Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

Have to disagree with Tom's advice here.  It is never a good idea to
briefly/temporarily change channels within a licensed band without
consulting a qualified frequency coordinator.

We did consider interference as a possibility once upon a time, but
consulted with our frequency coordinator before trying a different channel
plan.  Only after indentifying a second available freq pair did we change
channels briefly/temporarily just to see if interference was the issue.  It
was not.  

While interference is possible in the licensed bands it will most likely be
caused by someone "briefly/temporarily" changing channels when they
shouldn't.

You can also simply turn off the transmitter on the far side and view RSSI
readings.  If they show higher than what your expected noise floor should be
then you might have an interfering source to hunt down.  Simply changing
channels at will briefly or otherwise within licensed bands should never be
attempted.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If 
your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you 
are having.
You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem


> Going to need lots more info to be able to help.
>
> Cable run length and type of cable used.
> What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis
> What is your targetrssi set to
> What are your cableloss settings
> What is your power set to
> Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results
> What version software are you running on both sides
>
> Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send 
> me
> the results off list.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
> packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
> affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
> ends
>
> anyway to tell where the problem is?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

[Tom DeReggi]

Big Brother already started comming with those darn Traffic Cameras.  I got 
6 tickets (40mph in newly posted 25-30 mph zones) within 2 weeks.
They plan to eventually have them at EVERY Intersection here.
I'm suspecting more privacy will be lost as more networks become 
operated/controlled by governments.
I'm hoping the Broadband Stimulus "public safety" goals means mobile 
broadband to officers on the street or inter-agency, and not more traffic 
control.
PS. A little off topic to Cyber Security, but relevent to Big Brother :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...


> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/
>
> Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and
> moaning about how Bush violated our rights...
>
> Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Tom DeReggi]

Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If 
your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you 
are having.
You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem


> Going to need lots more info to be able to help.
>
> Cable run length and type of cable used.
> What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis
> What is your targetrssi set to
> What are your cableloss settings
> What is your power set to
> Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results
> What version software are you running on both sides
>
> Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send 
> me
> the results off list.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
> packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
> affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
> ends
>
> anyway to tell where the problem is?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

[reader]

Another interesting article in the same theme...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-Proposed-Federalization-of-the-Computer-Security-Field-297694/

SSDD...







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Subject: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...


> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/
>
> Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and
> moaning about how Bush violated our rights...
>
> Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.
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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/

Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and 
moaning about how Bush violated our rights...

Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.










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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back tocheaper bandwidth?

[Blake Bowers]

Don't believe it.  ATC charges simply because they can.  And to
be blunt, they really don't care much about a prospective customer
unless it is a cellular customer.

I know, and others know, where the majority of the prints on the
AT&T towers are kept, and so does both AT&T and ATC.  They
simply have no desire to worry about them as they can charge you
for the study.  And don't think that the next renter won't have to pay,
as every customer changes the engineering somewhat.

You know that AT&T had more than one copy of the engineering
for the towers, no one employee got to keep them all.

There is a company in GA that has the prints also for almost all
of the long lines towers, they are quite reasonable to purchase.

Even when dealing with AT&T directly for space on towers
they still own - there is a minimum 2500.00 application fee.

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Nathan Stooke" 
To: ; "'Motorola Canopy List'" ; 
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back 
tocheaper bandwidth?


> Hello,
>
> This is neat to see.  I know a lot of the Western Union towers where
> taken down.  At least in the Midwest, we had a WISP in our area that was
> taking them down for years as a side job.
>
> I wish it was easy to rent from American.  We tried to get on 10 of
> the old ATT towers in our area, but American had to do an engineering 
> study
> and site plan for each one. That was going to cost us about $5000 each. 
> We
> had to pay for it because we where the first company wanting to get on the
> tower.  Seems when they bought the towers, the ATT guy that managed them 
> for
> 40 years keep the plans as part of the severance pay.  He held out on
> American so long they just said forget it we are not going to buy the 
> plans
> for the towers.  I have tried to tell them our gear is so small it will 
> not
> matter, but they insist on doing the site plan and engineering study.  So 
> we
> never got on any of the towers and do this day no one else has either.
>
> I hope American someday wants to rent space on them.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Brian Webster
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:51 PM
> To: Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org; WISPA List
> Subject: [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper
> bandwidth?
>
>I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around
> the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that 
> would
> be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day
> fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around
> the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old AT&T long
> lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network.
>If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths
> from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place
> and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of
> them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on
> the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be 
> easy
> to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it
> should be easy to get bandwidth.
>Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the
> WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets.
> Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun!
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

