Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread os10rules
I had not heard that different metals are more or less effective at RF shielding at higher frequencies. I had heard of Mu metal that's used in audio recording studios to specifically block 60Hz hum. I tried to find info about what attenuation different materials offer and all I could find was

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
This is only to the NTIA. The government agency that's handling a lot of the stimulus grants. How else will they be sure that an area doesn't already have coverage? This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. It would have been better if the NTIA had asked the FCC

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadbandstimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread St. Louis Broadband
This is, in my not so humble opinion, a reasonable use for the data. LOL, you sir are the reason that we referred/used this data for our pending grant application :-) I appreciate your 'forward' thinking. And BTW just for the record; the grant application was not as easy as writing something

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Robert West
Plastic next to the antennas??? CRAZY! So the radios pretty much talk to themselves a lot, huh. Hearing voices in their heads. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus. This is, in my not so humble opinion, a

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Robert West
Is thickness of the steel an issue or just the physical elements of it? Could one, in a critical install, use an aluminum box but line the inside with thin steel??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent:

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aidbroadbandstimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread St. Louis Broadband
LOL Yeah. But look at what great apps they have! Might as well have put them on a Mc Donald's napkin for all the good they are. True. Hopefully in the next few weeks we will see the fodder fall to the way side :-) I know there are some 'truly' worthy projects. V -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread os10rules
I know some special purpose plastic enclosures made for RF work have conductive/shielding qualities to them. There's even conductive/shielding paint one can buy for RF projects. So those plastic boxes might not be as bad as you think. Greg On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Jayson Baker
Yeah, they're bad. Trust me. When we very first started using MT that was all that was available. They're total garbage. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I know some special purpose plastic enclosures made for RF work have conductive/shielding qualities to them.

[WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Randy Cosby
Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up there and boot up. I

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Kevin Neal
Hrm...disturbed the cable run(s) on the way up? Orwireless card in your laptop. -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Here's a fun one I had the other day. I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank.  I am making some

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
What did you do to fix it? Looks to me like your laptop or the switch caused the problem. Wireless card in the laptop doesn't transmit unless it's acting as an AP, which it uniquely done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I say something with your switch when you plugged your laptop into the network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent:

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kurt

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Randy Cosby
One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: IP address conflict couldn't take both MTs down unless it way the gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
But what did you do to fix it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Philip Dorr
The watter tank was empty and you where on overlapping frequencies. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Were you in front of the backhauls? -Kevin On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more clue.  The problem was RF

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you were working on top of the tank? Randy Cosby wrote: One more clue. The problem was RF related (links dropping) but was not due to the laptop wifi. Randy Josh

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
OR... the laptop was radiating strong spurious RF energy and that spurious energy was interfering with the receiving ability of your backhauls. Jack Unger wrote: You removed your climbing harness from where you had draped it over the backhaul antennas to keep it out of your way while you

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Travis Johnson
You left your p2p client running on your laptop from the night before, and it started downloading 100GB's of illegal music, taking down the backhauls. :) Travis Microserv Philip Dorr wrote: The watter tank was empty and you where on overlapping frequencies. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:31

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Removed harness?! WHAT?! Such an idea gives me a headache. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jack Unger

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Randy Cosby
After looking at a lot of the stuff you guys guessed, I next suspected my cell phone. Shut it off, no changes. Then out of desparation I unplugged the laptop and shut if off. After about 45 seconds, things cleaned up. Culprit: *http://tinyurl.com/yapstzd *I have a feeling this replacement

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-03 Thread Randy Cosby
Ding ding ding... We have a winner... Close enough! Randy Jack Unger wrote: OR... the laptop was radiating strong spurious RF energy and that spurious energy was interfering with the receiving ability of your backhauls. Jack Unger wrote: You removed your climbing harness from where you

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Mike
Not sure I buy that. Platinum is the best conductor, then gold, then silver. Copper and aluminum are up there too, and way better than steel. I have an old 50s vintage radio receiver that came out of a submarine. You can place a plastic cased laptop computer right on top of it and there is

Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-12-03 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
There are private weather radar systems that live around 5600 MHz as well. You can find them with ULS. Avoid the licensed frequencies in use by these systems within a few hundred NM. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
What are these? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: We use these for anything larger

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread ccrum
The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a particularly cold day

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Gary Garrett
Then why do they call it Tin Foil if is really aluminum? Maybe you need a ground wire to a copper plate on the bottom of your shoes. Robert West wrote: So my aluminum foil hat is just bogus Man, I was wondering. Now I need to find some steel foil

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/12/3 ccrum cc...@dot11net.com: The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Robert West
Looks like you found out that ice can make the perfect sealant. Kept all that water inside! Good find. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Robert West
The vernacular is carried over from days of yore when aluminum was as expensive as gold and one would be crazy to wrap things in aluminum. Maybe we've all been mislead into thinking these aluminum foil hats would protect us from the government mind control experiments, however. -Original

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread RickG
What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread Chuck Profito
This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread RickG
And lead is for protect against cyptonite :) On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). -- From:

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of wireless otherwise 100 people would need to jump in right about here and start explaining their political positions :-[ Chuck Profito wrote: This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-03 Thread Robert West
I'm not sure now. We have probably been misled about that as well. It's getting to be where a conspiracy theorist just can't trust anyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:03

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread RickG
The topic says FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. not wireless :) Call it political or whatever, the comments are on topic. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of

Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.

2009-12-03 Thread Brad Belton
I agree with Rick, Chuck and Travis thus far. Nothing is free and unfortunately the cancer our government has spawned is spreading into our industry right along with autos, banks, health care, etc, etc. That is clearly why this is on topic. Government doesn't create anything much less create