[WISPA] Infinet - InfiMAN / InfiLINK 2x2 / B-NET B-300
Hi Guys, I'm wondering if any of you happen to have the InfiNET 2 x 2 or Alvarion BreezeNET B-300 working and tested. http://www.infinetwireless.com/products-technologies/skyman-ng-system/infilink-2x2 http://www.alvarion.com/index.php/en/products/breezenet/breezenetr-b We have a couple of high capacity backhauls, for which we have used Motorola PTP-600 (Orthogon), but they are very expensive I am looking for another product which does similar throughput. Please let me know if anybody can share some experience here (on or even off-list). Thanks, Rolf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Infinet - InfiMAN / InfiLINK 2x2 / B-NET B-300
Rolf, You might also want to check out this product... I've done some bench testing with it and was reasonably impressed. http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-5r-Series.aspx Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rolf Mendelsohn Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Infinet - InfiMAN / InfiLINK 2x2 / B-NET B-300 Hi Guys, I'm wondering if any of you happen to have the InfiNET 2 x 2 or Alvarion BreezeNET B-300 working and tested. http://www.infinetwireless.com/products-technologies/skyman-ng- system/infilink-2x2 http://www.alvarion.com/index.php/en/products/breezenet/breezenetr-b We have a couple of high capacity backhauls, for which we have used Motorola PTP-600 (Orthogon), but they are very expensive I am looking for another product which does similar throughput. Please let me know if anybody can share some experience here (on or even off-list). Thanks, Rolf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Using WiFi to look behind walls.
I thought this was an odd application for Wi-Fi, using the radio signals we have all around us to track people behind walls and to make up some sort of visual image. These MIT folks seem to not be taking college seriously. Where is all the drinking and unbridled sex? No, they have to sit around and invent things that change peoples, lives. Such a waste. Check this thing out, think about how this thing can evolve into a real covert imaging system using Wi-Fi. Hey, the Xerox started out as a nothing, the right folks could turn this into a full color, detailed image of the interior of a space. Money making idea here, come up with a defense for this to sell to the crazies. http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24193/?a=f Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Damn, I love this thing already.Good price too, how quick can you put this up? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have what: wonderpole 40' fiberglass push up pole where: http://www.wonderpole.com/wp640_630.html why:It is easy to take a telescoping pole to a site survey and put a panel up in air for testing. I don't push mine out to 40' often, and not for long, but regularly push it up 26' or so to do a test. Well made, reasonably priced, and made in the good old USA. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
I can 100% guarantee you that the provider still gets calls all day about how the service is too slow. We could install a OC-48 line in someone's home and they would still try to hack into it to make it go faster. J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:54 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right Hi, Because you have direct experience, I'm curious if you could share what is different in their lives because they have a 100Mbps connection? What can they do on that connection that they can't do on a 1Mbps connection? How has it changed their lives? Travis Microserv e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can get 6mbit mobile broadband sometimes as a perk for getting a permanent connection in your apartment/house. My parents had a 26Mbit down DSL connection out in the sticks (5miles from closest bus stop and grocery store) before they moved to a city (35min away and closest city within an hours drive of a 55k population, celebrated 800 years about 5 yrs ago) and now have a 100Mbit connection. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:07:45 To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right 100 meg is quite prevalent in Scandinavia and 1 gig is spreading. A 1 meg guarantee isn't much of anything there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies converge into devices that run on whatever version of the internet we will have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at this moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us will be able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Most information, other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower internet speeds be the difference between life or death? My 15 year old. Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just gonna die! Okay, that much I DO understand. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection. Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Well what do you know!??!!??!! We asked Marsh Cable for those and they said there weren't any. Apryl, please get some of these coming. marlon - Original Message - From: Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have They do. http://www.telephoneparts.com/index.cgi?pcode=PLT-100020-010placement=1 Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
If you get the EZ connectors you also need the EZ crimper. It's about $100 last time I bought one. Again, though. It's money well spent. Get a kit Tom, you'll never ever go back to the old way. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have But you're missing the point. Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard CAT5s effectively. But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other costs. The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, comparing both types. The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and the link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the cable had the bad crimp? A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace it. I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into the city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective CAT5 plug terminations. But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the defective packloss link trying to find what was wrong. I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is going down. The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure rate for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the extra $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful crimpts the first time. I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 in time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value of Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to use the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier and successful. I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that they'll slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. (Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the Jack, due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept loosing the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that would be incomplete set. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't see this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Can it go 40' unguyed? How hard it is to push it up? I've got a similar 30' that came from Radio Shack I think, but I can't get it to 30' unguyed. But, it was a LOT less cost than this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Damn, I love this thing already.Good price too, how quick can you put this up? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have what: wonderpole 40' fiberglass push up pole where: http://www.wonderpole.com/wp640_630.html why:It is easy to take a telescoping pole to a site survey and put a panel up in air for testing. I don't push mine out to 40' often, and not for long, but regularly push it up 26' or so to do a test. Well made, reasonably priced, and made in the good old USA. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the light colors apart. For cable I've been using Shireen. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I sure do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of outer jacket. And the gel is dry It doesn't make a mess of your hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the area, forcing the water out. We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in a nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of years ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water in the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and the corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's a little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of re-cabling houses. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have But you're missing the point. Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard CAT5s effectively. But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other costs. The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, comparing both types. The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and the link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the cable had the bad crimp? A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace it. I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into the city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective CAT5 plug terminations. But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the defective packloss link trying to find what was wrong. I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is going down. The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure rate for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the extra $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful crimpts the first time. I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 in time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value of Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to use the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier and successful. I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that they'll slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. (Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the Jack, due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept loosing the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that would be incomplete set. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't see this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Using WiFi to look behind walls.