Ahhh, I see you're replying on and off list.  No problem for me to reply on
list...I was only concerned with sharing your information on a group list.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Replied off list...


Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Whats the relation of target rssi and real rssi?

If I change target rssi on end 1, rssi changes on the linktest on end 1
without touching power on end 2 ...wtf?

Atpc is off on both ends 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:58 PM
To: Gino Villarini
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

If you are running 100' of LMR400 on each end then your cableloss
settings are probably close enough, but I'd adjust them slightly to
this:

cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9

Check now and see if your "End 1" link 10 results have improved.

If not then adjust your "End 1" targetrssi from -35 to -31 and run your
link 10 command again.


We've never enabled ATPC, so I'm not sure if that is helping you are
possibly hurting you.  Let's disable it on both ends and see if we can
manually get the link to settle in with better than -32db MSE and
0.00E+00 BER readings.  We'll do this by adjusting your power levels,
targetrssi and cableloss settings.

What does your path analysis show your expected RSSI should be and at
what power level?

I assume this link has production traffic running across it and can't be
taken offline?


Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031







-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: b...@belwave.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end

Linktest 10 results

End 1

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.42E-07
  2> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.58 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -31.00 dBm  -27.09 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.82 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   7.11E-10
  7> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.95 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.84 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.54 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.69E-10
(trango-view)# 

End 2 


Trango Broadband Wireless:  TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface
v2.3.8

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.61 dB   4.09E-10
  2> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.60 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.63 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.90 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  7> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.68 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.46 dB   0.00E+00
(trango-view)# 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for
months not realizing we had made mistakes until later.

Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the
type and length of cable on each end.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis Wh

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

Replied off list...


Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Whats the relation of target rssi and real rssi?

If I change target rssi on end 1, rssi changes on the linktest on end 1
without touching power on end 2 ...wtf?

Atpc is off on both ends 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:58 PM
To: Gino Villarini
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

If you are running 100' of LMR400 on each end then your cableloss
settings are probably close enough, but I'd adjust them slightly to
this:

cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9

Check now and see if your "End 1" link 10 results have improved.

If not then adjust your "End 1" targetrssi from -35 to -31 and run your
link 10 command again.


We've never enabled ATPC, so I'm not sure if that is helping you are
possibly hurting you.  Let's disable it on both ends and see if we can
manually get the link to settle in with better than -32db MSE and
0.00E+00 BER readings.  We'll do this by adjusting your power levels,
targetrssi and cableloss settings.

What does your path analysis show your expected RSSI should be and at
what power level?

I assume this link has production traffic running across it and can't be
taken offline?


Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031







-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: b...@belwave.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end

Linktest 10 results

End 1

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.42E-07
  2> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.58 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -31.00 dBm  -27.09 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.82 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   7.11E-10
  7> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.95 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.84 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.54 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.69E-10
(trango-view)# 

End 2 


Trango Broadband Wireless:  TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface
v2.3.8

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.61 dB   4.09E-10
  2> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.60 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.63 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.90 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  7> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.68 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.46 dB   0.00E+00
(trango-view)# 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for
months not realizing we had made mistakes until later.

Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the
type and length of cable on each end.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
send me the results off list.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Gino Villarini]

Whats the relation of target rssi and real rssi?

If I change target rssi on end 1, rssi changes on the linktest on end 1
without touching power on end 2 ...wtf?

