Re: [WISPA] Yikes, No Happy New years for SkyWi

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Global domination? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yikes, No Happy New years for SkyWi First Oneconnectip and now SkyWi

[WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Martha Huizenga
We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a couple of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a place to recycle this? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread eje
Checked you local recycling places? One local to me will take it for free. The other a bit further away I think gave us like 15c or something per pound (plastic and all) when we had some incorrectly built cat5 cabling (almost 40k feet on spools). Not sure about the exact price since its now

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Not worth shipping unless you have a whole bunch. Look up in your local yellow pages metal recyclers or scrap metal dealers. They might take it off your hands, perhaps giving you a few dollars. The problem is the ratio of insulation to copper. Too much plastic, not enough copper. If you were

Re: [WISPA] Yikes, No Happy New years for SkyWi

2009-01-01 Thread Matt Liotta
These are not isolated incidents and affect many other companies even if it doesn't force them to shut down. Nevertheless, I predict we are going to see a number of companies with VoIP/LD exposure to go out of business this year. Both Qwest and Global Crossing have raised rates ~30% yet

Re: [WISPA] Yikes, No Happy New years for SkyWi

2009-01-01 Thread Matt Liotta
These are not isolated incidents and affect many other companies even if it doesn't force them to shut down. Nevertheless, I predict we are going to see a number of companies with VoIP/LD exposure to go out of business this year. Both Qwest and Global Crossing have raised rates ~30% yet

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Guy I know runs cable for a living...for a while there he had a nice scrap business for the stuff they had to take out. Copper price is way down now though. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread 3-dB Networks
My sister in law works with a company whose main clients are copper mines... she has been telling me many are shutting down because the prices are so low. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I doubt we're getting any more spectrum for a while. We've been given quite a bit recently. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
But not at 5 GHz. I wouldn't use MT in 5.2 - 5.7 because there is no DFS2 availability for it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December

Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Just because Qwest has cut them off doesn't mean you can't LNP your number elsewhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:14 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down

2009-01-01 Thread Travis Johnson
Actually there is more to it... the last time a local VoIP provider went out of business, people could NOT get their numbers back. The issue was everyone had transferred their number to this company, and then they went out of business. So, per Qwest's regulations, the numbers automatically

Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Maybe that's just how Qwest is. I've done so before with other companies. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down Actually there

[WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Rogelio
A friend in my Linux user group is in charge of setting up the IT in a building that's about about a mile or so away, and he wants to bridge them via wireless rather than pay a monthly dedicated circuit between them. The number of end users there will be about 50 or so. He asked me what I

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
What do you consider reasonable. Dragonwave 24 G would be good. Orthogon, Trango Giga, Ligowave. If money is not an issue, I would go Dragonwave. Licensed or unlicensed. - Original Message - From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Dragonwave would be my first suggestion. You can look at the Redline an80s too - they're cheap but won't provide 100 megs. On 1/1/09, Chuck McCown - 3 ch...@beehive.net wrote: What do you consider reasonable. Dragonwave 24 G would be good. Orthogon, Trango Giga, Ligowave. If money is not an

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread 3-dB Networks
And does he want 100Mb full duplex or aggregate? Motorola Orthogon radios (specifically the PtP 500 Full) hits 105Mbps aggregate... that could be a real winner. 100Mb full duplex would be Dragonwave... 24Ghz could be a nice solution so they don't have to worry about the license. If he wants

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Government is not a monolith, and to condemn it out of hand is unreasonable. You can certainly go to local, even state government meetings, and express your opinion, and have an impact. I've done so many times (and I also sit on the other side of the table on my local township board). My issue

Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down

2009-01-01 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If you port your number over, and that company goes out of business, you have a mess. :( That is not true. All regulated telecommunication companies are required to let your number port out except for a few specific reasons. What is more

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Ehman
That is a great idea. Never thought about it before. With Chuck's comment, I am curious to see how much usable copper is in the cable though. -Jeff From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Rogelio
I'm not sure he knows what he wants, at this point. He knows that I do stuff with wifi mesh using BelAir products and wanted to know what that would cost. I told him BelAir might be good up to only a certain Mbps (fairly steady ~30Mbps on 802.11a radios, which I've tested many times), and

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Ehman
Thinking about it more though, the cost of the cable fluctuates a lot with the price of the commodity. Purchasing becomes a big pain sometimes so I think there may be some cash in it. I think a lot of us would like to know what you get for it. -Jeff

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Unfortunately, copper has dropped to about a third of what it sold for last Spring: http://www.lme.co.uk/copper_graphs.asp . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, January 01,

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I generally characterize our government, (to folks from other places where there is not so much freedom) as an insane giant robot that was originally created to work for us and is collectively owned by all of us. We have hired hundreds of thousands of programmers and mechanics to fix it and

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
If all else fails you can use a pair of BelAir links and use RouterOS/OSPF to concatinate them :) On 1/1/09, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure he knows what he wants, at this point. He knows that I do stuff with wifi mesh using BelAir products and wanted to know what that would