This was done at University of Utah, not MIT. MIT's great and all, but I'm frankly a little tired of the undue attention they get in the media. That story about the students that launched the high altitude balloon? Old hat, U of Idaho has been doing that for years, fully student run. Some U of Tennessee students even sent a balloon clear across the Atlantic! www.spiritofknoxville.com Show some love for your public universities! On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I thought this was an odd application for Wi-Fi, using the radio signals we have all around us to track people behind walls and to make up some sort of visual image. These MIT folks seem to not be taking college seriously. Where is all the drinking and unbridled sex? No, they have to sit around and invent things that change peoples, lives. Such a waste. Check this thing out, think about how this thing can evolve into a real covert imaging system using Wi-Fi. Hey, the Xerox started out as a nothing, the right folks could turn this into a full color, detailed image of the interior of a space. Money making idea here, come up with a defense for this to sell to the crazies. http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24193/?a=f Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
It's probably just blind luck. The yagi may have it's side lobes in a different place. Also, look at some of the antenna patterns here: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm They are all different. But the worst ones to use, by far, are grids. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yabut, a dish concentrates the forward radiation. So does a panel, a slot antenna, and many others. I just wondered why you thought a Yagi solved your problem. A 2.4G yagi has large diameter elements compared to wavelength, not like the old VHF Yagi's, but are prone to icing in the winter up north. What magic did you find in the Yagi? Just curious. Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do! Ricky Ricardo At 09:31 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Because yagi antenna concentrates the forward radiation and response. -Lucy :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: Why did it solve the problem? Better side lobe attenuation? 'Splain Lucy. Mike At 08:42 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: I fixed a nasty multipath issue for one of my subs by using a yagi. Here are some good sources for info: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1121691 www.crystalcomltd.com/...whitepapers/124102032509Berkeley_Multipath.pdf http://www.rfengineer.net/1171/rf-basics-multipath/ http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note 09186a008019f646.shtml -RickG On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I don't Steve. But think of it like an echo. You get that first, clear signal coming in, laser straight. Then at some point shortly after that you start getting the reflections. If there are too many of them, and/or they are at the wrong time the radio will get confused. G SHOULD handle this better than B. It's made to use multipath's echoes to reassemble a complete message. Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. I'd have to say, for me, g is usually better with multipath than b though. B handles interference better. At least that's what I'm seeing. I have a tower that was giving 1 meg down 2 to 3 up, almost all customers saw that or worse. Swapped back to b mode only and it's now a consistent 4 megs both ways. Another thing to try is to turn down the power. Probably on both ends. If you are at -69 see if you can drop your ap by 5 then 5 more db. Make sure to drop the cpe by the same amount. What you are trying to do is move the echo down so far that it can't be heard. I've also had installs that are happiest about 2' above the ground! Here's a fun one for you. I've got one customer that shoots near a grain elevator. Most of the year he works fine, but near harvest, every year, his performance goes out the window. It seems that the wheat in the elevator is moved out and the empty elevator is worse than the full one. Out here we have VERY long links. I have one at 18 miles. PTMP. Yet there are also customers within 1 mile. 10 to 15 mile links are common place. Multipath is a real head ache as the ground conditions change. Customer's service will be perfect, until it snows. Or until they harvest a field, or the ground dries out, or it rains etc. Fortunately MOST of the time this isn't an issue. But when it does hit ya, it can be very hard to figure out. One other thing you might want to try with your customer, turn the radio to the wrong polarity. You are very close to the tower so you should still have enough signal. I've not had to do this very often, but it's a little trick that has worked before. I've also pointed them 180* the wrong way and had that work very well, especially with a grid. Let us know if anything helps. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Marlon, DO you have or know of a good white paper on Multipath issues? I agree with your assessment but I have several locations that I have not been able to resolve Multipath for. I had an installation last week 3 miles from tower AP. Clear line of site other than going over the Neighbors Metal barn and between 4 metal grain bins. We could get a -69 On 50% of the property but retries were 98% No matter where we tried High-Low left right. 100 yards either way on the road and 10% retries and a -65 signal. I just need to some documentation to solidify my understanding. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet
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Marlon, We used to use the Shireen cable, but almost every single box we got (even we ordering 10+ at a time) had busted up plastic reels inside. A busted reel means you have a $150 boat anchor. Installers hate dealing with it, and you usually end up with ugly twisted cable all over someones house. Where do you buy your from? Direct? Have you ever had issues with broken plastic reels inside? I assume you UPS Ground ship them? Jayson On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the light colors apart. For cable I've been using Shireen. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I sure do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of outer jacket. And the gel is dry It doesn't make a mess of your hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the area, forcing the water out. We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in a nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of years ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water in the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and the corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's a little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of re-cabling houses. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have But you're missing the point. Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard CAT5s effectively. But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other costs. The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, comparing both types. The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and the link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the cable had the bad crimp? A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace it. I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into the city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective CAT5 plug terminations. But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the defective packloss link trying to find what was wrong. I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is going down. The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure rate for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the extra $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful crimpts the first time. I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 in time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value of Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to use the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier and successful. I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that they'll slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. (Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the Jack, due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept loosing the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that would be incomplete set. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
Re: [WISPA] Using WiFi to look behind walls.
Yeah, I saw that later. Sorry, I was reading the MIT review and kept that in my head. But it's darn impressive. Now if we just brought back lead paint we could defend against big brother peering into my bathroom. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using WiFi to look behind walls. This was done at University of Utah, not MIT. MIT's great and all, but I'm frankly a little tired of the undue attention they get in the media. That story about the students that launched the high altitude balloon? Old hat, U of Idaho has been doing that for years, fully student run. Some U of Tennessee students even sent a balloon clear across the Atlantic! www.spiritofknoxville.com Show some love for your public universities! On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I thought this was an odd application for Wi-Fi, using the radio signals we have all around us to track people behind walls and to make up some sort of visual image. These MIT folks seem to not be taking college seriously. Where is all the drinking and unbridled sex? No, they have to sit around and invent things that change peoples, lives. Such a waste. Check this thing out, think about how this thing can evolve into a real covert imaging system using Wi-Fi. Hey, the Xerox started out as a nothing, the right folks could turn this into a full color, detailed image of the interior of a space. Money making idea here, come up with a defense for this to sell to the crazies. http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24193/?a=f Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
