Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[reader]

I've got territory ranging from a town of 35K to open wheat fields to 
rolling to tall mountains heavily forested.

I can find no particular need for, and in fact, find that low frequency 
backhauls are at least sometimes self-defeating, due to huge Fresnel zones, 
for instance.   What I need, in particular, is "smallish" cells that are 
good for 1-4 miles and go through lots of trees and don't need to be mounted 
high above the ground.

I also need the same 1-2 mile wide cells that can go through urban, heavily 
tree'd areas, where I can't have tall masts or CPE antennas.What I need 
for backhauls is stuff that's good for 10 to 30 miles w/20 to 30 mbit 
throughput capability.

And, I need at least 8, prefer 10 to 15 mbit total capacity per AP, though I 
expect only 3-15 clients per AP.I need QOS which gives me good VOIP call 
quality and the ability to control bandwidth at the CPE end.


And I need to be able to install this with cpe cost under 300 dollars.   And 
AP cost less than 500.


I've been using Ubiquiti 900 stuff for some of this, but it has serious 
limitations at 900 mhz.





- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul


>I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul 
>operations in the whitespaces.
>
> To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is this 
> at all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[John Scrivner]

>
> I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes.  Aren't sectors going to be
> huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna?


To be clear, TVWS is different than 700 MHz. The 700 MHz band sold at
auction. TVWS is lower in frequency which will mean even larger antennas for
equivalent gain. The physics of it all do not change. The size will be what
it is for the gain you want. It is easy to envision we will see 1 watt
radios with 6 db antennas which related to 4 watts EIRP. Even at the lower
frequencies the 6 db antenna will be a manageable size. I am guessing the
best systems will have lower radio power and higher antenna gain in order to
increase receive sensitivity (with very large antennas). These are just my
thoughts though.


>  I am also concerned about the
> CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot
> more wind issues at the client.


Once again, the physics determine the size antenna required for a given
gain. At the lower TV frequencies the ability to produce higher power radios
at lower cost should offset likely reduced antenna gains.
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[Josh Luthman]

I don't recall the exact length but we have an enormous fiberglass 450
mhz omni on our tower.  At least 12 ft and it withstood the hurricane
of Ohio with 60 mph winds a few months back.

On 11/17/08, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available
> for PTP.  700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion.
>
> I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes.  Aren't sectors going to be
> huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna?  I am also concerned about the
> CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot
> more wind issues at the client.
>
> Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come.  I
> appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee.
>
> We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas
> now.  Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave
> reviews.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
>
> I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP
> backhaul operations in the whitespaces.
>
> To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is
> this at all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[Blair Davis]

At these freqs, I'd suspect that yagi's will be the best choice for
cpe's.

Steve Barnes wrote:

  Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available
for PTP.  700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion.  

I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes.  Aren't sectors going to be
huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna?  I am also concerned about the
CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot
more wind issues at the client.

Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come.  I
appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee.  

We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas
now.  Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave
reviews.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP
backhaul operations in the whitespaces.

To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is
this at all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.


-
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[Steve Barnes]

Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available
for PTP.  700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion.  

I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes.  Aren't sectors going to be
huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna?  I am also concerned about the
CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot
more wind issues at the client.

Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come.  I
appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee.  

We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas
now.  Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave
reviews.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP
backhaul operations in the whitespaces.

To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is
this at all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.


-
Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[John Scrivner]

We have been fighting it. Towerstream seems to have somehow created a
perception that they are justified in this desire to set aside TVWS spectrum
for this inefficient use. We have been fighting it and we will continue to
do so.
Scriv


On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul
> operations in the whitespaces.
>
> To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is this
> at all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.
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Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL

[RickG]

I agree Tom. But, as with all technolgies, they mature and improve. I
think the biggest advantage of BPL is that the transport (grid) is
already there. Plug & play!
BTW: In every meeting I ever went to, when the electric companies
chose the vendor, it was usually Main-net and/or Amperion. Why?
Because they didnt jumper around the transformer. Jumping from MV to
LV is a huge safety concern for them.
-RickG

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BPL works... But sure it doesn;t work to its expectations.
> Sure you have to repeat it, bypassing transformers and such, maybe as you
> say every 1000feet or what ever.
> Part of the Cirrent technology's solution was to make the devices to easily
> jump over (bypass) the transformers and such.
>
> However the relevent question is not "whether it works", its whether its
> cost effective to deploy, and whether it can scale to the level to justify
> the cost.
> I beleive the answer is "no".
>
> The concept of Powerline, is that the Wire is already there, and the
> provider saves money and time, by not having to deploy a "New Wire", or any
> complicated "fiber termiantion devices".
> This concept is flawed, in most cases.  The reason is... Fiber is no longer
> a mystery to most, and fiber labor and fiber cable is no longer the huge
> cost it used to be. In many cases, its less expensive to buy and deploy the
> fiber, than it is to pay the line man labor to install the jumpers to bypass
> transformers. So why limit to the boddle necks of MV/HV Power line?
>
> Thats why I said that Powerline is best as a solution coupled with other
> solutions. Using the Powerline component ONLY where there are specific cases
> that make it more affordable for that specific case or location.
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
>
>
>> What brands did you test? Mainnet's worked as promised for us. No, it
>> was not 500Mbps but 20+ is very cool.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> I read your post,  I was also involved in the testing.  They didn't hit
>>> their throughput nor did they achieve any of the interference mask
>>> parameters.  We tried several versions of this.  If you want 512kbps you
>>> can
>>> do it.  But Michael Powell was promising 500 mbps magically flowing
>>> through
>>> all the power lines and lighting up a whole city.
>>>
>>> You are not going to get bi directional 500 mbps on high voltage power
>>> lines
>>> (as promised by some) without causing unacceptable interference and
>>> regenerating the signal every 1000 feet.
>>>
>>> Secondary... as in low voltage... as in 240 volt single phase from
>>> transformer to the house does work.  Like I said homeplug is a very
>>> viable
>>> technology.  What some people call BPL is secondary BPL.  HV BPL is not
>>> going to be a viable backhaul technology for a variety of reasons.
>>>
>>> Yes, secondary BPL barely works with arguably acceptable (by some).  Show
>>> me
>>> a HV system that works as advertised.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
>>>
>>>
 Chuck,

 It's as though you didnt read my post!

 BPL works - with acceptable interference - I saw it with my own eyes
 along with dozens of skeptical ham operators. Theory does not matter,
 those issues are conquered. Seeing is believing.

 -RickG

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
> One huge reason, powerlines are not constant impedance to RF.  Nor are
> they
> balanced. This is like trying to pump natural gas down the water lines.
> Pipe, right?  What's the problem?
>
> It is never going to ever work as well as balanced transmission lines,
> let
> alone coax or fiber.  And it is going to leak so much that the American
> Red
> Cross in Afghanistan will be able to detect the static on their HF
> rigs.
> This has been proven time and time again.
>
> You can get BPL to work over a short range (like a mile) if it is
> running
> on
> a three phase line and the line is very balanced.  Once it hits a cap
> bank,
> regulator, transposition, transformer or anything, you have to
> terminate
> the
> signal and figure a way to bypass the obstruction.
>
> Once you put it on a single phase line you might as well go back to the
> old
> G-Line concept (another oddity that ultimately failed).  Really BPL is
> nothing more than G-Line.  As long as you don't care about vomiting all
> over
> the RF spectrum you can do whatever y

[WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

[Mike Hammett]

I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul 
operations in the whitespaces.

To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments...  Is this at 
all necessary?  I don't see why it would be.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Blair Davis]

Ubquity?  Some kind of mini-pci card?

Charles Wyble wrote:

  Mike Hammett wrote:
  
  
Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
  

  
  
Indeed!

Who would the likely vendors in this space be?

Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
to your questions as well.


  
  
Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!  Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
  

  
  
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks for catching that...it must not have been updated when the grant
was received.  The PTP3 is in fact certified for US operation.

Internationally, it can operate from 3.3GHz to 3.7GHz.

-Harold

On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:53 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US 
> operation.
> 
> I do like the price point. I like it very much.
> 
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> > Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Sam Tetherow]

According to their product specification sheet they have FCC/CE 
certification and a US operating range of 3.650 - 3.675 GHz

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Charles Wyble wrote:
> Jason,
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US 
> operation.
>
> I do like the price point. I like it very much.
>
>
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>> Ligowave 
>>
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>> Behalf Of Charles Wyble
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:43 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
>>
>>
>> Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?
>>
>> Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current
>> players?
>>
>> Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Charles Wyble]

Jason Hensley wrote:
> How do you get that from that link?  They just recently received FCC
> approval in the band, so I'm sure they're legal.  
>   

They just updated that link. I got an e-mail back from sales apologizing for
overlooking the update.  :)

Thank you for the reference. I will be talking with them and hopefully 
purchasing
some radios soon.




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Jason Hensley]

How do you get that from that link?  They just recently received FCC
approval in the band, so I'm sure they're legal.  

 

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Jason,

Thanks for that.

According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US
operation.

I do like the price point. I like it very much.


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> Ligowave
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>
>
> Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?
>
> Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the 
> current players?
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Gino Villarini]

With all the specs to comply  Its going to be a difficult one... Not
as easy as downshifting a 802.11a radio 


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-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

Ultimately, I imagine anyone that has a product we use now will be
there. 
First?  Ubiquiti, no doubt.  They are very fast at developing products
and already have a product for the 700 MHz band with really no users,
although 700 MHz is a different animal than 50 - 690.


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> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear 
>> from the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>
>
> Indeed!
>
> Who would the likely vendors in this space be?
>
> Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers

> to your questions as well.
>
>
>> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information 
>> yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across 
>> (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and
we have won!
>> Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of 
>> power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have 
>> everywhere else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
>>
>
> Yep!
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Mike Hammett]

Ultimately, I imagine anyone that has a product we use now will be there. 
First?  Ubiquiti, no doubt.  They are very fast at developing products and 
already have a product for the 700 MHz band with really no users, although 
700 MHz is a different animal than 50 - 690.


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From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
>> the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>
>
> Indeed!
>
> Who would the likely vendors in this space be?
>
> Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
> to your questions as well.
>
>
>> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
>> but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only 
>> to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
>> Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, 
>> while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere 
>> else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
>>
>
> Yep!
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Travis Johnson]

My guess is 12 months before anything is shipping.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown wrote:

  Motorola is likely to be first out of the chute.  But none of them were 
putting the final touches on anything until the rules were published.  Now 
they have to finish their products, do type approvals, do beta tests, then 
perhaps we will see some new tools to use.  I'll bet it will be 6 months or 
a year before anybody is shipping any quantity of anything.

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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


  
  
Mike Hammett wrote:


  Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?

  

Indeed!

Who would the likely vendors in this space be?

Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
to your questions as well.




  Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only 
to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, 
while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere 
else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!

  

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Charles Wyble]

Jason,

Thanks for that.

According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US 
operation.

I do like the price point. I like it very much.


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> Ligowave 
>
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>
> Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?
>
> Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current
> players?
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> Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax.
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Jason Hensley]

Ligowave 

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Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?

Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current
players?

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[WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Charles Wyble]

Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?

Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the 
current players?

Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax.



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Re: [WISPA] Navini

[Jason Hensley]

???
 

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Thanks Bill. 


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Subject: [WISPA] Navini

Anyone out there still have an older navini system in place?  If so, I need
some assistance if someone has a minute or two. 
 
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Chuck McCown]

Motorola is likely to be first out of the chute.  But none of them were 
putting the final touches on anything until the rules were published.  Now 
they have to finish their products, do type approvals, do beta tests, then 
perhaps we will see some new tools to use.  I'll bet it will be 6 months or 
a year before anybody is shipping any quantity of anything.

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
>> the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>
>
> Indeed!
>
> Who would the likely vendors in this space be?
>
> Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
> to your questions as well.
>
>
>> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
>> but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only 
>> to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
>> Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, 
>> while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere 
>> else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
>>
>
> Yep!
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Charles Wyble]

Mike Hammett wrote:
> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the 
> vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>   

Indeed!

Who would the likely vendors in this space be?

Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
to your questions as well.


> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, but 
> this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having 
> unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!  Congrats.  It 
> appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 
> watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at 
> these frequencies will carry!
>   

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Re: [WISPA] Navini

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks Bill. 


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[WISPA] Navini

[Jason Hensley]

Anyone out there still have an older navini system in place?  If so, I need
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Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?

[Blair Davis]

good riddance!!

