Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread os10rules
Does this rely on some unpublished feature of the current Atheros chipset which could disappear in the next evolution making the project obsolete and the effort wasted? Is there a URL for the project? Greg On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:56 AM, MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread MDK
No, I have no url for this. I'm trying to find out and see if there's enough people interested to go through that level of work. -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
My calcs show that at 20 miles 30dB antennas and a nice low 20dB radio output will give you a -58 rssi. Should be easy for most any gear out there to run at least 10 megs. I've been REALLY happy with Airaya radios (www.airaya.com). For cheaper stuff I've also had good luck lately with MT

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Mediacomm was having some bad equipment problems in Marshalltown or Des Moines a couple months ago. It was on a hand off to Sprint on some fiber shelf. It bit us twice, each on a Sunday, for most of the day. After the second episode, which apparently happened after scheduled maintenance, I

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
MAKE news. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Piehn
How far away from Illinois are you? - Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Scott, We are a little over 100 miles west of the Quad Cities, close to hwy 30, just east of central Iowa. Your thoughts? Mike At 08:00 AM 12/1/2009, you wrote: How far away from Illinois are you? - Scott Piehn - Original Message - From:

[WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Piehn
Looking for input on which antennas to use Was mentioned briefly on one of the lists that using a 16-120 instead of a 19-120 would give better coverage, We have 7 or so 19-120's deployed and they just seem to be very particular. seems about 60 degree wide, and 2 mile out sweet spot.

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Brad Belton
Timing of this Failure of Critical Infrastructure seems suspect to Charter's bankruptcy. All existing outstanding shares have been cancelled. I wonder if Paul Allen somehow left Qwest holding the bag like he did the rest of his shareholders...just a thought.

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Piehn
We are tapped into fiber about 10 miles from Iowa on Illinois. Traffic runs to Chicago, not across sprint. Last I knew, Iowa had lots of options, but if they don't pan out, the neighbor between us youSQ might have an option was hoping to offer an option, but 100 miles is probably to far

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Rick: You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about RF. It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 nines or

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
I appreciate the gesture. Iowa does have a lot of options; just not in my area which is very rural. Qwest has fiber to the home northwest of me. I am trying to engineer another backhaul from a point there back to my tower. The wheels of progress sometimes turn slowly. Mike At 08:27 AM

[WISPA] Looking for an iDirect Partner

2009-12-01 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Is anyone an iDirect Partner? I may have a lead. Contact me off-list. - Cliff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
My primary competition for the past few years has been Iowa Telecom. They have been purchased by Windstream. I knew what to expect from Iowa Telecom, but don't now. Have any of you had experience with Windstream? Should I be bracing for some real competition? Iowa Telecom decisions, in my

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread Jayson Baker
If this is their install truck, I don't think you have to worry about much. [image: ?ui=2view=attth=1254ad61273873f9attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_1254ad61273873f9zw] LOL On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: My primary competition for the past few years has been Iowa

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
At first I was like huh? but thinking of the now and present, the Rockets are new and the longevity has yet to be tested. I have both UBNT and MT backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect. My UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up and

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
I thought the same thing. UBNT is already trying to work the ACK out of the Airmax, was supposed to be out in the newest firmware but it's still there. So we'll see ACK gone soon already in their airmax line, which is TDMA MIMO. I'm sure someone can put their own twist on it as well for another

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread George Morris
I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all. We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty good, but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the release

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Jayson Baker
George, Glad to see it's not just us. We put in some MT N links when 4 was still beta. It worked awesome. Awesome. Then, somehow, the units have found their way into the upgrade stream, and performance sucks now. After pulling our hair out trying to figure out the problem, we choked it up to

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
Exactly! You had how many people working on your project? What resources did you have available? Then Ubiquiti comes in and trumps it all! With that I'd just do a wait and see for what UBNT comes out with. I'm sure there isn't much they haven't been trying that we couldn't think of ourselves.

