Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
If it's anything like Part-15 vs. Part-90 for the XR3 and 3650, then there's actually LESS hoops to go through to use it vs. Part-15. I don't know the details of each of those bands, but it sounds like any statement saying you can't use homebrew is FUD. The FCC permits use of the XR3 in 3650,

[WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Joe Miller
This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread Adam Greene
You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread John McDowell
I'd use redline an80 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05,

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread Gino Villarini
AN80 would peak at about 70 mbps hdx..?? Have you seen more out of it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300 megs aggregate that we expect to see. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Got it. Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 I can only quote

Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-05 Thread Blake Bowers
Depends on what agency in the county want the grants, and what state. There is SCADS of money for Fire Departments and 4.9 gear. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K.

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
It will only do 50 FDX, not 100 FDX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject:

[WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread Blake Bowers
I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

[WISPA] FW: AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

2009-03-05 Thread Denise Hamilton
Dear Tom I have just joined the legislative list so apologies if this has already been sent out but would you please post the existing position paper WISPA already sent to the legislators? Thank you. ~ Denise Hamilton Rapid Systems 813-232-4887 x 101 Fax 813-236-0014

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yes, that's the plan. More of a mesh backhaul vs. hub and spoke or ring. We want a web with multiple paths from one side of the project to the other. marlon - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04,

Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread George Rogato
for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread George Rogato
I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you

Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Scott Carullo
I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list!

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'm just glad that only your foot went through the ceiling! As an FYI, if we do any damage to a house we send out the repair people. The customer still gets billed for our install, but we take care of fixing the damage that was done. My best one like this was when I removed a sat. dish and

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
It doesn't. You would use the Rebel in those locations. The R1 is for the lower traffic sites. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Brad Belton
RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400. RG8 has much less shielding and more loss than LMR400. I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400. I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations. We use the Times Clamp/Solder type for LMR400 and Clamp/Spring type for LMR600 and larger. We were

Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Brad Belton
Sorryjust noticed the original post was in regards to LMR195 and not LMR400. RG8 may very well be a better cable than LMR195...never used it. My guess is the LMR195 would still offer better shielding than RG8, but possibly more loss. Best, Brad -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread NGL
What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Joe Miller
Us kids are sore from falling,...lol --- On Thu, 3/5/09, NGL n...@ngl.net wrote: From: NGL n...@ngl.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:48 AM What wrong

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
You must be grandfathered from that law of gravity thing they just came up with!... must not affect you! :) har har ryan NGL wrote: What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Scott Reed
Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank

Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
And they are useless when the water tank is painted. The extra paint thickness causes the dimensions to change and the brake no longer slides on the pipe. -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Mark, I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Brent A Havens
Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries. Sent from my Windows MobileĀ® phone. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol).. Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself. But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Very true... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Yes, but

[WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Mark Nash
The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
Sure, Mikrotik for under $1,000. How much more does a pre-built solution have to cost anyways? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:50 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol).. Plus it's a full solution. no build it

Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'd have to do research... I've never gone looking for them before. Many guys within Motorola can help though... hit me offlist and I can provide some contacts Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Brent A Havens
Sorry, damn windows mobile. Sent from my Windows MobileĀ® phone. -Original Message- From: Brent A Havens bhav...@marktwain.coop Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:47 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Mark Nash
Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Joe Miller
It was an existing plate on the wall and I didn't have any on my truck at the time. I have them now. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for

[WISPA] OT: Navini equipment

2009-03-05 Thread Jason Hensley
Anyone interested? Hit me offlist if so and I'll send details. Just shut our old system down. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Josh Luthman
There are two methods I can say work. Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal. The purpose of the electrical tape is only to easily remove all the gunk off of the coax connector. I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending 15 to 30 minutes minimum trying to

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere.

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread jp
I would definitely seal a Ubiquiti Bullet if I put one outside, regardless of they their marketing says. Too many times, I have seen marketing departments show radios on a mast with blue indoor cat5 coming out, shiny unsealed coax connections, 80f, dry and sunny, etc... They have good

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Mark Nash
Thanks. Sounds like coax-seal electrical tape is a good solution. Anyone have other solutions? We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty. We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only break in the weather. I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread lakeland
Try the new silicone tape from Times Microwave. Works real nice and comes right off with a razor knife Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:14 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Josh Luthman
We used to use stuff that looks very similar to that (though definitely not exactly the same) when we used Tranzeo stuff - did not work well, I give it a D on weather proofing but an A on applying/removing. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=Wtrproofkiteq=Tp= Butyl tape might be nasty but applied right it creates a great weather seal. My recommendations is to put electrical tape down on the connector and cable before putting the butyl down then wrap the butyl first loosely with electrical

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Won't it only do 50 meg FDX? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... so now it works :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 05,

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, okay, then yes, it'll work. ;-) Anything faster than this radio and your best bet is a Trango or Dragonwave licensed product, correct? (I don't care about which is better, Trango or DragonWave.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

2009-03-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Yes... any licensed solution is the next step (well the PtP 500 Full would be cheaper than the licensed stuff too... and it is a much better radio from an RF standpoint I think) A PtP 600 will do it... but it costs more than the Dragonwave/Trango/Cablefree/Nera links out there. Daniel White 3-dB

[WISPA] Job in Memphis

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Long
Anyone in the Memphis area?? Had someone call us today about a property in Memphis that already has wireless gear(Meru) in and is wanting someone local to manage/maintain it for them. Hit me off list if interested. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread os10rules
A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-03-05 Thread Scottie Arnett
That's good toknow. I do not use it anyways. We do not have the slide for it, but the water guys do. I use two or three lanyards and the ladder rungs to climb them. Its much slower climb, but I get there eventually. Scottie -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
First coat. Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove 2nd http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthroughWT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic 3m mastic. It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs. Only a couple leaks. (probably user error) 3rd. Another

Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I wear that hat. "Jack of all trades, master of none" Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread eje
Sticky side and it will risk sliding especially when you weather seal a connector next to a case side. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:18:11 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread Matt Jenkins
I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread lakeland
Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread lakeland
An EM circuit is a transmit and receive audio pair ( ear and mouth to the old bell guys). Usually a dedicated circuit between 2 points. Put audio into the tx pair and it comes out the receive pair on the other end Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread John Thomas
That's EM, it's used to connect to analog voice stuff, in place of FXS or FXO cards. John Matt Jenkins wrote: I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread RickG
Gives a new meaning to truck roll!!! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time

Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-05 Thread George Rogato
Brian It's bits for transfer and bytes for file sizes. Lots of people get that mixed up. Hope that helps George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I wear that hat. Jack of all trades, master of none Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to

Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread George Rogato
D. Ryan Spott wrote: My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Not sure about this. I use rubber and sometimes we put vinyl tape as a 2nd layer. But I have never seen the rubber tape fail, except, the cheap junk you get in a true value

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread Blake Bowers
It was my error, em, not e to m. Ear to Mouth. Basically just makes an analog pipe. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Dun dun dun - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-05 Thread George Rogato
I had a partner years ago was a computer guy. We opened a new store in another city and he wanted to have a hole cut in the wall for a big window type deal between the retail end and the tech desk. I told him to wait till I cam up to do some other work. Instead he took one of my small trim