Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Rick Harnish
Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-02 Thread Scott Reed
You can setup rules and use different routing tables. Create a table for internal to the MT to use the specific DSL interface for the destination of your test traffic. Then, no matter what the other states are, you will test correctly. Data Technology wrote: Yes the dsl modem is handing out a

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Jason Hensley
On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Most of my AP's are Mikrotik 433ah boards with multiple radios but I just put one up with 3 separate 411 cards bridging into a 600a routerboard. Got the idea from another member here. Works fine but I don't have much load on it yet although it should handle quite a bit. -Original

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Maybe Cameron w/Wispmon will chime in and do a better job of explaining what the service offers and how it works better than me. My point in bringing Wispmon up was in response to paying $75 for a single path profile when Wispmon provides the same (probably better) information as often as you

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
And in August of 2003, a tree limb in Ohio caused the biggest blackout in US history. If the operators of 100+ year technology (the Power Grid) are incapable of routing around major outages, I suspect the same lack of thinking and planning is at fault in this issue as well. It's

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
But that's the same complaints a lot of people have when comparing the legacy UBNT and MT. UBNT is basically plug and play while MT is virtually limitless on your configuration options. I can train even my wife to install a backhaul and could do it within an hour but the complexity of Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread os10rules
Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is

[WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Mark McElvy
Well I just upgraded the RB from a 433 to a 433AH because I was seeing processor hitting 60-80% during peak times. I am actually just planning ahead because I keep hearing 30 as a magic number per AP. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Jason Hensley
I think I'm hitting 802 limit. CPU on the board isn't getting tasked that hard. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Jason Hensley
Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Well that depends on who you talk to. It's like overselling bandwidth, everyone has their own limit. I've seen AP's with almost 100 on them but there were a lot of low use customers. Check your graphs on the MT and see what the long term history is for that AP. Going to the AH boards

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Mike
Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall.

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-12-02 Thread Kevin Neal
But I also have a few scripts that will make all of the changes I need, sans the SSID, Frequency, IP address. There is still a little bit of a learning curve, but for the basic setups you don't have to teach them more than the variables. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Actually no. I got a tip from Ej to put a rectangle of foil in a sleeve, he said like a card protector but I use aluminum foil with contact paper (not really paper, vinyl) and place it between each card. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Sectors

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

[WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike
Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been afraid to put cards in the same band in the

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Ryan Spott
I used to run monitors this big but my neck began to hurt way too much.. Like watching tennis all day. ryan On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I have a somewhat large NEMA box (1'x2.5'x3') with 4x RB411AHs with an XR5 in each. At the bottom of the tower, I have a box with an RB493 and all the PoE business. Each RB411 is mounted with self adhesive plastic to some sheet metal. I don't have any experience with self-interference inside

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread MDK
The most I have done so far, is to put 7 cards in one box. I don't use shielding between them or anything, and have no known issues, except if I forget and use the diversity mode in the card, instead of locking to the port I'm using. I'm about to upgrade one site to 10 cards in one steel

[WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Gino Villarini
Brad, Are you actively using wispmon? Feedback? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:53 PM

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
ONLY 2 30? Okay, dude. I'm feeling sorry for you a little but surly you can pony up some of that moldy money and get a couple of Jumbo-Trons and the supporting semi-trailer. Get with the times. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I got the tip from Eje over at Wisp Router. I haven't grounded the separator, actually never thought about it. I take a slice of aluminum foil, put the contact vinyl on both sides and slide it between the cards. I never had any issues at all but I never ran without it like that either. When I

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I was thinking of calling my pal, Woz, and see if he wants to let loose of that Diamond Vision screen he has gathering dust in his garage. He hasn't needed it since 1983.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
I'll tell you whatthis is really getting off topic, but I've been to Jerry's World (the new Texas Stadium) a couple times now and that 60 YARD LONG HD Jumbo-Tron is absolutely amazing! The image quality is truly is no different than looking at the HD TV you have at home or office. I have

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Ha! Looks good. Those appear to be the same Vizio LCD TVs my brother Bill and I have on our office walls. Mine typically stays on the FoxHD Business Channel, but I did run a VGA cable to it in the event I want to plug a laptop in etc. Best, Brad -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike
I am very new to MT, but have been using some and learning. I'll have to see what the 411 is. I have 433s, a 450 and one of the 100s, but no 411s. What is self adhesive plastic? Do you mean that foam double sided tape? Does it hold in the cold? I may have to rethink what I thought I knew.

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Dennis Burgess
Keep in mind that using plastic standoffs do not properly ground the boards/radios. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike
Is your logic to save tower space? Do you still run multiple cat5? What sort of box/where do you get them? I love the innovation I've gleaned from this list. Makes me feel small sometimes. Mike At 10:45 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: The most I have done so far, is to put 7 cards in one box.

