[WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Isp Operator
Hi Gang, We recently received notice that one of our locations has received the interest of our county planning department, who has determined that the location requires a 'use permit' for a major impact utility location (eg: Cellular telephone). Naturally, we strongly disagree with this

[WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Gino Villarini
While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Dylan Bouterse
Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

2008-08-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Most WISPs just plain suck at marketing, my own certainly included. There are at least 7 WISPs in my county, most have been here for quite a while. When I come across someone that wants service, they are ecstatic that someone is offering this service. I won't tell them that others have been

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

2008-08-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Part-15 has arranged with the FCC to have their WISP locator on the FCC's site (I forget where) in their explanation of broadband and where to get it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

2008-08-12 Thread Mike Cowan
This is the ConnectKentucky group expanding their reach to Ohio, then the rest of the nation. It is a cleverly crafted organization finely tuned to remove money from government projects and place same in their own. I believe they were recently tossed out of the good graces with the KY

Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I spoke with several equipment vendors and CLECs (local and nation-wide). Their statements combined with my own experiments is what brought me to that conclusion. Some didn't offer T.38 at all because of it's unreliability. Some offered it, but had a very short list of ATAs that they would even

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Brad Belton
A GSR is a plenty powerful enough router to handle multiple FE and GigE circuits, but they are prone to failure just as anything else is. Make sure you've got spares on hand and like Dylan mentioned make sure it has at least 512MB RAM. BTW, one of our GigE upstream providers has been running a

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We just recently installed one of these (12008) to take a full OC3 feed. We had to ugprade the memory (on the CPU card AND on the OC3 card), but even then it was cheap. The only catch for most people is they are 240VAC... and they take up about 10u of rack space. Travis Microserv Gino

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
My first question is, where is this taking place? I ran into this in one market just recently, but it was the first time we had been classified as a telecommunications facility, and been require to go through the extensive permitting process. The requirements we faced were above and beyond

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Thanks for the input, actually our core router is a Mikrotik Appliace (same as the power router). We have 2 100 mbps upstream links with the same provider and we could not get BGP aggregation working correctly against the provider Cisco. So we are looking into putting a cisco in between both

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
There are about 4 parts of federal code that allows the use, but it does not get you out of the process. Planning cannot deny you but you still have to apply for the conditional use permit. They will have a hearing for the public to have a chance to comment, but at the end of the day you will

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
You gotta get a better lawyer. Some of this stuff, especially RF emissions are federally regulated and wholly prempts local officials. It is actually easier if you call your facility cellular like in most cases because federal code can get most of this off your back. The building

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeah that's what I was leaning to ...maybe we could talk offlist Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
They cannot require colocation, that is considered a taking. - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem My first question is, where is this

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Bryan Scott
You could also do a 6500 or 7600 with dual Supervisors power supplies. Mine carries full routes, dual GigE to the world, supports GigE, FE, ATM OC3, DS3, Packet Over Sonet (over OC3 or OC12), 48 96- port ethernet blades, and the list goes on. They have AC or DC power supplies. And they

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
Clear as day in the ordinance. I agree, but there goes another $10 grand to challenge that provision of the ordinance. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Eric Rogers
I would personally allow co-location, but my rates would be very inflated. If the town stated $10 was fair, I would counter with...Because of your requirements, you have put me at an economic hardship. Therefore, any tenants would be required to pay the costs. I would then set the rental rate at

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Liotta
More importantly you need to have 256MB of line card memory on each card if you plan on running full tables. Make sure you get the GRP-B route processors with ECC memory. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I am not sure, but I think something may have been amended in the section of federal code that helps cell towers stomp on the local planning and zoning. It seems that cell towers might have to offer collocation. - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't think it is possible to buy VXRs with the right engine to handle full tables that are cheaper than GSRs. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Liotta
The only 6500/7600 that can support full tables requires a sup720-3bxl, which itself is much more expensive than a complete GSR. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Scott wrote: You could also do a 6500 or 7600 with dual Supervisors power supplies. Mine carries full routes, dual GigE

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread ralph
So what exactly are the zoning rules for structures in that area- specifically towers? You did not tell us this. Many times any structure of a certain height of any type need a variance or use permit to be there- in our area it is 35 ft. Even applies to a house. Of course if you were a Ham

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I ought to pull out our arguments we have used and put them on the wiki. There are four bits of federal code that you can use. Two of them apply to cell phone towers, but since we are part of the femtocell structure now, we are in that business if we want to be. OTARD covers two way broadband

Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-12 Thread RickG
Really nice work Kurt! I need you to come down to Kentucky and do that for me on a few tower! -RickG On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want to check it out. Hopefully someone

[WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-12 Thread RickG
I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
We have found that most municipalities have not regulated, beyond a building permit, towers below a certain height. Some were very generous at 100-110 feet, some were a bit stingy at 50 feet, but the majority has been open for anything of 70-80 feet or below. That to me is a reasonable ordinance

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Good bunch of info here. Almost all of can be applied to us. http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/local/prb-1_program.html - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Actually, visual impact CAN be applied. Lambs Knoll MD is a good example of a recent application where the tower company lost. A municipality can heavily regulate tower placement, and if they show that another site without that visual impact, or even multiple sites without that visual impact can

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
And you would be sued, and you would lose. Reasonable accommodations have to be made for collocation. If your competitor is required by the town to collocate, and you unreasonably keep him from complying with the city statutes, he has firm legal footing to pursue you. A few quotes for

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
There are two parts of the telecom act, OTARD and the Ham ruling that should be able to be used to mitigate most of this. Especially of the city attorney doesn't want to do much research. OTARD and the Ham ruling could probably combat the visual impact aspect. I have successfully used the

[WISPA] Warehouse clean up sale

2008-08-12 Thread Gino Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
They can, and do require collocation. Whats even worse, is many places will REQUIRE that the tower owner provide free space for local government services. Its not legal, but the big boys of the tower industry have agreed thousands of times to this, which only hurts us regional operators. With

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Nope. Trying to hide behind the HAM radio provisions will get you caught. I know first hand of a tower in Alabama constructed under PRB-1. About a year after it was constructed, a VHF antenna was installed for a commercial antenna. Soon after, the zoning folks got wind. The tower owner was

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
None of that can be applied. Strictly HAM radio stuff, non-commercial. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-12 Thread lakeland
No Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] coax cables I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG

[WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread RickG
I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to run coax cables to an enclosure at the bottom and add amps to make up for the loss. I'm looking for a 9 mile link. The drop is 150 feet. At any rate, I found an old RG8/U cable. Will that work on 5GHz? I also have LMR400? If not, what would you

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-12 Thread lakeland
It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 2,/(:4 32* 4:+3( Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Eric Rogers
Who defines reasonable? I would justify that our costs in the construction of the tower, namely permitting and engineering studies required are part of the Rent. Just like a building, I wouldn't rent it less than it costs to construct it. That doesn't make sense. At $1000/mo, it would take

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
RG8 is totally wrong. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:55 AM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread RickG
I thought so. Thats why I asked. So, LMR400 or 600? -RickG On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RG8 is totally wrong. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread lakeland
OTARD and PRB1 do not pertain to AP or backhaul locations Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:43:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Reasonable is more often than not going to be based on what a similiar tower would lease similiar space in a similiar area. And its always a good idea to involve an attorney any more. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread Blake Bowers
LMR 400 will work. If you really want to lower your loss, use eliptical waveguide, but be prepared for a very high cost. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hey Joe, What happened when you went before the city council and lined out the fee's vs. your expected income? Is there possibly a DSL or cable competitor already there that didn't want any competition etc.? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

2008-08-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If I know Chip his name's not rining a bell right now. But I've talked to or met a LOT of people over the years and I tend to forget names far too quickly. All programs like this give me the heeby geebies. At least so far they do. One good note is that it's about time Government started

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread lakeland
Yes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:06:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U I thought so. Thats why I asked. So, LMR400 or 600? -RickG On Tue, Aug 12,

[WISPA] Fw: Hutton Communications Expo, Phoenix! REMINDER

2008-08-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'm trying to decide if I want to go to this. Anyone else planning on being there? marlon - Original Message - From: Hutton Marketing Team To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Hutton Communications Expo, Phoenix! REMINDER

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Jack Unger
There were many good on-list responses to your post so I'll be short here with my comments. Local jurisdictions can't prohibit your tower but your tower is subject to their local zoning rules and regulations. Co-location requirements are often made to minimize the number of towers in an area

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/Uuse TUE, AUG 12, 2008ยป

2008-08-12 Thread lakeland
Use LDF4.5 Heliax for this run. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:55:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U I hate radios at the top of the tower so I'd like to

[WISPA] FCC ULC

2008-08-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
How accurate is the FCC ULC? I am searching by call sign for grandfathered earth stations and all four of the call signs come back not found. Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email image001.jpg

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown
All of it can be applied where it is talking about how to work with the locals. I have had great success with many jurisdictions doing many of the things specified on that page. - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] None of that can be applied. Strictly HAM

Re: [WISPA] FCC ULC

2008-08-12 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Jerry Richardson wrote, On 8/12/2008 11:55 AM: How accurate is the FCC ULC? I am searching by call sign for grandfathered earth stations and all four of the call signs come back not found. It's not in there except a reference to the grandfathered PDF. The International Bureau is where

