Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another business years ago. They had pretty good lift! Sounds like a good idea. Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board. Then you could use cat5 riser cable to tether it. At least you could see a signal that way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Balloon --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30 Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: POE Switch box
Answer, directly from from Shireen Inc... Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: Nusrat Jamal [mailto:nja...@shireeninc.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] POE Switch box Faisal Bhai, Hope you are doing well. I'm currently in China with family (sort of vacation) so may not be able to reply to your emails in time. On our POE extractors there are 2 parallel ports for POE and one for data only. If there is more than one POE device, you can use any of the two parallel ports. Best regards Nusrat Jamal Shireen Inc. 7636A Standish Place Rockville, MD 20855, USA Tel: 301-838-4380 x 109 Fax: 978-359-8383 www.shireeninc.com -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Nusrat Jamal' Subject: FW: [WISPA] POE Switch box Nusrat Bahi, Here is a question about the POE (Extractor) Module, the guys are asking, I believe you can provide the best answer. .On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Jason Hensley wrote: Great find one the Inscapedata product!! That's exactly what I'm looking for!!! A POE switch and converter modules are definitely an option, but it kinda defeats my purpose (getting rid of all my POE adapters running up a tower). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box Fyi... The other options is to use a standard POE switch (802.3 af) and use these module to convert the voltage.. http://www.shireeninc.com/products/poe/extractor/ Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
We have used them for several projects. I have also used local Hot Air Balloon firms with their tether system when I had to place heavier equipment at a specific height for a short period of time. Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another business years ago. They had pretty good lift! Sounds like a good idea. Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board. Then you could use cat5 riser cable to tether it. At least you could see a signal that way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Balloon --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30 Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: POE Switch box
What happens to the data? Goes to one port? Both (dumb hub)? None ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: POE Switch box Answer, directly from from Shireen Inc... Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: Nusrat Jamal [mailto:nja...@shireeninc.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] POE Switch box Faisal Bhai, Hope you are doing well. I'm currently in China with family (sort of vacation) so may not be able to reply to your emails in time. On our POE extractors there are 2 parallel ports for POE and one for data only. If there is more than one POE device, you can use any of the two parallel ports. Best regards Nusrat Jamal Shireen Inc. 7636A Standish Place Rockville, MD 20855, USA Tel: 301-838-4380 x 109 Fax: 978-359-8383 www.shireeninc.com -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Nusrat Jamal' Subject: FW: [WISPA] POE Switch box Nusrat Bahi, Here is a question about the POE (Extractor) Module, the guys are asking, I believe you can provide the best answer. .On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Jason Hensley wrote: Great find one the Inscapedata product!! That's exactly what I'm looking for!!! A POE switch and converter modules are definitely an option, but it kinda defeats my purpose (getting rid of all my POE adapters running up a tower). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box Fyi... The other options is to use a standard POE switch (802.3 af) and use these module to convert the voltage.. http://www.shireeninc.com/products/poe/extractor/ Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
What are you putting on the smaller ones to test the link? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis We have used them for several projects. I have also used local Hot Air Balloon firms with their tether system when I had to place heavier equipment at a specific height for a short period of time. Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another business years ago. They had pretty good lift! Sounds like a good idea. Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board. Then you could use cat5 riser cable to tether it. At least you could see a signal that way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Balloon --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30 Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
I have a 10'red balloon that we used to float a few years back for tower siting purposes. I wasn't able get too much equipment on that balloon and expect it to float. I tried it with an old map2 with rubber ducky and cat5 as the line and the balloon had a hard time rising. The calculation is 1 gram of weight to 1 liter of helium. You have to take into consideration the weight of the balloon and the weight of the rope. Cat is heavier than tether line. Good news is, a set of binoculars lets you at least spot it which is what we ended up doing. George Robert West wrote: I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another business years ago. They had pretty good lift! Sounds like a good idea. Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board. Then you could use cat5 riser cable to tether it. At least you could see a signal that way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Balloon --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30 Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
