Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Corn and soybeans. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I actually asked where - not what - but I was under the impression you meant trees =P Delorm was pretty good - costly but you can keep the maps locally IIRC. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible,

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Clint Ricker
Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said no prioritization--refer to section 5. - This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic

[WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Barnes
I have a 18 mile 5GHz Link to 50MB fiber connection. Original config was a HDDA5W-29-DP, 26 Inch 29 dBi dual pol Pacwireless dish at each end, StarOS War2 boards with 2 XR5 using the StarOS FDX. The link has never performed well. 10meg x 5 was the best I could get running ½ duplex. The

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Paul Hendry
Are you running the XR5's at full power? Have you tried dialing down the tx power? We had a similar issue with some dual-pol antennas and had to turn the tx power down to less than 14db. -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] Sent: 24 September 2009 12:46 To:

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Barnes
We did not try that this time in the past we have had them down as low as 12 but the signal got worse and no real improvement in speed. They are currently at 14. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-24 Thread Clint Ricker
I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to streaming of video. That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Hogg
I'm using R52N's on a link that is 28 Miles. Using the same Dish. I have -60's on the signal, and we can do ~50MBit+ across the link. My first guess is alignment. We had XR5's on the link, and it was -50. At that distance with those cards/antennas, your signal should be a little better.

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Reed
I am fairly familiar with Steve's issues. I have thought jumper/pigtail for a while, but pretty much ruled that out when then did the unidirectional tests and both links jump to 12M. Any thoughts on which cable may be the issue? They did realign the antennas recently. I know they were supposed

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Hogg
I was just thinking that a link that is almost 10 miles shorter should have a better signal than what we achieved over 28 miles. I really don't know what to expect out of a StarOS link, as I haven't used it for that kind of distance. Not knocking one over the other, I just don't know.

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
you decide the level of service, personally I think the amplifier is the worst choice, I would prefer to use the devices on the tower (and yes we have devices on tower with ice). But you asked for the electronic on the bottom (i.e. all passive) then you have to choose what is the best trade off

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Curtis Maurand
Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. --C Clint Ricker wrote: Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said no

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Clint Ricker
The language of point 3 is targetting heavy users, not applications that may be heavy under some, even common, circumstances. While it seems like a small detail, it is, in fact, a big distinction--why should I be blocked from using bit torrent to download a gutenberg ebook (ie legal small)

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Ryan Spott
I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software and you don't need the CD-ROM at all. ryan On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo

[WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

2009-09-24 Thread Matt
Does anyone know where I can get a couple NS2 units? Seems no one has stock. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

2009-09-24 Thread Matt
Does anyone know where I can get a couple NS2 units? Seems no one has stock. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Curtis Maurand
Which goes to point 5. services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Clint Ricker wrote: The language of point 3 is targetting heavy users, not applications that may be heavy under some, even

Re: [WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

2009-09-24 Thread josh
See if MicroCom has a few - sometimes Cayman runs out a few days behind everyone else. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sector Recommendations

2009-09-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Never use cheap antennas! They cost far too much money in the long run. I like the maxrad units. Not cheap but not really expensive either. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Curtis Maurand
Again, point 5. - open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences. Of course, how do you know that bittorrent user isn't distributing GNU licensed

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread josh
Also, define and prove serious economic consequences. The argument of some users is that if it wasn't online for free illegally they wouldn't obtain at any cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sector Recommendations

2009-09-24 Thread Robert West
Thanks, Marlon. I'll look into those. I know what you mean about Cheap, I was just meaning inexpensive yet good. If I was really cheap I could always go eBay! YIKES! Or make my own with some aluminum foil, some metal buckets and elmers glue. Wouldn't work but they would be cheap. Bob-

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never figure out on your own. His contact info is: Brian Webster (607) 286-3465 work

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
The only way to have all electronics at the bottom is to use waveguide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:56

Re: [WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=134cat=0page=1 http://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=181cat=0page=1 Tell Tom I sent you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster.

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sector Recommendations

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Agreed. I used some Pac sectors and thought so so of this whole WISP thing. I put up a couple MTI sectors and wow... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com

Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I appreciate the input. Thanks! On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: you decide the level of service, personally I think the amplifier is the worst choice, I would prefer to use the devices on the tower (and yes we have devices on tower

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush. Chuck On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
No worries :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the backhaul links. -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add the antenna

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I've seen that too. It looked the same as Delorme. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software and you don't need the CD-ROM at

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
For a quick down and dirty is it worth looking into Ligo's new online tool is pretty slick. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
Truth be told, Brian would be a better choice if he has the time. He's spend far more time with it that I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:41 AM To: WISPA

[WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-24 Thread sales
Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss

[WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-24 Thread sales
Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-24 Thread eje
Try replace the poe injector. I seen similar behavior when the poe unit gotten damaged but not enough to stop traffic all together especially when it's not just a simple straight passive injector like our poe-in-w. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
You've looked into CPU load and firewall stuff, right? I too would try a new POE - only $20 to help find out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-24 Thread Nick Olsen
Plug a laptop or some other device into the same port, and ping from the PC router to that device. Same results? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:58 PM

[WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Mark McElvy
I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Lots of people are doing that with NS2s and MTs. I think across the board NS2 as the CPE if I'm not mistaken - maybe a few Tranzeos out there. Up to you to decide which you'd rather use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Reed
I understand if you think MT is complex, but it takes me 10 minutes to setup an RB433 with a 5GHz and a 2GHz card to do what you want. Then I can manage my micropops exactly like my pops. And if it grows, the right stuff is there. And I just like the control and view I get with RouterOS.

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
game show player I'll take time consuming projects for $500 Alex well know game show host Daily Double!! On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Charles Wu imceaex-_o=cti_ou=exchange+20administrative+20group+20+28fydibohf23spdlt+29_cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com wrote: Incorporate all the

[WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-24 Thread Eje Gustafsson
As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had one unit up there and he didn't need the port). So instead of

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Nash
I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Bottom line: profitable. I suggest using a monitoring system to map out how the network runs. This helps find out where the customer goes to get online. On 9/24/09, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
Ditto! -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
One question Clint. If you go all the way back to the FCC Computer Inquiries Acts I, II, and III...do you think all the same things would be happening? What if the FCC did not get rid of the enforcement bureau that was handling this? And after that the Tauzin-Dinguall Acts in the late 90's

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-24 Thread Clint Ricker
What do you mean by do I think the same things would be happening? I have no love for the FCC under the Bush administration, and I think their actions were either the result of blatant corruption or stupidity. It's hard to look at their regulatory history and not be suspicious of the motivations