[WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect)
First time I have ever seen my Mikrotik AP with the Tranzeo clients with uptime that started with greater than 3 hr. I Uploaded the new 3.15 OS to 2 of my AP's last Thursday and now the up time shows 3d 18:25:00. I also have happy customers. Good Job all who Helped MT see the problem and tested to get it fixed. Links Are below if you haven't uploaded the latest 3.15 OS. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service MikroTik RouterOS version 3.15 released! Changelog: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_rc Torrent files: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-3.15.torrent Regular HTTP download: http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect)
Yes I uploaded 3.15 to all my AP's and it fixed it also. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) First time I have ever seen my Mikrotik AP with the Tranzeo clients with uptime that started with greater than 3 hr. I Uploaded the new 3.15 OS to 2 of my AP's last Thursday and now the up time shows 3d 18:25:00. I also have happy customers. Good Job all who Helped MT see the problem and tested to get it fixed. Links Are below if you haven't uploaded the latest 3.15 OS. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service MikroTik RouterOS version 3.15 released! Changelog: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_rc Torrent files: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-3.15.torrent Regular HTTP download: http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink
If anyone has used these antennas (5Ghz dual polarity), how do they compare in performance and hardware durability? HyperLink's Hypergain -- HG5158DP-29D PacWireless's -- HDDA5W-29-DP Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink
We have gotten a lot of great feedback on the performance on the Pac dual feed dish. A few complaints on the assemblies on it, it can be a little tricky. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Mario Pommier Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Oct 20, 2008 09:47 Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink If anyone has used these antennas (5Ghz dual polarity), how do they compare in performance and hardware durability? HyperLink's Hypergain -- HG5158DP-29D PacWireless's -- HDDA5W-29-DP Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in Centerville MD 21617
Hi, I have a friend who lives in Centerville, MD zip 21617 Anyone have coverage there? Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB133Cs
Is there much of a market for used RB133Cs? I have a few of them that I discovered don't have enough enough memory, so I have been replacing them with higher memory units. I figured I'd sell them instead of put them on a shelf or throw them away. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service in Centerville MD 21617
Bay Broadband serves (at least part of) Centreville. Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mario Pommier wrote: Hi, I have a friend who lives in Centerville, MD zip 21617 Anyone have coverage there? Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect)
Did this effect 2.9 also, or just 3.x? I still have a lot of 2.9 AP's out there... Not really a complaint but I do have some network anomalies out there that I'm wondering if this is the solution. Also, did this effect standard 802.11 2.4 wifi or just Tranzeo/other CPE types? - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) Yes I uploaded 3.15 to all my AP's and it fixed it also. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) First time I have ever seen my Mikrotik AP with the Tranzeo clients with uptime that started with greater than 3 hr. I Uploaded the new 3.15 OS to 2 of my AP's last Thursday and now the up time shows 3d 18:25:00. I also have happy customers. Good Job all who Helped MT see the problem and tested to get it fixed. Links Are below if you haven't uploaded the latest 3.15 OS. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service MikroTik RouterOS version 3.15 released! Changelog: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_rc Torrent files: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-3.15.torrent Regular HTTP download: http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink
I can't speak to those exact models, but, in general, I have had much better luck with Hyperlink PtP and client/narrow beam antennas than PacWireless. I've had good luck with PacWireless V-Pol sectors. And we have switched to Comet for V-pol omni's Mario Pommier wrote: If anyone has used these antennas (5Ghz dual polarity), how do they compare in performance and hardware durability? HyperLink's Hypergain -- HG5158DP-29D PacWireless's -- HDDA5W-29-DP Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs
If the price is right, I'd be interested... How many? Mike Hammett wrote: Is there much of a market for used RB133Cs? I have a few of them that I discovered don't have enough enough memory, so I have been replacing them with higher memory units. I figured I'd sell them instead of put them on a shelf or throw them away. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI
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Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs
I'm not done replacing them all, so I'm not sure how many I'll have when I'm done. I'm going to guess 10 - 15 boards. Would $30/each be fair? Just over half the price of a new RB411, depending on where you get it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs If the price is right, I'd be interested... How many? Mike Hammett wrote: Is there much of a market for used RB133Cs? I have a few of them that I discovered don't have enough enough memory, so I have been replacing them with higher memory units. I figured I'd sell them instead of put them on a shelf or throw them away. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs
Deal! Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not done replacing them all, so I'm not sure how many I'll have when I'm done. I'm going to guess 10 - 15 boards. Would $30/each be fair? Just over half the price of a new RB411, depending on where you get it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs If the price is right, I'd be interested... How many? Mike Hammett wrote: Is there much of a market for used RB133Cs? I have a few of them that I discovered don't have enough enough memory, so I have been replacing them with higher memory units. I figured I'd sell them instead of put them on a shelf or throw them away. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect)