GAB - Great American Broadband -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: POE Switch box
I guess there are always exception to the rule.. .Extra port is a convienience , may not be applicable in all senarios. Besides, one would have to worry about power consumed in total, standard 802.3af puts out about 15-20w only.. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:18 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: POE Switch box What happens to the data? Goes to one port? Both (dumb hub)? None ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: POE Switch box Answer, directly from from Shireen Inc... Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: Nusrat Jamal [mailto:nja...@shireeninc.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] POE Switch box Faisal Bhai, Hope you are doing well. I'm currently in China with family (sort of vacation) so may not be able to reply to your emails in time. On our POE extractors there are 2 parallel ports for POE and one for data only. If there is more than one POE device, you can use any of the two parallel ports. Best regards Nusrat Jamal Shireen Inc. 7636A Standish Place Rockville, MD 20855, USA Tel: 301-838-4380 x 109 Fax: 978-359-8383 www.shireeninc.com -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Nusrat Jamal' Subject: FW: [WISPA] POE Switch box Nusrat Bahi, Here is a question about the POE (Extractor) Module, the guys are asking, I believe you can provide the best answer. ..On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box On the Shireen unit, why are there 3 data jacks and a coax power jack? Jason Hensley wrote: Great find one the Inscapedata product!! That's exactly what I'm looking for!!! A POE switch and converter modules are definitely an option, but it kinda defeats my purpose (getting rid of all my POE adapters running up a tower). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box Fyi... The other options is to use a standard POE switch (802.3 af) and use these module to convert the voltage.. http://www.shireeninc.com/products/poe/extractor/ Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
Yes Scott Reed personally operates a small WISP as well he does Engineer and Programming with Great American Broadband. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis GAB - Great American Broadband -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million Grant Fromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
Matt, Congradulation on Rapidlink's victory gaining grant assistance from CASF. That was clearly a big win, but also clearly positions you for an ARRA award. Clearly a victory that some government bodies are recognizing WISP provers. (Even if they are a publically traded company :-) advanced broadband services to five counties in Northern California Do you mind sharing what 5 counties RapidLink will be serving? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million Grant Fromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF) CASF Funding to Accelerate Broadband Services Delivery to Five Counties Company to Seek Additional Funding Through ARRA Broadband Stimulus Programs http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Rapid-Link-Awarded-iw-2628732805.html?x=0.v=1 -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
Yep, that would be me. My WISP is NewWays. Steve Barnes wrote: Yes Scott Reed personally operates a small WISP as well he does Engineer and Programming with Great American Broadband. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis GAB - Great American Broadband -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis Scott Reed wrote: Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower is built? RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge. I would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the money to build a tower. I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I need to be able to test at 100+ feet. Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 Scott I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest. Who is GAB Midwest? Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
IIRC Tranzeo has a cdp utility on it - and a mac finding tool. Not sure if one of these would work as that model isn't listed... http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?utilities Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Do a broadcast ping with something plugged straight into it? Josh Luthman wrote: IIRC Tranzeo has a cdp utility on it - and a mac finding tool. Not sure if one of these would work as that model isn't listed... http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?utilities Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Ooh good idea - you can use a MT to do an ip-scan If it wants to look for snmp, Internet, DNS, etc it will ARP request for the gateway - see if a packet capture shows this request. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.comwrote: Do a broadcast ping with something plugged straight into it? Josh Luthman wrote: IIRC Tranzeo has a cdp utility on it - and a mac finding tool. Not sure if one of these would work as that model isn't listed... http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?utilities Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 earth station contacts
You may want to check with Comsearch as they do the frequency coordination for most of these guys. They can probably point you in the right direction. www.comsearch.com David Rumore Territory Manager Phone: +1 561.741.0756 Fax: +1 561.741.1561 Mobile: 561.254.0758 e-mail: drum...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion Think green before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 earth station contacts I am now licensed for 3.65, but I have to get permission from an earth station (Andover ME), as I'm just inside it's 150km radius. The PDF showing the list of earth stations and exclusion zones looks useful, but is really just the start of a goose chase. The other ISPs in the states surrounding the earth station either have no 3.65 links registered, or the links fall outside of the zone. Had there been an ISP nearby that had gone through this, I would have checked with them. The call signs located at Andover when you go to register a location, or reference the PDF listing are not in the FCC ULS database. They are apparently FCC international bureau issued call signs and IB does not have a searchable online database and did not return my phone call. I can't find anything in the chamber of commerce business directory for Andover, the switchboard yellow pages for andover. The Andover earth station is owned by MCI/Verizon and I get the usually helpless script followers on the other end of the line, Sir, we just open up trouble tickets, or try calling this number in really poor english. Has anyone else been through this? How do I get the information needed to request an agreement? Thanks! -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Run wireshark, plug the radio in question up to your computer. Power cycle the radio and it should give up it's IP address after it powers back up. I use this method on a lot of different radios. - Original Message From: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:21:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access Do a broadcast ping with something plugged straight into it? Josh Luthman wrote: IIRC Tranzeo has a cdp utility on it - and a mac finding tool. Not sure if one of these would work as that model isn't listed... http://support.tranzeo.com/files.php?utilities Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Are these TR-5800's or the older ZX-5800's from Tranzeo - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:08:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Run wireshark, plug the radio in question up to your computer. Power cycle the radio and it should give up it's IP address after it powers back up. I use this method on a lot of different radios. I have tried this dozens, maybe hundreds of times with NO luck =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Are these TR-5800's or the older ZX-5800's from Tranzeo - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:08:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
TR5821 units, and sniffing with wireshark revealed nothing. They don't seem to speak until spoken to. On 7/17/09, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Are these TR-5800's or the older ZX-5800's from Tranzeo - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:08:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RiniCoran/WISPA Conference Call Invitation
wispa_logo+slogan2008 _ P O Box 1582, Mount Vernon, IL 62864 www.wispa.org 866-317-2851 _ WISPA invites you to participate in a one-hour conference call with Steve Coran of Rini Coran, PC to answer your general questions about the BTOP and BIP application process, criteria and compliance. Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 Time: 12:00 - 1:00 p.m. EDT This will be the first of a series of three such conference calls over the course of the next three weeks. Individual Conference Call schedules will be sent out as the times and dates are confirmed. WISPA and RiniCoran have negotiated favorable rates for our members. The cost for WISPA members will be $20/call. Non-member rate will be $60/call. If your company has not joined WISPA yet, this is an excellent opportunity to sign up and save at least $40 on your membership fees. It is possible that one could save $120 total by joining WISPA if they intend to participate in all three conference calls. For those interested in joining WISPA, please go to http://signup.wispa.org. The current dues are $250 for an annual membership. While there are options for monthly, quarterly, semi-annual and annual payments, we are requiring an annual subscription to obtain the reduced rate for this conference. To participate, please click on the Paypal link appropriate for your membership category. Members Only https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=684566 3 Preview Image Non-Members https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=684572 0 Preview Image Conference Call details will be sent to all who register once the fees have been accepted. Please provide a valid email address at the time of your subscription. Please note that Rini Coran will not be providing legal advice or responding to specific questions about any application, but rather will be providing general information. Further, WISPA assumes no liability for any information that Rini Coran will provide during the conference call. Thank you, Rick Harnish President WISPA And Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 (new street address) Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ image001.jpgimage002.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million Grant Fromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Clearly a victory that some government bodies are recognizing WISP provers. (Even if they are a publically traded company :-) Just to clarify... We partnered with a local operator named Mother Lode Internet. The local operator will focus on last mile, while we focus on backhaul and backend operations. Since we are already a regulated telecommunications provider in all 48 states, use GAAP, and have regular audits, we are well positioned to work with the government. advanced broadband services to five counties in Northern California Do you mind sharing what 5 counties RapidLink will be serving? Alpine, Calaveras, Amador, Mariposa, Tuolumne -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
These things don't have a console port? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RiniCoran/WISPA Conference Call Invitation UPDATE
