Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Robert West
I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass it along and forget it. Not my job. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Adam Goodman
To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the copyright owner to the

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread os10rules
What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems like then more of the burden might fall on you. GReg On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote: To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Nick Olsen
It all depends on the ISP. All they are doing is looking for the abuse email on the network. For our network this is us. However, Some of the bigger ISP's (TWTC...ect) actually have a up to date whois that you can query, So you Put in the info for lets say 65.33.33.33 and it says TWTC but once

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Nick Olsen
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from, When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at a customer. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106

Re: [WISPA] USF changes?

2009-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
This is the critical phrase The measure will expand who pays into the fund Anyone know the answer? This is good if it makes high volume DSL and Cable Co to continue to pay USF fees. But not so good if it makes suburban WISPs have to start paying into the fund. Its a competitive advantage

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this. I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for the server delivering copyrighted information. The ISP has to be tracking CPE

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last week? last month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

2009-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
OR one can just do a professional install job, and not have loose cables, and properly stable/fasten all cables flush to surfaces every three feet, and run behind walls, and under trims, etc. Dogs have never been a threat to my installs. Sure a Dog might chew a 6ft Patch Cable, but thats

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
good point. So what does the law require? Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
OK so let's play out the scenario. Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know Studio gets subpoena What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation. If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know. If the network is fixed

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread os10rules
But they also keep records of who had which IP when. Greg On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
AFAIK your assertion that NAT/DHCP - has no way to know is not entirely correct. Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC address of your modem to tie to your account (DHCP has logs you know), University students sign up for dorm internet using their mac address (which

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
So what does the law require? It doesn't. Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public IP, then ISPs need to be provided as such. Keep in mind, too, that IPs

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Nick Olsen
This is correct, But the cable companys hand out public addresses with DHCP. So you can say, Yeah This address was assigned to mac on this date. And they know the offending IP because it was in the email, But When you nat all your customers, the ip in the email is the IP assigned to the wan

Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?

2009-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Rick, No your assumption is not true. Property Tax is applied on property. When you buy radio CPE it shows up on your financials as property, and if you TAX DEDUCT the cost of the CPE, which I sure hope you do for your benefit, you have claimed those purchases as property. A Auditor isn;t

Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?

2009-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Quick Clarification As far as I know Personal Property Tax is a County Tax, and taxation is under the jurisdiction of the County Code, so its possible some states or Counties might not have a Personal Property Tax on anything. However, in our case the State collect Property Tax on behalf

Re: [WISPA] NTIA / RUS - Request for Information for 2nd Round Released

2009-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
WISPA as well will be filing comments, and have been patiently waiting this anticipated ROI. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu To: memb...@wispa.org ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 10,

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Adam Goodman
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you asking if it is our job to follow the tax law? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Adam Goodman

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
This actually leads to another question: Based on Federal CALEA requirements, aren't we (the service provider) supposed to keep our detail records of subscibers and usage logs .We keep logs by using a centralied Syslog server, where we log access, based on time stamp records, we can go

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
no it's not. but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be prepared to comply Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really your (our) job to protect those

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Clint Ricker
CALEA does require that you be able to identify subscribers by IP address and, as necessary take captures. So, once this data is collected for CALEA compliance purposes (as is mandatory), then it can be used in other legal proceedings. However, I don't see how a service provider has to provide

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Data Technology
Do we have to do the logging or just give them a port to connect their magic box into so they can record everything? LaRoy McCann Data Technology Jerry Richardson wrote: no it's not. but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be prepared to comply Sent from my iPhone

Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

2009-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've had dogs pull the cable right off the side of the building. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 OR one

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
This information will help clarify (or confuse further) http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-10 Thread Blake Covarrubias
We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our service area and carry about 55 channels which includes most of the major networks. We're interested in deploying IPTV. What middleware software would you recommend? You mentioned you used Linux in your headend environment. Can

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
The point I was making is that Based on CALEA requirements, each ISP is supposed to keep records of useage and access, and should be available via easy access (not a few hrs of research). Disclosing the End user info to DMCA That is not what we do and not in favor off either, but using

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
You do NOT have to be able to identify the user by IP. What you have to be able to do is forward (in real time) all traffic to LEA. Butch Evens helped write our standard: http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html he'll be able to give you much more accurate info on the specifics than I can.

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
You have to follow network designs that allow for CALEA intercepts if need be. If you've not looked at the WISPA standard I'd suggest you do so now. It'll be a lot easier to comply if the network is designed for LEA interface ahead of time. http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html marlon

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You have to be able to Identify the Customer, weather you do it via IP or any other info is a monior Technicality. A lot of the Subpoena issued via mail or fax are more 'in support' of whatever the case the appropriate law enforcemnet agency is working on. Next time you get a Subpoena

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
It's dumb. You could have 100s of folks behind a NAT. You can identify the account connection to your system but not the ID of the computer. It isn't well thought out. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
That's the point I was trying to make. If you are going to run NAT/DHCP, then you need to track the MAC address of the CPE's. If it's an open WiFi network, then all bets are off. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Robert West
We Nat everyone and we log not much of anything because I'm an internet service, not a monitoring service. They don't pay me to do such things therefore I don't. However, I did have one case of suspected child porn and told the cops to feel free to install their own box to log it and they did.

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
An that will be sufficient assuming that you can point to an IP on your network and know who has it at the time. the only way to do that is to track the MAC address of the CPE. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Robert West
Exactly. They are the detectives so I basically told them to feel free to detect. Just don't mess with my network. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson
I assume you gave them a port on your edge switch that mirrored your network feed? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA

Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

2009-11-10 Thread Robert West
They just plugged some linux box one of their computer cop dudes put together into our main switch in the office and left. They monitored it from the cop shop. All we told them was we needed to see a court order before they plugged the thing in. Bob- -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?

2009-11-10 Thread Jayson Baker
Middleware... we initially used something that started with an E... I don't remember. It was junk, and the developers were not too bright. We ended up going with Minerva - it's great. ATT U-Verse runs Minerva, so that has to tell you something. Our headend was built by Avail Media. I don't

Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?

2009-11-10 Thread RickG
Tom, Your reply is the the info I was looking for. Thanks for your reply. I do believe you are correct but I'll double-check with my county and CPA. I've moved so many times around the country that I cant keep up! Just a note, we have been paying our property taxes by default because of our

Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

2009-11-10 Thread John Thomas
How about http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetailproductId=69899-1267-FO550Mlpage=none where the dogs can reach it? John Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple