Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

2009-10-07 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 00:57 -0500, Butch Evans wrote: MED, in my experience, is not as commonly used. It is only useful if the peer does not add other preferences for your AS. I should clarify this. Most companies that create local preference will at least allow you to opt out via

[WISPA] MT channels

2009-10-07 Thread Mike
OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I have become an MT student. I bought some equipment and have been teaching myself. Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels? I can pick a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N. Thanks,

Re: [WISPA] MT channels

2009-10-07 Thread Robert West
Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT channels OK, maybe just to prove to

Re: [WISPA] MT channels

2009-10-07 Thread Mike
v4.0beta3 At 10:23 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote: Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

[WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

2009-10-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically.

Re: [WISPA] MT channels

2009-10-07 Thread Gerard Dupont III
Mikrotik added it in 4.0beta4.. 4.0rc1 is out now too btw.. Gerard Mike wrote: v4.0beta3 At 10:23 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote: Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

[WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using the WB dishes see -59dBm. We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, tested. Radios are new,

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Randy Cosby
I assume you checked for reverse polarization? Jayson Baker wrote: Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using the WB dishes see -59dBm. We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. Cables are new,

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread eje
Doubt the antenna itself is bad. Many DP feeds have no electronics in them just the connectors and a open air column so depending on type of feed I doubt it is the feed itself. My guess is it's more of a incorrect installed feed than anything. On the cabling have you had it tested for 5GHz

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't matter but changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no difference. Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
What radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
MT R52N On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: What radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
Mystery 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish alignment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Or polarity... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jerry Richardson

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
We switched the polarity -- made no difference at all. Just scanning for other radios in the area (or at the same site) the signals look a little low too. Pigtails are from different shipments about 2 years apart on either end. But the jumper cables are the same. I wonder if we got a bad batch

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread eje
Tried flip pol on just one end instead of on both at the same time? On the tilt sounds like your hitting strong side lobes which sometimes can give better gain the main but the side lobes are usually very narrow so little movement can change signal a lot. Consider the antenna probably has a 6

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
Only flipped pol on ONE end. Nobody at the other end to flip. It does make a difference on that chain, but not overall. Meaning... If chain 0 is enabled, signal is -80, I flip polarity then I get nothing unless I enable chain 1. Makes sense what you're saying about the alignment. I've tried

[WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

2009-10-07 Thread Data Technology
I am using an R52N card for the first time. Does chain 0 go with J2 connector and chain 1 go with J3 connector? The docs on the card does not state which connector is which. Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not

Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

2009-10-07 Thread David E. Smith
Data Technology wrote: Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when I bought the card. I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to the same setting. Assuming you're using

Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

2009-10-07 Thread Data Technology
Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the upper right. I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Mike
6 dB difference at the ends? It sounds like the weaker link might be seeing an incidental signal from a reflection source. Have you tried setting the link to 20 MHz or 10 MHz channels? If it is severe multipath a minor change in height may make a big difference. Water tower or big steel

Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

2009-10-07 Thread RickG
Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes-

Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

2009-10-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Kahn was trial/shareware. They used your windows key to generate their 21 day key. They used a IRC interface for the chat room. I spent a lot of time on both the IRC room and playing Warcraft I/II Decent and DukeNukem...Mmmm Bubblegum =) On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Adam Kennedy

Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the card. It's TX power is extremely low now. Just a warning. I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and

Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy

2009-10-07 Thread Jayson Baker
I will try that. The link is clear. One end atop a 12-story building. The other end is on the side of a house. Elevation at the building is about 6200', house is probably around 9000' On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: 6 dB difference at the ends? It sounds like

Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?

2009-10-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Some of our voip works well on wifi, other towers it doesn't. Mostly we try to make sure that people use our voip vs. vonage or something like that. If it's a business we try to get them on some higher end services of ours, anything but wifi. That works really well! marlon - Original