A piece of 12 gauge solid copper wire always worked for me Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
At a welding shop. I took a hunk of cat5 cable in and found a welding rod that JUST fit inside it. (pull the outer insulation out .5 or so) I had to grind a point on both ends and also rough up the wire so that it would stick inside the cable better. Took a few tries to get right but now that I have it nailed down it's soo cool. I don't have to drill a bigger hole. I don't have to fight with the drill flutes to find the hole in the end of the drill bit. It doesn't take two people (one to pull the other to feed the wire) etc. I've also got an 18 one that works great in trailer house floors. Drill the hole in the floor, poke the rod/wire through the insulation below, go down, find the rod, wiggle it a bit to enlarge the hole, pull the cat 5 down and off you go. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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The cable I linked to is outdoor rated/UV rated... not gel filled... I always thought that was a little extreme for non-burial applications. We had a lot of luck with that almond/beige color of that cable. Blends with most of the paint and roofs around here really well. We used to use white cable... man does that stick out on a roof! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the light colors apart. For cable I've been using Shireen. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I sure do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of outer jacket. And the gel is dry It doesn't make a mess of your hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the area, forcing the water out. We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in a nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of years ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water in the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and the corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's a little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of re-cabling houses. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have But you're missing the point. Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard CAT5s effectively. But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other costs. The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, comparing both types. The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and the link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the cable had the bad crimp? A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace it. I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into the city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective CAT5 plug terminations. But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the defective packloss link trying to find what was wrong. I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is going down. The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure rate for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the extra $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful crimpts the first time. I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 in time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value of Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to use the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier and successful. I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that they'll slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. (Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the Jack, due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept loosing the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that would be incomplete set. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
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Yeah. I just talked to Nusrat about that last week. I think I've had ONE box that didn't come in all broken up. I save all of the old pieces so I can fix them. I do NOT keep the cable in the box either. It's a PITA but the cable is so nice otherwise. My next project will be to build a cable rack for it. A lot of electricians use them. Just a tool kit with a handle on top and a removable pipe that you can slide the spool on. He did tell me that he would talk to his manufacturer about making spoolless boxes. I asked for a mechanism like the Carlson Rabbit Pull cable boxes. I love those. Less junk to throw away, lighter, smaller boxes. And very rarely a problem with how the cable spools out. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Marlon, We used to use the Shireen cable, but almost every single box we got (even we ordering 10+ at a time) had busted up plastic reels inside. A busted reel means you have a $150 boat anchor. Installers hate dealing with it, and you usually end up with ugly twisted cable all over someones house. Where do you buy your from? Direct? Have you ever had issues with broken plastic reels inside? I assume you UPS Ground ship them? Jayson On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the light colors apart. For cable I've been using Shireen. http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I sure do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of outer jacket. And the gel is dry It doesn't make a mess of your hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the area, forcing the water out. We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in a nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of years ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water in the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and the corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's a little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of re-cabling houses. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have But you're missing the point. Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard CAT5s effectively. But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other costs. The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, comparing both types. The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and the link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the cable had the bad crimp? A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace it. I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into the city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective CAT5 plug terminations. But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the defective packloss link trying to find what was wrong. I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is going down. The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure rate for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the extra $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful crimpts the first time. I compare... Risking
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Not on a windy day! I do push it up 26' unguyed regularly. 34 foot is a little harrier. They have a drive on mount that makes it nice as a socket to hold the pole. It's fiberglass so you can't get electrocuted if you get stupid. It pushes up real easily, a lot better than that rat shack steel one. That is a Rohn, right? Mike At 09:16 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: Can it go 40' unguyed? How hard it is to push it up? I've got a similar 30' that came from Radio Shack I think, but I can't get it to 30' unguyed. But, it was a LOT less cost than this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Damn, I love this thing already.Good price too, how quick can you put this up? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have what: wonderpole 40' fiberglass push up pole where: http://www.wonderpole.com/wp640_630.html why:It is easy to take a telescoping pole to a site survey and put a panel up in air for testing. I don't push mine out to 40' often, and not for long, but regularly push it up 26' or so to do a test. Well made, reasonably priced, and made in the good old USA. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Rohn 25 g for sale
