Re: [WISPA] Blocking chat/IM

2008-12-14 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 15:59 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Since my core, back haul and AP's are MiktoTik, please tell me more! How about a blog tutorial? :-) http://blog.butchevans.com/ If you need clarification, by all means drop me an email or leave a comment. I'll be happy to answer if there

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread reader
Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-14 Thread Eric Rogers
That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more. A 200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg work. If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000, $3000-5000

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-14 Thread Jim Patient
Hey Chris, There are a pile of tower guys on the yahoo tower-pro list that are looking for work. You might want to hit them up for a price. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tower-pro/ Jim chris cooper wrote: Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park figure

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-14 Thread lakeland
A self supporting tower is more expensive to install sue to base requirements and construction techniques. When I quoted installation pricing I was quoting concrete and steel. I am not talking about zoning, fencing, shelters, or the cost of lighting systems. The number I quoted is foundation

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread D. Ryan Spott
That was the reason I went with 802.11 on Tranzeo in the first place. Yeah there are (insert 802.11 issues here) but at least I have the freedom to shop around. I wish vendors would use ingenuity and value rather than silly lock-ins to keep you. ryan (writing this on an OSX machine... I

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Everyone praised WiMAX because it would be cross compatible. Welp, $10k AP later, you're still stuck with a proprietary system, you just have less money. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Drew

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Blair Davis
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned!

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread George Rogato
So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Jeff Ehman
We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a best effort basis. All QoS

Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

2008-12-14 Thread Eric Rogers
It looks like we are saying the same thing, just differently...I said foundation and tower construction would be roughly $17-20k. My guestimate was for a turn-key, you provide the tower sections and when it is complete, your antennas are in the air. I re-read his email and it was only for tower

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Honestly, it would seem the best solution at this time would be to use the Vecima Base stations with Redline CPE. :) Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Jeff AFAIK there is no Wimax Forum 3.65 profile ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Sunday,

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Mike Hammett
It is the real WiMAX, not the hype of 70 megabits at 70 miles with any vendor you choose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:34

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Drew Lentz
Nuts! You beat me to it! Gino is absolutely right, first of all. There is no defined standard yet that I have heard of either. The interoperability of these devices, in theory, should be at a connection and other basic function level. Charles Wu posted a great article on here some months ago

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. On 12/14/08, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A.

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-14 Thread Rick Herrmann
WOW - if only the soapbox was really gone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article And I won't be. I was

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
To add to Jeff point...WiMAX certification interoperability is limited to a lowest common denominator -- for example, looking at the MAC, interoperability is only guaranteed at the BE level (so unless there's some level of AP / CPE manufacturer cooperation, most of those nifty QoS features

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. They are... At a base level -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread John Scrivner
My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Travis Johnson
John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle any type of noise rejection? One of my big concerns with 3.65ghz is spending a lot of money on base stations, NMS, etc. and then having someone purchase a $3,000 LigoWave 3.65 point to point link and

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread John Scrivner
I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle