Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

2009-02-10 Thread os10rules
Can you tell me which in radio Ethernet protectors you use? Thanks! Greg On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: Not wishing to say anyone does a better job or worse. One of the biggest mistakes I have seen is the plastic standoffs. Not only do they fail, but they

Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question

2009-02-10 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
In addition to unlocking it, you flash it to recover locked features. If you have a free and clear phone its easy enough to get them unlocked. Flashing a phone can be a pain, mostly in finding a flash that is not also locked or that has the features that you want. Most phone manufactures are not

[WISPA] Cacti templates for Bridgewave?

2009-02-10 Thread Rogelio
Does anyone have any Cacti templates for Bridgewave's product line that they could share? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release

2009-02-10 Thread Adam Greene
Huh ... interesting. I wonder if something similar exists for the healthcare IT initiatives coming down the pike .. - Original Message - From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net To: agre...@webjogger.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Fw: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document

Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

2009-02-10 Thread Kevin Suitor
Mti wireless edge or European antennas both have good quality sectors; mti has a cosecant squared version that proves superior coverage in our testing From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:12 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release

2009-02-10 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
The web addy is on the cover page http://wikileaks.org Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs,

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman
I see now. I'm sorry you had to settle for one fully loaded. Burn some rubber for me! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless for that! grin Probably a good thing for me though. This is what happens when I have a rig that will turn the tires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hmmm, good idea. I'll remember that for next time. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman
My first car was a Riviera with a v8 6.6L 403. I owned the highways with that power, I put gas stations out of business with the 8 mpg and I threatened anything that went too slow. Then one day... http://iam8up.com/fiya/ We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Josh you are far too hard on your cars! They are supposed to smoke from the tires, not the passenger compartment! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Cars are meant for travel. I will agree, though, I traveled a bit too hard =( I shed a tear every time I see that car. That thing was so comfortable... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package -ContactyourCongressmen

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Yeah. Without failure there is never innovation. I don't think that there is anything too big to fail. Heck, entire nations do it all of the time. Let the poorly run companies die. That'll make room for new people with better ides. I heard yesterday that the calls going to people in the

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread chris cooper
I like F-150s, 4WD, extended cab, HDU on the back with ladder rack. That should get you to any tower site, hold up to a 40' extension ladder, provide secure storage for all your tools and supplies and get decent milage. C We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions

[WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread David Blood
CTI has a special on them right now. http://www.cticonnect.com/ David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

[WISPA] authentication gateway

2009-02-10 Thread Alan Long
Our current auth gateway provider IP3 has gone out of business. Wanted to ask what others have used and your opinions on how they function. We are looking at Air Marshal, Nomadix, HP/Colubris. Thanks for any help and recommendations you can provide. http://www.aerowire.net Alan

[WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site. No problem with the 9 miles. However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way. We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right now). One end will *JUST* clear the top

[WISPA] Harmful Interference

2009-02-10 Thread Kevin Suitor
Folks: I saw this blog posting during some research I was conducting and I know the topic comes up on this list fairly regularly. There is some useful data on the concepts surrounding harmful interference and how the FCC views each of the parties in a dispute and in granting rights to

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Move the tower left or right a few yards :-) Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K.

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Jason
As I understand, circular polarization will help with the Fresnel problem. It's polarity reverses when reflected, so the Fresnel reflection won't degrade your signal as abruptly. I've never had to do this, though. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I have a 9 mile link

Re: [WISPA] authentication gateway

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
Valuepoint. -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote: Our current auth gateway provider IP3 has gone out of business. Wanted to ask what others have used and your opinions on how they function. We are looking at Air Marshal, Nomadix, HP/Colubris. Thanks

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
I cant think of a nicer guy to get such a nice vehicle! Now, can come and give me a hand? :) -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: fyi, it's not a van...

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
I'm glad you brought this up. Why arent circular and multi-polarized antennas used more often? I've got a small 3dbi WiFi-Plus unit that performs better than many standard omni units. -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason supp...@azii.net wrote: As I understand, circular polarization

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Mikrotik RB411 with SR5 cards, ARC 23dbi flat panel integrated enclosure antennas running in a 10mhz wide channel with Nstreme. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site. No problem with the 9 miles.

