Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
No, but it has 8 wayside T1s. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, agreed, but maybe thats part of the misunderstanding What guarantees that most Telcos E911 links are on 6Ghz and not on 11G or 18Ghz? What gaurantees that 6Ghz gets used for E911 instead of to transport DSL for all your residential subs? Are providers really choosing 6Ghz first

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
Brad, I would encourage you to find 5 cases where 11GHz secondary license holders had to upgrade dishes. From what I understand it hasn't happened more than once or twice... doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. I'm going to be helping a customer deploy an 11Ghz 2ft dish link (would be 18GHz if

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup

2008-11-06 Thread Gino Villarini
Thanks, The manual I have obn hand is a pre release one, lots of info is missing... Got the latest available? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
On its way off list. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Thanks, The manual I have obn hand is a

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Daniel, A license from the FCC is typically 10yrs on the frequencies we are speaking of. How long has the secondary license option been available? Not very long or nearly long enough to conclude it hasn't or won't become an issue. With the rate that we are seeing licensed links being

Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email

2008-11-06 Thread Frank Muto
Likewise. When we shut down our dial-up in 2002, we kept the mail service going with the domain our users had for almost 5 years, charging $60 annually, including Postini. We also do a good amount of backup email services all completely outsourced from multiple providers. Frank Muto

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
Brad, Your right... I think its only been available for 2 years or so... so I guess it could become more of an issue. I had a long conversation with a few of the guys over at Micronet... they told me that between all of the guys over there, they had never seen a secondary license be forced to

Re: [WISPA] Theoretical TVWS coverage

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Oh, I don't argue against the fact that there is signal present and can interfere with other systems beyond what I consider usable. I was just saying I don't think we're going to be able to efficiently have systems that go 50 miles. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I agree somewhat on the licensed gear needing to step it up a bit. Chuck refers to needing 100 MHz (a pair of 50 MHz channels) to do a licensed link, and I've never seen one do more than 600 mbit after you add on a whole bunch more IDU\ODU combinations on a single antenna. Orthogon does 300

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
The licensed stuff is not frequency hopping or spread spectrum. It is generally big time QAM with tons of margin. Like 40 dB+ of margin. Part 90 and Part 101 radios have been around for a very long time, way back before microprocessors. So spectral efficiency is not the name of the game

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've always liked the idea of allowing smaller antennas on systems that have ATPC. That would allow for much smaller fade margins. By using lower power levels I think that there would be even less stray signal than there is with 6' dishes. Especially on the back side of the links. marlon

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflol Too true. Have you ever offered to sell one of them a T-1 instead of a best effort DSL typer service? Any takers? Nope. None here either. marlon - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05,

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Mike, Apples and oranges. You cannot compare UL best effort gear to carrier class licensed gear. Two different worlds...both clearly have their place. Chuck touches on this in another post. While I've never personally deployed an Orthogon radio (only stood by looking over another's

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Interesting as the guys at Micronet advised us not to consider secondary licenses. Why do it when a secondary license could put you in an undesirable position at some time in the future? The fewer surprises the better, IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread lakeland
Anyone want to buy 13 bad Orthogon power supplies??? ;-) Can't compare the two. Orthogon is sales bandwidth. Licensed is true bandwidth -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:41:59 To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email

2008-11-06 Thread RickG
We do that as well. -RickG On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a rule, we give leaving residentials 30 days on their email. We often get them back within that time. RickG wrote: OK guys. I've never had this happen before so I'm not usre what to do. I've

Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers

2008-11-06 Thread Matt
Nothing, if you own the fiber. I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate? Matt We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no latency to speak of there. From our Canopy sub to our NOC I would say 7 is what most get. Wish we could afford Dragonwave or fiber to

Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email

2008-11-06 Thread RickG
As a follow up. I have decided to charge him $5/month per email as long as it is prepaid for the length of time he wants to keep it. Thanks to all for your suggestions. It was very helpful! -RickG On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally without an

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't understand why ATPC isn't a regulatory requirement for all two-way communications. It just makes sense. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not saying use a 6 GHz licensed radio on an Orthogon, but make some steps towards improving spectral efficiency. For the cost of licensed radios, you'd think they'd put some money into RD. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Note on secondary license Its not exactly like it sounds. The secondary license just means there are different threshhold values of hearing/transmitting interference that need to be accommodated or prevented. These values are still many times better than what someone might have with

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
You are forgetting that the licensed links are Full Duplex delivering twice the capacity. And you can't forget that the Orthogon often has to use two polarities to get the speed/quality. The newer Licensed gear can do 256QAM effectively, and get 380mbps on that 50mhz channel. (Trango Apex or

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Allthough I understand your conservative concept for reliabilty. Isn't it a bit selfish? You could allow double the number of possible links, cutting your channel size in have, using higher modulation, and still maintain 5-9reliabilty, if you switched to new technology. Making that change,

