Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I've never heard of a property tax that was applied to anything other than a parcel of land or a structure. I know our township auditor quite well and that's all that is involved. You don't pay property tax on your computer or big screen TV, why would you on a CPE? - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
Yeppers Our county has a property tax on business equipment, the desk, the cash register, etc etc etc. Mike Hammett wrote: I've never heard of a property tax that was applied to anything other than a parcel of land or a structure. I know our township auditor quite well and that's all

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-04 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread eje
Depends on how you have things in your books. If its as an asset then you pay property tax. On all property a business need at least in KS pay property tax unless you expense it immediately when bought. But there are limits on how much you can expense each year. So many times that printer and

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Us too. Personal property. - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Yeppers Our county has a property tax on business equipment,

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, in our County, we do pay property tax on all of our office equipment (desks, signs, computers, air conditioners, TV's, etc.) at our office. This is for businesses only. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I've never heard of a property tax that was applied to anything other than a

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-04 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
And after some research its their FM station which I was confused with, in another city at 10kW. - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Wow, and Illinois keeps clamoring for property tax reform. Apparently those for it haven't been other places in the country where they tax everything. Anymore Illinois is hell to businesses, but apparently it could be a lot worse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
It's not really traveling people spreading the word. It's all those politicians get together and come up with new ways to extract fees. They swap ideas, just like us on this list. Property tax is nothing new, taxing you based on milage is:

[WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Nash
We have this backhaul that services about 20 customers in this little micropop... hosted by a property owner who has a high sport. It's been there for 3 years without problem. Got notified yesterday morning about 6am that the backhaul went down. After testing EVERYTHING else, I tested the

Re: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread Jerry Richardson
We have the same problem around here. The squirrels think it's the best thing ever. Since we started putting everything in lightweight PVC we have had no issues. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
In Europe they have done mileage based taxes on diesel vehicles for as far as I can recall. They no longer do it on biodiesel since there are many new cars that are biodiesel over there now. Most countries have rewritten their taxation laws with the introduction of biodiesel fuel. In Europe diesel

Re: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
Thats good info, I have a rural pop I'm setting up on the side and top of a hill in the woods. It's about 350' from power and another 200' between posts, we're just using 6x6x24' wooden posts. I was stinking because it's rough terrain on a slope side of a hill through trees and brush I would

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Blair Davis
Heavy trucks pay taxes based on mileage to many states here in the US. It is a major source of paperwork Eje Gustafsson wrote: In Europe they have done mileage based taxes on diesel vehicles for as far as I can recall. They no longer do it on biodiesel since there are many new cars

Re: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread Jerry Richardson
We have installs where the conduit is not buried. It's not an issue unless you are concerned about cows or horses stepping on it. Liquid tite is pretty costly compared to 3/4 UV sprinkler conduit. At 350' you'd only need 17ea 20 sections plus sweeps and ends.

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
I wouldn't mind paying on milage. But what about all the people who live somewhere else and pass through. usually they buy gas along the way and help offest the tax. With the milage based tax, the residents would have to pay all the bills. And if a resident went to another state and drove

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-04 Thread Leon Zetekoff
WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ -

Re: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
Yeah I know pvc is much cheaper. I was thinking of the wild animals, deer, bear cougar, etc. Didn't want to be tripping up the wildlife. Figured the liquid tite would lay flat and if a critter bit into it, the inside armor would keep hold. Jerry Richardson wrote: We have installs where the

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
As you know probably know, not all leases are tax exempt. For example, $1 buy leases are not tax exempt. Property Tax is defined on a state level. Actually your rate and terms can be defined at the county level. Many leases also state that leasees are liable for any taxes that might be charged

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net
The problem with your deflation of the dollar argument is that you are just lookingat the time/value of money as if we are burying it in the backyard. Let's use big round numbers: CPE cost: $300 Interest: 10% Term: 36 months Monthly lease payment: $10 Customer rate: $30/month So, from day one,

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Property Tax is paid/owed to the state in which the Property resides and owned by the payee, provided that the type of item is not tax exempt. Every county has different classifications of property that may or may not be exempt. There is a tracking need for a WISP in order for them to optimize

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Check with your accountant but I do believe this depends on the lease. If you havea $1 buyout, you have to pay the property taxes. But I don't think you have to pay it if you have a fair market buyout. Unless, of course, you purchase the equipment at the end of the lease and then it would be

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread George Rogato
Tom DeReggi wrote: That is incorrect. If you are a store that sells big screen TVs you pay property tax on your inventory of Big screen TVs. And technically an end user is supposed to pay tax for their big screen TV also, there just isn't a way for the government to know about it. I

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
That is incorrect. If you are a store that sells big screen TVs you pay property tax on your inventory of Big screen TVs. And technically an end user is supposed to pay tax for their big screen TV also, there just isn't a way for the government to know about it. Of course, all counties don't

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread eje
Correct we do not pay property tax on inventoried items we have for resale. However if we use profits from previous sale to finance our inventory we do not get any tax break. To IRS the profit is taxable no matter what we did with the money. So when we increase our inventory levels according to

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread eje
Correct we do not pay property tax on inventoried items we have for resale. However if we use profits from previous sale to finance our inventory we do not get any tax break. To IRS the profit is taxable no matter what we did with the money. So when we increase our inventory levels according to

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-04 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: Then the whole collocation industry is up poop creek. Maybe that's why only 1 or 2 companies have servers in MT. :-p You might be surprised I know of at least two multistory buildings full in Billings Hotwire has a major installation in billings. KOA is

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread RickG
Kentucky, you'all :) On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: What state, mate? RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread RickG
I havent looked yet but I suspect it's in the lease. The next issue is the amount of tax. It appears they charge for the full value of new equipment. As we all know, electronics depreciate very quickly. -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You have to

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread RickG
We have an operations lease versus the purchase lease. I wonder if that makes a difference? -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:25 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Years back we leased a router from sprint bundled into our internet access. We had to pay taxes on the lease portion but the internet

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread RickG
Travis, Doesnt this take away some of the argument for leasing? This is one item (I may have mised it) that didnt seem to make it in the discusions of for/against leasing. Alternatively, since we get taxed on the equipment, do we get to depreciate it? -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM,

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread RickG
We have the fair market value lease. I'd like to think that removes my responsilbity of paying the taxes but I have a hunch... On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Check with your accountant but I do believe this depends on the lease. If

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread eje
Yes you should be able to depreciate any asset and you pay property tax on your asset. Electronics generally have a 3yr depreciation time software 5yrs if memory serves me right. Or its the other way around. Other assets might have other depreciation rules check with you local tax accountant.

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
PPTax is generally paid on the depreciated value of the equipment. But the burden is on you (or your leasing company) to submit what the depreciated value is of that equipment to the state, in your/their property tax filing. If that is not done, the state can only guess, and they guess the way

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
It does for you. But it does not releave your leasor. So if you agreed to pay your leasor's taxes, they could hold you accoutable. But if so, you would ahve gotten taken advatnage of, because one of the reasons Fair MArket Values have a higher lease finance rate, is you don't have the taxes.

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, If you are doing a $1 buyout on the lease, then you do get hit with property taxes on it (depending your state and/or county), but you get the depreciation. If you are doing a FMV lease, then you don't get taxed on it and the entire amount is deductible on your taxes. Contact your

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
What part of KY? I've yet to receive anything of the such... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

Re: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My Backhaul Down ;)

2009-01-04 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
We have that happen on a regular basis. You have to use armored cable, and even then they will eat through it. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] A Squirrel Took My