Once the Paypal transaction is completed, Paypal will prompt you to Click on the Orange button and it will take you to a page with the call in information. Thank you, Rick Harnish wispa_logo+slogan2008 _ P O Box 1582, Mount Vernon, IL 62864 www.wispa.org 866-317-2851 _ WISPA invites you to participate in a one-hour conference call with Steve Coran of Rini Coran, PC to answer your general questions about the BTOP and BIP application process, criteria and compliance. Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 Time: 12:00 - 1:00 p.m. EDT This will be the first of a series of three such conference calls over the course of the next three weeks. Individual Conference Call schedules will be sent out as the times and dates are confirmed. WISPA and RiniCoran have negotiated favorable rates for our members. The cost for WISPA members will be $20/call. Non-member rate will be $60/call. If your company has not joined WISPA yet, this is an excellent opportunity to sign up and save at least $40 on your membership fees. It is possible that one could save $120 total by joining WISPA if they intend to participate in all three conference calls. For those interested in joining WISPA, please go to http://signup.wispa.org. The current dues are $250 for an annual membership. While there are options for monthly, quarterly, semi-annual and annual payments, we are requiring an annual subscription to obtain the reduced rate for this conference. To participate, please click on the Paypal link appropriate for your membership category. Members Only https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=684566 3 Preview Image Non-Members https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=684572 0 Preview Image Conference Call details will be sent to all who register once the fees have been accepted. Please provide a valid email address at the time of your subscription. Please note that Rini Coran will not be providing legal advice or responding to specific questions about any application, but rather will be providing general information. Further, WISPA assumes no liability for any information that Rini Coran will provide during the conference call. Thank you, Rick Harnish President WISPA And Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 (new street address) Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ image001.jpgimage002.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I also wanted to throw this in.. If the owner does not have the resources to operate and maintain the customers (there for the revenue) then one can offer the price it would cost for that owner to remove the equipment from the towers (where leasing) and sell the towers and cut their losses. Or just a bit less then that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
3x gross annual was a very nice number... but not realistic any longer. 1.5x is the last number I heard for an actual sale that went through. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
Revenue matters a lot less now. Earnings-based deals are what are being done now. Of course, many WISPs are spending all of their earnings on CAPEX. This is where capitalized leases play such a critical role. -Matt On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: 3x gross annual was a very nice number... but not realistic any longer. 1.5x is the last number I heard for an actual sale that went through. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
No, actually we were awarded a RUS grant back in 2006 and we've completed that project. We're just tired out, and ready for a change. :-) Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
Actually that was addressed to Brian. :) But I hear ya. :) Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: No, actually we were awarded a RUS grant back in 2006 and we've completed that project. We're just tired out, and ready for a change. :-) Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
More than you could imagine :-) Sleep is a luxury right now. If things go according to plan I will have the National Broadband map done in the next 20 days..at a fraction of the $350 million dollars. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I'd point out that the best time to get a high valuation in a rural area is not likely going to be at the launch of a $7billion dollar grant program. Why buy other's outdated equipment when you can get the brand new state of the art for FREE? You are probably going to have to rely more on cash flow related methods of valuation. Instead, you might want to look at your finances, and see if your network could be leveraged to be combined with another's RUS loan/grant. For example, if the assets could be leveraged to make expanding from it more cost effective. Because then your value might be higher based on the additional grants that are enabled because your infrastructure helps qualify it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I disagree with comments relating to X times annual revenue. I think the issue is more that buyers are realizing that in this market and economy X times revenue doesn't adequately valuate a company. A 3-4X times annual could still be achieved if the most of the gross revenue was actually monthly profit. Some businesses are in that situation. They have their gear paid for, most of their reoccuring costs are in-kind trade, etc. The problem is that isn't usually the case, which is why they get 1X valuations, if even that.. Usually what occurs is, a business has next to no profit, poor cashflow, and leased out the kazu for 3-5 years, and thus is tired out of working long hours for free. Further the buyer has to consider risk, and in this economy its uncertain whether business models will mature to success. I think you need to really look at your business to determine its profile, before you can begin to establish a worth or a method of valuating it. For example, Surely a company that owns a million dollars of gear outright is not going to be valued the sam as a company that has 3 years of leases remaining on their books for the same amount. You could also look at how to get rid of your primary costs. For example, maybe backhaul is one of the large expenses? If so would a WISP that got a middle mile infrastructure grant, benefit by your network? The biggest problem I see with getting a high valuation on a 500 sub network is that there might not be enough subs to really cover the payroll of techs on the street that buyer would have to obtain to manage it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