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Jayson, redo the link and send it again; I want to see it. At 09:22 AM 12/1/2009, you wrote: If this is their install truck, I don't think you have to worry about much. [image: ?ui=2view=attth=1254ad61273873f9attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_1254ad61273873f9zw] LOL On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:04

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
Which isn't "true" TDMA as the term has conventionally been used. ;) Travis Microserv Randy Cosby wrote: I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that took two of my competitors completely down for 5 hours... yet we were completely unaffected. :) Travis Microserv Matt

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread Blake Bowers
Windstream. AKA Alltell Wireline. Formed when Alltell spun off their wireline operations from their wireless (cellular). These guys ain't stupid. They know that they cannot offer plain old telephone service anymore, and are very aggressive. Over 1 million high speed internet customers. 3.2

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread Bret Clark
I don't have dealings with them, but from a financial point of view, I've heard good things about them which probably means they do have 1/2 clue on how to run operations unlike Fairpoint who we compete with. On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:11 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: Windstream. AKA Alltell

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
This is where it would be nice if WISPs were friendly enough with each other in their area to interconnect their networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01,

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Outages mailing list had one member claim it was resolved at 2:30am. Is this not so? On 12/1/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. Qwest had an outage here about 9 months

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
It was resolved about 1:30am MST. I watched the first pings start passing from my edge router and switched back over within about 10 seconds. Charter didn't call anyone until 5am, so that is the time we are using to figure our credits. I get a $40 credit on next months bill. Whoopideee

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
My neighbor who is also on Charter was able to route through us, and did so during their last outage. He still has a couple of T1s through ATT that are paid through the end of December, so he ended up routing through those during this one. OSPF and properly setup costs/NAT rules is

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
I am really, really having a hard time getting my head around using $90 radios for must work links. Maybe I'm being obstinate, I don't know. Just seems wrong somehow. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Rick Harnish
We do that regularly in the Hoosier State! :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Jack Unger
Well... it's always easier to cooperate if you know who's 'er? Rick Harnish wrote: We do that regularly in the Hoosier State! :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Price != Quality Windows 7 costs $400 while Linux distros are free Ubnt stuff is ~$100 while Engenius is ~$125 PSTN PBX can be $10k while Asterisk/FreePBX is free (plus $1000 hardware) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I have a backup with another WISP as well, but I don't quite have enough to offer much in return. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:27 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). I'm not aware of anyone wanting to go back in time. What used to be true isn't now, and I prefer living in the here and now. BTW, nstreme

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 12:52 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p Yeah...there's no cure for that disease, either. SIGH. You'd

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Oh heck no! I'd NEVER live through it the second time! At 12:52 PM 12/1/2009, you wrote: I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Perhaps he's now just a carrier... ;-) Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 01,

[WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread eje
Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. ---

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
So does page 16 imply that a GPS system could be used? It sounds like these new Atheros chipsets have TDMA hardware on them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread George Morris
I think it's a fairly big project, although a lot of the fine work has been done. I started drooling when reading the paper a few weeks ago. It would be a kicker to have an open-source multi-platform TDMA implementation. UBNT has encouraged open source firmware on their platforms for a long time,

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
I don't think so. Page 17 contrasts the FreeBSD implementation with most implementations on page 16. Mike Hammett wrote: So does page 16 imply that a GPS system could be used? It sounds like these new Atheros chipsets have TDMA hardware on them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess
There are other things to also keep in mind when dealing with DHCP, i.e. is your DHCP being handed out locally. sSo if you have a DSL line is the DSL modem handing this out? if so, then watching that connection is useless, you will have to do some policy based routing and checks to verify that

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Well I have always used the command line for most things I learned to configure hp-ux systems back in the 80's when the command line was the only way. I still configure my linux servers via the command line and laugh at anyone that wants to us a GUI. But MT has made configuring via the GUI so

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
No one that works on HPUX is a wimp... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Well I

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Yes the dsl modem is handing out a dhcp address. I figure I will have to ping way back upstream to check the connection vs just pinging the dhcp modem. I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) That is how static routing works - it picks the lowest distance. If you have two routes identical except

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
just ping the DSL provider's DNS server. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

[WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

2009-12-01 Thread NGL
Has anyone had problems with the new Firmware TR6-5.0.2Rt? If so what and what is the fix? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
That's a good idea - find an IP only responsive on that network. I think DNS servers will respond to pings (but not DNS queries) off network. Test it with dig/ping. I can tell you if it works from my network if you share the IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Josh Luthman wrote: I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) That is how static routing works - it picks the lowest distance. If you have

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
If you can specify source address for ping then do a policy route. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Data Technology

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
It's also likely the gateway doesn't change, just the IP address. Ping the gateway on WAN1 and if it stops responding activate WAN2 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:01 PM

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

2009-12-01 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Can you be more specific? ryan On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:00 PM, NGL n...@ngl.net wrote: Has anyone had problems with the new Firmware TR6-5.0.2Rt? If so what and what is the fix? --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Carullo
I would not concern yourself with this option because you can't buy one if you wanted to right now. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:57 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
This won't work because if the dsl provider is down somewhere within their network the dsl modem will still answer ping requests on the local interface. Jerry Richardson wrote: It's also likely the gateway doesn't change, just the IP address. Ping the gateway on WAN1 and if it stops

