Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
Interesting, I never would have thought that much. I was thinking more of about 3-4 degrees. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
What is the terrain like? How much foliage are you trying to get through? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:42 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' 10-12 miles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' Depends on your distance to the target audience Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:25:10 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Business Systems Connection Newest WISPAVendor Member
I have been using these guys for a few years now, they have always done well by us. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:11 PM To: announceme...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Business Systems Connection Newest WISPAVendor Member I would like to welcome Mike Mesey of Business Systems Connection, Inc. as our newest Vendor Member. Below is a short company bio. BSC has also announced a member discount located on the Vendor Member Discounts Page http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=256 . Established in 1997, BSC is a well established reseller of New and Refurbished Data Networking, Voice and Video Communication products. Our specialty is Wireless Networking Systems and Components. We stock thousands of items in our 20,000 square foot warehouse facility. Centrally located just south of St. Louis, Missouri, we are within 2 - 3 days Ground Service to most of the lower 48 States. We constantly evaluate market changes to keep our pricing structure competitive and we pride ourselves on high levels of customer service. Our in-house technical staff is always available to answer your questions and help you in selecting the right equipment solution for your application. We understand that our long-term success depends upon the success of our customers. Come browse our inventory at www.bizsyscon.com and you're sure to find a deal. In addition to our extensive inventory of products, we also provide Asset Management and Network Design services. We are always looking to purchase New, Overstock, Used and Out-of-Service Networking equipment at wholesale prices. You can contact our purchasing department about selling your excess equipment at purchas...@bizsyscon.com . We'll help you turn that unwanted equipment into cash. Thanks, Mike Mesey Business Systems Connection, Inc. 636-600-1400 ph 636-600-1401 fax http://www.bizsyscon.com www.bizsyscon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though). I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified. 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3 db line. 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended coverage. 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected coverage area. These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something. Regards Michael Baird I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
The best way to do this is to set up a cpe unit at your FURTHEST customer site and one at your CLOSEST site. Aim for the best signal at the furthest site, then check at the closest site. If you need more signal at the closer site just aim down a little bit more and make sure that the signal is still OK at the far site. Me, I just eyeball them. Antennas are far from perfect. A couple of * off will normally make little or no difference in real world coverage. marlon - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' Interesting, I never would have thought that much. I was thinking more of about 3-4 degrees. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction. Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive too much interference in my areas. I'd be hesitant to put 900 over 150 feet. But anything going that high up should be a high quality antenna, anything else is false economy in the event it needs repair or replacement. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:42:57AM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
They all work because antennas do NOT just stop radiating in a given direction. They actually send energy all over the place, it's just stronger in one direction than in the others. We often talk about antennas like a flashlight, but that's not really quite accurate. It's more like a light bulb with a sheet of paper behind it. You'll not see as much light, depending on the type of paper, but you'll still see some. Same thing goes for the sides marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though). I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified. 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3 db line. 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended coverage. 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected coverage area. These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something. Regards Michael Baird I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
[WISPA] Conference
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Re: [WISPA] Conference
He said he would be there. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Conference Is that Tom DeReggi in the background? * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Conference
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Re: [WISPA] Conference
http://www.speche.com/Livetranscripts/0ba3d578-556b-438e-b304-60128fc87dc1-1033.htm#ScrollPoint - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Conference Is that Tom DeReggi in the background? * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Conference
Damn, I missed the meeting. What happened? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Conference Is that Tom DeReggi in the background? * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Very nice Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower (increase strike damage?)
Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping at the block to the other pairs? Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/10/09 07:19:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But not that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to same AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:14:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did a lot of work improving grounding but I am still worried. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Right. I guess the only difference is that separate shielding over a long parallel run. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But not that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to same AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:14:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Uh, ok you can do this if you want to run more than six radios off of one 25pr cable...than sure. But why if you have the equivalent of six cables run? We just run another 25pr and double our radio capacity from 6 to 12. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other radios. = snip Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping at the block to the other pairs? Dylan = snip On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
I guess the short answer, IMO and experience, is no. It's not as if we've just started doing this, but actually have years of experience with this type of very simple installation. Do you now understand that all six radios are NOT powered off of a single pair? Each radio has all eight conductors available to it no different than running six cables for six radios. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other radios. = snip Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping at the block to the other pairs? Dylan = snip On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Well shucks.. you just saved countless CPE from being fried... :) yes, 1,2,3 and 6. I am not so good at the typin' stuff! ryan Adam Goodman wrote: Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Wow...no offense, but I give up. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use. If you just try matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6 working Ethernet cables. For short runs you could probably get away with not following the standard but don't try it for long runs. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
By wire I mean the 25 pair single core cable. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too. Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use. If you just try matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6 working Ethernet cables. For short runs you could probably get away with not following the standard but don't try it for long runs. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too. Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use. If you just try matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6 working Ethernet cables. For short runs you could probably get away with not following the standard but don't try it for long runs. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? -
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
We don't do this, as we have radios at various heights on the tower. Here is an example of our antennas being at different heights: http://www.f64.nu/gallery2007/view_photo.php?full=1set_albumName=album128id=DSC2218 This uses mostly coax except for hoz antenna on a standoff which uses cat5 up the tower, but you get the idea. Vertical separation is good. I can't really imagine running a conduit, putting in a 25pr, installling a cabinet at height, punchdown blocks, etc... is that much easier than just strapping on a cat5 when you need to install something. If you're going to having a junction box up high, that generally means to me putting cat5 in between the radio and the junction box and putting rj45 connectors on while strapped to the tower in a swift cold wind. We generally put together the cable end on the ground, send it up with the climber, and when it's in place, we chop it from the spool on the ground and do the ground termination on the ground. The climber fastens the rest of it to the tower as he descends. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:29:01PM -0400, Adam Goodman wrote: Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Conference
The 15 Questions on the Federal Registar. Are we going to list them here and discuss them in this forum? The legislative forum? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2009/FR_BTOP_RFI_090312.pdf Due 30 days from today. Data gathering for the grant applications. Providing service to the underserved or unserved. What resources are being utilized or can be utilized to gather this information on a wide scale? ~ Denise Hamilton Rapid Systems 813-232-4887 x 101 Fax 813-236-0014 den...@rapidsys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Conference We need to consider each application in terms of will it increase broadband affordability and subscribership, will it provide the greatest broadband speed to the most users? Will it enhance service for health care, education or children? And whether or not the applicant is a socially and economically disadvantaged small business. Hopefully this means the money is for us and not ATT\Comcast. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Conference Is that Tom DeReggi in the background? * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIC-155 cost?
ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet converters? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost?
Last I checked I think they were about $3500 a pair for the GigE version and $2500 for the 100MB version. Ahhh, found an old quote for the standard 100MB version from my RAD Representative back on 9-2-04: (2) RIC-155/AC/SC13MM1207.50ea $2415.00total I have one GigE version on the shelf I picked up the other day...still have my eye out for another to make a pair. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost? ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet converters? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
I'd argue none of the 3 above. For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise Downtilt until your mainlobe (3db mark) edge is no longer going beyond your maximum intended coverage range, or a bit more, if you can afford further isolation from the potential adjacent cell interference source. The primary goal is to keep harmfull interference from shooting off to the horizon (ultimately protecting your network since receive gain/beamwidth is reciprocal). How much tilt is required to do that, depends on the antenna beamwidth, and the height that you decide to install at, for what ever reason. In 5.8G its less critical because you can make up for it on CPE side antenna side, and ther eare much fewer noise sources at 5.8Ghz. That is until your 5.8G area gets congested :-( But because 5.8G may have smaller verticle beamwidths, the nearfield potentially could be more of a concern, that the other freqs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though). I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified. 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3 db line. 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended coverage. 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected coverage area. These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something. Regards Michael Baird I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 3/9/2009 7:14 AM
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
Thats what I thought to, originally. Originally it was a Horiz omni at 175ft, vert omni at 150 feet. Then it became 3 sectors at 200ft. (I have 70-100ft mature trees around) But I had to move them up. I was able to double my customer coverage area by going to 425ft high. There becomes a ratio of how much loss your trees give compared to the interference of going higher. In my case thick pine trees, and dirt on rolling hills, caused much more loss than interference did. (And I was in very high Interference areas) Height was absolutely required, because it minimized the number of tree tops that the signal had to go through significantly. (Actually its feasible my antennas were at heights above the noise height, at 425 ft, considering many interfering rooftop 900Mhz antennas were on 5 story height buildings in nearby cities) But when being that high Adequate downtilt was absolutely required. I wanted to restrict to 3-5 mile coverage, for my core target. As was Horizontal pol, and High quality F/B ratio Tiltek sectors, as was 10-15 feet min verticle seperation per antenna. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction. Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive too much interference in my areas. I'd be hesitant to put 900 over 150 feet. But anything going that high up should be a high quality antenna, anything else is false economy in the event it needs repair or replacement. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:42:57AM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this
