Re: [WISPA] CDN peering

2008-12-09 Thread George Rogato
Matt, how much is your bandwidth, say 100megs, in the Pittock? George Matt Liotta wrote: On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately they only have like 3 participants. Despite their lower participant

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: WISP Broadband

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Next year...it would be nice if they'd do a follow-on story about the story they missed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: WISP Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?

2008-12-09 Thread Mike Hammett
If Matt says it can be done, it can be done... even if he uses that... other... OS. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008

Re: [WISPA] ATT Cell Band

2008-12-09 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Wilson Electronics makes some of the best systems I know of. - Original Message - From: Mike Brownson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Cell Band Both of the guys below are ok for your home or

Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Barnes
I want to answer some of this from my perspective. Why is StarOS not used as much and not as widely available? SUPPORT!!! Valemont networks are hard people to deal with. You have to be immensely patient to get support and ignore some of what is stated by the support staff about how you are

Re: [WISPA] CDN peering

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
Any location within or very close to our market coverage we will build and install 100Mbps for $3600 MRC. Fiber lit locations and carrier hotels are way cheaper, but it depends on the address. There are WISPs who currently pay us $1000 MRC for a 100 meg commit on a GigE port at carrier

[WISPA] Illinois GUV running this survey

2008-12-09 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Redline 286 0.29% Alvarion 4030 4.15% Ubiquity 1778 1.83% Canopy 43767 45.09% Other 8326 8.58% Trango 11352 11.70% Tranzeo 12779 13.17% MT 14746 15.19% 97064 100.00% Responses 96

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Darn, so there isn't a good way to block it anymore. Butch Evans wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 21:11 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: It's a good thing I didn't get into being a voip provider. Shouldn't I be able to block it all now? All UDP? Nope. You have streaming

Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?

2008-12-09 Thread reader
I have to disagree with the below. There's a short, very steep curve at the bottom, but it's not as bad as one might think from his description. Compared to Mikrotik, it is the model of simplicity. I have used it for the vast majority of everything, from backhauls to ap's to clients, and I

[WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

2008-12-09 Thread Randy Cosby
I'm planning to upgrade from a 30 to 60 amp solar controller soon on one of our sites when we add more panels / batteries. This time I'd like to make sure I get a good, remotely-monitorable (is that a word?) unit. Any recommendations? Morningstar Tristar 60 looks good, but I'm not sure yet

Re: [WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
A complicated ridiculous way of doing it may be to take a Mikrotik motherboard (or any small board, but MT is probably the least cost) and use Linux+wine or virtualization/Xen to get a copy of windows running. Yay for products and their Windows only software... Hopefully someday Morningstar and

Re: [WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

2008-12-09 Thread Eric Rogers
Have you considered serial extenders? Then you can centrally monitor them all? Lantronix.com Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008

Re: [WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

2008-12-09 Thread Randy Cosby
Hm... looks like that may not be necessary: In Routeros 3.0rc2: *) RFC 2217 serial server TCP to serial Now you can set the serial port to RFC 2217 server mode and you can use a remote application to communicate/control the serial device. Find out more about this protocol at

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Blair Davis
Comcast admitted lying about it. Josh Luthman wrote: I don't believe it is the provider's responsibility to ensure its customers have read the AUP or abide by it. The customer put their signatures down signing that they agree to the terms. It may not be the providers responsibility, but

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Can you go into detail on to what happened or some information to it? All I saw was the nice and clean 500gigs/mo is enough for everyone, we're limiting torrent traffic announcements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I absolutely agree that it is good customer relations, but how can anyone expect to get to 1000 customers from 200 when you're busy being best friends with everyone and making sure they understand bandwidth limits (especially when there are some people that just do not understand). Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread David E. Smith
Josh Luthman wrote: I don't believe Comcast lied nor lied about it. I read in the news that they announced their monthly bandwidth limits and Bittorent throttling practices became well known. Is this not the case? I do believe that limiting the type of traffic is wrong, however the amount

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I see - didn't hear that they denied traffic shaping. I must be behind on the information as I only heard they announced their network was doing so. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Mike Hammett
Initially they didn't say what they were, just that you as a customer broke their imaginary limit, and therefore are without service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Here is an article that outlines what happened. I don't agree with the slant of the writer, but the info you are looking for is there. http://www.naturalnews.com/024391.html Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent:

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Probably a better source here: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/071708-comcast-fcc.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Jenkins
Are you talking outdoor full rack cabinets? Blake Bowers wrote: There has been a lot of talk about cabinets. If someone had a really good deal on them, and was willing to give a discount to the people on the list, would it be acceptable to post it here? Don't take your organs to heaven,

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Blake Bowers
yes. http://tinyurl.com/6r4ptk Infinity outdoor cabinets by Tyco. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Randy Cosby
http://www.telepp.com/bargains.html Some pretty good looking deals there Blake Bowers wrote: yes. http://tinyurl.com/6r4ptk Infinity outdoor cabinets by Tyco. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. -

[WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I need some Cisco switch VLAN help. I currently have about 60 Cisco 3500 series switches connected via the GBIC ports all in a ring configuration with spanning tree. I am trying to setup a VLAN for a customer between two of the FastEthernet ports so they can connect their offices. I have