Atpc is off on both ends 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:58 PM
To: Gino Villarini
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

If you are running 100' of LMR400 on each end then your cableloss
settings are probably close enough, but I'd adjust them slightly to
this:

cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9

Check now and see if your "End 1" link 10 results have improved.

If not then adjust your "End 1" targetrssi from -35 to -31 and run your
link 10 command again.


We've never enabled ATPC, so I'm not sure if that is helping you are
possibly hurting you.  Let's disable it on both ends and see if we can
manually get the link to settle in with better than -32db MSE and
0.00E+00 BER readings.  We'll do this by adjusting your power levels,
targetrssi and cableloss settings.

What does your path analysis show your expected RSSI should be and at
what power level?

I assume this link has production traffic running across it and can't be
taken offline?


Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031







-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: b...@belwave.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end

Linktest 10 results

End 1

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.42E-07
  2> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.58 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -31.00 dBm  -27.09 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.82 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   7.11E-10
  7> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.95 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.84 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.54 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.69E-10
(trango-view)# 

End 2 


Trango Broadband Wireless:  TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface
v2.3.8

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.61 dB   4.09E-10
  2> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.60 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.63 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.90 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  7> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.68 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.46 dB   0.00E+00
(trango-view)# 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for
months not realizing we had made mistakes until later.

Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the
type and length of cable on each end.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
send me the results off list.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
p

Re: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?

[reader]

There's a bunch of that stuff up here in Eastern Oregon and Southeast 
Washington, too.

I have no idea what's still active and what's not.





- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "Motorola Canopy List" ; ; "WISPA 
List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?


>I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around
> the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that 
> would
> be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day
> fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around
> the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old AT&T long
> lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network.
>If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths
> from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place
> and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of
> them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on
> the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be 
> easy
> to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it
> should be easy to get bandwidth.
>Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the
> WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets.
> Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun!
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>





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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

This is neat to see.  I know a lot of the Western Union towers where
taken down.  At least in the Midwest, we had a WISP in our area that was
taking them down for years as a side job.

I wish it was easy to rent from American.  We tried to get on 10 of
the old ATT towers in our area, but American had to do an engineering study
and site plan for each one. That was going to cost us about $5000 each.  We
had to pay for it because we where the first company wanting to get on the
tower.  Seems when they bought the towers, the ATT guy that managed them for
40 years keep the plans as part of the severance pay.  He held out on
American so long they just said forget it we are not going to buy the plans
for the towers.  I have tried to tell them our gear is so small it will not
matter, but they insist on doing the site plan and engineering study.  So we
never got on any of the towers and do this day no one else has either.

I hope American someday wants to rent space on them.

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:51 PM
To: Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org; WISPA List
Subject: [WISPA Members] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper
bandwidth?

I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around
the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that would
be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day
fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around
the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old AT&T long
lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network.
If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths
from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place
and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of
them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on
the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be easy
to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it
should be easy to get bandwidth.
Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the
WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets.
Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun!


Thank You,
Brian Webster




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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Travis Johnson]

Gino,

Looks to me like you are running a little hot. You want the MSE to be 
-32 or better I would try turning the power down on each side 1db at 
a time until you get the best MSE (on the remote side) while still 
having the best signal.

We had to turn one of our links down to +12 to get the best MSE, while 
still having a -40 signal.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:
> We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end
>
> Linktest 10 results
>
> End 1
>
> (trango-view)# linktest 10
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
>   1> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.42E-07
>   2> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.58 dB   0.00E+00
>   3> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   0.00E+00
>   4> 1  -31.00 dBm  -27.09 dB   0.00E+00
>   5> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.82 dB   0.00E+00
>   6> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   7.11E-10
>   7> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.95 dB   0.00E+00
>   8> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.84 dB   0.00E+00
>   9> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.54 dB   0.00E+00
>  10> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.69E-10
> (trango-view)# 
>
> End 2 
>
>
> Trango Broadband Wireless:  TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface
> v2.3.8
>
> (trango-view)# linktest 10
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
>   1> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.61 dB   4.09E-10
>   2> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.60 dB   0.00E+00
>   3> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.63 dB   0.00E+00
>   4> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
>   5> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.90 dB   0.00E+00
>   6> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
>   7> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
>   8> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.68 dB   0.00E+00
>   9> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
>  10> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.46 dB   0.00E+00
> (trango-view)# 
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for
> months not realizing we had made mistakes until later.
>
> Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the
> type and length of cable on each end.
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> I'll do that, Link was working for months 
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> Going to need lots more info to be able to help.
>
> Cable run length and type of cable used.
> What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
> targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
> set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
> version software are you running on both sides
>
> Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
> send me the results off list.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
>
> I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
> packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
> affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
> ends
>  
> anyway to tell where the problem is?
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