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Goins wmgo...@gmail.com To: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: [TowerTalk] Rohn 25 g for sale I've discovered what looks like 50' of good-looking Rohn 25G laying behind a neighbor's barn in Pipe Creek (Texas), near San Antonio. If I didn't have to guy it, I'd take it here (might anyway). What is 25G worth now in good shape? He also has the top section (50' total) and a base. Michael Goins, k5wmg Professor, Writing University of Texas at San Antonio On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Larry Banks larryb.w1...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Greg, Check out http://www.directivesystems.com/STACKING.htm. HOW TO PLAN THE INSTALLATION OF MULTIPLE VHF ANTENNAS ON ONE MAST This is a paper on stacking arrays of yagis. It will help you figure this out, based on the specs of your 432 yagis. 73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ - Original Message - From: Gregg Seidl k...@centurytel.net To: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: [TowerTalk] antenna spacing I want to mount 2 M2 432-13WL's side by side to save mast space. On the same mast I'll have a M2 2M-18XXX and a Cushcraft D-40 which is a 40 meter rotatable dipole. I want to mount the 432 antennas lowest on the mast on an upside down U frame. My question is what is a good rule of thumb to use between the 432 elements and the horizontal cross brace. I'm think something like like a wavelength or about 2 feet at 432Mhz. Any other thoughts? Gregg K9KL ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Sounds like a sales opportunity, Marlon.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have At a welding shop. I took a hunk of cat5 cable in and found a welding rod that JUST fit inside it. (pull the outer insulation out .5 or so) I had to grind a point on both ends and also rough up the wire so that it would stick inside the cable better. Took a few tries to get right but now that I have it nailed down it's soo cool. I don't have to drill a bigger hole. I don't have to fight with the drill flutes to find the hole in the end of the drill bit. It doesn't take two people (one to pull the other to feed the wire) etc. I've also got an 18 one that works great in trailer house floors. Drill the hole in the floor, poke the rod/wire through the insulation below, go down, find the rod, wiggle it a bit to enlarge the hole, pull the cat 5 down and off you go. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
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2009/10/19 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: My next project will be to build a cable rack for it. A lot of electricians use them. Just a tool kit with a handle on top and a removable pipe that you can slide the spool on. http://www.licensedelectrician.com/Store/RT/Rack-A-Tiers_Page.htm They fold, they stack, and they're lightweight. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I just use an old chain saw file. Lots of those around here. About a foot long, pointed on one end. Going through a wall, I drill the hole about the same size as the cat5, jam the pointed end of the file in the end of the cat5, then push through the hole. Works great! I did have to learn to keep a few extra files in the truck though. I seem to have a difficult time keeping track of them. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: At a welding shop. I took a hunk of cat5 cable in and found a welding rod that JUST fit inside it. (pull the outer insulation out .5 or so) I had to grind a point on both ends and also rough up the wire so that it would stick inside the cable better. Took a few tries to get right but now that I have it nailed down it's soo cool. I don't have to drill a bigger hole. I don't have to fight with the drill flutes to find the hole in the end of the drill bit. It doesn't take two people (one to pull the other to feed the wire) etc. I've also got an 18 one that works great in trailer house floors. Drill the hole in the floor, poke the rod/wire through the insulation below, go down, find the rod, wiggle it a bit to enlarge the hole, pull the cat 5 down and off you go. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
I use 50ft (about 45ft actual) Rohn telescoping mast for site surveys when I need height. We have lots of massive trees. And we regularly extend them full height while holding them about 15 to 20 ft up. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Not on a windy day! I do push it up 26' unguyed regularly. 34 foot is a little harrier. They have a drive on mount that makes it nice as a socket to hold the pole. It's fiberglass so you can't get electrocuted if you get stupid. It pushes up real easily, a lot better than that rat shack steel one. That is a Rohn, right? Mike At 09:16 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: Can it go 40' unguyed? How hard it is to push it up? I've got a similar 30' that came from Radio Shack I think, but I can't get it to 30' unguyed. But, it was a LOT less cost than this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Damn, I love this thing already.Good price too, how quick can you put this up? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have what: wonderpole 40' fiberglass push up pole where: http://www.wonderpole.com/wp640_630.html why:It is easy to take a telescoping pole to a site survey and put a panel up in air for testing. I don't push mine out to 40' often, and not for long, but regularly push it up 26' or so to do a test. Well made, reasonably priced, and made in the good old USA. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
LOL Not worth it for a $2.00 item. grin I really wanted some all-thread for this but couldn't find the right size. I figured that would hold on the other cat5 better. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Sounds like a sales opportunity, Marlon.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have At a welding shop. I took a hunk of cat5 cable in and found a welding rod that JUST fit inside it. (pull the outer insulation out .5 or so) I had to grind a point on both ends and also rough up the wire so that it would stick inside the cable better. Took a few tries to get right but now that I have it nailed down it's soo cool. I don't have to drill a bigger hole. I don't have to fight with the drill flutes to find the hole in the end of the drill bit. It doesn't take two people (one to pull the other to feed the wire) etc. I've also got an 18 one that works great in trailer house floors. Drill the hole in the floor, poke the rod/wire through the insulation below, go down, find the rod, wiggle it a bit to enlarge the hole, pull the cat 5 down and off you go. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
More like this: http://www.licensedelectrician.com/Store/RT/E-Z_Roll.htm But much smaller. No wheels, and a handle on the top for carrying. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have 2009/10/19 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: My next project will be to build a cable rack for it. A lot of electricians use them. Just a tool kit with a handle on top and a removable pipe that you can slide the spool on. http://www.licensedelectrician.com/Store/RT/Rack-A-Tiers_Page.htm They fold, they stack, and they're lightweight. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
I'll have to try that! Sounds like about the right thing. marlon - Original Message - From: John Vogel jvo...@vogent.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have I just use an old chain saw file. Lots of those around here. About a foot long, pointed on one end. Going through a wall, I drill the hole about the same size as the cat5, jam the pointed end of the file in the end of the cat5, then push through the hole. Works great! I did have to learn to keep a few extra files in the truck though. I seem to have a difficult time keeping track of them. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: At a welding shop. I took a hunk of cat5 cable in and found a welding rod that JUST fit inside it. (pull the outer insulation out .5 or so) I had to grind a point on both ends and also rough up the wire so that it would stick inside the cable better. Took a few tries to get right but now that I have it nailed down it's soo cool. I don't have to drill a bigger hole. I don't have to fight with the drill flutes to find the hole in the end of the drill bit. It doesn't take two people (one to pull the other to feed the wire) etc. I've also got an 18 one that works great in trailer house floors. Drill the hole in the floor, poke the rod/wire through the insulation below, go down, find the rod, wiggle it a bit to enlarge the hole, pull the cat 5 down and off you go. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATTN: Northern IN WISPs
I'm still working on getting proper contact info, but dark fiber is available along the NICTD train line. I don't know where it goes yet, but the news articles make it sound like to goes somewhere useful in Chicago, but that remains to be seen. http://www.nictd.com/systemmap.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
I was going to look into OpenVPN, but haven't looked at it at all. When I later read more into your blog, I saw you recommend OpenVPN for the secure links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:26 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine IPSEC would solve that. I haven't looked at it, though. IPSEC would work, but it's a pain to do IPSEC when you're mobile, especially with Mikrotik. OpenVPN offers the same level of encryption and works very well with mobile devices. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
2009/10/18 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: On some of our 5 gig I have gone as high as a 3' dish for a customer on a ptmp system. He's around 15 miles from the tower and gets a steady 3/2 megs. The max that his Alvarion VL unit will allow. Pretty cool stuff. marlon There is a VL unit with an external antenna? I haven't been able to find such a beast. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Um, kinda. The case on the 19dB panel units just snaps together. A few screws later and the antenna is removed. There is an MCX connector inside. I then drill a hole in the case, install a pig tail, and I have a high quality high availability solution that fits the market's ouch point. I can do a high end 5.8 gig like that's 15 miles ptmp for $600, installed. And I finally MAKE a little bit of money on an install. I've got 5 or 6 of them out there now, some for over a year now. So far so good. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy 2009/10/18 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: On some of our 5 gig I have gone as high as a 3' dish for a customer on a ptmp system. He's around 15 miles from the tower and gets a steady 3/2 megs. The max that his Alvarion VL unit will allow. Pretty cool stuff. marlon There is a VL unit with an external antenna? I haven't been able to find such a beast. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