Well if you look at net profit that would show you are profitable, making payroll, etc and show growth, correct? On 7/17/09, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I disagree with comments relating to X times annual revenue. I think the issue is more that buyers are realizing that in this market and economy X times revenue doesn't adequately valuate a company. A 3-4X times annual could still be achieved if the most of the gross revenue was actually monthly profit. Some businesses are in that situation. They have their gear paid for, most of their reoccuring costs are in-kind trade, etc. The problem is that isn't usually the case, which is why they get 1X valuations, if even that.. Usually what occurs is, a business has next to no profit, poor cashflow, and leased out the kazu for 3-5 years, and thus is tired out of working long hours for free. Further the buyer has to consider risk, and in this economy its uncertain whether business models will mature to success. I think you need to really look at your business to determine its profile, before you can begin to establish a worth or a method of valuating it. For example, Surely a company that owns a million dollars of gear outright is not going to be valued the sam as a company that has 3 years of leases remaining on their books for the same amount. You could also look at how to get rid of your primary costs. For example, maybe backhaul is one of the large expenses? If so would a WISP that got a middle mile infrastructure grant, benefit by your network? The biggest problem I see with getting a high valuation on a 500 sub network is that there might not be enough subs to really cover the payroll of techs on the street that buyer would have to obtain to manage it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool. http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Patent and sell it at $100 a piece! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool. http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
So it would seem, but that is not the case. There are plenty of companies looking to acquire operators right now that are EBITDA positive. Unfortunately, too many operators that would normally be interested in a deal are hoping for a windfall thanks to ARRA. This means that the supply of available companies is low. I think I am going to be stuck buying companies not interested in ARRA. -Matt On Jul 17, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: I'd point out that the best time to get a high valuation in a rural area is not likely going to be at the launch of a $7billion dollar grant program. Why buy other's outdated equipment when you can get the brand new state of the art for FREE? You are probably going to have to rely more on cash flow related methods of valuation. Instead, you might want to look at your finances, and see if your network could be leveraged to be combined with another's RUS loan/grant. For example, if the assets could be leveraged to make expanding from it more cost effective. Because then your value might be higher based on the additional grants that are enabled because your infrastructure helps qualify it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
What kind of channels size are you goiNg to use? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
You don't have enough spectrum to do that. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:08:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3 I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Hi All! I've been lurking a while on the list, and knew some of you at last chat session. My solution of choice for this is using OSPF with unqueal costs, inverted on RX and TX: cost 1 - cost 2 cost 2 - cost 1 This will achieve a high real word throughput because TCP traffic generates the same amount of packets per second in either direction, and Wi-Fi based radios are very pps limited. You won't be able to get 25+25=50 Mbps Iperf tests, but it will give performance for dealing with real IP traffic. In case of any failures, all traffic will still flow via surviving radio. If you still need twice the throughput then, doing a 4 radio scenario would be fine: cost 1 - cost 2 cost 1 - cost 2 cost 2 - cost 1 cost 2 - cost 1 Links with equal costs will be balanced by OSPF. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Exactly how precise do the bends have to be in that tool in order for it to work? :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access 2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool. http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
See if they will do a distribution deal. :) Josh Luthman wrote: Patent and sell it at $100 a piece! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool. http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million GrantFromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
Since we are already a regulated telecommunications provider in all 48 states, The first thing that came to my mind was that Aflac commercial where the old guy in the barber's chair says that cash is almost as good as money. Then the duck's mouth drops open and he walks out of the shop shaking his head. hehehehehe I'm glad I'm not the only one that says silly things sometimes! Like saying WISPA was incorporated in Mo. when I know it's Il. sigh Thanks for the laugh anyway! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
