Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
The question that first comes to mind is Who would want to trust a 26mile link to a sub $100 radio? However, I agree, it will be an interesting test. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations >I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to > replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' > dishes. That should be an interesting test. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > Matt wrote: >>> Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA >>> >>> 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim >>> gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they >>> are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. >>> >>> Link distance: 8.3 miles >>> >>> Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA >>> >> >> http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php >> >> At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a >> couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 > 8:38 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
There are fiber cables that comes with built in low voltage wires for poe applications. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:14:44 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness hmmm, I guess if it comes to that marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so it was pretty easy). Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. How do you run poe over the fiber? marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question? Greg On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks Mike, The change to 10 meg half doesn't help. In fact, most devices won't connect at all then. The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by this! ug I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help. Apryl can get you the contact info and part number. 509.982.2181 The shielded cable from Shierene just came in. And I have permission to move to the other side of the building. When the snow melts and the ground firms up I'll rebuild the entire site. The radio station has a new transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant recently left. I have more location options now than I did before. Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX. It's a crazy meter. Checks just about everything. As it well should for $7000. Know what it doesn't check very well though? Inductive RF. gr There is one test that showed some problems though. It's called an inductive pulse. Readings at another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0. This tower had a reading of nearly 3000! Fluke is supposed to find out what an acceptable level would be and send that info to me. I've not heard from them yet though. The tech's guess was around 30mV. I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter (one end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was picking up 2 to 3 volts on each pin. That pretty well seems to line up with the 3000mV reading from the fluke! This site has always been a source of grief for me. Must less reliable than nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used. I always thought it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been fined by the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things. Though nothing THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer. I always thought it was something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that on the analyzer either though). Maybe my problem has always been the radio station stuff. Wouldn't that be great? FINALLY, a network reliable enough to allow me to take a vacation. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Cowan" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi Marlon, It looks like you are on your way to solving this. To get by until then you might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex. FM radio runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet connection, it communicates at 10mhz. 10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I believe. Fixing it is really black magic however. Sometimes grounding helps, sometimes it is better without. Many have placed the cable in conduit, with mixed success. I would be very interested if the ferits help, we have tried a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit to test with either. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:join-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park A
[WISPA] Personalized Web Toolbar
Hi all...I'm working on a WISP toolbar for my customers. It can be found at http://DSLbyAir.OurToolbar.com The source for this is at http://www.conduit.com I can sure use some input on this before it goes live to my customers. It is similar to the Google and Yahoo toolbars. It can also be easily uninstalled too. I'm trying to come up with marketing ideas to increase revenue. Please download it and tell me what you think about it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
hmmm, I guess if it comes to that marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so it was pretty easy). Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. How do you run poe over the fiber? marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question? Greg On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks Mike, The change to 10 meg half doesn't help. In fact, most devices won't connect at all then. The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by this! ug I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help. Apryl can get you the contact info and part number. 509.982.2181 The shielded cable from Shierene just came in. And I have permission to move to the other side of the building. When the snow melts and the ground firms up I'll rebuild the entire site. The radio station has a new transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant recently left. I have more location options now than I did before. Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX. It's a crazy meter. Checks just about everything. As it well should for $7000. Know what it doesn't check very well though? Inductive RF. gr There is one test that showed some problems though. It's called an inductive pulse. Readings at another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0. This tower had a reading of nearly 3000! Fluke is supposed to find out what an acceptable level would be and send that info to me. I've not heard from them yet though. The tech's guess was around 30mV. I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter (one end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was picking up 2 to 3 volts on each pin. That pretty well seems to line up with the 3000mV reading from the fluke! This site has always been a source of grief for me. Must less reliable than nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used. I always thought it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been fined by the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things. Though nothing THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer. I always thought it was something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that on the analyzer either though). Maybe my problem has always been the radio station stuff. Wouldn't that be great? FINALLY, a network reliable enough to allow me to take a vacation. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Cowan" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi Marlon, It looks like you are on your way to solving this. To get by until then you might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex. FM radio runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet connection, it communicates at 10mhz. 10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I believe. Fixing it is really black magic however. Sometimes grounding helps, sometimes it is better without. Many have placed the cable in conduit, with mixed success. I would be very interested if the ferits help, we have tried a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit to test with either. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:join-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2007 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so it was pretty easy). Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. How do you run poe over the fiber? marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question? Greg On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks Mike, The change to 10 meg half doesn't help. In fact, most devices won't connect at all then. The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by this! ug I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help. Apryl can get you the contact info and part number. 509.982.2181 The shielded cable from Shierene just came in. And I have permission to move to the other side of the building. When the snow melts and the ground firms up I'll rebuild the entire site. The radio station has a new transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant recently left. I have more location options now than I did before. Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX. It's a crazy meter. Checks just about everything. As it well should for $7000. Know what it doesn't check very well though? Inductive RF. gr There is one test that showed some problems though. It's called an inductive pulse. Readings at another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0. This tower had a reading of nearly 3000! Fluke is supposed to find out what an acceptable level would be and send that info to me. I've not heard from them yet though. The tech's guess was around 30mV. I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter (one end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was picking up 2 to 3 volts on each pin. That pretty well seems to line up with the 3000mV reading from the fluke! This site has always been a source of grief for me. Must less reliable than nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used. I always thought it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been fined by the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things. Though nothing THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer. I always thought it was something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that on the analyzer either though). Maybe my problem has always been the radio station stuff. Wouldn't that be great? FINALLY, a network reliable enough to allow me to take a vacation. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Cowan" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi Marlon, It looks like you are on your way to solving this. To get by until then you might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex. FM radio runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet connection, it communicates at 10mhz. 10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I believe. Fixing it is really black magic however. Sometimes grounding helps, sometimes it is better without. Many have placed the cable in conduit, with mixed success. I would be very interested if the ferits help, we have tried a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit to test with either. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:join-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2007 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wir
Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
Yeah. How do you run poe over the fiber? marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness > Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question? > > Greg > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Thanks Mike, >> >> The change to 10 meg half doesn't help. In fact, most devices won't >> connect >> at all then. >> >> The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by >> this! ug >> >> I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help. Apryl can get >> you the >> contact info and part number. 509.982.2181 >> >> The shielded cable from Shierene just came in. And I have >> permission to >> move to the other side of the building. When the snow melts and the >> ground >> firms up I'll rebuild the entire site. The radio station has a new >> transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant >> recently >> left. I have more location options now than I did before. >> >> Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX. It's a crazy meter. >> Checks >> just about everything. As it well should for $7000. Know what it >> doesn't >> check very well though? Inductive RF. gr There is one test that >> showed some problems though. It's called an inductive pulse. >> Readings at >> another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0. >> This tower >> had a reading of nearly 3000! Fluke is supposed to find out >> what an >> acceptable level would be and send that info to me. I've not heard >> from >> them yet though. The tech's guess was around 30mV. >> >> I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter >> (one >> end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was >> picking up 2 >> to 3 volts on each pin. That pretty well seems to line up with the >> 3000mV >> reading from the fluke! >> >> This site has always been a source of grief for me. Must less >> reliable than >> nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used. I always >> thought >> it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been >> fined by >> the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things. Though >> nothing >> THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer. I always thought it was >> something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that >> on the >> analyzer either though). Maybe my problem has always been the radio >> station >> stuff. Wouldn't that be great? FINALLY, a network reliable enough >> to allow >> me to take a vacation. grin >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Cowan" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM >> Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness >> >> >> Hi Marlon, >> >> It looks like you are on your way to solving this. To get by until >> then you >> might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex. FM >> radio >> runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet >> connection, it communicates at 10mhz. 10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I >> believe. >> Fixing it is really black magic however. Sometimes grounding helps, >> sometimes it is better without. Many have placed the cable in >> conduit, with >> mixed success. I would be very interested if the ferits help, we >> have tried >> a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit >> to test >> with either. >> >> Mike >> >> Mike Cowan >> Wireless Connections >> A Division of ACC >> 166 Milan Ave >> Norwalk, OH 44857 >> 419-660-6100 >> 419-706-7348 Cell >> 419-668-4077 Fax >> mi...@wirelessconnections.net >> www.wirelessconnections.net >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM >> To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com >> Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com >> Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness >> >> Hi All, >> >> I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to >> figure out >> >> how to fix it. >> >> >> ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ >> To Join: mailto:join-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com >> To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com >> Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ >> To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: >> Jupitermedia Corp. >> Attn: Discussion List Management >> 475 Park Avenue South >> New York, NY 10016 >> >> Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. >> >> Copyright 2007 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wis
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
Yes, Chuck has it. A similar system can be found at http://parts.valmont.com -(maintenance/saftey) Tuf-Tug Saftey-climb cable system. Midwest - 877-467-4763. Valmont now owns Pirod &Microflect. They are not cheap, but its the real tower materials. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [mailto:ch...@beehive.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system.- Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PMSubject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)> That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should only > be> leaning back on the cage. You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White>> 3-dB Networks>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM> To: WISPA General List> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when you fall?>> Brian>> John Valenti wrote:>> Brian,> Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several> legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to> take a break while climbing.>> It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the> way while climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is,> maybe I'm missing something.> -John>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one> on> the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that> is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed?>> > > WISPA Wants Yo u! Join today!> http://signup.wispa.org/> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!> http://signup.wispa.org/> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.o rg/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] metal building install
Jim, (jeffco) you might think about a fabric cover, stretched over a frame. EG,the frabric 'radomes' on large paraboloids, 6-10'. Not so much inuse today. They are almost bullet-proof, can be made to look likealmost anything - synthetic, and light weight. Wind loading willbe an issue. Not to mention installation. We employed this tech. in a similar situation, albeit many yearsago. to extend a penthouse vertically 15'. From the groundyou couldn't tell the difference. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Jim Patient [mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 04:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] metal building install I don't have a picture handy. There isn't much to see though. It is just a plain stainless steel wall at the areas the antennas are going. Jim3-dB Networks wrote:> Can you provide a picture of the building?>> Daniel White> 3-dB Networks> http://www.3dbnetworks.com>>> -Original Message-> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On> Behalf Of Jim Patient> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:00 PM> To: WISPA General List> Subject: [WISPA] metal building install>> We have a project to install 5GHz sectors on a large beautiful building > that has brushed stainless sheeting on the sides. The antennas must be > installed on the outside walls and cannot be higher than the sides. > They want the antennas to be hidden or as non-obtrusive as possible. > Anyone got any ideas on how to cover, hide, or camouflage the > antennas? There will be 3 sectors on each side. >> If anyone has done something like this and would care to share pictures, > that would be great.>> Jim > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!> http://signup.wispa.org/> > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today!> http://signup.wispa.org/> > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/--- - WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/