Not necessarily true with high frequency or millimeter microwave gear.  Due
to large fade issues inherent with higher frequencies it is not uncommon to
engineer a link with -35 RSSI levels.

I believe the Giga is safe down to -25 RSSI or thereabouts.  However the
higher the modulation rate the "less hot" you can run it.


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Miller
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem


First off, I believe your signal is too hot. turn the tx power down til you
reach between a -50 and -60 dB. That is usually the sweet spot on most RF
equipment. Right now you are screaming at each other. 



- Original Message 
From: Gino Villarini 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:38:09 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends

anyway to tell where the problem is?


Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143  fax  787.273.4145 






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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Gino Villarini]

We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end

Linktest 10 results

End 1

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.42E-07
  2> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.58 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -31.00 dBm  -27.09 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.82 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.77 dB   7.11E-10
  7> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.95 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.84 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.54 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -31.00 dBm  -26.78 dB   7.69E-10
(trango-view)# 

End 2 


Trango Broadband Wireless:  TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface
v2.3.8

(trango-view)# linktest 10
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER
  1> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.61 dB   4.09E-10
  2> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.60 dB   0.00E+00
  3> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.63 dB   0.00E+00
  4> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
  5> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.90 dB   0.00E+00
  6> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  7> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.57 dB   0.00E+00
  8> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.68 dB   0.00E+00
  9> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.56 dB   0.00E+00
 10> 1  -34.00 dBm  -31.46 dB   0.00E+00
(trango-view)# 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for
months not realizing we had made mistakes until later.

Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the
type and length of cable on each end.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
send me the results off list.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends
 
anyway to tell where the problem is?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

I know the feeling.  We had one of our early Giga links working for months
not realizing we had made mistakes until later.

Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the type
and length of cable on each end.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
send me the results off list.

Best,


Brad




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends
 
anyway to tell where the problem is?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Joe Miller]

First off, I believe your signal is too hot. turn the tx power down til you 
reach between a -50 and -60 dB. That is usually the sweet spot on most RF 
equipment. Right now you are screaming at each other. 



- Original Message 
From: Gino Villarini 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:38:09 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends

anyway to tell where the problem is?


Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143  fax  787.273.4145 





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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Gino Villarini]

I'll do that, Link was working for months 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your
targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power
set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What
version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and
send me the results off list.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends
 
anyway to tell where the problem is?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Brad Belton]

Going to need lots more info to be able to help.

Cable run length and type of cable used.
What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis
What is your targetrssi set to
What are your cableloss settings
What is your power set to
Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results 
What version software are you running on both sides

Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me
the results off list.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends
 
anyway to tell where the problem is?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 




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[WISPA] Trango Giga Problem

[Gino Villarini]

I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop
packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being
affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both
ends
 
anyway to tell where the problem is?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 



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[WISPA] LA Access

[Mike Prachar]

Anybody have network in 6380 Wilshire in LA?

 

   

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[WISPA] FW: Smart meters

[Jerry Richardson]

>From one of the engineers at PG&E. These are 1W and are definately going
to be a problem. 
 
700MHz is looking better and better
 
 
 
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Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications
 
 
 


 
Jerry,
 
Typically, for gas meter is the licensed 450MHz (non-meshed), for
electric meters is the 900 MHz unlicensed (meshed).
 
 



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