Re: [WISPA] affordable solution for bridging two buildings

2009-01-01 Thread Rogelio
Josh Luthman wrote: If all else fails you can use a pair of BelAir links and use RouterOS/OSPF to concatinate them :) For long links, someone people I know claim to do something similar with RSTP: put two panels up (one on each polarization) and then plug both radios on each side into a layer

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, Not sure the Government has the right to define broadband. Anyone check if anyone had a copyright, trademark, or Patent, on the term broadband? Is Webster required to accept/print the definition sent to them from the Gov? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah, but the secret to getting more spectrum is not asking for it, nor proving need. The secret is identifying spectrum that could be available, that someone else doesn't already have claim to. Whitespace is going to be awesome for you west-coast/central folk, but that still isn't going to

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Whitespaces sure will allow that, given the vendors produce gear that bonds multiple channels. Bond 4 channels together and you've got 80 megs of throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From:

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
ARGG! Accepting money or Accepting Help are NOT bad words. The problem is the FREE money goes to the wrong people, or does not get fairly spread around. The government often forgets to reward the small guy proportionaly, who put his neck out there in many of the early needy years. The problem

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Copper is worth something. Last year, here in MD, ther ewas a racket where theives would steal copper wire from live deployment, and sell it to the recyclers, at a clear profit. It was valuable enough some people were willing to go risk getting caught and going to jail, to recycle it. A cabler

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
And provided you live somewhere like Nevada that would have 8 channels available. Remember Whitespace, isn't realisitic for tight beam PTP. The last thing we want is vendors making gear that bonds 8 channels. All it takes is one of those APs every 30 miles, to KILL ALL competition in that area.

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread reader
LOL! That's really a pretty good description of any really large and beaurocratic organization insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 ch...@beehive.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread reader
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Every WISP needs to

Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
In the last three months the price of copper and steel materials dropped like a stone... On 1/1/09, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Copper is worth something. Last year, here in MD, ther ewas a racket where theives would steal copper wire from live deployment, and sell it to the

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Travis Johnson
You can not grow in large scales without financing... and I don't understand why people are against it. Our last equipment lease was under 10% interest, no personal guarantees, no money up front. We were able to purchase a large quantity of CPE units (thus saving us about 20% off the single

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread John Scrivner
What is the crossroads radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link to information about it is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Dennis - I already beat you to the punch. Don't steal my glory :) The

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=RBCRDeq=Tp= MikroTik's LiteStation model. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Blair Davis
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/crossroads_brochure.pdf John Scrivner wrote: What is the "crossroads" radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link to information about it is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
First table here gives you a bit more information: http://routerboard.com/comparison.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Jan 1, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I can get to downtown Chicago in one wireless hop and receive TV signals from additional markets, yet I have at least 14 completely clear channels and an additional 4 that can be used in significant parts of my coverage area. That's 108 MHz of space, or over 2 GB/s of throughput without any

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
Might be simpler to say, a Routerboard 411, with an integrated radio card that does 2.4 only. Fully FCC certified. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I was going to say that but I don't know how the CPU compares, not that it is a major difference. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Jan

[WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future...

2009-01-01 Thread reader
As I mentioned in my last post, I am now not willing to finance anything substantial for any period of time beyond a few months. While I'm no economics professor, nor claim any great knowledge, it appears that the people who do make those claims are as befuddled as things can get. Each has

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread reader
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow You can not grow in large

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Travis Johnson
We have been charging the same for internet service for almost 5 years and just two days ago, we got double the new sign-ups on a single day of what we can do for installs. Business is booming in our area and our industry. Just looking at our 2008 financials, our gross revenues are up

Re: [WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future...

2009-01-01 Thread George Rogato
If I was in the business of selling something frivilous, I would be worried. This is internet access. People need Internet Access just like they need electricity. You could live with out it but who would want to. Unless you have hit the top of your saturation, then it's doubtful you'll be

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread reader
Travis... I don't bet money on non-productive things. IE, I don't gamble. It's a moral thing. But, here's why I am saying you're not going to be able to... 1. Over the last 2 decades, industrial finance has been mostly done by direct sales of bonds on the open market.This has fallen

Re: [WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future...

2009-01-01 Thread reader
That's pretty much where I am too. I'm working on making sure I can survive even if I have to cut my rates by up to 65%. Part of that is now about changing providers, adding a 2nd, so if one goes away I'm not sunk, and a small price increase, and changing my billing and credit process. I

Re: [WISPA] Business strategy for an uncertain future...

2009-01-01 Thread eje
Just think about it. What will people do that can not afford the movies, cool electronics and gadgets or go out eat nice dinners etc do at night or during the day (assuming unemployed). Sit home watch TV and surf internet. They COULD cancel their cabel/sat connection if they have a good high

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Again, I want to apologize for the pissing contest I created here. While I do appreciate the input I highly disagree with some of the language and attitude here. Can we please stop this thread? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those