David E. Smith wrote:

  
I would buy one today if I could.

  
  
But if everyone bought these, where would we get those power lines for 
BPL? :)


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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Tom DeReggi]

Brian,

PS. I originally missed that you had posted the kmz file. I just went back 
and found it. Thanks!

Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


> Everyone remember that I sent out a Google Earth file of what should be 
> most
> of the digital TV footprint in America after February. That is subject to
> change of course but it's close. You would use that tool to find available
> channels in your area. It works great because you can turn on the channel
> above and below your channel of interest (the adjacent channels). If when
> you turn on all three channels there are no contours in the market of
> interest, you have available spectrum!
>
> Open the file in Google Earth, turn off the whole layer, expand the folder
> and turn them on one by one.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>
>
> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
> the
> vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>
> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
> but
> this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to
> having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
> Congrats.
> It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 
> 4
> watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at
> these frequencies will carry!
>
> Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are doing in the wireless world
> when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in
> frequency?
>
>
> -
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

There are none in mine but I know we can receive DTV as I have setup a
few dozen people with converters/antennas.
How long before some hardware is available? What happens if I fire up on
channel X and take out the neighbors very
weakly received DTV channel, even tho its marked as clear here? Some
people have very large DTV antennas that get
stations from 100+ miles off. They are not in the expected reception
zone and I assume any gear I turn up would degrade
what is already a very bad signal. Is that in direct violation of the
rules or just the spirit of it? Still some 22's out there it
looks like.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Wow, there was only one in my area at all.
>
> That means it should be quite open, right?
>
> I've got a ton of areas that need this kind of stuff.   Extremely rural 
> areas out in the woods and a little in-town stuff that's hard to cover due 
> to trees.
>
> Even my 900 stuff didn't go past 5  blocks in my testing.
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>
>
>   
>> Everyone remember that I sent out a Google Earth file of what should be 
>> most
>> of the digital TV footprint in America after February. That is subject to
>> change of course but it's close. You would use that tool to find available
>> channels in your area. It works great because you can turn on the channel
>> above and below your channel of interest (the adjacent channels). If when
>> you turn on all three channels there are no contours in the market of
>> interest, you have available spectrum!
>>
>> Open the file in Google Earth, turn off the whole layer, expand the folder
>> and turn them on one by one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>>
>>
>> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
>> the
>> vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>
>> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
>> but
>> this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to
>> having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
>> Congrats.
>> It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 
>> 4
>> watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at
>> these frequencies will carry!
>>
>> Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are doing in the wireless world
>> when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in
>> frequency?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
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[WISPA] FCC Adopted Rules For Unlicensed Use of Television White

[Rick Harnish]

IN THE MATTER OF UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS, ADDITIONAL
SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3

GHZ BAND.   FCC Adopted Rules For Unlicensed Use of Television White

Spaces. (Dkt No.  02-380, 04-186). Action by:  the Commission. Adopted:

11/04/2008 by R&O. (FCC No. 08-260).  OET


































 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[reader]

Wow, there was only one in my area at all.

That means it should be quite open, right?

I've got a ton of areas that need this kind of stuff.   Extremely rural 
areas out in the woods and a little in-town stuff that's hard to cover due 
to trees.

Even my 900 stuff didn't go past 5  blocks in my testing.





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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


> Everyone remember that I sent out a Google Earth file of what should be 
> most
> of the digital TV footprint in America after February. That is subject to
> change of course but it's close. You would use that tool to find available
> channels in your area. It works great because you can turn on the channel
> above and below your channel of interest (the adjacent channels). If when
> you turn on all three channels there are no contours in the market of
> interest, you have available spectrum!
>
> Open the file in Google Earth, turn off the whole layer, expand the folder
> and turn them on one by one.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>
>
> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from 
> the
> vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>
> Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, 
> but
> this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to
> having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! 
> Congrats.
> It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 
> 4
> watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at
> these frequencies will carry!
>
> Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are doing in the wireless world
> when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in
> frequency?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

[Tom DeReggi]

Daniel,

Comments inline...

> But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio.

Which is enough, for many Fixed applications.

>   Fixed devices cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at 
> reduced EIRP (which I
> can't recall what that was).

Which is just about what WISPA asked for and agreed to in its proposals.
Unlicensed use of Adjacenet channels was limited to 40 watts.

