Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
If the CPEs are bridged and customers own the router, how do you protect your network from people entering invalid or duplicate Ips or other nasty things that they might do? Thanks, Mark On 11/17/09 9:56 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Buy NS2 Rip Tranzeo down (slide down or smash the Ethernet cover Install NS2 ??? PROFIT!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Kurt, Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive. Mark Country Connections Washington Court House, OH On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Same here, although we never had any troubles with Tranzeo NAT either (we run PPPoE/NAT on all w/client isolation on AP). Regards Michael Baird Kurt, Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive. Mark Country Connections Washington Court House, OH On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intermittant connectivity
The trees/ brush grew up, when installed the signal was more like -78. The problem is I have other towers/ aps with similar customers, ones whose links have degraded over time due to foliage and those AP's seem fine. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intermittant connectivity 509.988.0260 I'll tell you though, trees are a no no. ESPECIALLY with such low signal levels. I've found that anything less than about -85 won't be stable. I try really hard to stay closer to -75. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; mikrotik-us...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Intermittant connectivity Here we go again... referring to the frustrating install customer issue. It basically comes down to intermittent ability to ping the AP interface, pings for a bit then time out for a bit, then starts replying again. First noticed the issue with a new install on an AP I have not added a customer to for a while. I had another customer on the AP poor connectivity issues but did not see the on and off pinging and they were shooting through under growth, I moved there radio to the other side of the house and put a NS2 on instead of the CPQ. I went to another customer on this AP and they have the same issue with pings coming and going. And random web browsing timeouts. I am kind of pondering AP issues but why would my other customers have the problem? I do have on customer with a really poor signal, -90/-92 due to a shot kinda through trees. Is there anyone using similar equipment willing to talk on the phone to discuss this problem? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.247.9980 - Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Deliberant - hands down. Have not had a problem with anything at all like this. We dropped Tranzeo a few years ago for other reasons, and are very happy we did. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:23 AM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
I run everything client in as a router (no nat) and have a central nat server. no pesky nat tables at the client end, or my end (MT, 1gb ram, 1.2ghz p3) and never sees more then ~15% cpu. AP's run in bridged mode for that few extra cycles, with a MT behind em. Mark Stephenson wrote: If the CPEs are bridged and customers own the router, how do you protect your network from people entering invalid or duplicate Ips or other nasty things that they might do? Thanks, Mark On 11/17/09 9:56 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles Kurt, Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive. Mark Country Connections Washington Court House, OH On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Well, that's pretty amazing too, they are hard to find, Ubiquity has supply issues, NS2's seem to be in short supply right now, NS2-L's are available though. We use more Loco's though, so that is good for us, get the NanoBracket/LocoBracket's as well, they really make installation a breeze. Regards Michael Baird Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles Kurt, Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive. Mark Country Connections Washington Court House, OH On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Go Kurt go! I think you will be pleased and it is especially nice that the order did not cost as much as it would with other solutions. Ubiquiti is not perfect either, but there seems to be real value there. Most of our new installs are Ubiquiti now days unless the units are sold out. On 11/17/09 12:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles Kurt, Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive. Mark Country Connections Washington Court House, OH On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the network. On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Reality. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
I'll take my happy delusions any day over your miserable reality. Gary Garrett wrote: Reality. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
Can anyone send me the list of Stimulus applicants one of our members compiled and offered a few weeks back. Al Schneider 440-247-7501 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett [ggarr...@nidaho.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles Reality. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
I do this when the customer has a smart closet http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCZzpHome.jsp?minisite=10027respid=22372 It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy oh boy, I might have to do some re-wiring! ryan On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
You may not have to rewire...depends a lot on the distance of the link, but Cat 3 will work. Ryan Spott wrote: I do this when the customer has a "smart closet" http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCZzpHome.jsp?minisite=10027respid=22372 It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy oh boy, I might have to do some re-wiring! ryan On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Cat3 == phone line phone line != Cat3 Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories. A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by electricians, homeowners, etc... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful. You'll never figure out what's happening. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Cat3 == phone line phone line != Cat3 Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories. A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by electricians, homeowners, etc... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