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Jon Auer
Have you added the VLAN to the VLAN database on all the switches between them? (Assuming you are not usinh VTP) That's what I usually forget. (On 2900/3500) # vlan database # vlan NNN name blah # apply # exit On 12/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need some Cisco switch

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Blake Bowers
Yep, dana has some nice deals. I am however selling these, not buying. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Gino Villarini
How much? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, By default, when doing the switchport mode trunk, all VLAN's are allowed (I even issued the command "switchport trunk allowed vlan all" and it did not display on the sho conf afterward). Travis Microserv Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I need some Cisco

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Eric Rogers
Try a show interface fastethernet x/y switchport and see what is the status of the port and that trunking VLANs enabled are also trunking VLANs active. Eric From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:17 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] cabinets

2008-12-09 Thread Blake Bowers
Gino, I can't get through Barracuda. If you want to give me a call I will give you pricing. 417-257- Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Matt
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/ Would it not make sense for bittorrrent clients to have a preference to share with users under the same AS number? Would not help much on last mile but might on Internet backbone. Matt

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Ok... found the original problem... a few switches did not have the vlan setup in the vlan database. So the VLAN is up and working now... but the problem is because we have a ring, we use Spanning Tree to keep from having a loop in the network. But when we bring up the VLAN, the spanning-tree

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs
Just a FYI, I would just create a tunnel between the two sites. No configuration on your backend network, bandwidth restrictions are the same as internet traffic typically, etc. Simpler, and no loop issues. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Normally that is what we do... using Cisco ASA firewalls and setting up VPN tunnels for the customers... however, this particular customer needs the full 100Mbps between the ports and "transparent" transport... and they are paying for it... :) Travis Microserv Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Gino Villarini
VPLS all the way! WE used to do it on L2 with Cisco, just like you... After more than 80 circuits like this, most of them multi site... We area migrating to Mikrotik MPLS/VPLS and loving it! BTW on Cisco switches you have to define STP per Vlan, don't ask for the command line... We use the Cisco

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
Check and see if you are running PVST, which runs spanning tree on each VLAN. -Matt On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Ok... found the original problem... a few switches did not have the vlan setup in the vlan database. So the VLAN is up and working now... but the

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Matt Liotta
Just be careful if they want to do there own VLANs. If they do you will need to dot1q tunnel them. Cisco has made it easy in that all you have to do in addition to what you do now with a single VLAN is add the switchport dot1q tunnel command to their interface on either side. The VLAN

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Matt, This is for the 3550 right ... Cant be done on the 2950's? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
How can you possibly get 100 megs with Mikrotik? On 12/9/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT! :) Nothing wrong with that. You should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though :) -- *

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Well, we can... But we only use them as POP routers We have a couple with Metro Ethernet Fiber Backhauls running 100 mbps to our Core facility, doing MPLS / VPLS ... No wireless stuff, we are a Moto shop Those are RB1000 btw ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Gino Villarini
We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

2008-12-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Ok. When I bring the ring back up, the switch we have running spanning tree changes VLAN1 to "blocking" on one port, but the VLAN150 still shows "forwarding"... and creates a loop on VLAN150. Where do I start? I'm not sure what to even look for or how to troubleshoot this? Travis Microserv

[WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)

2008-12-09 Thread Brad Belton
I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and

Re: [WISPA] Tricky infrastructure question

2008-12-09 Thread John Thomas
If you use managed switches on both ends that properly support EtherChannel and/or LACP, then your down time should be about 30 seconds or less as the trunks setup. The main thing is that you will want the links as balanced as you can get them. John Thomas Ugo Bellavance wrote: Hi everyone

Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
One question I really would love to hear the answer to.. What version of 3.x are you using (if any) on those multi core/processor Mikrotiks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent

Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?

2008-12-09 Thread John Thomas
Based on the reviews, it looks like these may have some firmware problems... Marlon, what kind of space are you talking about? Here's a Buffalo box that does 4 TB ( 3TB in RAID 5) for $1000 http://shop4.frys.com/product/5782802?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG John Mike Hammett wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
As far as client software I really like Cobian Backup v8. I havn't touched v7 or 9. It does a great job automating things (email, runs as a service, keeps directory structure, etc) and is open source. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [WISPA] Where is JAB when we need them

2008-12-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Butch, First, my point is TX power + antenna gain = EIRP. 5.8G ofdm loss across 1 mile of Air = the same thing, no matter what gear you use. (with some exceptions such as mimo dual antenna multipath combining type technologies). This is math, it has nothing to do with the manufacturer of

Re: [WISPA] Where is JAB when we need them

2008-12-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Josh, I did not mean to be disrespectful in my comments, but some of the information that you posted was not factual, and was misleading. You compared the older and most expesnive trango (because itwas old technology) with the Newest less expensive Mikrotik. That is not apples to apples. t

Re: [WISPA] Where is JAB when we need them

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I am using 5830 products - is this not the latest point to multipoint product Trango has to offer (in the 5.8 band)? The only possible reasons you could get that spread was if you were not comparing equivellent anntennas or doing something wrong, or had a bad batch of radios, or something, but it

Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?

2008-12-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree. I also say that StarOS's support is actually pretty good for manufacturer provided support. (They do not have as large a channel of qualified third pary consultants like MT does). It means alot when the person writing code is also the person responding to End User List support