAN bug on these radios? The radio will not respond to any traffic originating outside if its own subnet if VLAN support is enabled. That means no monitoring by a NMS if it's not on the same subnet as the radio. Trango confirmed the bug back

Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Should have read have you been affected... Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Tom, on a semi-related note, have affected by the VLAN bug on these

Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents

2008-07-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
I fully agree. I'd rather a product line be cancelled than one released that would cause the buyers to loose face/money after we bought into the line. Of course what I would like most, is the product that the MM5 promised. But as the song goes, You can't always get what you want, but sometimes