[WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?

2009-07-09 Thread can...@believewireless.net
For the past month I've been noticing the bandwidth on one of our
upstreams going through the roof.
When doing the math for each tower location, it added up to far less
than the bandwidth through
our upstream providers.

So, ran Mikrotik Torch and what do you know it was all web proxy
traffic.  Sure enough the
web proxy was turned on and wide open in the Mikrotik router.  This
router had the biggest
drop in traffic but the others had similar drops due to BGP.
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Re: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?

2009-07-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wow, good find, sounds like something other unsuspecting Mikroik users might 
run in to.

So where was all the web proxy data comming from? Was it all random external 
connections from the Internet?
One moral to the story is turn of web proxy, but.
are there best practices (firewalling, session limits, etc) for effectively 
using web proxies, to prevent that?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 For the past month I've been noticing the bandwidth on one of our
 upstreams going through the roof.
 When doing the math for each tower location, it added up to far less
 than the bandwidth through
 our upstream providers.

 So, ran Mikrotik Torch and what do you know it was all web proxy
 traffic.  Sure enough the
 web proxy was turned on and wide open in the Mikrotik router.  This
 router had the biggest
 drop in traffic but the others had similar drops due to BGP.








 
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Re: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?

2009-07-09 Thread eje
By default webproxy is disabled. If it's enabled by default it's open to be 
used by anyone. The best thing to do when enabling the webproxy is to create a 
list of accepted ips authorized to use the proxy then finish up with a rule 
denying all other ips. This would be done in the webproxy acl. Also another 
good rule is to on the core router block all inbound proxy port traffic into 
your network (8080, 8081, 3164(?)). 

/Eje
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From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:33:46 
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?


Wow, good find, sounds like something other unsuspecting Mikroik users might 
run in to.

So where was all the web proxy data comming from? Was it all random external 
connections from the Internet?
One moral to the story is turn of web proxy, but.
are there best practices (firewalling, session limits, etc) for effectively 
using web proxies, to prevent that?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:17 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?


 For the past month I've been noticing the bandwidth on one of our
 upstreams going through the roof.
 When doing the math for each tower location, it added up to far less
 than the bandwidth through
 our upstream providers.

 So, ran Mikrotik Torch and what do you know it was all web proxy
 traffic.  Sure enough the
 web proxy was turned on and wide open in the Mikrotik router.  This
 router had the biggest
 drop in traffic but the others had similar drops due to BGP.








 
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Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 333 vs 433

2009-07-09 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Also note that 333s are going by the wayside too.  The 400 series is 
really the main workhorse right now. 

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Kevin Neal wrote:
 http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008pps.pdf

 Well, pps wise, it looks like the 433 is around 80kpps and the 433 ah
 is around 140kpps.  Best performance pps that the 333 can do is
 80kpps.

 -Kevin


 On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Josh
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
   
 Kevin's link
 http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008mbps.pdf

 says the 333 dominates over the 532 (per MikroTik's testing)

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

 
  Thanks for all the comments...

 I have RB 112,133,230,333,411,433,532 in service.

 I've lost two 532's to on board power supply failure, one 532 to a direct
 lighting strike.

 I've lost one 112 to Ethernet port failure, and a 133 to unknown causes

 My 333's, 411's and 433's have been flawless.

 I'm mainly looking for pps differences between the 333 and 433.


  Josh Luthman wrote:

 Well the boot times of the 532 are superior to any other routerboard I've
 used.  Don't know how that reflects on it's performance in PPS as it could
 simply be a faster storage device.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net 
 ke...@safelink.net wrote:



  We have the 333 deployed in a bunch of situations, they work pretty
 well for us, but, for the price go for the 433.  532's were ok,
 they're old style now and don't have the near the performance of the
 3xx or 4xx boards.


 -Kevin



 On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net 
 scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 wrote:


  No hard data, but I have replaced 532 and 532A with 333 and seen better
 link performance.  I have replaced 333 with 433 and seen no real
 difference.  Replacing 333 with 433AH probably does, but I really don't
 have any evidence.

 Blair Davis wrote:


  anybody got any real world experience of the performance difference
 between the RB 333 vs the RB 433?

 The 333 has a 333MHz PowerPC and the 433 has a Atheros AR7130
 300MHz...But which is faster in the real world?

 How about the RB 532A with the MIPS 32 4kc at 266MHz?

 Hard to compare different CPU's by clock speed.

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Re: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?

2009-07-09 Thread Jayson Baker
Google your IP and you'll see which Open Proxy lists it's on.
Happened to us too once.  :-)

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 Wow, good find, sounds like something other unsuspecting Mikroik users
 might
 run in to.

 So where was all the web proxy data comming from? Was it all random
 external
 connections from the Internet?
 One moral to the story is turn of web proxy, but.
 are there best practices (firewalling, session limits, etc) for effectively
 using web proxies, to prevent that?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:17 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Who left the web proxy open?


  For the past month I've been noticing the bandwidth on one of our
  upstreams going through the roof.
  When doing the math for each tower location, it added up to far less
  than the bandwidth through
  our upstream providers.
 