Re: [WISPA] authentication gateway and other wireless equipment

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
I have a couple or working Tropos 5210's as well. Offlist if anyone wants them. -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Paul Kralovec pkralo...@unpluggedcities.com wrote: The city of St. Louis Park, MN had a wireless project going for about two years. They have closed it down and are

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Any reason why you're choosing the SR over the XR? (We may have been here before.) IIRC, the chipset that the SR5 uses listens to 20 MHz whereas the XR5 would listen to 5 or 10. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
We standardized on the SR5 about 3 years ago. Have never had a single card fail (with over 100 in full production). When the XR5 first came out, we ordered 2 for a ptp link and one card was bad (but it didn't show up until we had already made a 3 hour trip to the tower site). Since then, we

Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

2009-02-10 Thread David Sovereen
Huh? Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free? Whenver I want it assembled, you charge me something called Assembly Charge for Kit Units at a cost of $6.00 each. See invoice 29306. Dave - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

2009-02-10 Thread David Sovereen
Meant to send off-list... sorry. Dave - Original Message - From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Huh? Why haven't any

Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

2009-02-10 Thread eje
That is ok. The way that equipment was assembled and charged you shouldn't had to pay any assembly fees. As I said to you off list we will get that straightened out. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net Date: Tue,

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
pppttt Wanna know what's really funny? While checking out the building that has the fiber in it, I found out why the AP there has been acting up. I thought it was just another flaky Teletronics 152. Nope, it's doing fine. The home owner that my tower sits on decided to put in a

[WISPA] circular polarity was -- Re: yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
In MY case it's due to frequency reuse. You can't get much isolation against noise, other ap's etc. with it. Something like 3dB instead of 10 to 15. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP

[WISPA] test

2009-02-10 Thread Blair Davis
I've sent several replies to the list today and none of them have shown up. So here is a test. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] test

2009-02-10 Thread Phil Curnutt
And it went through. Phil On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I've sent several replies to the list today and none of them have shown up. So here is a test. WISPA

Re: [WISPA] test

2009-02-10 Thread os10rules
Yeah, I notice I don't receive copies of the messages I send. But I see replies so I know they go through. Greg On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote: And it went through. Phil On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I've sent several replies

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Blair Davis
rock salt and a drill. the tree will de-leaf quickly... :P CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Move the tower left or right a few yards :-) Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread Blair Davis
I've had better luck with the XR cards. The little antenna switch in the SR cards always seems to fail after a few months in the field... Travis Johnson wrote: We standardized on the SR5 about 3 years ago. Have never had a single card fail (with over 100 in full production). When the

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread 3-dB Networks
Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between

[WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread Jack Unger
So it looks like the definitions of Basic broadband service and Advanced broadband service are interchanged. Good catch!! St. Louis Broadband wrote: I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread eje
Actually not. Advanced broadband service 45/15 Basic broadband service 5/1 Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1 But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be at least in the excerpt. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jack

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread St. Louis Broadband
You are correct! Very confusing because most of the text under this title is referring to wireless service and not broadband service. I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather than RUS. Any ideas on that? BTW - Glad about the 3/1 on wireless, since a lot of

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Nash
LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph

[WISPA] FYI - more news on stimulous/broadband

2009-02-10 Thread J. Vogel
Net neutrality and the broadband provisions in the stimulus bill US Senator Dianne Feinstein hopes to update President Barack Obama's $838bn economic stimulus package so that American ISPs can deter child pornography, copyright infringement, and other unlawful activity by way of reasonable

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Ehman
All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list. It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Nash
I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Isn't that the purpose of a public forum? :) Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on this topic... I think it has been beat to death. If you want to talk about it offlist I'd be happy to. As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and let you compare it to the published Trango

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Daniel, Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you to back up your statements regarding close in price and performance much better. Instead you've chosen to throw a stone at a competing product and run the other way. I guess we'll have to chalk up your

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
lol, around here the ice storms, winds, or tornadoes will eventually get them! -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: rock salt and a drill. the tree will de-leaf quickly... :P CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Move the tower left or right a few yards :-) Chuck

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
lol, the latest fuel technology joke goes like this: During power outages, such as those experienced here in Kentucky during and after the ice storms, you gotta get gasoline to run your generator in order to charge up your hybrid! -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM, D. Ryan Spott

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
But...I bet it got through the 120 miles quickly! I used to have one and miss it dearly, except for the gas stops. -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread RickG
I believe the 8mpg but 80mph? -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Belton
Oh I believe it. Nothing Travis is able to pull off surprises me anymore. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Freeway speed limits in Idaho are 75mph. We usually drive 80mph. The Duramax will easily go that fast, even with 2,000 pounds in the bed and 9,800 pounds of sno-cat in tow. :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I believe the 8mpg but 80mph? -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio, and then also list the current price for a "comparable" speed for each. I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Did I mention the 27 mile, 18ghz link with 2ft dishes I have running? :) Travis Brad Belton wrote: Oh I believe it. Nothing Travis is able to pull off surprises me anymore. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On