...unless, a knowledgeable architect did a 100% home run to a wiring closet...then you have a chance. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful. You'll never figure out what's happening. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Cat3 == phone line phone line != Cat3 Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories. A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by electricians, homeowners, etc... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch
Unless space is a major issue, it is usually much more economical to get a copper managed switch and use media converters to go from copper to fiber. -Clint Ricker On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Anyone know of an affordable 8 port managed switch that has 8 fiber ports? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch
Also, if this is for use for customers, a side benefit is that the the media converter on the CPE end can be used as a good demarc point from which you can do some basic monitoring. This is a fairly common practice for companies doing metro Ethernet offerings. -Clint Ricker On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com wrote: Unless space is a major issue, it is usually much more economical to get a copper managed switch and use media converters to go from copper to fiber. -Clint Ricker On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Anyone know of an affordable 8 port managed switch that has 8 fiber ports? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch
This would probably do what you need http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-WS-C2924M-XL-EN-2924M-X29240-XL-V-DC-Fiber-Switch_W0QQitemZ130328914048QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Hubs?hash=item1e58356880 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch Unless space is a major issue, it is usually much more economical to get a copper managed switch and use media converters to go from copper to fiber. -Clint Ricker On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Anyone know of an affordable 8 port managed switch that has 8 fiber ports? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Enough pairs for data and power? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Cat3 is only 3 pair is it not? On 11/17/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Enough pairs for data and power? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch
This is for our side. We need gigabit fiber for our Bridgewave links since they don't support 1Gbps ethernet. Where customers need fiber due to long runs, we typically use fiber converters. We ended up using Tom's suggestion of the Netgear and found one on E-bay cheap with 7 GBICs included. Funny, when I think back to where we started, a 10Mbps hub and single 802.11b AP was all we needed. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: This would probably do what you need http://cgi.ebay.com/Cisco-WS-C2924M-XL-EN-2924M-X29240-XL-V-DC-Fiber-Switch_W0QQitemZ130328914048QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Hubs?hash=item1e58356880 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 8 Fiber Port Managed Switch Unless space is a major issue, it is usually much more economical to get a copper managed switch and use media converters to go from copper to fiber. -Clint Ricker On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Anyone know of an affordable 8 port managed switch that has 8 fiber ports? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable Any examples? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much effort. No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made. Most phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run. Who knows where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure. If it was the best option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its face. There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in the home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That was in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I never saw them used though. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable Any examples? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Just think about it, Cat5 is 4 pair. You need 2 pair for transmit and receive. 4 conductors total. We sometimes use one of the other pair for PoE and the other pair is lost. Cat5 is twisted pair, so is phone wire. Twisted for the same reasons. The conductors on phone wire are thicker giving more surface area for the electrons to play on, more than the thin Cat5. No reason at all that it can handle 100mbps. Same as with Cat5, you just have to have the right conditions. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Guys, The Category rating has to do with the number of twists per inch. The more twists the more the noise cancels out. Noise screws up Data. Noise usually comes from AC power somewhere. The lower the cat number the more screwed up your Data will be. Period. Robert West wrote: Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can easily do 100mbps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
When I worked for Qwest they were doing a study of using railroad rails as a communication medium as well as pipelines. As long as it will conduct current, you can signal through it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Neal Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
True. With the right conditions, even untwisted will do 100mbps but in a house and running through walls, rarely would the right conditions exist. But if you aren't pushing 100mbps, only maybe 1, 2 or 10 it could work. But you still have the unknown factors, like the splice block in the crawl space that gets drenched every time the washer drains... I've seen way too many bad phone wiring jobs. I'm sure everyone here has had one of those What in the hell? moments. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Guys, The Category rating has to do with the number of twists per inch. The more twists the more the noise cancels out. Noise screws up Data. Noise usually comes from AC power somewhere. The lower the cat number the more screwed up your Data will be. Period. Robert West wrote: Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can easily do 100mbps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