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually. when comparing 5.x UL to 6G licensed, there is no functional difference in technology. There is NO reason a 6ghz radio can't be made as efficient as a Orthogon 5.x. Licensed just gives protection from interference at very low noise threshhold. It does not change the characteristics

Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Are you wanting to have a dissertation of FCC part 36 separations and settlements and the uniform system of accounts? Or perhaps NECA Tariff 5? My answer was a philosophical answer. The making of the sausage is ugly. But at the end of the day, all accounts are settled. - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I didn't write the book. I read it. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Allthough I understand your

[WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, Since I've not seen any political discussions here of late I'm guessing that most folks were just as discussed at the choices as I was. Anyone have any thoughts as to what the next 2 to 4 years will be like for us? marlon

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Charles Wyble
I'm glad the whitespace spectrum was approved. I hear tell our new fearless leader wants to appoint a CIO for the country. That undoubtedly means even more regulation, process and red tape. Just read any large companies CIO blog. Ugh. I'm hoping that WISPs will be able to bid on contracts for

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Well it's certainly clear that our taxes will be going up. Hope everyone enjoys it. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT election

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Charles Wyble
Brad, You are 100% correct. Taxes up. Markets haven't reacted well at all to the choice for our new leader. Not at all. Brad Belton wrote: Well it's certainly clear that our taxes will be going up. Hope everyone enjoys it. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Travis Johnson
Our taxes may go up, but we get free gas and don't have to pay our mortgage payments any more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI I wonder what's going to happen when people come back to the real world and realize Obama isn't going to pay their mortgages for them? Travis Microserv

[WISPA] 1.9ghz?

2008-11-06 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I wasn't aware you could get a cordless phone that operates in 1.9ghz??? Uniden DECT2080-2 shows it operates in the interference free cordless frequency. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Jack Unger
I agree 100% (or even 110%) That is O.T. This clearly is NOT a list for political discussions but I can send you a fine list of political sites where politics are discussed 24/7. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Since I've not seen any political discussions here of late I'm guessing that

Re: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Yep, pretty cool huh? We recommend only DECT 6.0 and that is the only thing we stock in our store. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?

Re: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?

2008-11-06 Thread Josh Luthman
I believe Plantroincs uses 1.9ghz too On 11/6/08, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, pretty cool huh? We recommend only DECT 6.0 and that is the only thing we stock in our store. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Our taxes may go up, but we get free gas and don't have to pay our mortgage payments any more Not sure where the list daddy is, but this needs to go to another list. It doesn't matter how we feel about the election (I have my opinions, too, and

Re: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Yes, the DECT phones are great! I've had a Uniden set for about a year or more. I think I've got five or six handsets throughout the house. They are a bit older in design (no keypad backlight), but the newer styles are pretty slick. Definitely go for DECT when it comes to cordless phones IMO.

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Charles Wyble
Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% (or even 110%) That is O.T. This clearly is NOT a list for political discussions but I can send you a fine list of political sites where politics are discussed 24/7. Certainly. Yet a lot of the things on this list go off in various tangents. :) We're

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
fair enough. I'm trying to re-write it Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well it's certainly clear that our taxes will be going up That depends on who We is. Money has to be made before taxes can be paid on it :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Taxes are the least of my concern, at this point. My concern is what will happen to the Lending/Financial market? Will it be easier or harder to get financing for WISP expansion (lease or capitol purchases)? What will happen to our real estate assets? Will banks recognize the fair value of

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
Probably depends on who you are dealing with... :-) In a practical sense you shouldn't have to deploy 11GHz secondary as 18GHz fits that bill nicely. But in most of Colorado (and Washington DC) it is either impossible or very difficult to deploy 18GHz gear. So its either 4' 23GHz or take the

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
Makes you wonder... if the Orthogon guys are building the new Moto licensed product... what might they do? :-) That is a happy thought Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 06,

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread ccooper
Hi All, Since I've not seen any political discussions here of late I'm guessing that most folks were just as discussed at the choices as I was. Anyone have any thoughts as to what the next 2 to 4 years will be like for us? So Jesus, Barack Obama and Boy George walk into a bar Oh

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, it is a happy thought from a technical perspective. Just hope they don't put the Orthogon price tag on it :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods* DECT is a cordless phone protocol that operates in its own band. It's just recently starting to catch on here in the states, but it has been quite popular in Europe. It's very advanced too... you can have repeaters, multiple APs, etc kinda like WIFI, but for phones. --

Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers

2008-11-06 Thread Sam Tetherow
lol Travis Johnson wrote: Separate pockets, same pair of pants. Travis Microserv Matt wrote: Nothing, if you own the fiber. I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate? Matt We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no latency to speak of there.

Re: [WISPA] OT election results

2008-11-06 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Sam Tetherow wrote: I will bring this back on topic by bringing up the FCC seats that will change with the new administration. Does anyone have any thoughts on who will get appointed to the FCC and what effect it will have on us? I have my hopes...I don't have a good