The Alvarion can go faster with an inexpensive software speed change key. They aren't free unfortunately, but still a little cheaper than a reinstallation upgrade. The VL radios can be upgraded inhouse to have connectors for antennas. If you have any broken VL AUs or B backhaul radios, you can re-use the case parts to make an older style SU without an antenna. Do remove or cover over the label so you are not confused about what it is. Writing down the mac address is good too, as it's needed for the factory reset utility. Newer SUs you can pop the antenna off with knife/screwdrivers/puttyknife, drill out a hole for a pigtail right where the green rohs sticker is on the bottom; the same spot as the 900SUs have. Various third party companies sell pigtails that are a perfect fit. I don't know the internal connector name right off hand. Then pop the antenna cover back on, and it looks like a 900SU. Warranty likely voided, but we tend not to have much trouble with their products, so it's a small risk. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:47:19AM -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/10/18 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: On some of our 5 gig I have gone as high as a 3' dish for a customer on a ptmp system. He's around 15 miles from the tower and gets a steady 3/2 megs. The max that his Alvarion VL unit will allow. Pretty cool stuff. marlon There is a VL unit with an external antenna? I haven't been able to find such a beast. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
My personal suggestion is PPTP, it works for me. OpenVPN is superior to IPSec, in my opinion, as it compares quite well but is more flexible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I was going to look into OpenVPN, but haven't looked at it at all. When I later read more into your blog, I saw you recommend OpenVPN for the secure links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:26 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine IPSEC would solve that. I haven't looked at it, though. IPSEC would work, but it's a pain to do IPSEC when you're mobile, especially with Mikrotik. OpenVPN offers the same level of encryption and works very well with mobile devices. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Its called a Coat Hanger. Mark McElvy wrote: Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Ah... But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days. Our old standby multi-tool is becoming extinct. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Its called a Coat Hanger. Mark McElvy wrote: Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Those are too small. The cat5 won't stick on them tightly. marlon - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Its called a Coat Hanger. Mark McElvy wrote: Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Time to start using the drycleaner ;) I always get one or more nice new multi-tool when I pick the drycleaning ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Ah... But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days. Our old standby multi-tool is becoming extinct. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Its called a Coat Hanger. Mark McElvy wrote: Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] killer tripod unsolicited recommendation
We had a cheap tripod blow apart on us a couple weeks ago. Stupid thing had rivets holding it together. We don't use that brand any more. Since this is a semi-critical link, we decided to find the best tripod we could for this one. http://www.ronard.com/Tripods%200703/6009.html Holy cow these are nice. 2 inch mast, 1.5 inch legs. Two feet for each leg, plus the mast. 40 (yes forty) lag screws to hold it down. Works on pitched, slant, etc. No rivets. I'm impressed. I'll see if I can get them to become vendor members. I've been pleased with everything I've tried from them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need help on unit repair
I have about 40 APs deployed at a site for about 4-5 years maybe. All the internal power supplies built in are starting to fail. I've had about half of them fail in the past 6 months. The model is the InterEpoch IWE110 or known as Engenius EL-2511CD-PLUS-EXT2 or Senao NL-2511CD PLUS EXT2 All the same stuff I believe. Also some older Deliberant gear used some similar boards. Anyone familiar with this equipment knows there are two ways to power the device - the 5v power connector on the unit or via 48v PoE. The 5v works on all of them but they need to use PoE. There is a red power module (optional on some of their versions PN WL-POE01-04) that converts DC DC from 48V to 5V. I tested the little red board and the output has fallen to about 2-3v output which is why the AP will not function properly. The DC-DC converter should have 5v coming out of it. Photo pf board and PS here http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/deadpoe.jpg Anyone familiar with how to fix this stuff of can recommend a replacement DC-DC 48v-5v power module? I'm trying to do this cheap as possible while not having to replace 40 APs. Would this work if I soldered it into the inside of the case bypassing the current power supply with the problem? http://www.lightobject.com/4805S-DC-DC-5V-Isolated-Power-Module-P105.aspx Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need help on unit repair
The little dc-dc converter is rated for 5W only, does not appear to be a lot of power.. Your other option may be to 'retro-fit' the dc-dc power module like the one shireen has http://shireeninc.com/poe-extractor.html Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Need help on unit repair I have about 40 APs deployed at a site for about 4-5 years maybe. All the internal power supplies built in are starting to fail. I've had about half of them fail in the past 6 months. The model is the InterEpoch IWE110 or known as Engenius EL-2511CD-PLUS-EXT2 or Senao NL-2511CD PLUS EXT2 All the same stuff I believe. Also some older Deliberant gear used some similar boards. Anyone familiar with this equipment knows there are two ways to power the device - the 5v power connector on the unit or via 48v PoE. The 5v works on all of them but they need to use PoE. There is a red power module (optional on some of their versions PN WL-POE01-04) that converts DC DC from 48V to 5V. I tested the little red board and the output has fallen to about 2-3v output which is why the AP will not function properly. The DC-DC converter should have 5v coming out of it. Photo pf board and PS here http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/deadpoe.jpg Anyone familiar with how to fix this stuff of can recommend a replacement DC-DC 48v-5v power module? I'm trying to do this cheap as possible while not having to replace 40 APs. Would this work if I soldered it into the inside of the case bypassing the current power supply with the problem? http://www.lightobject.com/4805S-DC-DC-5V-Isolated-Power-Module-P105.aspx Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole?
Anyone with a good source of this tools? I bought some last week, very crappy Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole?
What is it that you bought? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone with a good source of this tools? I bought some last week, very crappy Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole?
http://cableorganizer.com/fiberglass-rod/telescoping-pole.htm Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole? What is it that you bought? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone with a good source of this tools? I bought some last week, very crappy Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole?
Not as nice as that, but I built one out of 8' hunks of pvc pipe that I glued threaded ends on. marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole? http://cableorganizer.com/fiberglass-rod/telescoping-pole.htm Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installers telescoping fiber pole? What is it that you bought? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone with a good source of this tools? I bought some last week, very crappy Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link fromStationtoCruiser
I've used PPTP so far, but I know IPSec is more secure. Apparently OpenVPN has that security as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link fromStationtoCruiser My personal suggestion is PPTP, it works for me. OpenVPN is superior to IPSec, in my opinion, as it compares quite well but is more flexible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I was going to look into OpenVPN, but haven't looked at it at all. When I later read more into your blog, I saw you recommend OpenVPN for the secure links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 18:26 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine IPSEC would solve that. I haven't looked at it, though. IPSEC would work, but it's a pain to do IPSEC when you're mobile, especially with Mikrotik. OpenVPN offers the same level of encryption and works very well with mobile devices. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