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
But, the noise is there. Just put one of the cards in station mode and run a survey. It really hit me one time when I put up a new link and the signal was very low (-88). I went back up the tower on the AP side and found that th epigtail had fallen off! We were connecting to a radio card inside an

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Very nice! Back in my Qwest days, the NOC used projectors to display network status on the upper part of the curved walls. It was pretty dark in there obviously so it was very quiet as well. Was a nice place to chill out and hide. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Yes and no. We have a few sites added and are evaluating it. It really is impressive and again the reason I brought it up was because the profiling tool is a valuable asset. It's fast and so far seems to be as or more accurate than RadioMobile. There is a lot Wispmon does that we're not

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread AJ
Completely off topic - but during the holiday season, we replace the regular white lighting in the dispatch center with red rope lighting - a bit easier on the eyes... For our larger mapping projects (back on topic), I'll either use the two LCDs on the wall or a projector... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
As they say, you get what you pay for. For normal stuff, especially close range, you can use a variety of software packages. But for a high dollar tower, you want someone with the expertise and the software to give you reliable results. -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I have plastic NEMA boxes so I run a ground wire from one of the mounting holes to my box ground. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Think of it as a cost saving. One less antenna to buy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Yeah, I'd have to get quite a few more customers to pay for such a thing. I can certainly see the value in it but value versus food.. Uh I gotta eat. Someday, though. Someday.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
LOL, and less chance for a lightning hit! On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Think of it as a cost saving. One less antenna to buy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
Same here. I normally use Delorme but in this case, the cost is justified. Besides, I'm passing the cost on to the customer :) On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah, I'd have to get quite a few more customers to pay for such a thing. I can

[WISPA] Take Rate” Calculations for US Broa dband -- 72.9% of Homes Passed Subscribe - Ho w does your network compare?

2009-12-02 Thread Brian Webster
To All; The final version of the Broadband Take Rate Brief ( http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Take%20Rate%20Brief.pdf) was released this week. The report describes broadband adoption rates on a state by state basis calculated against only the households that have access to broadband, not

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I'll stick with the tried and true method for absolute sure signal path calculations, the Ouija board. I gave up the divining rod idea, it was off about 8% of the time. Couldn't handle the aggravation. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Something like this: http://www.microcom.us/apcs8.html I've never had a problem with them from any standpoint (cold, heat, grounding, etc.). I've been using these things for years. I'm going to guess 3 or 4, but I'm not sure. I still have a cable running up the tower for every RB I have,

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Michael Baird
Been using this one for quick lookups, requires an account to be established though. http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Regards Michael Baird Yeah, I'd have to get quite a few more customers to pay for such a thing. I can certainly see the value in it but value versus food..

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I can credit 75% of what I know in this space to the lists, I'd say 12.5% to conferences, and 12.5% to vendors, web sites, etc. Therefore, if you (the list) think I'm dumb, it's your fault! :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Thanks, Mike. I'll give that one a spin. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Been using this one for

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Gino Villarini
Cameron who? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMapping Programs...

2009-12-02 Thread Brad Belton
Sorry, I cc'd Cameron on that last post and thought you'd see his email address. Guess it didn't show up! cc...@dot11net.com Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
Hey, ya know I used that thing a few times a year or so ago but forgot all about it. Thanks for pointing me back to it! Any tips on using it for non-lingo equipment? Are the custom calculations fairly close to your true results? Any significant fudge factor on it? Thanks! -Original

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread 3-dB Networks
One thing I have noticed... it does not take into account multipath, or really anything else dealing with the terrain. The calculator is really a glorified free space loss calculator with a slick interface and the terrain profile. It seems to function well... but you have to take into account

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Hardy
It actually does take into account terrain data... Let us know if you have any other questions or suggestions for improvement. -Matt On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:29 -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote: One thing I have noticed... it does not take into account multipath, or really anything else dealing with

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Nathan Stooke
Hello, LOL, I think the disclaimer as the bottom of the page cover this! DISCLAIMER: These results are provided with no guarantee or warranty. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] DSL or cable company connectivity

2009-12-02 Thread Ryan Spott
Use an ISP that allows for reselling, then it is not an issue. Megapath comes to mind. ryan On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: We were having a private conversation off-list and something came up. I know some of you use DSL or cable company connectivity as backup

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread ccrum
As to WispmonWe've actually restructured the pricing plan since MUM with all the great feedback we got there. We also have a Wispmon Sales Edition out which is pretty low cost considering what it does. I'm not sure you'll find another piece of software that will run three simultaneous

Re: [WISPA] DSL or cable company connectivity

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I was totally upfront and honest with Time Warner. We have a business account and we use the broadband to operate our business. I had our TW salesperson ( I insisted ) that they talk to his higher up people to get the okay and got it in writing that we are an ISP and that falls within using the

