Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-22 Thread reader
Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it,

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Cowan
I believe we were at 37dbm EIRP at both ends of the link. I agree that we can't change physics and I expected the same letdown that we all had when OFDM hit the scenes for 5.8ghz. All the tests I mentioned were using Alvarions base station with 2nd order diversity. 2nd order nets a 3db

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is? http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used? Randy 3-dB Networks wrote: I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with Aperto gear. We were so

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer. The PS and Case are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto. Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is nothing wrong with subsidees. Its the only way to level the playing field, in david vs goliath markets.. The problem is how subsidees are given and the criteria for how one qualifies. Subsidees are meant to be taken advantage of. Its what enables someone to survive, that otherwise would

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
The packetmax 100... it looks very similar... the PoE's are identical (not sure if the power output is the same but they look exactly the same) The case instead of being flat on the panel does have something of a raise, but if you have seen a Tranzeo before, the first thing you are going to think

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John McDowell
The 300 looks like the Redline cpe On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.

2008-07-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
But you really are not harming the subsidized utility. For example, we have about 900 customer on our public utility. We charge them a little more than $10 for local service. $9000 per month. But the FUSF, SUSF, and NECA settlement probably amounts to 2-3 million a year. If you take my

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe
They are made by the same company along with a Moto wimax cpe and a few others... -Hal -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date:

[WISPA] A glorious victory

2008-07-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
10k is NOT the price for an 802.16e solution- Try closer to 20-40k per sector Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Eric Muehleisen
You are correct. Don't shoot the messenger. -Eric Jeff Booher wrote: Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-22 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top. It's not that it was something I needed, but am using it since it is already installed. In order to get the particular

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Valenti
Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650 wasn't all that great thru trees.

Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory

2008-07-22 Thread Brian Webster
Nice victory Chuck. That guy was out of control. In all the zoning hearings I have ever participated in around the US, never had they gotten as restrictive as that guy tried to be! Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
John Valenti wrote: Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650

Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Good job! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
That's probably EIRP, not radio power. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:54 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its supposed to do 6 9's for availability?) It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small

[WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?

2008-07-22 Thread Jack Unger
Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Rock
A 4-5 dBi antenna gets you to 10 watts which would be legal in theory with a 10 MHz wide channel ;-) Wind load would be very small for that sized sector --- heeehhe John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Rock
I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will

Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?

2008-07-22 Thread Larry Yunker
Because many WISPs operate as part-time or shoe-string type operations, I would venture to say that the average WISP has less than 1000 CPE deployed. On the other hand, if you were to ask the question in a different manner... perhaps frame the question: Of those WISPs that have at least one

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
I agree 100%... every WISP should really look at 3.65. The problem is the base station cost... I don't know many small WISP's that will be able to afford a 10k base station. Many have a hard time deploying say Canopy AP's that cost $1200 or so. My point is, unlike Canopy, Tranzeo, Ubquity,

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John McDowell
I agree with you. Being a small WISP, we really took a risk investing in RedMax gear for the simple fact that we are so rural. Selling Business Internet and Voip bundles with a small PBX phone system is the only way we're really going to see a decent return on this system in the near future. The

[WISPA] NS1 - KML conversion

2008-07-22 Thread Rogelio
I'm looking for scripts (perl, python, etc) that turn Netstumber (or equiv) data into the KML files necessary for Google Earth. So far, I've only found the following googling. http://code.google.com/p/ns2kml/ Has anyone found any others that work well?