Jeremy, Do you have accompanying documentation, I've got a few dead ones I'd like to see about resurrecting. Regards Michael Baird 2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?). Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool. http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I think it really needs to tie into the net you've seen (if any). 1 to 1.5 annual revenue seems to hold up pretty well. More if you have a great customer base (lots of high dollar businesses) vs. the average (mix of business but mostly resi). It's a business like most any other as far as profit margins and sales go. At least that's what we're seeing so far. The big exception to that is when a guy is going broke or just wants to get out, no matter what. Then these go for pennies on the dollar. Again, just like any other business that I know of :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access
2009/7/17 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com: Jeremy, Do you have accompanying documentation, I've got a few dead ones I'd like to see about resurrecting. Drill the hole in the location shown, and feel around for the reset switch. Power on while holding the reset button. I gave it 15 seconds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 MillionGrantFromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
That old guy is Yogi Berra... Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 MillionGrantFromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF) Since we are already a regulated telecommunications provider in all 48 states, The first thing that came to my mind was that Aflac commercial where the old guy in the barber's chair says that cash is almost as good as money. Then the duck's mouth drops open and he walks out of the shop shaking his head. hehehehehe I'm glad I'm not the only one that says silly things sometimes! Like saying WISPA was incorporated in Mo. when I know it's Il. sigh Thanks for the laugh anyway! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
Interesting perspective, Matt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale So it would seem, but that is not the case. There are plenty of companies looking to acquire operators right now that are EBITDA positive. Unfortunately, too many operators that would normally be interested in a deal are hoping for a windfall thanks to ARRA. This means that the supply of available companies is low. I think I am going to be stuck buying companies not interested in ARRA. -Matt On Jul 17, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: I'd point out that the best time to get a high valuation in a rural area is not likely going to be at the launch of a $7billion dollar grant program. Why buy other's outdated equipment when you can get the brand new state of the art for FREE? You are probably going to have to rely more on cash flow related methods of valuation. Instead, you might want to look at your finances, and see if your network could be leveraged to be combined with another's RUS loan/grant. For example, if the assets could be leveraged to make expanding from it more cost effective. Because then your value might be higher based on the additional grants that are enabled because your infrastructure helps qualify it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
In addition, tower rights (or lack thereof) is a big consideration. -RickG On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I disagree with comments relating to X times annual revenue. I think the issue is more that buyers are realizing that in this market and economy X times revenue doesn't adequately valuate a company. A 3-4X times annual could still be achieved if the most of the gross revenue was actually monthly profit. Some businesses are in that situation. They have their gear paid for, most of their reoccuring costs are in-kind trade, etc. The problem is that isn't usually the case, which is why they get 1X valuations, if even that.. Usually what occurs is, a business has next to no profit, poor cashflow, and leased out the kazu for 3-5 years, and thus is tired out of working long hours for free. Further the buyer has to consider risk, and in this economy its uncertain whether business models will mature to success. I think you need to really look at your business to determine its profile, before you can begin to establish a worth or a method of valuating it. For example, Surely a company that owns a million dollars of gear outright is not going to be valued the sam as a company that has 3 years of leases remaining on their books for the same amount. You could also look at how to get rid of your primary costs. For example, maybe backhaul is one of the large expenses? If so would a WISP that got a middle mile infrastructure grant, benefit by your network? The biggest problem I see with getting a high valuation on a 500 sub network is that there might not be enough subs to really cover the payroll of techs on the street that buyer would have to obtain to manage it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million Grant Fromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Clearly a victory that some government bodies are recognizing WISP provers. (Even if they are a publically traded company :-) Just to clarify... We partnered with a local operator named Mother Lode Internet. Isn't Ben a WISPA member? I thought he'd told me two ISPCons ago he was going to join... Chuck -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Awarded Approximately $2.8 Million Grant Fromthe California Advanced Services Fund (CASF)
On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: Isn't Ben a WISPA member? I thought he'd told me two ISPCons ago he was going to join... Not that I am aware. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