However, I'll argue that WISPA was agreeing to that, because we were also 
asking for 20watts.
Non-adjacenet channel use will be fine for 80% of America, but it does leave 
Eastcoast/Urban surrounding suburbs WISPs out without much spectrum.
This is a huge victory for Rural America, to have spectrum quickly. But we 
also need to remember the URban WISPs that took a back seat for the good of 
all, and thank them by our contribution to Phase Two of the Whitespace 
debates.  The FCC is allowing additional comments to discuss the use of 
"Sensing" as the technology improves and proven worthy, as well as 
additional comments on higher power for fixed and such.  We need to try and 
include in these talks the use of Adjacent bands for Fixed Operations in the 
east coast, IF they can adhere to the same strict requirement to prevent 
interference.  Fixed PtMP applications may be able to be engineered for 
non-interference, and should not be restrcited from doing so on 
Non-adjacenet channels when there is a geo-loaction-database, and 
requirement for hardware to announce its location or owners, atleast not at 
mid-range power (say 1 watt EIRP), so providers can developsolutions to 
interact with personal portable/mobile devices.

> Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much
> that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with
> interference issues)
>
> So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry...
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
>
> I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got 
> the
>
> ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20 watts 
> we'd
> asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.
>
> Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with the
> tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.
>
> I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The Report
> and Order is 130 pages long!
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Brian Webster]

Everyone remember that I sent out a Google Earth file of what should be most
of the digital TV footprint in America after February. That is subject to
change of course but it's close. You would use that tool to find available
channels in your area. It works great because you can turn on the channel
above and below your channel of interest (the adjacent channels). If when
you turn on all three channels there are no contours in the market of
interest, you have available spectrum!

Open the file in Google Earth, turn off the whole layer, expand the folder
and turn them on one by one.



Thank You,
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www.wirelessmapping.com 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the
vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?

Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, but
this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to
having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!  Congrats.
It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4
watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at
these frequencies will carry!

Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are doing in the wireless world
when we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in
frequency?


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[WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Mike Hammett]

Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the 
vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?

Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information yet, but 
this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having 
unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!  Congrats.  It 
appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts 
(which is pretty much what we have everywhere else).  Four watts at these 
frequencies will carry!

Who cares what Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are doing in the wireless world when 
we have unlicensed frequencies at an acceptable power and lower in frequency?


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Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL

[Scottie Arnett]

Yep, at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few, IMHO.

Scottie

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>Basically, except for a few viable installations still running, BPL
>was killed in it's infancy. Too bad.
>-RickG
>
>On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Jonathan Schmidt
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "You are correct, electric companies saw huge benefits for internal use
>> but the real reason it did not move forward was because electric companies
>> are conservative by nature and they didnt like the heat coming from the
>> ARRL over interference issues, which btw were not real."
>>
>> The interference is real.  The ARRL is real and very conservative.  And,
>> any conductor carrying RF that isn't a proper, geometrically arranged
>> transmission line, properly terminated in the proper impedance, will
>> radiate and radiate most of its RF energy.  Where do you think that goes?
>> And, where do stubs dissipate their RF?...into the 4th dimension?
>>
>> Were it not for careful oversight of the spectrum, we would be back in the
>> stone ages with AM and FM and TV because of interference.  Police and fire
>> radios would be hit and miss.  Our licensed and unlicensed spectrum would
>> be a mess.
>>
>> Blasting the HF spectrum into random lengths of conductors and stubs at
>> watts of power has proved to be nasty.  It isn't just the ARRL...the
>> courts have decided that.
>>
>> It isn't just RF on the power lines, either.  You can hear DSL
>> interference in neighborhoods with overhead telephone wiring on poles when
>> you try to listen to local AM stations at night when they are forced to
>> drop their power.  The political influence of the Telcos to force through
>> their agenda may be followed by that of the electric companies but it
>> won't be to our advantage.
>>
>> They have the right of way, the poles, and the money.  Stringing a fiber
>> along the poles along with the wiring would seem to be a far better and
>> long term strategy than to pretend that wires are wires and that 60Hz is
>> the same as 600,000Hz and the ground return and distribution are
>> compatible architectures.
>>
>> The entire concept is pseudo-science, appealing to those who are easily
>> fooled into thinking wishes become true because it sorta makes sense.
>>
>> Jonathan Schmidt
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Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?