So I go back out to the customer to do some testing. Customers router is on channel 11 and I am on 5. The client radio can see two of my AP's, one on channel 5 and the other on 6. The tower I am connected to now is 2.7miles away @ 324 degrees and the other tower is 5.5 miles @ 355 degrees. I tried turning to left of the tower, away from the distant tower till I was @ about -70 and I get the same result. Here is something I find interesting. I started a constant ping to the AP and the border router. I can RDP to my monitoring server and connect to my exchange server in the office while getting no ping response but cannot browse. If the pings start responding, I can browse. The pings will respond for a minute or so then stop for a few minutes. I am not seeing this at my other customers on this AP. Still think multipath? I tried to connect to the distant AP with a signal @ -80 but it did not want to associate. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of retries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Change from b to g or g to be mode. Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal path? This looks a LOT like multipath. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
OK, lots of stuff here... First, I NEVER use channel 5, 6, or 7. I rarely use 4 or 8 either. Any time I find a client router on anything other than 6 I move it. MOST home routers default to channel 6, so that's a good thing to stay far far away from. You should be able to easily connect to something that's got a -80 signal. What is the signal level at the AP? Do they match what the cpe is seeing? At least close to the same? OK, next test. Can you ping the radio from the customer's computer? How does it do? Are there any components that have NOT been changed out yet? I've seen cat5 cause some strange things. If you want, put a public ip and temp pass on the ap and cpe and give me a call. I'll see if anything stand out to me. Sometimes another set of eyes makes a lot of difference. Also, have you tried rotating to a different polarity? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy So I go back out to the customer to do some testing. Customers router is on channel 11 and I am on 5. The client radio can see two of my AP's, one on channel 5 and the other on 6. The tower I am connected to now is 2.7miles away @ 324 degrees and the other tower is 5.5 miles @ 355 degrees. I tried turning to left of the tower, away from the distant tower till I was @ about -70 and I get the same result. Here is something I find interesting. I started a constant ping to the AP and the border router. I can RDP to my monitoring server and connect to my exchange server in the office while getting no ping response but cannot browse. If the pings start responding, I can browse. The pings will respond for a minute or so then stop for a few minutes. I am not seeing this at my other customers on this AP. Still think multipath? I tried to connect to the distant AP with a signal @ -80 but it did not want to associate. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of retries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Change from b to g or g to be mode. Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal path? This looks a LOT like multipath. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of acting like I
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
I had something similar last spring. A client with a Tranzeo connected to a MT AP that could not ping most of the time to the tower or my DNS server. However, Setting at my desk across the wan I could be logged in to the Radio while the pings consistently dropped for my tech at the other end. After multiple Tranzeo radios I built a MT 411a with a Arc Panel and a XR2, the exact same setup and firmware as the tower. Problem Solved. 40 other Tranzeo's on the tower no issues. Even went up the road with one of the radios that would not work at that location and worked with it for 1 hour no problems. Never figured out the issue, but the customer no longer calls and is happy so chalked it up to WIFI Black Magic. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy So I go back out to the customer to do some testing. Customers router is on channel 11 and I am on 5. The client radio can see two of my AP's, one on channel 5 and the other on 6. The tower I am connected to now is 2.7miles away @ 324 degrees and the other tower is 5.5 miles @ 355 degrees. I tried turning to left of the tower, away from the distant tower till I was @ about -70 and I get the same result. Here is something I find interesting. I started a constant ping to the AP and the border router. I can RDP to my monitoring server and connect to my exchange server in the office while getting no ping response but cannot browse. If the pings start responding, I can browse. The pings will respond for a minute or so then stop for a few minutes. I am not seeing this at my other customers on this AP. Still think multipath? I tried to connect to the distant AP with a signal @ -80 but it did not want to associate. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of retries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Change from b to g or g to be mode. Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal path? This looks a LOT like multipath. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Is the ACK timeout set weird on the Tranzeo's? Someone had mentioned they couldn't use the UBNT Locos because the ack timeout was limited to 3 miles. Maybe the Tranzeo is at that distance mark. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I had something similar last spring. A client with a Tranzeo connected to a MT AP that could not ping most of the time to the tower or my DNS server. However, Setting at my desk across the wan I could be logged in to the Radio while the pings consistently dropped for my tech at the other end. After multiple Tranzeo radios I built a MT 411a with a Arc Panel and a XR2, the exact same setup and firmware as the tower. Problem Solved. 40 other Tranzeo's on the tower no issues. Even went up the road with one of the radios that would not work at that location and worked with it for 1 hour no problems. Never figured out the issue, but the customer no longer calls and is happy so chalked it up to WIFI Black Magic. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy So I go back out to the customer to do some testing. Customers router is on channel 11 and I am on 5. The client radio can see two of my AP's, one on channel 5 and the other on 6. The tower I am connected to now is 2.7miles away @ 324 degrees and the other tower is 5.5 miles @ 355 degrees. I tried turning to left of the tower, away from the distant tower till I was @ about -70 and I get the same result. Here is something I find interesting. I started a constant ping to the AP and the border router. I can RDP to my monitoring server and connect to my exchange server in the office while getting no ping response but cannot browse. If the pings start responding, I can browse. The pings will respond for a minute or so then stop for a few minutes. I am not seeing this at my other customers on this AP. Still think multipath? I tried to connect to the distant AP with a signal @ -80 but it did not want to associate. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of retries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
No ACK is fully adjustable and is Mostly auto dependent on the Mileage you set. You need to set the RTS threshold from the Tranzeo default of 3000 to 512 when connecting to a newer release of MT. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is the ACK timeout set weird on the Tranzeo's? Someone had mentioned they couldn't use the UBNT Locos because the ack timeout was limited to 3 miles. Maybe the Tranzeo is at that distance mark. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I had something similar last spring. A client with a Tranzeo connected to a MT AP that could not ping most of the time to the tower or my DNS server. However, Setting at my desk across the wan I could be logged in to the Radio while the pings consistently dropped for my tech at the other end. After multiple Tranzeo radios I built a MT 411a with a Arc Panel and a XR2, the exact same setup and firmware as the tower. Problem Solved. 40 other Tranzeo's on the tower no issues. Even went up the road with one of the radios that would not work at that location and worked with it for 1 hour no problems. Never figured out the issue, but the customer no longer calls and is happy so chalked it up to WIFI Black Magic. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy So I go back out to the customer to do some testing. Customers router is on channel 11 and I am on 5. The client radio can see two of my AP's, one on channel 5 and the other on 6. The tower I am connected to now is 2.7miles away @ 324 degrees and the other tower is 5.5 miles @ 355 degrees. I tried turning to left of the tower, away from the distant tower till I was @ about -70 and I get the same result. Here is something I find interesting. I started a constant ping to the AP and the border router. I can RDP to my monitoring server and connect to my exchange server in the office while getting no ping response but cannot browse. If the pings start responding, I can browse. The pings will respond for a minute or so then stop for a few minutes. I am not seeing this at my other customers on this AP. Still think multipath? I tried to connect to the distant AP with a signal @ -80 but it did not want to associate. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