I can address The first part. I am having issues with one very Old AP w 2.9.51. It was a RB112. I used the 3.15 they had out there for the 100 series. Once we had that on the NAT failed. Had to down grade back to the 2.9.51. Haven't resolved it yet. There were lots of fixed wireless devices that were getting the disconnect issue 2.4 and 5.8. However not sure that it would affect a hotspot connection the same in that those clients constantly testing for connection and disconnecting anyway as they move around. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) Did this effect 2.9 also, or just 3.x? I still have a lot of 2.9 AP's out there... Not really a complaint but I do have some network anomalies out there that I'm wondering if this is the solution. Also, did this effect standard 802.11 2.4 wifi or just Tranzeo/other CPE types? - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) Yes I uploaded 3.15 to all my AP's and it fixed it also. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Great Job Mikrotik!!! (Fixed Disconnect) First time I have ever seen my Mikrotik AP with the Tranzeo clients with uptime that started with greater than 3 hr. I Uploaded the new 3.15 OS to 2 of my AP's last Thursday and now the up time shows 3d 18:25:00. I also have happy customers. Good Job all who Helped MT see the problem and tested to get it fixed. Links Are below if you haven't uploaded the latest 3.15 OS. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service MikroTik RouterOS version 3.15 released! Changelog: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_rc Torrent files: http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-3.15.torrent Regular HTTP download: http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt.) Even I said it was not an issue and hey they just disconnect a few times a day.. who cares! (whoops! talk to my P** off customers!) Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains said the Tranzeo CPE were to blame (he convinced me to use Tranzeo over SmartBridges! Thank Goodness!) Travis from Idaho posted a forum entry here for Mtik to ignore or scoff at: (Hi Uldis!) http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 I emailed Damian and another gentleman from Tranzeo privately and said WTF kids? I did some network sniffing for them and was able to give EXACT details about what was happening, when and how. We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik (Ticket#2008091666000531): Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable reaction to a notification of a change of settings. Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1 (located here if you have trouble sleeping: (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *YAWN* let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it and play through. Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I mentioned something under my breath regarding CPQs and firware updates about 3 years ago... The nice gentleman engineer at Tranzeo placed some virtual CPE on a bench facing a Mtik AP and was able to reproduce the issue. He then released to me some very alpha firmware that would email him with a warning whenever a CPQ saw a zero frame. This alpha software would also IGNORE this frame and keep on trucking. This alpha firmware was given with the stern warning that if I changed ANYTHING on the AP I would have to really recycle it to make all the CPE realize there was a change. This poor engineer was probably overwhelmed when I installed this firmware on 110 CPQs in about an hour. I watched the log file generated by these emails and the events had to be happening in the hundreds per hour. Mtik was silent so I poked Uldis a bit with a comment about silence from Latvia and no National holidays I could see along with: While there is no specific _requirement_ to treat Zero as a reset, _most_ wireless CPE (including yours!) consider this to be a flag to reset. If you don't then when the card is reset, the client will ignore all of the changes until the time stamp the last one. This is the same as driving on the right side of the road. There is no _LAW_ saying you should do so, but you do because everyone else does! Perhaps there is a reason to drive on the left but not in this case! :) I even showed Mtik support that even THIER Mtik brand CPE were disconnecting in some instances! Mtik replied with a bit of beta software that seems to have helped. It is posted to the forum and only need be installed on APs. (remember CPE don't give out timestamps) This is the second or third iteration of this software. The Tranzeo engineer was receiving close to zero emails from my CPQ (A LOT LESS) and is still seeing an occasional zero here and there on the bench in Canada. He was doing a 72 hour test over the weekend but was
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
Fantastic after action / forensics report! It's the best one I have seen, and I have seen many of them, as well as produced hundreds. Good job! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, D. Ryan Spott wrote: (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! VERY good post. I'm glad you got it done. My hat's off to you AND Tranzeo for finding this rather irritating bug. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs
Gah! its what i get for being busy. Are they all going to be gone? =-) On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal! Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not done replacing them all, so I'm not sure how many I'll have when I'm done. I'm going to guess 10 - 15 boards. Would $30/each be fair? Just over half the price of a new RB411, depending on where you get it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB133Cs If the price is right, I'd be interested... How many? Mike Hammett wrote: Is there much of a market for used RB133Cs? I have a few of them that I discovered don't have enough enough memory, so I have been replacing them with higher memory units. I figured I'd sell them instead of put them on a shelf or throw them away. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt.) Even I said it was not an issue and hey they just disconnect a few times a day.. who cares! (whoops! talk to my P** off customers!) Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains said the Tranzeo CPE were to blame (he convinced me to use Tranzeo over SmartBridges! Thank Goodness!) Travis from Idaho posted a forum entry here for Mtik to ignore or scoff at: (Hi Uldis!) http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 I emailed Damian and another gentleman from Tranzeo privately and said WTF kids? I did some network sniffing for them and was able to give EXACT details about what was happening, when and how. We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik (Ticket#2008091666000531): Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable reaction to a notification of a change of settings. Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1 (located here if you have trouble sleeping: (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *YAWN* let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it and play through. Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I mentioned something under my breath regarding CPQs and firware updates about 3 years ago... The nice gentleman engineer at Tranzeo placed some virtual CPE on a bench facing a Mtik AP and was able to reproduce the issue. He then released to me some very alpha firmware that would email him with a warning whenever a CPQ saw a zero frame. This alpha software would also IGNORE this frame and keep on trucking. This alpha firmware was given with the stern warning that if I changed ANYTHING on the AP I would have to really recycle it to make all the CPE realize there was a change. This poor engineer was probably overwhelmed when I installed this firmware on 110 CPQs in about an hour. I watched the log file generated by these emails and the events had to be happening in the hundreds per hour. Mtik was silent so I poked Uldis a bit with a comment about silence from Latvia and no National holidays I could see along with: While there is no specific _requirement_ to treat Zero as a reset, _most_ wireless CPE (including yours!) consider this to be a flag to reset. If you don't then when the card is reset, the client will ignore all of the changes until the time stamp the last one. This is the same as driving on the right side of the road. There is no _LAW_ saying you should do so, but you do because everyone else does! Perhaps there is a reason to drive on the left but not in this case! :) I even showed Mtik support that even THIER Mtik brand CPE were disconnecting in some