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Hardy
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:35 -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote: I must have missed the day Ligowave announced 11GHz can go through mountains :-) LOL... most 11GHz can't, only LigoWave. ;) We'll look into this and see what's going on with this link. Your calculator gives no indication of diffraction

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-02 Thread 3-dB Networks
Your calculator gives no indication of diffraction and multipath... which is often larger issues with licensed gear than rain fading. Currently there is just one Path Loss value which takes into account multipath and diffraction. Would you like to see it displayed separately? Matt, The PDF

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Farrar
Mike, Have you got any pictures of that ? It would be worth seeing for sure Cheers, Robert Mike Hammett wrote: I have a somewhat large NEMA box (1'x2.5'x3') with 4x RB411AHs with an XR5 in each. At the bottom of the tower, I have a box with an RB493 and all the PoE business. Each

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike
OK, so I am a long time computer/radio geek, but have never done facebook. I created a facebook. Is that the proper term? Then, all hell broke lose!!! Holy moly I have more friends than I thought I had. Stuff started popping up, it told me Eudora is bad and it can't import my address book,

Re: [WISPA] DSL or cable company connectivity

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
Switch to fiber and you get much better equipment. -RickG On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was totally upfront and honest with Time Warner. We have a business account and we use the broadband to operate our business. I had our TW salesperson ( I

Re: [WISPA] Awnser to how Airspan got the upper 3.65 ghz band unlocked!

2009-12-02 Thread Matt
PDF of the contention based protocol GPS sync would have been so much better if everyone could agree on standardized time slices. This will have an impact on VOIP and gaming the way I read it. Matt WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] Take Rate” Calculations for US Broa dband -- 72.9% of Homes Passed Subscribe - Ho w does your network compare?

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
Answers below: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: To All; The final version of the Broadband Take Rate Brief ( http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Take%20Rate%20Brief.pdf) was released this week. The report describes broadband adoption rates on a

Re: [WISPA] Awnser to how Airspan got the upper 3.65 ghz bandunlocked!

2009-12-02 Thread MDK
They described CSMA in different language.By every reasonable comparison, the 802.11a protocol addresses every concern the FCC has, but would not certify... -- From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA

[WISPA] Facebook Nightmare

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
I tried facebook, gave it up. Too much social in those social networking sites. I decided to join up with InYourFacebook.com instead, the new Anti-Social networking site. I signed up, found a few of my old enemies, added them to my list and after only a couple of weeks I now have over 15 new

Re: [WISPA] DSL or cable company connectivity

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
No, I'm saying I use the SMC as the fallback access. One gateway sitting in a bean field and a second at my house. If the main access gets zapped I can redirect the traffic to the 2 cheapo connections. I just hate those SMC modems. They get hot, not good for one sitting inside an enclosed NEMA

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all radios in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep them at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for MappingPrograms...

2009-12-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've moved to Samsung monitors. And the home TV is Samsung too. I LOVE these units. Much much better on the eyes than anything I've ever used short of a good quality CRT. marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Jayson Baker
I have to laugh at one of our competitors who uses PLASTIC enclosures next to their antennas on the tower. Even on the most RF-jam packed sites. One site in particular you can almost get a fluorescent light to glow just holding it in your hands. And there they are with their plastic enclosures.

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMappingPrograms...

2009-12-02 Thread eje
On top of it the samsung units play nice together. Got samsung led TV, samsung blueray and a samsung soundbar. And wireless subwoffer. Turn on the TV and sound and tv comes on, select blueray source and blue ray comes on. Don't matter if you use the blue ray remote opr the tv remote. Ahh the

[WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over-private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.

Re: [WISPA] DSL or cable company connectivity

2009-12-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I make sure they know what I'm doing. We don't lie to people. We also buy the top of the line business grade account from them. We get better speeds and they can't bitch about how many people we put on the connection. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Facebook Nightmare

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
If you want some real enemies, just take down their internet access for a day or so :) Even better, I used to be a GM at a cable company. Try having an outage during prime time - they'll hunt you down with pitchforks sling blades! -RickG On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-02 Thread RickG
I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over-private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use steel if not? I use these: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread MDK
Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Can you tell me where you get your steel boxes? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread MDK
If I could find some at anything like a reasonable cost, I'd have that answer :) -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:44 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMappingPrograms...

2009-12-02 Thread Jayson Baker
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-02 Thread Jayson Baker
Interesting. I don't doubt it, but have to think about that for a bit to wrap my head around it. Anyway... we use the PacWireless DCE enclosures for 90% of things (we use 411-form-factor boards in almost everything). We bought like 100 of them, and still have a few around for this or that. If