Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM,

Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer

2009-03-03 Thread reader
I have a couple of the motherboards in use doing other things, they're just real slow as a full blown PC. The nice part is, they run from 12V DC nicely and have a single PCI slot and a mini-pci slot. You can make smaller PC's than that, by quite a bit, just use the VIA PICO and NANO ITX

[WISPA] Dark Fiber

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these markets, let me know. Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly as short as every 1 - 2 miles. Manhattan, NY Hudson River Tunnel, NY Hoboken, NJ Port Reading Junction, NJ Harrisburg, PA Pittsburgh, PA

[WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread Michael Baird
Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone

Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

2009-03-03 Thread sales
Mike, Please send one my way. Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber If anyone is near these markets looking for

[WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread John McDowell
I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded

Re: [WISPA] HD WiFi coming this summer?

2009-03-03 Thread RickG
WiMax is dead! j/k! On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Ooops. Forgot the link: http://telephonyonline.com/video/news/hdtv-wifi-0225/ Welcome some more interference Celeno’s OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz spectrum used

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Rick Harnish
If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Lists
The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread rghering
If WISPA was to get input on the grant process, I would like to see more home town WISP's ans ISP's get first hand at the funding. Why? simple. Telco's get to have their hands in Gov money 365 days a year. Its called the high cost fund. With that the home town WISP's and ISP's, should be

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread John McDowell
Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read

[WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Scott Piehn
The Government has a definition for rural My town of 26K people just got classified as rural a couple of years ago. This was to help with grants and such Rural is generally based on population of under 20k - 30k Scott - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
This guy says he is using them but having problems - didn't read into anything more then 411 board and xr3 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=29063p=145580hilit=xr3#p145580 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Matt Liotta
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? It

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Ross Cornett
We all have a substancial amount of capital invested in our own ventures... If the Government would like to reimburse us on our investments before they make the Internet a invaluable investment. I wouldn't have much issue with that. However, from what I see they are just trying to make the

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Goicoechea
Redline has a 3.65 ptp with their an80. Mike Goicoechea -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Look at the very bottom table - it mentions xr3 confirming Ubnt knows it works with MT. http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/ubi_mtik_power.pdf Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread 3-dB Networks
Redline and Ligowave both have gear available. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:29 AM To: Conversations over a new

Re: [WISPA] CA Cert

2009-03-03 Thread Rogelio
Mike Hammett wrote: I've started to get setup with it. If anyone from the group is in the Southern OC, CA area, I'd be willing to assure them, if they are interested. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

[WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Smith
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one

Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS

2009-03-03 Thread reader
Some simple rules to move things in your direction... 1. limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K. No multi million dollar get some guy real rich schemes. 2. Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many dollars per square mile. 3. Require local

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Rick Harnish
Done :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread Michael Baird
Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread jp
Our state has a rural connectivity program that is part of our state's utility commission and is preparing for the potential for federal funding. They were interested in mapping, data, and projects. They asked ISPs in the state for our suggestions... Here's what I sent in: The ISPs around the

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread jp
Visual aids are worth a thousand words. A photoshopping of your gear on their tower. Bring some gear too. This antenna I'm holding is big because it has to pick up such a weak signal, the federally regulated signals are 5x weaker than the cell phone you carry on your body See the drawings

[WISPA] HD WiFi coming this summer?

2009-03-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
Welcome some more interference Celeno’s OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz spectrum used by today’s WiFi data networks. OptimizAIR uses standard PHY and MAC layers but adds proprietary algorithms that the company says can double the throughput of standard 802.11

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread reader
I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works.3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems.

[WISPA] Agenda for March 10

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Smith
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Pico Station 2

2009-03-03 Thread eje
These should be first available this month. They have not started to ship these yet. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Authorized Ubiquity distributor --Original Message-- From: Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Victoria, For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Great point... Currently rules state that preference will go to proposals that serve the highest percentage of persons within the

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes they can. Ligowave also offers a PtP product. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Mike, I have had significant experience in numerous initial phase projects to encourage working with local government. For example, in my county access to watertowers was supposed to be free, in exchange for new tower errection restrictions in the community. However, I do not have any muni

[WISPA] OT: Surveillance Self-Defense

2009-03-03 Thread Jack Unger
https://ssd.eff.org/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC

Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such? Nothing is ever free on the internet! marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

[WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Blair Davis
Hi all... All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so bi-directional has become very asymmetric. I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise floor at the other... Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS. 3ft lmr-400

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread jp
We utilize both muni and private locations for wireless sites. Private is by far the easiest to work with. Everyone shares the same goals, the organizational leaders change less frequently. There is less politics, things happen faster. We can not avoid dealing with municipalities though. I

Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request

2009-03-03 Thread eje
One thing that I found helpful when we had to do this for the county years back was actually to bring in some sample equipments that we talked about installing. Also bringing picture of typical cell company tower installs. Showing them that we are looking for minimal size and will cause far

Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-03-03 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I'm not sure that LinkedIn exposes public e-mail addresses but it does give you the option of posting your own Website which, in turn, may expose an e-mail address. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread John Valenti
Marlon, I've also had problems getting started with Radio Mobile. I haven't tried it yet, but Snowcrash on the StarOS forums suggested the tutorial at this site. http://www.g3tvu.co.uk/Quick_Start.htm It looks promising. Maybe better printed out on a black white printer :-) -John

Re: [WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Jack Unger
Blair, Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the U.S., your problem could be one of the following. a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to see if any new interior

Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-03-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
You can control access to your personal info in both LinkedIn and Facebook. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Scott Reed
I use RM a lot. I think you might find the tutorial much better than talking to someone. It goes at your speed, when you want and does a good job of giving you the basics and then what else it can do. And, as the saying goes, a picture is worth 1000 words. He shows you what you should see

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and

Re: [WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Joe Miller
One think I would look at is: Are the connector center pins crimped or are they soldered? Temperature has a way on contracting and expanding metal, darned all the luck. But this has happened to me in the past. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: From: Blair Davis

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread jp
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully

Re: [WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Blair Davis
A typo It should have read 5.280GHz... Sorry for the confusion. Jack Unger wrote: Blair, Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the U.S., your problem could be one of the following. a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many

Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

2009-03-03 Thread sales
Lol no dont email the fiber please... Yeah send the maps\contact info if you would. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:57:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Maybe a higher value, but my point was that smaller operators can't get money because they're too small. Someone with thousands of customers has the ability to get financing either from a financial institution or private investors far more easily. There's no reason why MT or Star couldn't

Re: [WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Jack Unger
OK - well that changes EVERYTHING! Change the LMR-400 jumper on the end with the low RSSI. Blair Davis wrote: A typo It should have read 5.280GHz... Sorry for the confusion. Jack Unger wrote: Blair, Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly revenue. It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
That would be fine. I just don't want to see ATT, Verizon, or even someone smaller like Paetec to get anything. They had their chance to build these networks on their own. Now it's our turn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Radwin

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Are there any radios that are in the same space? Less than $5k for a link and not an MT or Star? I exclude those only because I can build an MT box myself. 100 megabit 100 megs (50 FD), 20 MHz - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
What questions should be asked? I think we should ask if they are going to allow input as to what we (as the operators) think would be the most efficient use of funds. In other words, are we, as a trade group AND individuals, going to have ANY time to give them our ideas? After all, our

Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS Some simple rules to move things in your direction... 1. limit the size of loans or grants -

Re: [WISPA] Link problem

2009-03-03 Thread Joe Miller
LOL...Jack, I love the way you were able to troubleshoot his INDOOR link. Very informative. My hat's off to ya. Kudoos --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link problem To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from. There are some otherwise

Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'm probably more worried about you divulging my email address to them. I'm not a customer and not a user. What protections do *I* have when someone else gives them my email addy in an attempt to make me join the group? marlon - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Get your SRTM data from here... ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/ -Eric Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also,

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Mark McElvy
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflmao You guys really do give me FAR too much credit here! How the heck do I figure out which of those I need? Or do I need ALL of them? thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03,

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Marlon is going to get his tin foil hat out before he uses Paypal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:42 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened. Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say? I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and get some. How hard is that? Plus I get

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a

[WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the

[WISPA] e rate in Wa.

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hiya, Anyone in Wa. set up for e-rate? Can you suggest a lawyer to help me get set up for it? Or is there something else that I need to do? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of

[WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate as well... Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I get all that Brian. And, naturally you are right. I am sure that Roger is a great guy, if I ever get the chance to meet him I'd love to buy him a beer, on behalf of everyone that gets to take advantage of his hard work. I've give away more than a little of my own time and knowledge, with

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that area and create a printable map? If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want to do. I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with rm though. Do you have a suggestion

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Good idea. I'll try to remember to do that! marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Just for what it's worth, I have donated several

[WISPA] NS2 and EOC-2610

2009-03-03 Thread Blair Davis
Some interesting results from a side by side comparison of these radios... ubquity NS2 firmware XS2.ar2316.v3.1.1.3498.080725.1324 ap sees radio at -77 radio sees ap at -76 EnGenius EOC-2610 firmware 1.0.30 ap sees radio at -76 radio sees ap at -89 Transfer rates are within 5% of each

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site severing your

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers. How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage at 18 gig? Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place? I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all

Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Smith
I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be asked at the March 10 meeting. Looking at the agenda it will be mostly speeches by representatives from the various agencies. Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones telling us how it works

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-03 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve "committee" is more than a little bit risky. Have you considered going to someone who actually has this type of network design experience and paying them to do the whole job right the first time? Just asking. jack Marlon