[Mike Hammett]

Give the maintenance guys Flash drives?


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>
>> I would buy one today if I could.
>
> But if everyone bought these, where would we get those power lines for
> BPL? :)
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

[Jack Unger]

Yep. I'm still reading too but so far it looks like we got 90% of what 
we asked for. My reading continues...

3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'm about 30 pages in or so... and realized I should be taking notes... I
> hope to finish it in the next few days too.
>
> But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio.  Fixed devices
> cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at reduced EIRP (which I
> can't recall what that was).
>
> Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much
> that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with
> interference issues)
>
> So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry...
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
>
> I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the
>
> ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20 watts we'd 
> asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.
>
> Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with the 
> tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.
>
> I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The Report 
> and Order is 130 pages long!
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?

[reader]

Just to clear things up:

The EPA has not yet accepted these, but the type of device is not 
susceptible to melting down, blowing up, or anything else like that.   The 
"module" you are seeing is just the reactor, and it is JUST a heat generator 
to make steam.   You need a building to house the steam turbine required to 
make electricity, otherwise it's nothing other than a steam geyser :)

So, you need a turbine, which is a smallish gymnasium sized building, some 
cooling modules, which will be the size of a semi-truck each.   It should 
run between 7 and 10 years between refueling, and the fuel is not 
sufficiently potent to be military grade and can't easily be made into 
military grade.The fuel is sufficiently low-grade that refueling is 
considered "easy" and the "waste" can be reprocesssed back into fuel.   5 
year's waste is the size of a baseball.  The cooling modules could be done 
without if you have, say, sea water or some other source of cooling.   You 
need to condense the steam from the turbine to re-use the water.

The reactor has no moving parts, and if it were dug up and exposed to air, 
it would simply cool off some - not burn, catch fire, or anything similar. 
Once you put it in the ground and put the fuel in it, it's too hot 
(temperature) to handle it.   It could not be dug up and hauled away by 
someone wanting to steal it - at least not the fuel.

The steam turbines are very conventional, and can be operated and serviced 
by conventional means.   The reactor is self-limited by heat.  That is, if 
you turn off the water, it doesn't overheat, it just slows to a stop until 
you cool it down by throwing water at it.

The EPA has not had anything submitted to it, yet, for type acceptance. 
However, I've read that several of this kind of reactor are in existence and 
have been operated for research purposes for some time now and they are 
pretty much idiot-proof.   The worst you can do is blow a steam pipe and 
leak hot steam into the building.  The company is highly confident that 
govermental approval by the various agencies can be easily gotten once it 
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

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www.fcc.gov

Gino Villarini wrote:
> Link? 
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> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
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> Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces
>
> I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got
> the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20
> watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.
>
> Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with
> the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.
>
> I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The
> Report and Order is 130 pages long!
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Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?

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> I would buy one today if I could.

But if everyone bought these, where would we get those power lines for 
BPL? :)


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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

[3-dB Networks]

I'm about 30 pages in or so... and realized I should be taking notes... I
hope to finish it in the next few days too.

But I agree... 4 watts EIRP... 1 watt out of the radio.  Fixed devices
cannot use adjacent channels... but portable can at reduced EIRP (which I
can't recall what that was).

Automatic power control is mandated in fixed devices... I wonder how much
that is going to bring up the cost of the CPE (but should help with
interference issues)

So far it looks like a win for the WISP industry...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:10 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the

ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20 watts we'd 
asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.

Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with the 
tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.

I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The Report 
and Order is 130 pages long!
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

[Gino Villarini]

Link? 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:10 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] TV whitespaces

I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got
the ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20
watts we'd asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.

Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with
the tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.

I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The
Report and Order is 130 pages long!
marlon





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[WISPA] TV whitespaces

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've not been through much of the document yet, but it looks like we got the 
ability to run fixed unlicensed wireless at 4 watts.  Not the 20 watts we'd 
asked for, but much better than the rumored 100mw.

Personal portable devices ARE limited to 100mw.  That should help with the 
tragedy of the commons at least somewhat.

I'll try to get done with the reading in the next week or so.  The Report 
and Order is 130 pages long!
marlon




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