Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-06 Thread Dylan Oliver
8 bits per byte that's all. -- Dylan Oliver WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:

[WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

2009-03-06 Thread John McDowell
I know this has been posted before,but with no one really having any resources for this. Does ANYONE have any info on how to do this, or who to get the magnets from?? I have two tripods from SitePro1. Thanks in advance! -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne,

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Joe Miller
Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date:

Re: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

2009-03-06 Thread Joe Miller
Before you go down this road with magnets, are the water towers that you are using have external I-beem support over the top of the water tower? If you do, I would suggest using beem clamps to attach the the water tower. It is a lot more cost effect solution. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, John

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-06 Thread Paul Kralovec
How much for the 1710 and 3600? Where are they coming from and is shipping included? Paul D. Kralovec President Unplugged Cities, LLC 511 11th Ave. S Suite 241 Minneapolis, MN 55415 W: 763-235-3001 F: 763-647-7998 C: 952-270-9107 www.unpluggedcities.com -Original

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
3m 2228 self vulcanizing rubber tape. Covered with 3m 33+ electrical tape. I've NEVER had one leak when done this way. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It might be a little bit. But ONLY if you use the GOOD stuff. I pay just short of $7 per roll, not $2. It also helps force the rubber blob into all the nooks and crannies. Often as not I come back a couple of years down the road and find that the vinyl tape has actually drifted clear off the

Re: [WISPA] Rare Earth Magnet Tripod for Water Tank

2009-03-06 Thread John McDowell
no, it doesn't.. bummer On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Before you go down this road with magnets, are the water towers that you are using have external I-beem support over the top of the water tower? If you do, I would suggest using beem clamps to

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
This is how we do it too. If you want a face plate, you are going to pay for it. We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate. Brian Joe Miller wrote: Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K.

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing. Once. It didn't leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just couldn't bring myself to do it again. I'd rather take the time to remove the

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead connectors and n-m piggys. Hopefully, from now on I can just change the electronics and not have to even touch the coax. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Amen. I run the nf bulkhaed, and it goes right into the enclosure. I can change out bad piggies or go from u.fl to mmcx or add a filter or whatever I want. No weather proofing needed. I like it a lot. Brian Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread George Rogato
A face plate is only like .25 unless you add a ring. What I do, quite a bit, is I drill under the based board. I pull the carpet back away from and under the baseboard and usually you will find a space between 1/4 and 1/2 there. Thats where I drill. No holes exposed and the carpet just tucks

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread George Rogato
I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top with extreme elements. I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of wind and rain. I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least in all that time, and quality rubber tape

[WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

2009-03-06 Thread Alan Long
I have a dorm that wants to put in 3 video cameras to monitor the doors, and the want to be able to remote in from web and look at cameras. Thanks for any help.. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

2009-03-06 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
It's hard to beat Costco: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11334480whse=BCtopnav=; browse=lang=en-USs=1 with a big hard drive and browser-viewing locally or anywhere. The whole thing, cameras, console with Web server and hard 1/4gig hard drive, etc., for $299. . . . J o n a t h a

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Drew Lentz
I've used a couple of different methods, but one of my favorite (a little more expensive) is Huber Suhner FastWrap: http://www.hubersuhner.ca/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connectors /hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw I've used it from coast to coast to coast .. San fran to

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

2009-03-06 Thread eje
Check out Q-See. Globalcomputers.com sell those. I had good luck with their DVR and cameras. They got indoor and outdoor cameras. They are affordable. They have everything from simple 2 channel solutions to more advanced 16 channels. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Joe Miller
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 -

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That looks like the same product as the 3m 2228 that I have the local hardware store order for me. marlon - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Brad Belton
Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread RickG
I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread jp
several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull. On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread RickG
I've done the same in many cases and that takes care of the radio side. The problem is you cant get away from the connection to the antenna side. -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Jeff Ehman
You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Wisp
For cat5 runs is the weight of the cable not hard in it if it is just hanging in the conduit? Du you put junction boxes every x feet to strap down? Cliff Olle President Eccentrix Technologies, LLC (512) 426-4929 cl...@eccentrixtechnologies.com On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:39 PM, jp

Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking at a TrendNet system. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Marlon's stuck in 1995. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Don't forget the expansion joints. I have seen that stuff lookin pretty much like a snake on a good warm day. Brian RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM,

[WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

2009-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
Have they managed to get the FCC to release the full 50 MHz channel space for this product yet? Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: We've been using the AN80 3.65 PtP with great success. -Matt On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Blair Davis
We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago. best thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability. Jeff Ehman wrote: You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

2009-03-06 Thread Blair Davis
This is an interesting idea But, different operating frequency's, different proprietary equipment, I'm not sure it is practical. One of my 'neighbors' uses Canopy on 900MHz. Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think. Another is 2.4GHz 802.11b/g. I use 2.4GHz, some b/g, some proprietary,

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Josh Luthman
There's at least two us that use the enormous mowhawk cable on towers and really good Belden elsewhere. On 3/6/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago.  best thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability. Jeff Ehman wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

2009-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: This is an interesting idea But,  different operating frequency's,  different proprietary equipment, I'm not sure it is practical.  One of my 'neighbors' uses Canopy on 900MHz. Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think. 

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread Travis Johnson
The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 card. No where during the registration process does it say the radio and antenna and everything else has to be certified as a "system". I can

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP and client

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Scott Piehn
We strap the conduit to the tower, junction boxes only where needed to drop cable out for equipment. Normally just at the top To handle the weight of the cable on itself, we bundle the cable on the ground with 1 or 2 separate pull strings that are wound around the cable and taped every 5 feet.

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread RickG
But, can you get ethernet cable that will stand up to sandblasting a water tank? -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Not mine, but http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393licKey=2969764rsc=NN That's a Ubiquiti XR3. It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus or because it doesn't matter. Nor does antenna gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Simply not going to happen. WiMAX gear is way too expensive for what little it delivers. The frequencies\power aren't yet there to deliver mobility cost effectively. Far too many Indians and not enough chiefs. The cable industry has Comcast, Charter, Mediacom. The worst of those has to have

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
My system is fully licensed. Please don't use your ignorance to try to insult me in public. I suggest you attempt, for once, to know exactly what you're talking about before you go start demanding I do a damn thing for you. The FCC grant for the equipment I have in use occurred about 8-10

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Ok, smart alec. Call sign: WQJC592 It's all there in black and white. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Antenna gain does matter. UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I first filed for the license. Useful only for P2P, actually. You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna specified. insert witty

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Absolutely none of this is possible with unlicensed spectrum. If you're saying that it's our fault that there's no high power protected spectrum to use that doesn't cost mega millions like the cellular guys paid, then, I guess we're at fault. Until you can make the case for that point, I'm in