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown
They do if the local county or city attorney believes they do. Moreover, if you are leasing the site, the landowner can be the customer thereby giving OTARD a toe hold. If you are a HAM you can make the case that you are also using the site for ham purposes. Not saying any would stand scrutiny

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
Marlon, We never went before the board for a variance. The overwhelming burden placed on us was apparently more of a fight than we needed to take on with alternate locations just a hilltop away. We cut our losses with the $1000 deposit on the property which had a usage-acceptance clause in the

Re: [WISPA] FCC ULC

2008-08-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
Thank you __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:59 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
Jack, I am a Brooklyn boy that ran a communications business in Midtown Manhattan for 15 years. I had rooftops secured before anyone knew what they were worth. We leased space to Winstar (Ouch!), all the paging companies ( more ouch) and ran several 20 channel SMR systems in addition to about

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
Who defines reasonable? In this case the city ordinance. If you want the permit granted, you comply with the provisions. We chose to move on to a more reasonable jurisdiction. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
OTARD does not apply to any commercial usage. It will apply to a commercial end user, but not a system operator. Statutes that apply to HAM operators are just that, for HAM operators. Certainly you could make a claim, but that's about the same as saying you garage your car in another state to

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Would OTARD apply in a scenario of a mesh AP/CPE antenna? - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem OTARD does not apply to any commercial

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown
OTARD was modified to recognize that CPE can also be part of the infrastructure allowing CPE to be repeaters. So, it really doesn't matter if it is an AP or CPE anymore. As long as there is a customer at the site. The customer doesn't have to live at the site. - Original Message -

[WISPA] FCC geographic search

2008-08-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Anyone else having trouble using the FCC geographic search feature? I called tech support and they said there were known issues. But nothing further. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] FCC ULC

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you Link for the international bureau search page: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/General_Menu_Reports/ -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project

[WISPA] info on securing a 3.65 license

2008-08-12 Thread Rogelio
Charles et al, Below is a 14 MB file detailing some of the steps needed in order to secure a 3.65 GHz license. http://www.alvarion.com/upload/images/stepbystep_wp.pdf (Others may already know this, but this was new for me)

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
ralph wrote: Please elaborate, Jeff. Ralph Yes Jeff. Please elaborate. There are various community projects that are somewhat successful. Various muni service networks that are operational. Certainly providing free access to everyone didn't and isn't going to work (see earthlink :)

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Jack Unger wrote: Here's a guy who is building a Muni WiMAX network all by himself. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/09/3592867.htm Either: a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know (because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
You may wanted to argue two points 1) That your company/broadcast site does not match the description of telecom facility as defined in the County Code. And that there is no provision listed in the county code that specifically states your business type and use, and that bundling you into

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
They cannot require colocation, that is considered a taking. Sure about that? If so I'd like more info. In Montgomery County Maryland, their position is that before they'll issue a tower permit (excluding HAM towers), one of the requirements is that you must prove that you have been unable to

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

2008-08-12 Thread Jack Unger
If you believe they mean true Wi-MAX then do you believe it's licensed Wi-MAX or licensed-lite Wi-MAX in 3650? Charles Wyble wrote: Jack Unger wrote: Here's a guy who is building a Muni WiMAX network all by himself. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/08/09/3592867.htm Either: a)

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Fiero
Tom, Your suggestions are valid for an OTARD situation, but ill advised in this case. The burden of proof is not on the municipality, however compliance is expected. Failure to comply and operating a facility could likely result in fines being assessed daily. The first question is how are they

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

2008-08-12 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
ClearWire managed to bridge the digital divide with Wimax in many places. So whats the big deal with what this guys doing other than the free investment advertisement? He's charging monthly for access, and you still need a CPE to use it. So did Towerstream. If someone gave me 2.5 million

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Jack Unger
Where did you get the information about building a HAM tower for a $95 licensing fee? That information seems incorrect. Getting a HAM radio license requires passing the appropriate HAM radio licensing tests for the license class that you want. Tom DeReggi wrote: You may wanted to argue two

Re: [WISPA] info on securing a 3.65 license

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Rogelio wrote: Charles et al, Below is a 14 MB file detailing some of the steps needed in order to secure a 3.65 GHz license. http://www.alvarion.com/upload/images/stepbystep_wp.pdf Yes that is a fantastic link and quite informative. I think my blog post still beats it on google

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Jack Unger wrote: If you believe they mean true Wi-MAX then do you believe it's licensed Wi-MAX or licensed-lite Wi-MAX in 3650? For 2.5 million I'm thinking licensed. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project

Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread Blair Davis
I have and still do, in some cases, long, (100ft+), cable runs. LMR-400 is the minimum cable size for that on 2.4GHz. You will need an amp. At 5GHz, I would expect LMR-600 or better. However, at 5GHz, I think I would go with tower top radios. I doubt that you will get good results at 5GHz

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Re: [WISPA] coax cables - RG8/U

2008-08-12 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Hold on, I am heading out the door right now the the camera I'm gonna get some pics of another tower I setup that is all COAX and I think you'll be drooling when you see it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

[WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Mark McElvy
Just wondering if there are others doing DSL along with their wireless? Would like a product recommendation and source. Thanks Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
Yes. We use IAKNO wholesale DSL. They have been great. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:33 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Mark McElvy
Well actually was referring to a DSL modem recommendation... Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT -

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Just modems or dslams? Randy Mark McElvy wrote: Well actually was referring to a DSL modem recommendation... Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, August 12,

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
One way to do it is... You get the tower up via HAM rules, and don't provide commercial use. BUilt it just large enoug that it would hold only your antennas. Then after the fact There are some local code issues that often incourage someone to attempt to find a pre-existing structures to

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Mark McElvy
End user DSL modem recommendation. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation Just

Re: [WISPA] FCC geographic search

2008-08-12 Thread Brian Webster
Chuck, What exactly are you having problems with? Any FCC ULS searches have been a crap shoot for me. Much of the time I find that for any queries to work well, you need to be as simple as possible. It seems that if you give it more complex conditions to filter down the results, it gets

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Mark McElvy wrote: End user DSL modem recommendation. Hmmm.. What are you using as your DSLAM? Generally you want to pair a similar brand. Can you tell us a bit more about your service and architecture? DSL is ridiculously complex. I have been researching it extensively and ATM alone is

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Mark McElvy
Well we are looking at wholesaling through Socket. We are mainly in Embarq territory. I there a better way to go? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:48 PM

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Also, read the actual code/charter that regulates the activity to find exemptions. Here in Prince George's county, MD, antennas that fall below a certain size and power output are considered minimal (forget the exact wording) and can be installed on an existing structure without going through

Re: [WISPA] FCC geographic search

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Brian Webster wrote: Chuck, What exactly are you having problems with? Any FCC ULS searches have been a crap shoot for me. Much of the time I find that for any queries to work well, you need to be as simple as possible. It seems that if you give it more complex conditions to filter

Re: [WISPA] FCC geographic search

2008-08-12 Thread Randy Cosby
http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=alerts#71 Seems like there is always some sort of technical difficulties there. I enjoy getting pdf reports from ULS that are generated with the following footer: ReportMill Evaluation. Call 214.513.1636 for license :) Brian Webster wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Where my advice applies depends on the motive for delaying the a Tower application. I agree one must fiirst identify what the local laws/ordinances are, and make sure that they comply with them, prior to building. Building in a way that is known to be against allowable rules, is a really bad

Re: [WISPA] Tower site liscensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I was not clear. I was not talking about getting a HAM license. I was talking about the local permit fee, for the tower application. It is rediculously low, atleast in my county. (maybe it was as high as $300 max?) The HAM guys did a good job protecting their rights over the years. They are

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thats interesting. It might be worth seeing if Montgomery County, followed suit, and did something similar? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Jack Unger
Remember that one of the ham radio provisions is that you need to be a ham... :) Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Also, read the actual code/charter that regulates the activity to find exemptions. Here in Prince George's county, MD, antennas that fall below a certain size and power output are

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
We have been using the dlink --- airCloud Communications Jerry Richardson 925-260-4119 Sent Mobile -Original Message- From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] OT - DSL Modem recomendation

2008-08-12 Thread Randy Cosby
We've had really good luck with these guys, used them for years here in Qwest territory: http://www.dtnettech.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=1877 and http://www.dtnettech.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=1876 Tell them InfoWest sent you. Jerry Richardson wrote: We have

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Scott Lambert
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:21:13AM -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Travis Johnson
We installed a GSR with two processor cards and a single OC3 card. The load on our UPS went up by 1% (APC 12kva). The heat generated by that is nothing compared to the three Akamai caching servers (2u HP's with 8 SCSI drives each and dual power supplies). Travis Microserv Scott Lambert

[WISPA] another tower site install (WAS coax cables)

2008-08-12 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Just got some pictures uploaded of another one of my AP sites if you want to check it out. This site is completely all COAX with no radio's at top! 150 foot tower that is all LMR-900. Check it out and I'll answer any questions. Just trying to help you guys out. I did this one all coax cause

Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? For us it is irrelevant. We would need a VXR with a

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