  So, ran Mikrotik Torch and what do you know it was all web proxy
  traffic.  Sure enough the
  web proxy was turned on and wide open in the Mikrotik router.  This
  router had the biggest
  drop in traffic but the others had similar drops due to BGP.
 



 


 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 333 vs 433

2009-07-09 Thread jp
We usually use proprietary radios for customer hookups, but do ocassionally use 
MTs for
that. It doesn't really matter too much for that sort of use; used 532, 333, 
433, crossroads, etc...

For absolutely everywhere we'd use an RB, we are only using 433AH for new 
stuff. 
They are not that much more than 433's, substantially faster, have voltage 
measurement capabilities, and still draw very little power.

If you want fast booting, try running routerOS on XEN. I can fully reboot a 
virtual
routeros PC in a couple seconds.

On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:55:09PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Well the boot times of the 532 are superior to any other routerboard I've
 used.  Don't know how that reflects on it's performance in PPS as it could
 simply be a faster storage device.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
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 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote:
 
  We have the 333 deployed in a bunch of situations, they work pretty
  well for us, but, for the price go for the 433.  532's were ok,
  they're old style now and don't have the near the performance of the
  3xx or 4xx boards.
 
 
  -Kevin
 
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net
  wrote:
   No hard data, but I have replaced 532 and 532A with 333 and seen better
   link performance.  I have replaced 333 with 433 and seen no real
   difference.  Replacing 333 with 433AH probably does, but I really don't
   have any evidence.
  
   Blair Davis wrote:
   anybody got any real world experience of the performance difference
   between the RB 333 vs the RB 433?
  
   The 333 has a 333MHz PowerPC and the 433 has a Atheros AR7130
   300MHz...But which is faster in the real world?
  
   How about the RB 532A with the MIPS 32 4kc at 266MHz?
  
   Hard to compare different CPU's by clock speed.
  
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[WISPA] Defination of Fiber Termination for NOFA

2009-07-09 Thread St. Louis Broadband
What is considered a termination?  Is it where the fiber terminates in the
hut?  Or is it where the fiber loop terminates?

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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question

2009-07-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Wasn't there some talk about Nello towers on this list?  I thought people 
really liked them.
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 In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:35:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 towertalk-requ...@contesting.com writes:

  Does anyone have any experience with or info about Nello  Tower's copy
 of Rohn 25G?

They're nice guys but my one experience with  their 45G clone was a
 semi-disaster. Most of the sections were very difficult  to get to mate 
 and on
 one section I had to use 2 comealongs AND a TowerJack to  get it to seat.
 I'm sticking with Rohn.

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question

2009-07-09 Thread jp
I've had some Nello 25, and it's good. This was a couple years ago when metal 
prices were through the roof and inventory of tower parts was scarce.

I've had Rohn that's difficult to mate too. 25,45,55 with messy galvanizing 
that looks like shark teeth, or is too thick at a junction. Rohn is generally 
good, but you occassionally get a bad piece. 

On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:45AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Wasn't there some talk about Nello towers on this list?  I thought people 
 really liked them.
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 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:04 AM
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  In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:35:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
  towertalk-requ...@contesting.com writes:
 
   Does anyone have any experience with or info about Nello  Tower's copy
  of Rohn 25G?
 
 They're nice guys but my one experience with  their 45G clone was a
  semi-disaster. Most of the sections were very difficult  to get to mate 
  and on
  one section I had to use 2 comealongs AND a TowerJack to  get it to seat.
  I'm sticking with Rohn.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question

2009-07-09 Thread David Hulsebus
Love them.  I see better product quality assurance now than when they 
were Rohn.

Dave Hulsebus


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Wasn't there some talk about Nello towers on this list?  I thought people 
 really liked them.
 marlon

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 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question


   
 In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:35:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 towertalk-requ...@contesting.com writes:

 
  Does anyone have any experience with or info about Nello  Tower's copy
   
 of Rohn 25G?

They're nice guys but my one experience with  their 45G clone was a
 semi-disaster. Most of the sections were very difficult  to get to mate 
 and on
 one section I had to use 2 comealongs AND a TowerJack to  get it to seat.
 I'm sticking with Rohn.

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question

2009-07-09 Thread Scott Reed
I have used a lot of Nello's hardware.  Always looks good, works well. 
They are easy to work with and generally ship quickly.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Wasn't there some talk about Nello towers on this list?  I thought people 
 really liked them.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: k7...@aol.com
 To: towert...@contesting.com; p...@n4lcd.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Nello Tower question


   
 In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:35:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 towertalk-requ...@contesting.com writes:

 
  Does anyone have any experience with or info about Nello  Tower's copy
   
 of Rohn 25G?

They're nice guys but my one experience with  their 45G clone was a
 semi-disaster. Most of the sections were very difficult  to get to mate 
 and on
 one section I had to use 2 comealongs AND a TowerJack to  get it to seat.
 I'm sticking with Rohn.