I tried everything else and once I put the yagi on no more issues. Not sure on the magic. BTW: It has a radome cover so no icing :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Yabut, a dish concentrates the forward radiation. So does a panel, a slot antenna, and many others. I just wondered why you thought a Yagi solved your problem. A 2.4G yagi has large diameter elements compared to wavelength, not like the old VHF Yagi's, but are prone to icing in the winter up north. What magic did you find in the Yagi? Just curious. Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do! Ricky Ricardo At 09:31 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Because yagi antenna concentrates the forward radiation and response. -Lucy :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: Why did it solve the problem? Better side lobe attenuation? 'Splain Lucy. Mike At 08:42 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: I fixed a nasty multipath issue for one of my subs by using a yagi. Here are some good sources for info: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1121691 www.crystalcomltd.com/...whitepapers/124102032509Berkeley_Multipath.pdf http://www.rfengineer.net/1171/rf-basics-multipath/ http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note 09186a008019f646.shtml -RickG On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I don't Steve. But think of it like an echo. You get that first, clear signal coming in, laser straight. Then at some point shortly after that you start getting the reflections. If there are too many of them, and/or they are at the wrong time the radio will get confused. G SHOULD handle this better than B. It's made to use multipath's echoes to reassemble a complete message. Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. I'd have to say, for me, g is usually better with multipath than b though. B handles interference better. At least that's what I'm seeing. I have a tower that was giving 1 meg down 2 to 3 up, almost all customers saw that or worse. Swapped back to b mode only and it's now a consistent 4 megs both ways. Another thing to try is to turn down the power. Probably on both ends. If you are at -69 see if you can drop your ap by 5 then 5 more db. Make sure to drop the cpe by the same amount. What you are trying to do is move the echo down so far that it can't be heard. I've also had installs that are happiest about 2' above the ground! Here's a fun one for you. I've got one customer that shoots near a grain elevator. Most of the year he works fine, but near harvest, every year, his performance goes out the window. It seems that the wheat in the elevator is moved out and the empty elevator is worse than the full one. Out here we have VERY long links. I have one at 18 miles. PTMP. Yet there are also customers within 1 mile. 10 to 15 mile links are common place. Multipath is a real head ache as the ground conditions change. Customer's service will be perfect, until it snows. Or until they harvest a field, or the ground dries out, or it rains etc. Fortunately MOST of the time this isn't an issue. But when it does hit ya, it can be very hard to figure out. One other thing you might want to try with your customer, turn the radio to the wrong polarity. You are very close to the tower so you should still have enough signal. I've not had to do this very often, but it's a little trick that has worked before. I've also pointed them 180* the wrong way and had that work very well, especially with a grid. Let us know if anything helps. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Marlon, DO you have or know of a good white paper on Multipath issues? I agree with your assessment but I have several locations that I have not been able to resolve Multipath for. I had an installation last week 3 miles from tower AP. Clear line of site other than going over the Neighbors Metal barn and between 4 metal grain bins. We could get a -69 On 50% of the property but retries were 98% No matter where we tried High-Low left right. 100 yards either way on the road and 10% retries and a -65 signal. I just need to some documentation to solidify my understanding. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
I dont know about blind or luck, when something doesnt work, I try things until they do :) On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: It's probably just blind luck. The yagi may have it's side lobes in a different place. Also, look at some of the antenna patterns here: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm They are all different. But the worst ones to use, by far, are grids. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yabut, a dish concentrates the forward radiation. So does a panel, a slot antenna, and many others. I just wondered why you thought a Yagi solved your problem. A 2.4G yagi has large diameter elements compared to wavelength, not like the old VHF Yagi's, but are prone to icing in the winter up north. What magic did you find in the Yagi? Just curious. Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do! Ricky Ricardo At 09:31 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Because yagi antenna concentrates the forward radiation and response. -Lucy :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: Why did it solve the problem? Better side lobe attenuation? 'Splain Lucy. Mike At 08:42 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: I fixed a nasty multipath issue for one of my subs by using a yagi. Here are some good sources for info: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1121691 www.crystalcomltd.com/...whitepapers/124102032509Berkeley_Multipath.pdf http://www.rfengineer.net/1171/rf-basics-multipath/ http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note 09186a008019f646.shtml -RickG On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I don't Steve. But think of it like an echo. You get that first, clear signal coming in, laser straight. Then at some point shortly after that you start getting the reflections. If there are too many of them, and/or they are at the wrong time the radio will get confused. G SHOULD handle this better than B. It's made to use multipath's echoes to reassemble a complete message. Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. I'd have to say, for me, g is usually better with multipath than b though. B handles interference better. At least that's what I'm seeing. I have a tower that was giving 1 meg down 2 to 3 up, almost all customers saw that or worse. Swapped back to b mode only and it's now a consistent 4 megs both ways. Another thing to try is to turn down the power. Probably on both ends. If you are at -69 see if you can drop your ap by 5 then 5 more db. Make sure to drop the cpe by the same amount. What you are trying to do is move the echo down so far that it can't be heard. I've also had installs that are happiest about 2' above the ground! Here's a fun one for you. I've got one customer that shoots near a grain elevator. Most of the year he works fine, but near harvest, every year, his performance goes out the window. It seems that the wheat in the elevator is moved out and the empty elevator is worse than the full one. Out here we have VERY long links. I have one at 18 miles. PTMP. Yet there are also customers within 1 mile. 10 to 15 mile links are common place. Multipath is a real head ache as the ground conditions change. Customer's service will be perfect, until it snows. Or until they harvest a field, or the ground dries out, or it rains etc. Fortunately MOST of the time this isn't an issue. But when it does hit ya, it can be very hard to figure out. One other thing you might want to try with your customer, turn the radio to the wrong polarity. You are very close to the tower so you should still have enough signal. I've not had to do this very often, but it's a little trick that has worked before. I've also pointed them 180* the wrong way and had that work very well, especially with a grid. Let us know if anything helps. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Marlon, DO you have or know of a good white paper on Multipath issues? I agree with your assessment but I have several locations that I have not been able to resolve Multipath for. I had an installation last week 3 miles from tower AP. Clear line of site other than going over the Neighbors Metal barn and between 4 metal grain bins. We could get a -69 On 50% of the property but retries were 98% No matter where we tried High-Low left right. 100 yards either way on the road and
[WISPA] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz ?
Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's Spectrum for Broadband filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz ?
Afaik There's no FCC approved gear for that space Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's Spectrum for Broadband filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz ?
Gino, Read Jacks question again. He is asking not wanting to use the frequency. Richard 2009/10/19 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com: Afaik There's no FCC approved gear for that space Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's Spectrum for Broadband filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz ?
Doesn't UBNT have a card that works in those frequencies (albeit not legally in US)? Jack Unger wrote: Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's Spectrum for Broadband filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz ?
I thought they had the XR3-3.7 but I'm not "up" on it. Randy Cosby wrote: Doesn't UBNT have a card that works in those frequencies (albeit not legally in US)? Jack Unger wrote: Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's "Spectrum for Broadband" filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and3.700 GHz ?