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Michael Baird
I've got an extra set, I don't need right now, never deployed will sell for my cost. Regards Michael Baird I would not concern yourself with this option because you can't buy one if you wanted to right now. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

2009-12-01 Thread NGL
I upgraded 50 TR-902 client and 2 AP's now they are erratic, and have to be reboot from the client side. Also I am having problem accessing some clients via the web. The AP have to be rebooted at their location. NGL -- From: D. Ryan Spott

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Carullo
Anyone know of a way to find out what freq a weather radar is operating on? I know of several local ones and would like to know what freq they operate on for safety sake. Any ideas? I've looked everywhere and found nothing? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess
It will work, but there is other work to be done. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
Unless it's a Modem/router it's not the gateway - it's just converting DSL to Ethernet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess
can't do that if the gateway is on the DSL modem 3 foot from the MT. Does you no good. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess
lol. I beat ya to it! hahaha --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website:

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Data Technology
Ok, Thanks. I have enough to get started. Will cross the next problem when I get to it. Well I guess I am going home. I'll play around a little with this tonight. Dennis Burgess wrote: It will work, but there is other work to be done.

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 17:16 -0600, Data Technology wrote: This won't work because if the dsl provider is down somewhere within their network the dsl modem will still answer ping requests on the local interface. I have not read all of this thread. Here is the approach I use and it works

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

2009-12-01 Thread Ryan Spott
Noise? Any stats? I have 30 or so updated and no issues so far. ryan On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:20 PM, NGL n...@ngl.net wrote: I upgraded 50 TR-902 client and 2 AP's now they are erratic, and have to be reboot from the client side. Also I am having problem accessing some clients via the

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

2009-12-01 Thread NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Carullo
LOL, and I have permanent black marks on my office carpet, my home, my truck, my clothes, my harness etc etc... When coax seal gets HOT it doesn't melt but it gets real soft and sticky and will not ever come off anything. Its been such a mess here in FL that I have actually stopped using it.

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Jayson Baker
Why can't you? We've got a bunch of them recently, and have more on the way from distro right now. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I would not concern yourself with this option because you can't buy one if you wanted to right now. Scott Carullo

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I found one in the ULS once. I haven't looked latey. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Never made a mess except on threads like N female connectors. On 12/1/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: LOL, and I have permanent black marks on my office carpet, my home, my truck, my clothes, my harness etc etc... When coax seal gets HOT it doesn't melt but it gets real

[WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Mark McElvy
I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Rick Harnish
What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s.

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-01 Thread Jack Unger
S P E C T R U M A N A L Y Z E R Scott Carullo wrote: Anyone know of a way to find out what freq a weather radar is operating on? I know of several local ones and would like to know what freq they operate on for safety sake. Any ideas? I've looked everywhere and found nothing? Scott

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread 3-dB Networks
4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
I have looked at several 120 patterns and it looks to me like there would be a HUGE gap on the far sides of each antenna? The one pattern I am looking at shows -20db down at 90 degrees on each side. I'm just not sure how well it would actually work? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread 3-dB Networks
Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Mark McElvy
9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread RickG
They are in the next county over. Their reputation here (Central Kentucky) is not very good. Their customers call begging me to come there saying they are down more than up. With that said, if you want a phone line, they have a fair deal. But, as you know, most people have cut the cord. -RickG

Re: [WISPA] Iowa Telecom a.k.a Windstream

2009-12-01 Thread RickG
I hate it too! On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: If this is their install truck, I don't think you have to worry about much. [image: ?ui=2view=attth=1254ad61273873f9attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_1254ad61273873f9zw] LOL On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread 3-dB Networks
What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks

[WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Mark McElvy
I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread RickG
THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. Another question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not feeling that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I see in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair

Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

2009-12-01 Thread RickG
Use a double-layer of high grade electrical tape with the coax seal in between. -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Never made a mess except on threads like N female connectors. On 12/1/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: LOL,

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Webster
$75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
HA! Someone had to say it. I know we were all thinking it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:11 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
Depending on the cost of whatever sector you are looking at, I think the extra cash for the third antenna and radio would offset the amount of aggravation. Take it from someone who is cheap, just spend the extra cash. Been there, done that, have less hair over it. (That's why I wear a hat)

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-01 Thread Brad Belton
A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-01 Thread Robert West
Ouija board. Just document your findings in case the FCC gives you any guff. You need to be able to back yourself up. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: WISPA

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