Re: [WISPA] National Broadband availability - a simple solution to themapping problem.

2009-03-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brian,

That is good information regarding Census Block.  I had no idea there was 
an area tracked that small comparatively to ZipCode.

Although WISPs may not like the headache of complicating their Form477, I'd 
argue, that Census Block would be a better unit for measuring unserved or 
underserved or rural areas.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: Motorola Canopy List motor...@wispa.org; WISPA List 
wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: [WISPA] National Broadband availability - a simple solution to 
themapping problem.


 The 350 million dollars allocated for a national broadband mapping is way
 more than necessary. Read through this message to get an idea of the issue
 and examine the attached maps to see what we are dealing with using any
 particular level of mapping detail. This is obviously just my opinion but
 one worth consideration.

 I have attached map images of Tom Green County, Texas with the different
 polygons the Census Bureau uses in their demographic tabulations. I chose
 this county because it seems to be a decent cross section of rural America
 but also has a high population density area.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Green_County,_Texas

 Here are the raw numbers, but you need to look at the attached images to 
 see
 how the totals can be deceiving when compared to the map:

 Zip Code Tabulation areas = 13 (These polygons are made up by the Census
 Bureau, the post office does not create zip code polygons, zip codes are
 linear routing for them)
 The FCC already has this data collected using the Form 477.

 Census Tracts = 23 (look in the rural areas outside San Angelo to see that
 they are actually much bigger than the zip code areas)
 This is the level of reporting required on the new Form 477.

 Census Block Groups = 101

 Census Blocks = 5241 (even in the rural areas these are much smaller than
 Tracts or Zip Codes). Blocks are the most granular level studied by the
 Census.

 The problem with the FCC data in the current state is, if there is just 
 one
 single customer reported as served in a polygon, they show the whole area 
 as
 being served by broadband. We know the number of households in each of the
 polygons (Census 2000 Figures). If the FCC totaled the number of 
 subscribers
 for all form 477 respondents and then divided that by the total 
 households,
 we could have a percentage of the households served within each polygon.
 This would be much better than an all or nothing reporting method. This
 would also not cost anywhere near 350 million dollars to report broadband
 availability to the public. If the total subscribers was aggregated by all
 carriers (removing the data for Satellite Internet), you would not know 
 the
 specific totals for each provider, thus preserving private information.

 Just thought I would post this for all to see and become familiar with the
 issue.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster








 
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[WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

2009-03-31 Thread Rogelio
I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus 
dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop.

A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I 
was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a vendor.



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Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

2009-03-31 Thread Steve Barnes
If you are starting out looking at CPE's, it is my opinion that you are 
starting at the wrong end. Maybe you already have this all thought out and 
planned. Tranzeo is a fine product I own hundreds of them.  However, you need 
to start at the beginning and look at internet backhaul, then the distribution 
to the towers and how you're going to manage clients.  Then you need to 
determine the proper frequencies for your location which is determined by Line 
of sight obstacles and noise from competitors and other factors. These will all 
lead to a decision as to what equipment is best suited for your location.  That 
is the right step.  Deciding on the equipment you want to use then trying to 
make it fit your location will cause you countless hours of frustration.

Tranzeo makes a great line of 2.4 CPE's. Consistent in quality and look.  Price 
is OK as long as you buy in quantity.  There are other options that may give 
you better control depending on your circumstances.  Don't start out without 
traveling some and discussing the growing pains with someone who has been there 
and who is not your closest competitor.  

You might also look at partnerships with other WISP's in your area.  It is 
always good to have someone to fall back-on when the going gets tough (and it 
will).

My opinion. And like butt-holes everyone has one and most shouldn't let theirs 
out. But I just did.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Of Rogelio
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus 
dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop.

A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I 
was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a vendor.



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Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

2009-03-31 Thread Rogelio
Thanks, Steve. Your advice is helpful.

(I actually already have all of the other vendor pieces. I am now just 
looking for CPE devices to put on the roofs of the houses that subscribe.)





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Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

2009-03-31 Thread Martha Huizenga
Definitely good info Steve. Sometimes we need people to put out their 
opinion before we make the wrong move. This wasn't controversial at all, 
just good points. I like that kind of post!

Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
*/Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community

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Steve Barnes wrote:
 If you are starting out looking at CPE's, it is my opinion that you are 
 starting at the wrong end. Maybe you already have this all thought out and 
 planned. Tranzeo is a fine product I own hundreds of them.  However, you need 
 to start at the beginning and look at internet backhaul, then the 
 distribution to the towers and how you're going to manage clients.  Then you 
 need to determine the proper frequencies for your location which is 
 determined by Line of sight obstacles and noise from competitors and other 
 factors. These will all lead to a decision as to what equipment is best 
 suited for your location.  That is the right step.  Deciding on the equipment 
 you want to use then trying to make it fit your location will cause you 
 countless hours of frustration.

 Tranzeo makes a great line of 2.4 CPE's. Consistent in quality and look.  
 Price is OK as long as you buy in quantity.  There are other options that may 
 give you better control depending on your circumstances.  Don't start out 
 without traveling some and discussing the growing pains with someone who has 
 been there and who is not your closest competitor.  

 You might also look at partnerships with other WISP's in your area.  It is 
 always good to have someone to fall back-on when the going gets tough (and it 
 will).

 My opinion. And like butt-holes everyone has one and most shouldn't let 
 theirs out. But I just did.

 Steve Barnes
 RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Rogelio
 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

 I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus 
 dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop.

 A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I 
 was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a vendor.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

2009-03-31 Thread Jason Hensley
I would second what Steve has said as well, but my questino to you would be
that if you have all other vendor pieces figured out, why not stay with your
AP vendor for your CPE's?  Depending on AP's, you might actually HAVE to
stay with the same vendor.  I would hop you have considered that as well.
We have a second network that we inherited from a company we merged with
that would supposedly support generic CPE's.  Well, it does, but it takes
some workarounds to make it work like we want. 

My personal experience with Tranzeo is mixed.  I have a few Tranzeo AP's,
and some CPE's, that have been in the air for about 4 years that I never
have to touch.  But, I went through a time about 2.5 years ago when Tranzeo
evidently had a bad run of CPE's or something and it burned me on them.  I
got some Deliberant gear in and wouldn't change it for the world.
Deliberant, at least at that time, offered better features, better support,
and a better price.  Not sure how they compare now though, but I think the
situation is about the same.  Only thing I have negative on Deliberant
radios is that their interface is still a bit slow, but I really think
they're making improvements over what it was at one time. 
 

 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:14 PM
To: Steve Barnes
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community

Thanks, Steve. Your advice is helpful.

(I actually already have all of the other vendor pieces. I am now just
looking for CPE devices to put on the roofs of the houses that subscribe.)






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