Uhh? Wispa work is in the FCC jurisdiction, if anyone is using the gear, it should be FCC approved... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of richard sterne Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Anyone using ANY gear between 3.675 and3.700 GHz ? Gino, Read Jacks question again. He is asking not wanting to use the frequency. Richard 2009/10/19 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com: Afaik There's no FCC approved gear for that space Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Guys, Is anybody using (or know about) ANY gear between 3.675 and 3.700 GHz? We're working on WISPA's Spectrum for Broadband filing and we need to know what is (or isn't) available. Thanks!! jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Speaking of multi-tool - these are awesome http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XU43IC/ref=ox_ya_oh_product If I forget something from the toolbag, this is great. It is also a lot lighter than the traditional old Leathermen, that were so heavy you started to lean to one side. This is just like a slightly large pocketknife. Highly recommended. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Robert West wrote: Ah... But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days. Our old standby multi-tool is becoming extinct. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Really nice article Marlon. Thanks for sharing. No date, when did you write that? At 09:25 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: It's probably just blind luck. The yagi may have it's side lobes in a different place. Also, look at some of the antenna patterns here: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm They are all different. But the worst ones to use, by far, are grids. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yabut, a dish concentrates the forward radiation. So does a panel, a slot antenna, and many others. I just wondered why you thought a Yagi solved your problem. A 2.4G yagi has large diameter elements compared to wavelength, not like the old VHF Yagi's, but are prone to icing in the winter up north. What magic did you find in the Yagi? Just curious. Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do! Ricky Ricardo At 09:31 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Because yagi antenna concentrates the forward radiation and response. -Lucy :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: Why did it solve the problem? Better side lobe attenuation? 'Splain Lucy. Mike At 08:42 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: I fixed a nasty multipath issue for one of my subs by using a yagi. Here are some good sources for info: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1121691 www.crystalcomltd.com/...whitepapers/124102032509Berkeley_Multipath.pdf http://www.rfengineer.net/1171/rf-basics-multipath/ http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note 09186a008019f646.shtml -RickG On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I don't Steve. But think of it like an echo. You get that first, clear signal coming in, laser straight. Then at some point shortly after that you start getting the reflections. If there are too many of them, and/or they are at the wrong time the radio will get confused. G SHOULD handle this better than B. It's made to use multipath's echoes to reassemble a complete message. Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. I'd have to say, for me, g is usually better with multipath than b though. B handles interference better. At least that's what I'm seeing. I have a tower that was giving 1 meg down 2 to 3 up, almost all customers saw that or worse. Swapped back to b mode only and it's now a consistent 4 megs both ways. Another thing to try is to turn down the power. Probably on both ends. If you are at -69 see if you can drop your ap by 5 then 5 more db. Make sure to drop the cpe by the same amount. What you are trying to do is move the echo down so far that it can't be heard. I've also had installs that are happiest about 2' above the ground! Here's a fun one for you. I've got one customer that shoots near a grain elevator. Most of the year he works fine, but near harvest, every year, his performance goes out the window. It seems that the wheat in the elevator is moved out and the empty elevator is worse than the full one. Out here we have VERY long links. I have one at 18 miles. PTMP. Yet there are also customers within 1 mile. 10 to 15 mile links are common place. Multipath is a real head ache as the ground conditions change. Customer's service will be perfect, until it snows. Or until they harvest a field, or the ground dries out, or it rains etc. Fortunately MOST of the time this isn't an issue. But when it does hit ya, it can be very hard to figure out. One other thing you might want to try with your customer, turn the radio to the wrong polarity. You are very close to the tower so you should still have enough signal. I've not had to do this very often, but it's a little trick that has worked before. I've also pointed them 180* the wrong way and had that work very well, especially with a grid. Let us know if anything helps. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Marlon, DO you have or know of a good white paper on Multipath issues? I agree with your assessment but I have several locations that I have not been able to resolve Multipath for. I had an installation last week 3 miles from tower AP. Clear line of site other than going over the Neighbors Metal barn and between 4 metal grain bins. We could get a -69 On 50% of the property but retries were 98% No matter where we
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
H. 2001 or 2002? It's the HARDEST one I've ever written. That one took months of research. I really lucked out in getting permission from the guy that created the 3d antenna patterns. He and I ended up talking quite a bit (he reviewed the article before it was published as I recall), heck of a nice guy. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Really nice article Marlon. Thanks for sharing. No date, when did you write that? At 09:25 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: It's probably just blind luck. The yagi may have it's side lobes in a different place. Also, look at some of the antenna patterns here: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm They are all different. But the worst ones to use, by far, are grids. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yabut, a dish concentrates the forward radiation. So does a panel, a slot antenna, and many others. I just wondered why you thought a Yagi solved your problem. A 2.4G yagi has large diameter elements compared to wavelength, not like the old VHF Yagi's, but are prone to icing in the winter up north. What magic did you find in the Yagi? Just curious. Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do! Ricky Ricardo At 09:31 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Because yagi antenna concentrates the forward radiation and response. -Lucy :) On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: Why did it solve the problem? Better side lobe attenuation? 'Splain Lucy. Mike At 08:42 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: I fixed a nasty multipath issue for one of my subs by using a yagi. Here are some good sources for info: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1121691 www.crystalcomltd.com/...whitepapers/124102032509Berkeley_Multipath.pdf http://www.rfengineer.net/1171/rf-basics-multipath/ http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note 09186a008019f646.shtml -RickG On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I don't Steve. But think of it like an echo. You get that first, clear signal coming in, laser straight. Then at some point shortly after that you start getting the reflections. If there are too many of them, and/or they are at the wrong time the radio will get confused. G SHOULD handle this better than B. It's made to use multipath's echoes to reassemble a complete message. Sometimes it works that way, sometimes it doesn't. I'd have to say, for me, g is usually better with multipath than b though. B handles interference better. At least that's what I'm seeing. I have a tower that was giving 1 meg down 2 to 3 up, almost all customers saw that or worse. Swapped back to b mode only and it's now a consistent 4 megs both ways. Another thing to try is to turn down the power. Probably on both ends. If you are at -69 see if you can drop your ap by 5 then 5 more db. Make sure to drop the cpe by the same amount. What you are trying to do is move the echo down so far that it can't be heard. I've also had installs that are happiest about 2' above the ground! Here's a fun one for you. I've got one customer that shoots near a grain elevator. Most of the year he works fine, but near harvest, every year, his performance goes out the window. It seems that the wheat in the elevator is moved out and the empty elevator is worse than the full one. Out here we have VERY long links. I have one at 18 miles. PTMP. Yet there are also customers within 1 mile. 10 to 15 mile links are common place. Multipath is a real head ache as the ground conditions change. Customer's service will be perfect, until it snows. Or until they harvest a field, or the ground dries out, or it rains etc. Fortunately MOST of the time this isn't an issue. But when it does hit ya, it can be very hard to figure out. One other thing you might want to try with your customer, turn the radio to the wrong polarity. You are very close to the tower so you should still have enough signal. I've not had to do this very often, but it's a little trick that has worked before. I've also pointed them 180* the wrong way and had that work very well, especially with a grid. Let us know if anything helps. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16,