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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] My Nello Tower

2009-07-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi
marlon

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Subject: [TowerTalk] My Nello Tower


 Group //

 First off I do not work for Nello -- nor do I have any association with 
 them -- I can only tell you my experience with the product -- 

 and that IMO the product is fine -- I've got 100 feet of 55N  no 
 problems -- galvanize is fine -- I can't see much difference between Rohn 
  Nello -- 

 Now for the install -- 

 I called a recommended ham tower installer here in the southeast -- he 
 came out  put the tower together on the ground  suggested he could get a 
 crane in and set all 100 feet at one time -- sounds easy enough -- but I 
 was skeptical  concerned about weight issues on the structure lifting 100 
 feet at one time -- also the installer complained about the sections not 
 lining correctly --so he used a drift pin  BMFH to dowel the holes 
 together -- knocking off some galvanize in the process -- I wasn't too 
 impressed -- with either the tower or the work at that time -- 

 I then called a long time friend who has been a commercial tower installer 
 for 55 years -- asked him to come out look at the tower before it was 
 lifted .. couple things came up real quick -- first, the Nello sections 
 are jig aligned  jig bored -- meaning the little welded tab on each 
 section is to be aligned with all the little tabs welded on each 
 section -- all those tabs should be on the same legs going up --- .. the 
 first person I contacted did not know this or he would have done so --  
 second the commercial installer said he thinks no more than 50 feet should 
 ever be attempted and he preferred no more than 20 ..

 -- we took the assembled tower apart on the ground  lined the welded 
 tab up for each leg -- amazingly the tower straightened out, the bolts 
 fit, went together like a glove -- wasn't a problem with the tower, it was 
 a problem with the first assembly .. it was wrong !! ..

 I asked the commercial installer what about Nello and the quality of 
 tower -- he said their main product is for the cell phone industry -- he 
 said they do use a double galvanize process which adds a little weight to 
 the tower, but the structure is no different from Rohn or anyone else .. 
 as far as climbing, he says the only difference is the bottom stringer 
 is bent back to the tower and sometimes a shoe lace could catch on the 
 metal, but since most guys who climb for a living don't have hanging loose 
 fit shoe laces -- he provided that titbit for my information  safety ..

 Sales  customer support -- it was and is satisfactory -- I bought my 
 sections through the distributor in Florida -- I had a little 
 communication problem with the shipping to a depot in Macon, GA -- the 
 pallets broke and the tower was scattered across the ramp -- had to stop 
 the gorilla driving the forklift from lifting the sections with the 
 forklift  knocking off the galvanize .. follow up support for the missing 
 bolts that got lost in shipping was handled overnight at no extra charge 
 ..

 I think the Nello product is fine for commercial  amateur applications --  
 as long as you follow the manufactures instructions to line up the little 
 welded tabs on each section -- 

 -- cheers de Vic WB4SLM - EM82dp //


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Re: [WISPA] IRC channel

2009-07-09 Thread Andy Trimmell
I am now auto-joining this channel. Hope to talk with you guys some
time.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IRC channel

On Fri, July 3, 2009 8:13 pm, Rogelio wrote:
 Josh Luthman wrote:
 On Freenode it seems pointless to have #routeros when we have
##mikrotik

 I joined irc.mvn.net #wispa as well

 I just tried to connect to this, and it didn't work.

Don't suppose you can be more specific?

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[WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-09 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Did you guys hear about this?
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1

Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance 
Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program 
applications.

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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-09 Thread Bret Clark
Mixed feelings I suppose, but I certainly could see Comcast paying 
people to be volunteers! That's the main problem...and they've got a 
history pulling such stunts! 
http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/02/comcast-secretly-pays-people-to-fill-seats-at-fcc-hearing/

Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:
 Did you guys hear about this?
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1

 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance 
 Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program 
 applications.

 -Israel


 
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-09 Thread Randy Cosby
Hm... how 'bout we all volunteer to work for Comcast really cheap :)

Randy


Bret Clark wrote:
 Mixed feelings I suppose, but I certainly could see Comcast paying 
 people to be volunteers! That's the main problem...and they've got a 
 history pulling such stunts! 
 http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/02/comcast-secretly-pays-people-to-fill-seats-at-fcc-hearing/

 Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:
   
 Did you guys hear about this?
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1

 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance 
 Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program 
 applications.

 -Israel


 
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-09 Thread David E. Smith
Randy Cosby wrote:
 Hm... how 'bout we all volunteer to work for Comcast really cheap :)

Darn. I just volunteered for free. I guess I don't get volunteering...

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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-09 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Long time no see guys... you on twitter? what's your addresses? lemme know.
im @journik

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Israel
Lopez-LISTSilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote:
 Did you guys hear about this?
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1

 Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance
 Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program
 applications.

 -Israel


 
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[WISPA] OT Hotmail email black hole

2009-07-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All,

Hotmail has put us on some kind of black list.  Messages from my servers to 
anyone with a hotmail (or affiliate) address is being sent into oblivion.

Contacting Hotmail has been nearly useless.  They've simply told me to go 
join a special program that they have and that'll get my system ok'd again.

Sorry, but I'm NOT giving them customer information or money in order to fix 
this.

Does anyone know anyone that doesn't have his head up his wazzoo at that 
org?  Anyone else been successful at getting off of the black list there?

Thanks,
marlon




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