Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
Drew, I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got out of the southern United States a few times. As a matter of fact, I thought Vegas hung the moon! I am not sure where you hail from, but can you give us an idea of what your upstream cost are? That makes ALL

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Drew Lentz
Obviously upstream costs vary depending on where you are located. That isn't the whole issue here. At the last wisp we built out, we were accessing dual DS-3s at 2 central points and distributing them via 155Mbps radios throughout 6000 square miles. We found the lowest cost upstream provider at

[WISPA] Platypus guru needed

2008-11-25 Thread Gino Villarini
Hello We need a Platypus guru (sorta) for some remote help in configuring some options, We got Palt runnig for almost a year but we are not using the wombat feature for trouble ticket nor the web interface for customer care. We are looking for someone with experience in this to help us setup

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
I've always found the argument that Canopy is a poor steward of the spectrum interesting... Canopy allows channel reuse with GPS sync. Canopy is also more likely to deliver that same sustained throughput in a variety of conditions no 802.11 based system will. If I also started thinking about it

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
Can you please explain to me how Trango is 1/3 the price of Canopy? Last time I checked with was roughly the same price. Daniel White 3-dB Networks _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:08 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Is the 400 series available? And where? 3-dB Networks wrote: I've always found the argument that Canopy is a poor steward of the spectrum interesting... Canopy allows channel reuse with GPS sync. Canopy is also more likely to deliver that same sustained throughput in a variety of

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Gino Villarini
everywere , we have about 5 APs deployed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I just can't find it on peoples websites... Gino Villarini wrote: everywere , we have about 5 APs deployed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
What if your competitor isn't GPS sync'd? Or what if they want to do 80/20 on the down/uplink and we want to do 50/50? Travis Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: The very best reason to use canopy is because the competitors are using it. It can peacefully coexist with other systems due to gps sync. We

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
I didn't say Trango... ;) Mikrotik AP's can be built for $400 including your choice of antenna (omni, sector, etc.). That's 1/3 the price of a Canopy AP, and it delivers twice the bandwidth in the same spectrum. So I can install three seperate AP's for the same price as one Canopy AP. Also,

Re: [WISPA] Updated White Spaces mapping tool

2008-11-25 Thread Leon Zetekoff
Mike Hammett wrote: Are the stations going to change the channels once they vacate their analog ones? I thought I heard that once. Hi Mike...Yes..whatever their digital channel is they will move to. I think in some cases there could be a double move. Somewhere on the FCC site is a list of

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
What's your longest link? I have a Mikrotik ptmp link shooting 23 miles and getting 10Mbps of actual throughput (on a 10mhz channel). Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: everywere , we have about 5 APs deployed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Updated White Spaces mapping tool

2008-11-25 Thread Leon Zetekoff
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: All the stations were given an extra set of channels to fire up and operate the DTV transmitters. Mostly on UHF. This happened years ago and in this are we have been receiving a digital TV signal for about 8 years. Once the VHF analog transmitters are switched

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
never mind. The 400 series sounds great but at $2600 and ap and $600 for an su it's not for use residential providers. Brian Gino Villarini wrote: everywere , we have about 5 APs deployed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Canopy 100 and 200 started at those prices too. - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? never mind. The 400 series sounds great but at $2600 and

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I didn't make the $70/20mbps claim. $70 represents 1/3rd of canopy's SM price. 20 mbps represents twice a canopy 200 download speed. The claim was 1/3rd the price and twice the speed was a better way to go. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha $23/meg. Dude, you suck! Out here I pay 250/meg at one location and $140 per at another. That's JUST the bw. Tack on hundreds more for the pipe and it gets ugly fast. Century Tel has 3000/512 DSL for $50 per month for businesses. laters, marlon -

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, I have had to change my mind on Motorola recently. They no longer seem to be pushing for licensed at every turn. No one ever said they didn't make great gear marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
He was saying 3 meg DSL is $75/month. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread lakeland
Their tech support is clueless when it comes to the Orthogon Spectras. I have 2 radios that are bad but when we tell them what we have they insist that we must trouble shoot the radio over the phone first. That would be OK except one unit is dead and won't light up and the other unit I keep

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
From the article... To help get its next downloading box into homes, Blockbuster is selling it as part of a $99 package that includes 25 on-demand rentals. After that, Blockbuster will charge at least $1.99 for each downloaded video. I sure wouldn't bite. 8.99/mo + Internet for unlimited or 1.99

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Blockbuster just announced today that they are picking up the whip too. Bend over http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itAj9wGKAKlyNH4dMOR-wJUMz6 5QD94LV4000 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread John Valenti
One nice feature of this Blockbuster device is that it seems to download and store the video, so it doesn't rely on streaming. Also, I looked at their website and it seems like the good videos cost $3.99 (not 1.99). The videos did seem to be more recent than the ones Netflix offers. On Nov

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - they both of their small ups and downs. If I have to pay for storage it would bother me but I got the feeling they'll provide you with a unit that does the storage. With my WISP hat on I would prefer people to store the data

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Depends... If they send a higher quality file because it doesn't need to be in real time, it could take more bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

[WISPA] Calea compliance contractors

2008-11-25 Thread Christopher Orr
Hi all- I'm just curious if anyone has a contact for someone that is a CALEA compliance contractor. Essentially we are looking for a third party that can verify compliance. Hit me offlist, please. Regards, -chris

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I couldn't imagine the product would be very popular if you had to wait for the download to finish (or a long buffer time). My thought was if it is downloaded once, it is never downloaded again. How many of us watch the same movie multiple times? I know several people that watch a movie and

Re: [WISPA] Calea compliance contractors

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi Chris, Butch would be a good place to start. I've also cc'd the rest of the WISPA calea team. Maybe there are people on there that do things I don't know about. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

[WISPA] Airmux-200

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I am looking to get rid of our used and spare Airmux-200 radios. If anyone is looking for these please let me know! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry

Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points

2008-11-25 Thread tonylist
Josh https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-i.htm We can work with WISPA members at $89.99 for any qty. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] WiMax handoff from 3.65 to 2.5

2008-11-25 Thread Drew Lentz
Copypasta from Dailywireless.org: Link to story: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Airspan-Succeeds-First-Ever-Multi/stor y.aspx?guid=%7B2AD0C2CD-055D-479A-9492-E835F5ABAF3A%7D Airspan Networks announced today that it has successfully demonstrated seamless, uninterrupted handover from one

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
That's not fair :-) I didn't know we were talking Mikrotik. Yes other systems will support the same bandwidth at 1/3 the cost using the same amount of spectrum... But you can't get 150 customers on those AP's, or the same carrier to noise ratio... etc. You get what you pay for (as much as I

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
The comment was twice the bandwidth for 1/3rd the cost. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? That's not fair :-) I didn't know we were talking

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Travis Johnson
And that is still the case on a 20mhz channel, I can get 30Mbps of actual throughput on a Mikrotik AP that costs less than $400. Granted right now my biggest AP only has 50 customers, but we are going to push the limits and see how many we can actually handle (we are also only using 10mhz

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread RickG
I was charging high usage customers by the meg back in 1997 at the ISP I was GM of. The clients didnt mind as long as I capped it so there was not a huge surprise bill. I've always said it will end up that way just like most utilites. Anything that is unlimited is abused. Currently, with the ISP I

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
trango and have now given up on a successor to the product line. Allthough that is true... Its also important to note Even today, with the other newer more updated options out there When I have a choice. And I need to guarantee the link will work the first trip onsite, and I need

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread RickG
I used and loved Trango at the last WISP I owned/operated in West Palm. With my current operation, Tranzeo works well too and I'm starting to really enjoy MikroTik but nothing can replace my Trango! Maybe Ubiquiti. I 'm looking forward to the bullet. I hope it works well. Anyone get an early

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Many people have missed the boat on what the differenciating factor was for Trango Trango's value is not measured by throughput, but instead deployment methodology. Proceedure 1) Accept Customer Order. 2) Go Onsite for the First Time, or to teh Tower to deploy the AP side of needed.

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Truck roll: $50 MikroTik CPE: $200 Trango SU: $786 (as of Nov 26 2008 2AM) Repairing your Trango link without having to truck roll: *three times* the price of MikroTik and slow truck roll (no, not priceless - we live in a capitalist economy) Source:

[WISPA] Trango Apex

2008-11-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked! WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Drew Lentz
Rick, I got to get my hands on a couple of Bullets this past week. They work as expected with no real huge differences over the NS5s and PS5, operationally. I still prefer the PowerStations as clients personally because of the all in one package with a nice coupled antenna. I have still heard and

Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

2008-11-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd argue... why are you buying a 5830SU? There are some rare cases its needed, for example to intergrate with a 32db long range dish. But we stopped using those long ago. The 5580 w/ behive antrenna outperforms the 5830, and sub $300. And the new DSS dish for the 5580, is really cool, with