Re: [WISPA] Conference
yep :-) It was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] Conference Is that Tom DeReggi in the background? * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 3/10/2009 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
Tom, that's option 1, which I think you suggested earlier, and why I put it on my list. 1). Downtilt enough so all customers fall within the main lobes -3db mark. Regards Michael Baird I'd argue none of the 3 above. For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise Downtilt until your mainlobe (3db mark) edge is no longer going beyond your maximum intended coverage range, or a bit more, if you can afford further isolation from the potential adjacent cell interference source. The primary goal is to keep harmfull interference from shooting off to the horizon (ultimately protecting your network since receive gain/beamwidth is reciprocal). How much tilt is required to do that, depends on the antenna beamwidth, and the height that you decide to install at, for what ever reason. In 5.8G its less critical because you can make up for it on CPE side antenna side, and ther eare much fewer noise sources at 5.8Ghz. That is until your 5.8G area gets congested :-( But because 5.8G may have smaller verticle beamwidths, the nearfield potentially could be more of a concern, that the other freqs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though). I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified. 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3 db line. 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended coverage. 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected coverage area. These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something. Regards Michael Baird I disagree, Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz sectors. Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg vert beamwidth. 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon. 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles. 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles. 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt. But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a single degree. The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! coverage at optimal signal strength. The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away. With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold. 1) The noise floor is ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage in a path. The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as needed on links without foliage loss. In my 900 deployments, I have found that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good versus bad link. Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts. The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage area. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Does the Radwin have spectrum management tools like Motorola high speed backhauls? Thanks -Jon 3-dB Networks wrote: The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol).. Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself. But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5 8-R2) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST. :) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] schools
Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Hmmm...might still have that email... evil grin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Just noticed Adam, your in Great Barrington, Very nice area. I'm from the other side of Mass myself. I remember those thunder storms. Adam Goodman wrote: Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did a lot of work improving grounding but I am still worried. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] schools
Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread. I smell politics. Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
LOL, riding his unicycle... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] schools
Not sure Brad. I was doing some math the other day. $1 Trillion divided by the US population of 303,824,640= $3291.37 USD per person. Question is, what is a household? Average household size. 2.59 http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts ( Has 2007 population statistics) Answer: $8,524.6483 per average American household. See all they got to do is raise our taxes and it will be paid off in no time. (Was meant to be sarcastic) Hope this was helpful. George Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the governments commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nations home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus was just a plain and simple check cut to each household. The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything that is being spent. The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it. Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k! Puts things a little more in perspective. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok sid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
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Yeah, but that's taking supposed stimulus over the last several *years*, and most of that isn't even stimulus money in the first place (FDIC money isn't stimulus money in nearly any definition but the author's) and much of the rest of the article is speculative at best. It isn't even remotely true that the _stimulus_ is within spitting distance of the claimed $9.7 trillion. Now if the *stimulus* money were *really* $7+ trillion life would be very interesting indeed. Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I knew you would pick up on that ! :) George Brad Belton wrote: Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
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The problem is, if everyone was given $10K, it'd be truly worthless. There aren't any more goods produced by issuing checks like that...just more cash-which means inflation of a most extreme sort. There's that risk as it is, but at least there's some attempt to focus on how it's used (I'm not saying I agree with any of this by the way. I know something's got to be done, but I doubt it is clear to anyone just what that something really should be). Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus was just a plain and simple check cut to each household. The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything that is being spent. The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it. Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k! Puts things a little more in perspective. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok sid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it?
Re: [WISPA] schools
On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote: I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't know dinky-do. I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be all that economic stress is addling my brain! Chuck I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not
Re: [WISPA] schools
Don't worry Chuck, your not alone. I've resigned myself to it's interesting conversation and no matter what I or most think, it doesn't matter anyways. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote: I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't know dinky-do. I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be all that economic stress is addling my brain! Chuck I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help. I'd have NEVER figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing. We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable. In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all day or more! Thanks again Jerry! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Wasn't Blett Grass involved in this thread somehow? (trying to bypass the universal mailling list spam filter with my misspelling :^) Larsen Bob Moldashel wrote: Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Depends on when, but I was there too. I haven't been there for years. I moved to P15 when I found that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Oh man. Now I'm gonna have nightmares again! I hope he fell off the face of the earth! lol marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Allen Marsalis -- was -- Re: OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Hey Allen, Your name has come up yet again! When are you gonna buy a couple of radios and come back to the only job you've ever been good at?? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile LOL, riding his unicycle... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] schools
In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] schools
Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today!
