Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof. Correct? On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip straight down through the soffit to the ground. The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the screw and between the mount roof. Never had one leak yet and I've been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer. -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What do you mean stay above the soffit? Sounds kind of impossible to mount below it when you're mounting on the roof. The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling. This puts the sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing anything from going through the hole. I do not do this, though I have not needed to and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on to what he really wanted, knew this from years back). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Does it really matter about performance? I have always been told from construction workers and electricians that they prefer Dewalt due to it being much lighter. On 8/29/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.
Re: [WISPA] solar site
The best way to design an off-grid radio system is to take advantage of every chance you find to avoid having to generate a watt in the first place. Two drop-in replacement, high-efficiency voltage regulator devices that can help to that end: http://store.gravitech.us/312v1aswvore.html http://store.gravitech.us/35v1aswvore.html My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
This is typically called drive test software and there are many vendors of such...just not for wifi or similar technologies. Most of the commercial stuff is for collecting data on cellular networks. That being said, it shouldn't be too difficult to write a program to collect the serial data (see NMEA under google) from a GPS and throw it into a text file with the scan data from another program or device which you can get external output from. I'm not sure if the MT API allows you to collect scan data, but that's where I would start...anyone know? Cameron Cameron Kilton wrote: I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
SNMP output from MT? On 8/29/09, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This is typically called drive test software and there are many vendors of such...just not for wifi or similar technologies. Most of the commercial stuff is for collecting data on cellular networks. That being said, it shouldn't be too difficult to write a program to collect the serial data (see NMEA under google) from a GPS and throw it into a text file with the scan data from another program or device which you can get external output from. I'm not sure if the MT API allows you to collect scan data, but that's where I would start...anyone know? Cameron Cameron Kilton wrote: I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day. I had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things on. I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50. The DeWalt broke. I then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour. That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy. Not everywhere has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Let's not compare 110v with 18v :P On 8/29/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day. I had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things on. I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50. The DeWalt broke. I then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour. That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy. Not everywhere has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are
Re: [WISPA] solar site
That's one point I was making with my fuzzy math repeater example. :-) I think the Wili card radios in that repeater system will operate down to 7V. I may need more than toys if I tried to use legacy 48V stuff and the resultant voltage conversions. At 10:08 AM 8/29/2009, you wrote: The best way to design an off-grid radio system is to take advantage of every chance you find to avoid having to generate a watt in the first place. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The facia is even better but since the discusion was roof mounting as a last resort I meant that if you must drill into the shingles, do it directly above the soffit. -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof. Correct? On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip straight down through the soffit to the ground. The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the screw and between the mount roof. Never had one leak yet and I've been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer. -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What do you mean stay above the soffit? Sounds kind of impossible to mount below it when you're mounting on the roof. The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling. This puts the sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing anything from going through the hole. I do not do this, though I have not needed to and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on to what he really wanted, knew this from years back). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh
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I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is anything better. Thanks! -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut
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POWER always wins! At home I use a corded drill and even have one for backup in the field. But out in the field, you cant beat the convenience of a cordless. -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day. I had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things on. I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50. The DeWalt broke. I then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour. That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy. Not everywhere has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian
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I think if you are doing that many holes in one shot, any corded will beat a cordless. I know our cordless Dewalt drills have done hundreds of holes. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day. I had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things on. I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50. The DeWalt broke. I then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour. That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy. Not everywhere has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
